Comments on: STOP THE MOSQUE IN CAIRNS!

By: BJ

BJ — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:47:59 +0000

Here’s the news item!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_bMRCkL-g

leave a note on how disgusted you are by this disrespectful act
and send it to your friends. These people need our support this is insane.

cheers.

By: Ed

Ed — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:32:42 +0000

BEST POST OF THE DAY:

Having lived and worked in the middle east for 10 years I can confidently warn my fellow Australians against allowing any growth of islam in Australia.

Individual muslims are good,bad and indifferent like every other group…but Institutional Islam is entirely unsuited for Australians.
Emotional multiculturalists should not blindly rush out to defend institutional islam like they are defending pacifist Quakers. I highly recommend that such
emotional multiculturalists actually visit Arabia for a four week holiday. See the real islam at work. You won’t think the same way after seeing it for 4 weeks.

The cry of ‘racism’ is stupid. Islam is not a race. There are black and white muslims…how can blacks and whites belong to the same race? Is it asking too much for me to ask for some thinking here? Less emotion.

The silly catholic girl who remarked about the New Testament and the koran being similar is dead wrong. These writings are diametrically opposite in their intentions and values. The idea that Jesus and Mohammad are the same person is psychotic. I suggest that you contact a local catholic bishop who will explain it all to you…slowly.

Finally, multiculturalism does not mean that we have to let everyone who has an agenda to come and have a free go in Australia. Those of us who are already here have a right to expect that our way of doing things is not just chucked out the door by any new set of blow ins.

Those who yell in favour of islam should ask themselves why so many muslims are fleeing from muslim countries to Christian places like Australia? Is something going wrong in muslim countries? Could islam be making it go wrong? Give THAT idea some thought before you start yelling.

By: matt

matt — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:12:06 +0000

To all AUSTRALIAN MEN: don’t mind these naive comments from women here. They don’t know what they’re talking about. They have no sense of self protection and protection of our freedoms. They defend an ideology that is absolutely ridiculously oppressive to others and especially WOMEN. Has nothing to do with racism little Madina grow up.

So to all beautiful (non naieve) women, we love you and thank you for caring about FREE australian people of all races, instead of defending an ideology that is antagonistic to our society.

I would say get a peacefull demo going with 200+ cairns citizens, not to prevent it, but only to show that nobody wants it here and they are doing it against the will of the community.

Great post mike davis!

By: madina

madina — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:17:16 +0000

to all the racists on this page: suck din. you losers will have to put up with muslims your whole lives. so its uselss that you’ve come here to complain because you cant get rid of them. i think its great that there are so many muslims in the world. soon we will out number the lot of you. praise be to allah, lord of the worlds

By: Drew

Drew — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:51:19 +0000

Islam is truly a dangerous religion…it is not a “bogan” opinion…I have a family friend who converted to Islam, this woman told her husband that unless he converted 2 she would leave him. He refused to convert and thats what she did….now if he wants to see her, she has to escourted by and Islamic Chaperone, and becuase the huband didnt convert the Islamic communtiy doent believe that they are even married. Islam is cult-like!

and by the way “Catholic girl” if you think that “Jesus is the same person as Mohammed” then ur not actully a real catholic yourself. Jesus is the Christ, and regurdless if you believe him to be the lord or not nce cannont deny that (even though Chrisinas arnt perfect) the Holy Bible and Jesus words are about love and tolerance and forgivness.
Mohammed was a misogynist, woman-hating, mad-man from mecca and the Koran is a hate-crimes manifesto against Humanity

By: Infidela

Infidela — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:59:51 +0000

Rowan, Peta, and Sarah et all : what are you doing on this website if you think that we are all racists?

By: Infidela

Infidela — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:54:26 +0000

Sheik, get some bacon and sprinkle it over the site. Pour some alcohol over the site as well, and put a teddy bear with the name Mohammad on it, and put it there as well.

By: Scott

Scott — Wed, 23 May 2007 09:29:44 +0000

Pigs blood.

Tip pigs blood on the site of the building.

Should have the desired effect.

By: Attila

Attila — Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:20:44 +0000

We, the tolerant, open minded people have to always make an effort towards harmonious, peaceful existence with all the ethnic and religious minorities in a society, where Muslims, – like it or not – will live with us in smaller or larger number, depending on theirs settlement preferences. With such a simple fact we really don’t have any other choice but to strive in to a perfect sort of co-existent’s, where ignorance and bigotry have no room to operate.
To achieve this won’t be easy because of the enormous cultural differences which deeply penetrates our mentality, or philosophy – if you like – won’t let us to do so, because the non-Muslim people resent lots of Muslim practice and the Muslims are perfectly convinced that their high morality are superseding the rest. There are quite few cultural and traditional practices which are not acceptable anymore by the majority of
the non-Muslim population, even with an open admittance that the ancestors of the non Muslim population practiced the very same things before. Arranged marriage, forced marriage, and the most horrible, ‘honor’ killings are more than unattractive tradition or strait disgusting regarding of the killings, where the victims are always females. Similarly difficult to accept the practice of self imposed segregation, in our western world by the majority of Muslim immigrants, of what is today a sad reality from Holland to Australia. Segregation is more common in areas where the Muslim population are represented in dominating larger numbers, like within townships or suburbs. Where theirs numbers are insignificant, integration and general mixing in every level are more active with people
of different cultural background.
It is indeed never the case, that they lock themselves in a sort of ghettos, or that they not talking to their neighbors, neither is, that they behave any other abnormal way than the general public –let’s say – in shopping centers, or government offices. Of course they smile, behaving friendly, like any of us, yet there is a form of segregation which is actively alive, creating a barrier of ‘us and them mentality.’ It is of what I call the ‘Bicentennial Park’ syndrome. Years after years I used to go with my wife to this
beautiful park of Sydney, because we lived near by. It was easy to observe that how
different ethnical and cultural groups engaged in picnicking or playing, enjoying
their weekend. What is striking most of the times that people with Islamic culture do
not mix with non-Muslim Asians, Anglo-Saxons, or other European groups, always
separate, women are always burqa-clad, in heavy dark garments even in the sweltering heat, many times forming separate circle, never actively participating together with
the men in sporting activities or sun bathing. So it is perhaps no wonder, that they won’t mix with other groups, where women wearing bikinis, where perhaps little kids could teach undesirable, unislamic thing to each other, and men disrespectfully, frequently using the ‘f’ word even in front of older folks.
Other aspect of this syndrome, perhaps the biggest obstacle in true integration is
the total absent of cross-cultural marriages, where Muslim girls can freely marry with
a man of any other faith. In other words, you can marry a Buddhist or an Animist -without any spiritual or religious obligation, but you can’t marry a Muslim girl - unless
you convert to Islam. A few cases which happened against all the odds, are regarded as
illegal by the Islamic religious authorities and they view the participant of the Islamic
background: as apostate.
Islam, is a all pervading force within the Muslim communities, and to apply its
rigid teaching to our modern, free world is indeed a great challenge. Tolerance must be
a two way street, even in uncomfortable topic’s: such as homosexuality. Homosexuals
are regarded by religious authorities as lower form of existence than pigs or dogs and
in several Islamic countries homosexuality is punishable by death or prison. When representatives of the Muslim communities in western countries are lobbying fore more rights as a minority, but then the same cultural, religious organizations are ready to
deny the right to exist for other kind of minorities. And is not only the homosexuals.
The teaching of any kind of Christianity is forbidden and punishable by prison in several Islamic countries. To teach any sort of ‘reform Islam’ – like of the US-based Free Muslim Coalition – is even more outrageously intolerable for the same deeply respected leaders. There are lots of frightening example - what triggers anti-muslim sentiment – bombarding us from the media, and to little explanation that how it will be resolved in the future.
These misunderstandings makes people uncertain or sometimes angry ‘islamophobist’, makes them say things which are incorrect or sometimes silly. Muslim extremists are not taking over the world, or wipe out all the infidels – in spite of that there is a strong sort of propagation of this extremist view within the Islamist world.[ Dr. Al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the Islamic Brotherhood, Muhammad Mahdi Othman, leader the of the the European chapter of the same organization, Dr. Zaki Badawi, Islamic Cultural Center, London, to name a few.] This people are dangerous dreamers who will never succeed, but only to stir up trouble, give ground to misguided extremist reactions. However just to sit back and not demand a constant changing for the better or ignoring and not to criticizes, and not to widely publicize the negative sides of their societies, communities: is also a mistake! Without pressuring measures from the outside there won’t be any significant activity within the Muslim world to limit those who advocate violent extremist Islam. Name them as you like; Al-Qaida, neo-Kharjites, Hamas, Taliban… the thriving existence of this organizations won’t be curved without an ‘renascence like’ religious and traditional overhaul. If there is no change in the future, these extremist organizations and theirs supporters will marginally bankrupt our western societies. Fortunes are already wasted on brutal wars, huge refuge problems, ever increasing security, bribes, different aids programs, politically correct propaganda… fortunes, of what, could be better used for the benefit of humanity and environment. If the Muslim community – willingly or unwillingly - give more room to the above mentioned fanatics the financial burden could be devastating for the next generation. In these ‘pressing-pushing’ regimes the media should have a prominent role like put on the pillory those who propagate hostile attitude towards universal values and mentality.
The majority of the western world unconditionally condemns every form of terrorism including those who kill and maim Israeli women and children. Not only here in Australia, but nowhere else in the world, ever any Muslim leader condemned the Palestine terrorist whom in reality, aren’t any better than any other terrorist scumbags. Any times, they ready to condemn the perpetrators of 9/11 or Bali but never the Palestine
suicide bombers. Muslim leaders in the cases of this sort of attacks; denounce the bombing itself, but not those ‘low life’ who carried it out. As a matter of fact they refer them as ‘martyrs’ and their instigators as respected politicians. The media should demand in the opportunity of interviews that this ‘leaders’ openly and unconditionally condemn the Palestine terrorists as well. This is extremely important, because in our society there is no ‘good terrorist’ and ‘bad terrorist’. If we ignore this point we became accomplice and our morals are bended to the worst.
Just recently we had commemoration of the abolition of slavery which happened 200 years ago. It made me wonder, that why I wasn’t able to come across a single article of
the still existing slavery and slave trade. Even today some pockets in Africa like remote tribal areas of Niger, Chad, Sudan, Mauritania slavery and slave markets are alive, regardless that is in theory illegal and forbidden. One could argue that is much smaller
scale than twenty years ago, that the attitude is slowly changing, that its respective authority trying everything to eliminate the practice; but one cannot deny that the slave traders and slave keepers are exclusively all Muslims, mostly Arabs, Berbers and other nomadic groups and the slaves are non-Muslim Negroid Africans. Slavery was common
practice in all historic Muslim countries from Morocco to Persia for much longer time and greater extent than in the Americas. [In the Turkish Empire for hundreds of years quarter of the population where slaves.] Yet this facts slept the mind and the attention of the media. Countless examples of misery and suffering caused by the white European
‘bastards’, where emotionally portrayed, but not a world for those unfortunate’s whom perished by the millions in Muslim countries. This partially bias, one sided representation by the media is wildly practiced and excepted as a norm by the media; not to antagonize the Muslim world, because they very sensitive.
When it comes to religious dogmas or Islamic theologies, this self-censured norms
are more widely kept under control. Those few reformist within the Islamic world are
not getting the support of what they deserve, or of what is warranted, in the same way-
as those governments and individuals are not criticized whom are behind of the extreme negative and dangerous Muslim mainstream of Wahabitta, Deobandi, Safalist, ect. movements. Those few who criticized Islamic costumes and behavior are quickly labeled by the media as racist bigots or fascist but those, like Sheikh Abd al-Rahman al-Sudais, who openly call for the overthrow of all other faiths, are welcomed in England to preach
their hatred, and called ‘moderates’ by the media.
The Saudi royal family seldom and very lightly criticized by the media, in spite that
the same family bans all churches in Saudi Arabia, and all the schools there teach that Islam is the only true faith. All the handpicked imams for the highest religion posts – by this family – are nothing, but hate mongers, instigating violent struggle against the non-believers. If I would say the same rhetoric’s against Muslims I would be vilified, yet this
fanatics are turned media celebrities in Saudi Arabia. The same royal family is financing
every single Madrassa in Pakistan where bomb making and women bashing is a significant part of the curriculum, yet when some of the member of this family [princes] arrives to a western country all what the media can say; how good taste this royals got
for buying horses, luxurious cars.
The only way out from the continuous conflicts between civilizations is to shape Islam to the rapidly changing modern world, modify dogmas or abandon those teachings and practices which are denounced as extreme by the majority of the advanced civilizations.
Time, we haven’t got for polite reasoning, therefore we must demand this changes, must point out for the ultra conservative majority, those few brave enlightened Islamist, who realized that Islam in its current form provides more controversy than happiness.
Mahmud Muhammed Taha advocated - more than 30 years ago- that a distinction must be drown between the Meccan and the Median section of the Koran. He argued a return to peaceable Meccan Islam, which he propagated as more applicable to today, whereas the bellicose Medinan teaching should be consigned to history. It is indeed an other shameful page in the history book of Islam, that this brave reformer was arrested for apostasy and executed by the Sudanese government.
Another Muslim modernist was the Pakistani Fazlur Rahman teached the ‘double movement’; i.e. understanding Koranic verses in their context, their ‘ratio legis’ and then
using the philosophy of the Koran to interpret that in a modern, social and moral sense.
An Egyptian professor, Nasr Hamid Abu-Zayd who also argued against the ignorant Muslim majority – that the Koran and hadith should be interpreted according to the context in which they originated. He was also prosecuted and persecuted.
In the US there is a small but extreme courageous Islamist reform group the Free Muslim Coalition which promotes a modern and secular version of Islam, has proposed the followings:
1. Reinterpretation of Islam for the 21st century, where terrorism is not justified under any circumstances.
2. Separation of religion and state.
3. Democracy as the best form of government.
4. Secularism in all form of political activity.
5. Equality for women.
6. Religion to be a personal relationship between the individual and his or her God, not to be forced on anyone.

By: Sephiroth

Sephiroth — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:49:43 +0000

I heard what happened with Gavin King. It is the essence of journalistic integrity to protect your sources no matter what you may think of their opinions or activities. Moreover, even when a source is not confidential, nobody in their right mind would ever reveal that person’s home address and property holdings unless they were pertinent to the story, which, in this case, they were certainly not. That was a clear attempt on King’s part to bring some sort of retribution on you. I’m sure they have private investigators in your country. My recommendation to you is to arrange some retribution of your own. Find out if he’s cheating on his spouse, where he goes on saturday nights and then shuffle it on to places like Little Green Footballs and your own site.

The book is open for me on whether Islam is a redeemable cultural system. It seems to me that peaceful Muslims are like medieval Catholics who supported indulgences. It’s all well and fine, but when someone comes along with a clear scriptural argument showing that the practice in question (in this case, abstaining from war against the Infidel) isn’t supported by the Holy Book, they really can’t come up with a response. If Wahabism is the Islamic equivalent of the Protestant Reformation, then the quality of the texts the religion is attempting to more faithfully observe becomes dispositive of the issue. In that case, since the Qur’an and Hadith are substantially more bellicose in disposition than the Bible, it would seem Islam doesn’t need a return to “first principles,” but instead the rise of something akin to Unitarian Universalism, which, forgive me, but I believe this is the case, doesn’t make much of the text at all in its doctrines.