Hanoi Jane turns ‘Peace Activist’ Again

Fonda role again draws heat

Deja Vue:


Risk in joining antiwar rally cited
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff  |  January 27, 2007
WASHINGTON — Actress and long time peace activist Jane Fonda, a favorite target of right-wing attacks since the 1970s for her high-profile opposition to the Vietnam War, will rejoin the ranks of the antiwar movement today at a major rally in Washington .

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The return to the spotlight for the Hollywood star derisively known as “Hanoi Jane” for going to North Vietnam at the height of the war, was seen by some activists and chroniclers of the antiwar movement as politically risky. They said her presence could be distracting in a rally that organizers hope can capitalize on congressional opposition to President Bush’s plan to send more troops to Iraq.
“I wonder if the appearance of someone like Jane Fonda is going to pull attention away from other messages,” said Rhys Williams, a University of Cincinnati sociologist who has chronicled American anti war movements. “If I were an organizer, I would worry how much her presence is going to be dominating the news cycle.”
Though it’s been decades since she posed atop a North Vietnamese anti aircraft gun, many Vietnam veterans are still angry . Fonda later apologized — but didn’t say she was sorry for fervently opposing the Vietnam War.

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22 thoughts on “Hanoi Jane turns ‘Peace Activist’ Again”

  1. I saw this on tv. The only thing she was right about was that the US is insensitive (or ignorant) of the cultures of the nations they have had conflicts with.

    I take this to mean that the US govt. hasn’t got a clue about islam. This is absolutely correct. But it seems Hanoi Jane – and I was around then – doesn’t have a clue about islam either. If she really did she may review her opinion.
    Also the VietNam war bears no comparison to the war on terror, a point she conveniently overlooks.

    These celebs should start studying their topics before they make public idiots of themselves. Actually many have succeeded in making public idiots of themselves.

    What a contrast this behaviour is to the wartime effort of Hollywood during WW2!
    Where is some of that good old-fashioned patriotism?

  2. Clueless from Amanpour to Bush and from Hanoi Jane to David Letterman. The nutroots seem to believe that Bush is the enemy who causes all the problems. There is something very seriously wrong with our society…

  3. to Gramfan:
    the difference with WW2 is that the entire population supported the war effort because it was a legal war. The allies were fighting to stop an aggressive Hitler. In the case of Iraq the US is the aggressor and illegally invaded a sovereign nation. Don’t forget that Canada, NZ, Germany, France, Russia and China opposed the Iraq war. It’s still defies belief that Bush still went into Iraq with the majority of the world’s superpowers opposing it. History proves that the aggressor never wins. And because Iraq just happens to be in Islamic country all the muslims of the world conclude that it is a Christian versus Muslims war when this is simply not the case. If Bush was serious about fight the WoT he would have gone into Saudi Arabia where the 9/11 suicide bombers came from. The global jihad is financed entirely by Saudi money. Even Abu Bucktooth Bashir gets his money from S Arabia. Iraq was the most liberal of all the Arab nations. Even alcolhol was allowed to be drunk in public places and the 500 000 christians who lived under Saddam Hussein’s rule enjoyed a relatively peaceful existence. The way it’s going though, expect to see the Shiite Islamic Republic of Iraq with a Taliban style government in the not too distant future.

  4. Agree with some of that Atheist.

    However I do believe the muslim world is against us in order to establish their caliphate. They don’t seem to need any excuses although they frequently quote Iraq and the “palestinian” situation as grounds for the WoT. I sometimes wonder how the average guy in the arab street knows the whole geo-political status of the world when most can’t read. Of course they get all their “facts” from their imams.

    I don’t know why they left saddam there after the first gulf war – how stupid was that?

    I am a bit concerned that people use the term “legal” or “illegal” war.
    I would have thought this adjective inappropriate for any wars.

    I am also concerned that we have “home-grown terrorists” all over the place. Educated, middle-class people who seem intent on ruining their host countries. This is very disturbing. A fifth column with the left as an ally.

    I don’t have all the answers. I doubt anyone does.

    To me the bottom line is preserving Western culture and that is where I feel some people lack patriotism.

  5. 1. I wish Saddam Hussein was still there. Look at the alternative !!! A shiite lead government backed by Iran. As bad a SH was a country like Iraq need strong leadership to keep the shiites in their place.
    2. There has never been a good war or a bad peace.
    3. Can’t say I’ve met any educated middle class people lately intent on ruining Australia. If you’re talking about Sheik Hilaly et al I don’t consider them educated or middle class. As I said before religious leaders are supposed to say and do stupid things. The average guy in the street is more concerned about getting the mortgage paid.

  6. There is no doubt that saddam obviously knew how to control his citizens. And was also good at killing them in very creative ways, and paying the families of suicide bombers considerable amounts of cash. The saudi’s do/did the same.

    “Can’t say I’ve met any educated middle class people lately intent on ruining Australia.”

    I wasn’t referring just to Australia, if you re-read my post it is quite clear. I am talking about the west in general.

    Who knows what cells we have here? I doubt even the federal police have the handle on this.

    I don’t think you fully appreciate the wider vision on this issue.

    It is worth bearing in mind that we are all considered infidels and fair game. That would also include atheists,,,whatever.

    I don’t have a problem with religion/non-religion in general – ( too long – too boring to go into here). Up to the individual in a free society. But clearly muslims do. They don’t even tolerate each other much less anyone else.

  7. Gramfan: thanks for the reply. I know you werent referring to Australia but I was, and until I meet one of these “educated middle class people intent on ruining our society” I’ll have to accept that they just don’t exist. Just like God doesn’t exist, or that Jesus was a fraud ,as was Mohammed.
    The only thing you need to worry about is what country the US is going to illegally invade next. Could it be Iran ? Syria ? or maybe Cuba? or even North Korea ? maybe Venezuela ? who knows…..

  8. “educated middle class people intent on ruining our society”

    Atheist: I am referring to muslims here. I don’t know any middle class people intent on ruining our society other than some deluded lefties.

    Until the day we get Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and yes,,atheist suicide bombers intent on killing civilians and destroying our society, then I will start to worry and change my thinking.

    You are really not stretching your brain to comprehend what I and Sheik are saying, or then again,,you might be but refuse to see the truth.
    I am guessing you are an Aussie: didn’t today’s news give you some more insight?

    I am not a Christian, but can you tell me why Jesus is a fraud? I thought he was a Jewish rabbi trying to get his people back to some worthwhile philosophies. While I think a lot of legend has been built around Him to suit the early church I do not feel he wasn’t a fraud. He had good principals.
    Mohammed had nothing like this.

  9. well I suupose jesus could be credited with inventing socialism…..
    you know, all that stuff about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and he did say the chance of a wealthy person getting into heaven is the same chance as a camel fitting through the eye of a needle so I will give credit where credit is due …. BUT ….i still believe he was a fraud claiming to be the king of the jews….. not to mention the virgin birth and all the bullshit miracles that he supposedly performed.. Give me a break !!! When the jews start believing in him i may change my mind . Re your other point does the Oklahoma City Hall bombing count ? or the IRA ? or the Tamil Tigers ? or ETA ? or Babbar Khalsa ( Sikh terrorist group ) ? etc etc

  10. Atheist:

    The IRA, the Tamil Tigers, ETA and the Sikh terrorist groups are all fighting some insignificant regional conflicts which have (almost) no impact on the history of the world or our future.

    None of them seek world-domination, have a record of persistently trying to conquer the world for 1350 years, none of these groups is presently fighting 30+ jihad wars world-wide in order to make the world Islamic.

    Please start making some effort to educate yourself!

  11. “2. There has never been a good war or a bad peace.”

    What a simplistic, infantile declaration. The reason you enjoy peace in our time is because somebody before you thought it a good idea to stand up to oppressors and fight to prevent them from taking over the world. The cause of WWII may not have been good but the reaction to it was and the people who fought it in the name of God or in the name of freedom did a very good thing.

    Just like Islam, the Third Reich had a plan for “peace” which included subjugating the opposition and ruthlessly retaliating against any dissension. Islamists use Sharia law to enforce the peace, but it ain’t very peaceful for the people who live under it. Therefore, there very well could be a bad peace and it in fact, does exist today.

  12. Atheist:
    Firstly Sheik has answered your question re other terrorists so I won’t bother.

    “well I suupose jesus could be credited with inventing socialism…..
    you know, all that stuff about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and he did say the chance of a wealthy person getting into heaven is the same chance as a camel fitting through the eye of a needle so I will give credit where credit is due …. BUT ….i still believe he was a fraud claiming to be the king of the jews….. not to mention the virgin birth and all the bullshit miracles that he supposedly performed.. Give me a break !!! When the jews start believing in him i may change my mind .”

    “Socialism” as you mention above can also be called “humanity” here. What is wrong with caring for your fellow man?

    “King of the Jews”: He was descended from a line of kings – Hashomite, if my memory serves me. Also, this label was applied to him by many others. Someone may correct me if I am wrong but I am not so sure He that described himself this way.

    “Virgin Birth”: he didn’t make this claim either. It was an invention of the early church and no doubt borrowed from the Mithras legend.(google it)

    “Miracles” who knows? It depends what you consider a miracle.

    And FYI there are Messianic Jews who believe in him.

    I still don’t see how he was a fraud. He believed what He preached, and what He preached was ways to improve the human condition.

  13. to Gramfan:
    if you can find proof that Jesus actually was the son of god and rose 3 days after his death I would consider that a miracle….
    “What is wrong with caring for your fellow man ?” absolutely nothing. That’s what social justice is all about. Am I assuming you’ll be voting Labor in the next election ?

  14. That is all a matter of faith for the believers.

    I thought we were all children of God – doesn’t the Bible say this?
    As for rising from the dead: faith, or if you believe in the afterlife.

    No one can prove any of the above as well you know. I am complimented that you think I can out-think 2000 years of theological scholarship!

    I don’t know how old you are Atheist: when Keating was in power and mortgage rates were 17%+, and I almost lost my house, and I saw countless small businesses go broke because of this “feral abacus”. Unemployment was rampant also. I remember it too well.

    Labor’s record in financial matters is pretty bad.

    I will vote for whoever looks after this country the best – you figure it out, even though you will probably get it wrong.
    Never assume too much. You make an ass out of you and me:
    Ass-u-me!

  15. i was being sarcastic. I know that people of your ilk generally vote One Nation, Family First or Liberal. Compassionate , educated people tend to vote left and i call tell you are neither. And being such an expert on economics you may wish to explain why NZ and the UK are enjoing their lowest interest rates in living memory – both with very left wing governments . Can’t wait for the explanation…

  16. I never said I was an economic expert – those are your words.

    I was merely stating an economic reality under the Keating govt and the same happened in the Cain-Kirner years in Victoria. Kennet had to clean up the mess and now Bracks is reaping the financial benefit of the Kennet years. And has more land tax, gambling revenue than ever before.

    “I know that people of your ilk ..” Oh really?? I doubt you can “profile me”.
    Your conclusions are as ridiculous as they are insulting and I don’t owe you any explanation re my personal details. I will only say you are quite wrong in your attempt to pigeon hole me.

    You think Tony Blair is very left wing? I disagree.

    We have very low interest rates with a liberal government.

    Perhaps the UK and NZ labor govts. didn’t have a huge financial mess to clean up after the previous government?

  17. well Labor in the UK have had 9 years to stuff up the economy and increase interest rates but they haven’t and Helen Clarke has had 8 years in NZ and to date their economy appears to be booming …..Yes that’s right , John Howard has had nothing to do with our economy doing so well. We are riding on resources and mineral boom. Just look at the socialist governemnts of WA and QLD !!! WA in particular is booming thanks to the Chinese buying rescources and minerals. I will also remind you that it was Keating/Hawke that floated our dollar in the 80’s and deregulated banking, airline and other industries. These alone are what has helped Australia become what it is today. But enough of the economy – it’s boring. I am interested in how Australia is viewed in the world today and making it the compassionate country it used to be.

  18. Thanks for the monetary lecture.

    “I am interested in how Australia is viewed in the world today and making it the compassionate country it used to be. ”

    I couldn’t give a shit about how Australia is viewed in the world today.
    Who says “the world” knows what is best for us?? Like the UN??? We have our own destiny and dreams that should not be determined by world opinion because “world opinion” does not have our interests at heart.

    I want this country to be great and stay great. It is a paradise, and I for one am not going to sit here and let it get taken over by a bunch of islamic thugs.
    And yes,,,it is a compassionate county still, maybe too much so.

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