Qur’an 2:256: “There is No Compulsion in Religion…”- Except when there is:

The Koran-verse above is from the early days when Mohammed started out and was still weak. Later on the tune changed.

When he came to power, he said:

3:85, If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him;

8:39, And fight them on until there is no more fitnah (dissention) and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere.


Muslims accused of blackmail to make student girls convert


Nicola Woolcock from the Times Online

Radical Muslims are being accused of blackmailing young Hindu and Sikh women into changing religion in “groomed conversions” on campuses.

The men aggressively target vulnerable university students by using the fear of being dishonoured to force them to convert, community leaders have told The Times. Many befriend their victims, then threaten to tell their families that they are in a sexual relationship with a Muslim. Some teenagers are said to have been drugged and photographed in compromising positions.

Many comply because they are so afraid of shaming their parents or being rejected by their communities.

Police are aware of the problem. Sir Ian Blair, the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, recently attended a Hindu conference where the issue was raised. But police are powerless to act unless incidents are reported. This rarely happens because the stigma of a child converting to Islam often silences Sikh and Hindu parents.

Community elders say that the practice is widespread but their estimates vary from 100 annual incidents nationwide to 120 in the past few months in the South East alone.


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* But its not only campus girls who get the forced conversions:
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22 thoughts on “Qur’an 2:256: “There is No Compulsion in Religion…”- Except when there is:”

  1. I find it insane that Islam compels people to convert. Do they really want people to call themselves Muslim even if they don’t sincerely believe all of it? Sounds pretty ridiculous but then again Islam is based on the Koran, a book full of fearmongering, lies and distortions. I guess that makes compelled conversions OK then.

    Of course, Mo could have made all of this easy. He could have erased all parts of the Koran that he deemed no longer relevant as he went along rather than leaving a confusing mess behind for his followers to “misinterpret” every which way. So much for him being perfect!

  2. Utterly ridiculous and fabricated. Another fear mongering and Islamophobic article to scare us into giving up our liberties and trust the conmen who are otensibly protecting “us” from the
    “other”. Repulsive and shocking that defaming a community has reached such levels.


  3. Well obviously they must be getting bored of the same holes (i.e getting married to your sisters/family etc) ..no wonder they look outside for real good fun cos there women must be a SORE and a bore .. since they must have fecked that hold when they were kids before getting hitched to create the TEXAS massive clan .. lol … and to convert thats even funnier cos all they seem to do is fight each other any way .. Suni Shites wow (kill the brothers whats that all about) .. then Somalia, Sudan can go on forever but hey whats the point .. also int seen ` of them ever work hard apart from on a Wednesday when they walk to the sign on … LOL .. they must convert them too with there bullsh@t … well at least they are liked by the WORLD NOT !!!! … c u in heaven with my virgins. oink ..

  4. Well I had a muslim girlfriend and guess what she did everything for me at Uni .. only thing is I did not ask her to convert as whats the point in messing up a good shag. They were all the same before indepence and the disjoining of INDIA was a joke ? must say after that happened to what is now probably the 10th wonder of the world was created La”hore” city .. where inbreeding is allowed and all sorts of other doings … best place on the earth.

  5. Well al you Hindus out there, have you decided on which god your gonna worship today is it number 100,000,000,000,000,000,000. you can talk you all have a bath in the same water. Ever heard of power showers. Indian girls give nice blowjobs i but when your ready to get it on she pulls down her trousers and it like the amazon jungle down there. I bet king Kong is somewhere down there in captivity.

  6. this entire topic is racist, islam does not ask for all to be converted, yes wut is said is true i gree with the saying that mohammed (saw) had said that line but its been interpretted by a person whos ideology of islam is that it must be rendered out as a group of people who are bad in every way. budism was once segregated like this by china and the world reacted, budism is very silent as opose to islam is quite loud where many of the muslims speak freely about their faith and are always proud to go worshi their god. i am 24 i have been around muslims hindus and many other religions, i have lived in africa, australia, portugal, the usa and the united kingdom. islam preaches that all faiths are equal, islam states that muslims must live in peace with each other and all those around them, but u tell me, if the whole world looks down on you the way the writer of this article has done so, how will u react, you telling me the reaction will be positive, its hurtful and each comment after that shows how the media and the press can influence the worlds minds. its disgusting you pick on a clean thought and u ruin it for ur own personal gain because it will get published and u will be recognised and u will earn money on the downfall of decent people. and i wont deny that yes where there are non muslims who do this there are those who have also missinterpretted and are following culture rather than religion and are acting on their own ideology in the belief that what they are doing is right when in fact its wrong. im not a muslim and i speak impartially because i have been approached by sikh men and hindu men who have often tried to encourage me to be 1 of them and i have never experienced that from a muslim so really its something that happens on both sides of the fence but because we dont talk about it doesnt mean that tey are innocent, what about the girls dare i say it but sikh girls i know 2 of them have had affairs, 1 of them in a 3 some, hindu girls well they are not too innocent by the time they are married, they have slept with as many men as they have met, dont forget that wen christians first travelled to africa they inslaved the continent forcing religion upon it, they did the same in america. wow so muslims are that bad, and in the case of whats happening in the middle east, its ok to bomb a school of children and helpless people only because they are muslims and if 1 suicide bomber whom has lost his wife his children and his family, so yes i understand why he is doing wut he is doing, goes and blows himself up by an army tank its war, war on who the suicide bomber is dead, ur enemey is dead but instead they bomb palestine more, yet you talk about how muslims are bad and oh yeh must i not forget to remind you of the hindu police officers who raped sikhs accross india and other areas, sorry they are not muslims but we dont talk of that do we, i hate when equal opportunities is not given, its cruel and unfair,
    by the way adam and eve had children, then adam and eves children had children, so adam and eves children who are brother and sister, and their children had children, now they are first cousins, and their children are second cousins who now have children and dare i continue with this, sum how we are all related but still we talk about muslims marrying their sisters, no offence mate but ur mum and ur dad are probably related yet you wont know it, and that mentality is backwards cos as far as i know inter family maraiges occur in all religions. i think any further anlysis may harm people ego here, next time guys think before u talk, think not with a clouded heart but a concious mind and a clear heart, and may be from time to time put urself in the shoes of another, maybe then you may value people and their beliefs with the same respect that most of them do to u, but the problem is u never notice it. take care and godbless

  7. What’s all this! Yo Idolworshipper what da f***k do u mean by that! Sh**up u peace of sh*t! You r gay! what bout ur gurls it ain’t like they sexy kay! An if ya no anythin u ref. indian gurls r hotttttttttt;) it’s ur peaces of sh*t that u call gurls dat r not hott! And plus why u sayin crap like that dey have a jungle under dere! Get a life ay! You an’t no anythin, ur girls r like crap dey wear some thin on dere head walk aroud and swear an wear shorts even though they have hairy man legs,think they jamaican ain’t no jamaican dey paki refs! an r u blind ur gurls r da ones that i call walking jungles! sooo f**k off!

    P.S. don’t ever say dat in public cause someone will get offended an beat u up not even jokin!

  8. الله واكبر
    Dont fool yourselves
    Islam is a perfect religion, it is men who are not perfect, do you think God would make rules that would never be broken?? wouldnt that be in vain? if He says dont do something, it means there are people who will do it, even tho they are warned..
    THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION(so i say to you the reader, if God says there is no compulsion in religion, who is He warning? isnt He warning that there are going to be people who try force others to convert?). The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
    QURAN: 2:256
    even tho u see this u may still ignore, and hence:
    Deaf, dumb, and blind; they fail to return (to the straight path). Quran 2:18
    matthew 13:13 seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.


    there are 2 ways to analyse scripture, 1 is to read it and shape it according to your thoughts and your will, the other is to seek the truth and find out what the will of God is. and hence Jesus said, “I can of my own authority do nothing, as i hear i judge and my judgment is just, for i seek not my own will but the will of God who sent me”John 5:30
    that is how to judge fairly, not as you want but as God wants.

  9. Qur’an 48:16
    …Ye will be called against a folk of mighty prowess, to fight them until they surrender;
    Qur’an 9:123
    …Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you
    Qur’an 9:73
    …Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them.
    Bukhari (001.002.024)
    ‘I have been commanded to battle mankind until they declare that there is no god but Allah and that Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah.’ (Muslim (001:0031:)

  10. Ibn Ishaq 544-547 The leader of the Quraysh, Abu Sufyan, now wanted to become a Muslim after the surrender of Mecca. ‘But when Mohammed said, “Woe to you Abu Sufyan, isn’t time that you recognise that I am God’s Apostle?,” Abu Sufyan replied, “As to that I still have some doubt.” At that, one of Mohammed’s lieutenants, Abbas, responded to Abu Sufyan: “Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is the apostle of God before you lose your head.” Abu Sufyan complied.

  11. As someone noted earlier – Muslims – stop telling us that your religion is a religion of peace and start acting like it. Kaz, what you are seeing is the rising response to muslim aggression in our communities. This aggression takes many forms, from outright violence to more subtle intimidation of communities through manipulation of our legal systems etc. All this is happening now, and people are starting to wake up. People are angry. If muslims keep pushing, people will be more than angry. If muslims had been capable of living in peace with the rest of us, in all countries of the world, then this web site would not exist! Muslim double standards are well demonstrated by recent events in Gaza. Every major claim of human rights abuse made by Hamas against Israel has been shown to be false, and indeed hamas has been shown to be a significant violator of human rights. Yet the majority of muslim leaders openly support hamas and whilst the muslim umma shut their eyes to the crimes being commited by muslims against others, including fellow muslims, the muslim umma invent a fictional history to justify their continued embrace of hatred with respect to others who do not wish to share their religion.
    That is why muslim popularity is approaching its minimum value rather quickly.

  12. the above hadith i mention by Ibn Ishaq illustrates what Muslims and Mohammed thought of choices to be offered converts!

    Also does the commentator, Muhammad, disagree that Islam allows for, and indeed requires, coercion and compulsion of non-believers as to their (the non-believer’s) behaviour and place in the Islamic society; 1400 years of Islamic history attests to the reality of this kind of ‘no compulsion in religion’ of Islam.

  13. i dont wanna say anythig to the non-believers and who insult islam probably i will say “you will know the truth later in the jugment day and i will be happy watchin you burnin in hell” but i will say you will see the miracles in the comin days months or weeks -only god knows- and one day you will believe in islam coz its god’s relegion and we dont want you to be in hell we want you muslims and with us in paradise god the life is a test try to make it right god blesss yo’all……..im muslim…. im proud

  14. The Myth of Scientific Miracles in the Quran
    A Logical Analysis

    by Mumin Salih/Islam Watch



    The claims that the Quran contains scientific miracles started to came to light only recently. For 1400 years Muslims never thought of the Quran as a book of scientific information and certainly did not find scientific miracles in it. Even as recently as half a century ago Muslim scientists read the Quran just like other Muslims did, without ever considering subjecting it to scientific analysis. Had really they wanted, they could have easily found at least a few scientific errors in the Quran, but they mostly preferred to remain coy about this. Even when such errors were manifest, they probably explained it with the alibi that the Quran was revealed to 7th century Arabs and was not really meant to be a scientific book, anyway.

    We must remember that the divine miracles passed to us through religions were never meant to prove the existence or capabilities of God. They were meant to prove the authenticity of a particular prophet. In this case the Quran was meant to prove that Mohammed was a prophet and not an impostor. The Arabs before Muhammed believed in God, they even called Him Allah. They also believed that Allah had created this world, which in itself, is the proof of His existence.

    We must also remember that were we to accept that the Quran is a divine book, then it must be in full agreement with science. Even ninety-nine percent agreement is not good enough. One mere single mistake is too many because God could never make mistakes – not even a single one for that matter. Therefore, it is logical to accept that the spotting of only one mistake in the Quran is a sufficient proof that Quran is man made, Mohammed is an impostor and Islam is a cult.

    Scientific Achievements in Ancient Civilizations

    When Muslims say ‘miracle’ they mean that the Quran is in agreement with science. Of course, any published book is expected to be in agreement with the current science of its time. The possibility of a miracle is considered only if a book predicts or explains scientific discoveries that are not within current human knowledge of its time. This principle, when applied to the Quran requires historical research to find out what was the generally accepted information about the scientific issues which were correctly mentioned in the Quran. It doesn’t take a genius to understand that when there is a scientific error, we don’t even have to go through the pain of historical research.

    Most of us tend to think ancient civilizations as primitive, and its greatness is merely relative to its time. Careful reading of history, however, will surprise the researchers with the quality and volume of scientific progress made in those ages. It seems that we are fooled by the scientific leaps man made in the last two or three centuries of human civilization. We mustn’t forget that most of our recent scientific discoveries are secondary to technological achievements. Technology has made it possible for us to achieve in hours what used to be achieved in weeks.

    The impressive engineering achievements of the past are just living reminders of the sophisticated scientific thoughts behind them. They cannot be the results of just pure hard labour only. Our current mathematical and physical principles had its roots in ancient civilizations. We still think of literature and philosophy of ancient civilizations as the best.

    How Did The Issue of Scientific Miracles Come Up?

    A Historical Background

    The Arab Nationalism/ The Decline of Islam

    The Arab world passed through a brief period of renaissance during the last century. The Arabs revolted against the Ottoman Empire to the painful fact that they were well behind the west in science and technology. The Europeans were seen by the Arabs as their national enemy and as the occupying forces of the Arabs. At the same time they also realized they (the Arabs) had a great deal to learn from the Europeans. Arab counties were struggling to gain their independence, which they eventually achieved. The future seemed to be bright but there was hard work to be done to catch up with the west.

    This period was marked with some decline in the interest in religion among the Muslim Arabs. Muslim clerics were unable to provide answers to questions of modern life and were often seen as obstacles to development. Consequently, Muslim clerics lost some of their influence on the rest of the population, and were often portrayed negatively in Arabic culture. The Muslim brotherhood movement was banned and the general public looked at its members with some suspicion.

    In the Arabian Peninsula things were moving in another direction. The Saudi family just got hold of the country, thanks to their alliance with the members of the newly formed wahabi religious sect renowned for applying Islam in its most strict form. This coincided with the discovery of oil in the country, which led to wealth on a scale never known to the Arabs before. To spoil the party for the Saudis, this also coincided with the appearance in Egypt of President Nasser with his nationalist agenda. Nasser’s influence quickly covered the entire Arab world. Saudi Arabia acquired the image of a backward country and had little influence in the political stage. That was the age of Arab nationalism, which ended by the death of its hero, Nasser, in 1970 only three years after the Arab’s defeat in 1967 war.

    The Role of Saudi Arabia

    The vacuum left was immediately filled by Saudi Arabia who aggressively promoted its brand of Islam (Wahhabism) to the rest of the Arab and Islamic worlds. Saudi Arabia was well placed to do that, thanks to its financial muscle. Saudi Arabia had millions of foreign employees, who although were largely Muslims, had little interest in religion. The system in Saudi Arabia is that all Muslims must practice their religion, in other words, all male Muslims must pray in mosques, a small inconvenience for the good money to earn. All mosques in the country are run by Saudi imams and strictly preach only wahabbi Islam with no tolerance for the other sects of Islam. Even though Saudi Arabia recruited many scholars from many Arab and Islamic countries to teach in its various institutes, these scholars were converted and were allowed to teach Islam only the wahabbi way. To their liking, this system resulted in a whole generation that has been brainwashed. The process was made easier by the fact that most of those millions of employees had only minimal knowledge in Islam, and therefore, were unwilling and incapable to dispute the new teachings.

    Saudi Arabia applied those measures from the early days of its creation but they were largely ineffective during the 50s and 60s. It was because the Arabs were busy rallying behind Nasser in his push for Arab nationalism. To make things even worse to the Saudis, Nasser managed to make Egypt as the most influential Islamic country due to the presence in Egypt of Al Azhar University, which was considered for hundreds of years as the highest Islamic authority. In other words, Saudi Arabia was effectively sidelined by Nasser, whose name will remain as one of the most hated names to both the Saudis and Islamists.

    All these changed after Nasser’s death in 1970. Egypt stepped being a leading force in the Arab and Islamic world, Al Azhar lost its status to Saudi institutions, and many of its scholars were recruited by Saudi Arabia and converted to preach their brand of Islam. The once-banned radical Muslim brotherhood movement was resurrected.

    These were the perfect settings for the Islamic movements to make a comeback with a vengeance. They promoted Islam aggressively – their message to people was that all the problems in the Islamic world, including the defeat of the Arabs in 1967, are due to the non-adherence to the strict teachings of Islam. In this sense it is only fair to say that the Islamic movements emerged as clear winners after 1967. They used the defeat to support their argument in attacking nationalism and advocating Islamic fundamentalism as an alternative.

    Maurice Bucaille

    Islamic movements were aware that Islam and science do not mix well, which is hardly a problem to any true Muslim, who always see Islam to be right and science to be wrong. However, if they want to make the religion more acceptable to others, whether Muslims or non-Muslims there are many questions to be answered. The rescue came from Maurice Bucaille, a French doctor who worked for the Saudi king and wrote a book in the 1970s about the Bible, the Quran and modern science. Oil money seems to have paid well. To the Islamists this is like winning the jackpot.

    Saudi Arabia established a generously financed government organization whose purpose is not just solving the incompatibilities between the Quran and science but to go even further and claim that the Quran has many scientific miracles. They recruited Muslim scholars and scientists from around the world and targeted western scientists. This strategy apparently brought much successes.

    To this point, I must say that I never met a friend or a colleague who carefully had read Maurice Bucaille book, although they all know about it. But that does not matter. What matters is the fact that a western Christian has admitted that the Quran is scientifically accurate. If a Muslim wrote such a book it would not make such an impact, as the material contained is not the issue, the author is. Speaking of myself I read the book during the height of my religious interest and was never really convinced of the arguments in it, but who cares? What matters is that there is an admission from a western Christian intellectual that the Quran is correct, scientifically. If such an admission comes from the enemy camp why should I question it? I believed all the claims made in the book not because they convinced me but because they happened to suit me.

    One cannot help wondering if Maurice Bucaille really believed what he claimed about the divine origin of the Quran? He must have read the Quran carefully and came across with the many verses in which Allah makes it clear that the unbelievers will be burnt in hell fire for eternity. For this fear alone, at the least, Maurice Bucaille should have pronounced the shahada to save his soul. Some Muslims claim that he had lately converted to Islam, a claim that does not make any difference to this argument. He certainly didn’t know that he is going to live long enough to re-think and convert to Islam, if it is true that he did.

    Maurice Bucaille’s position reminds us with another famous personality who knew Allah but decided to be in opposition. No I did not mean Prof. Keith Moore, I meant Iblis (the Satan) himself! The Satan’s attitude in opposing Allah remains a mystery to us all. He knew everything about Allah’s punishments and knew the consequences of his disobedience still he did it – oppose Allah.

    The Appearance of the ‘Miracle Specialists’

    Maurice Bucaille gave Islamic clerics a big boost. He gave them confidence and proved them that their efforts were well-paid. This lead to the appearance of a new breed of Muslim scholars called ‘miracle specialists’ whose role is to spread this myth of Quranic miracles to Muslims and non-Muslims everywhere in the world. With the purpose of strengthening their faith and securing their conversion to wahabism, the Saudi sect of Islam, their first target are the Muslims. Other targets are the non-Muslims working in Saudi Arabia, who are given the message about the miracle myth by every possible means. Non-Muslim conversions to Islam were generously rewarded. Then of course, to use in their campaign, they targeted western scientists to say some positive remarks about Islam.

    Muslim miracle specialists developed an aggressive approach in selling their lies. There are many aspects to their strategy none of which are based on scientific analysis. They know their audience is basically simple, ordinary folks who are unlikely to subject their claims to research or scientific analysis. They inject scientific language and terminology into ordinary Arabic words that have been taken completely out of context. They will even tell a lie, yes a completely baseless lie to overwhelm their simple-minded audience.

    Exploring scientific miracles in the Quran, with its stars and celebrities has become a big business in the Islamic world. In addition to the dedicated pages in the newspapers and internet sites, in every Islamic country, there are committed television programs and national meetings – just to cover Islamic science!

    The Strategy of the ‘Miracle specialist’

    Without any doubt in their minds, the miracle scientists believe that the Quran is Allah’s revelations to Mohammed. Therefore, everything in the Quran must be absolutely accurate. This is their starting point, which they fully believe to be an absolute fact. Everything else in life must give in to maintain the integrity of this absolute belief. When the Quran doesn’t agree with commonsense or logical thinking then these has to be adapted/modified to conform with the Quranic logic. If the Quran disagrees with some scientific principles then a Muslim must dismiss those scientific principles as wrong, even if they appear to be correct in view of the overwhelming evidence. The scientific evidence might change in the future (with Allah’s willing), but the Quran will never change.

    True Muslims will have no reservation in challenging the most basic scientific fact, if it is not in line with the Quranic teachings. Their golden rule is that Allah is always right while everything else can be wrong. There is no problem with true Muslims in admitting that even when all the available evidence points to the truth of a scientific fact, but if that fact is not in line with Quranic teachings, it simply does not become a fact at all! Any true Muslim will choose to be with Allah even when it is against the whole world. However, these true Muslims understand that not all Muslims have a perfect faith like theirs; therefore, proving that Quran is in harmony with science is always welcome.

    These so-called miracle specialists developed a strategy to solve any incompatibility between Quran and science. The Quran is made of words that cannot be changed while human understanding can be changed. Arabic dictionaries and tafseer (interpretation) books are not divine; therefore, can be changed.

    Next in their strategy is to get of what appears like a stamp of authority on whatever they want to say, and there is no shortage of scientists who are willing to endorse, in return for money and fame, whatever appeals to the miracle advocates. These scientists get invitations to appear in lavishly organized meetings where the speakers make their claims of Quranic agreements with science. The only other argument allowed in such meetings is to praise their findings. The audience is usually overwhelmed by an impressive introduction of a Muslim (or a non-Muslim) scientist, typically a person who worked or qualified in the west, attended many international meetings, appeared on many TV programs and has many publications. This way, the audience is already prepared to trust whatever this man is going to say. Their usual evidence is something like, ‘as we all know that this has been scientifically proven beyond doubt.’

    Prophets and Miracles

    The Quran has the stories of many prophets who were armed with miracles, which serve the purpose of a divine stamp of authenticity. For example, Moses had his famous stick, which converts to a snake and with which he caused the sea to split. Sulaiman was in control of the wind and the jinn and was able to understand the language of animals. Jesus had the capability to cure the sick and wake up the dead. No human being who witnesses any of those miracles can argue with it, although it was up to them whether to believe in the prophet or not. When Moses converted his stick into a snake no one in the audience said ‘no you did not convert it to a snake’ and this seems to be consistent in all the miracle stories told in the Quran.

    The Quranic Puzzles

    Such consistency seems to have been broken in the case of the miracles attributed to the Quran itself. To appreciate a Quranic miracle one needs to have an unlimited imagination and a willingness to believe what is against rational thinking. If there are any miracles in the Quran then only a few people could see them. But there aren’t any, and we will see why.

    Are we supposed to believe that the Quran is a puzzle? Why Allah likes to give us puzzles when it comes to the Quran? Why he doesn’t make it clear to all and every one of us so that we all understand it and agree on its meaning? Is it a test of intelligence? So what about the rest of us who are not intelligent enough to understand the miracle?

    When a neutral person reads the Quran, the first question that arises why does it contain so many scientific errors? Muslim clerics now want us to believe that the Quran is not only free of scientific errors but also has scientific miracles in it! They have adopted the strategy: attack is the best form of defence.

    The Quran describes itself as the clear book (alkitab almubeen); in other words, it is written in clear language. In theory, every one with a reasonable understanding of Arabic should be able to understand the Quran. So, when one finds the Quran to be ambiguous, it must be that either the Quran is not accurate in describing itself as a clear book, therefore not a divine book, or those claims are wrong, which again leads to the conclusion that it is not a divine book!

    The Quran is claimed by Muslims to be Gods word to humanity to guide them through this life. It is claimed to be like a manual that Muslims refer to it whenever they needed it on life’s issues. It is supposed to be the chosen means of communication between God and humans. The Quran keeps emphasising that it is a clear book (mubeen) and suitable to all mankind. That is the theory; the reality is that all these claims are far from true. It has been a useless manual for 1400 years, never been a clear book and Muslims disagreed on its issues from the early days of Islam. They even killed each other because of Quranic ambiguity!

    The Quran is written in Arabic and has to be subjected to the rules of the language. It is just unacceptable to allow various Islamic groups to bring new meanings to Quranic verses to suit their agenda. Those Muslims who claim the right to change the Quranic meanings will only prove to us that this book is meaningless.

    The Quran is in agreement with the Current science- of the 7th century

    A legitimate question to ask when considering the subject of the Quran and science will be: Was the Quran in agreement with the prevailing scientific knowledge of the 7th century Arabia? I think the answer is YES. All the evidence we have is that the Quran did not make any scientific statement that was seen absurd in its time. The Arabs of Mecca were very critical to the Quran in many ways; for example, regarding its composition or regarding the insults to their idols, but we do not know of a single incident when the Arabs objected to a Quranic verse because of a scientific issue. That tells us that the Quran did not say anything that was outside the Arab’s current scientific knowledge. From the scientific point of view the Arabs of Mecca were very happy about the Quran.

    The Arabs of the 7th century heard Mohammed reciting the verses describing the movement of the sun around a flat earth that is stabilized by placing mountains here and there. They heard Mohammed saying the earth is like a carpet, they did not see anything unusual in that. They normally sat on their carpets in the open and placed few stones (mountains) here and there to stabilize it. They did not see anything unscientific in that. They also heard the verses, without raising any eyebrows which describes the development of the human embryo. However, 1400 years later, we see a plethora of Muslim miracle scientists who claim that the Quran is full with scientific knowledge which humans discovered only recently. It is now claimed that the Quran contains over 1200 scientific verses! Some miracle scientists even claim that all science is recorded in the Quran!

    There are hundreds of claims made by the miracle specialists; the most quoted are probably the ones regarding the shape of the earth and the development of the human embryo. I shall take these two to demonstrate how those specialists wrap nonsense with modern scientific terminology to overwhelm the simple audience and call it a miracle.

    The Shape of the Earth

    The following is a list of the verses referring to the shape of earth. The Arabic words used in the Quran are in bold red.

    Q. 13:3 And He it is who hath outstretched the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains

    Q. 15:19 And the earth have WE spread out

    Q. 20:53 [since he is the One] Who has laid out the earth as a carpet for you

    Q. 2:22 Who made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof

    Q. 43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out

    Q. 50:6-7 What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how we have built it, and decked it out fair, and it has no cracks? And the earth — We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and we caused to grow therein of every joyous kind

    Q. 51:48 And the earth we have spread out, and how excellently do we spread it out!

    Q. 71:19 And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet

    Q. 78:6 Have WE not made the earth as a bed, And the mountains as pegs

    Q. 79:27-30 What, are you stronger in constitution or the heaven He built? He lifted up its vault, and levelled it, and darkened its night, and brought forth its forenoon; and the earth – after that He spread it out…

    Q. 88:20 Nor even how the earth has been flattened out?

    Q. 91:5-6 By the heaven and that which built it and by the earth and That which extended it!

    Quran described the shape of earth using the following Arabic words:

    Madda, Madadnaha, Firasha, Mahdan, Farashnaha, Bisata, Mihada, Dahaha, Tahaha and Sutehat.

    Every one of them means FLAT. I am trying to think of other words in the Arabic language that mean flat but can’t find anymore! It is clear that Allah, according to the Quran wants to tell man that earth is flat, and he used all available Arabic vocabulary to get the message across. This is precisely what people understood from the Quran for 1400 years.

    Bin Baz

    The late sheikh Abdul Aziz Bin Baz was in his time the highest Islamic authority in Saudi Arabia, and to many Muslims in the whole world. Sheikh Bin Baz was a man of unquestionable knowledge in Islam and the Arabic language, and a very dedicated Muslim. As recently as 1982, he issued a fatwa that earth is flat and those Muslims who say otherwise contradict the Quranic teachings. Sheikh Bin Baz was aware that scientific discoveries point to a round earth that orbits the sun. He was a true devout Muslim who had to choose between man made scientific discoveries and the Quranic revelations. Being a dedicated Muslim Sheikh Bin Baz decided to side with Allah who does not do mistakes. In 1982 scientists had no doubt about the shape of earth, but Sheikh Bin Baz, on the other hand, had no doubt about the clarity of the Quranic revelations that made him issue his fatwa with confidence. He knew how it is embarrassing for him in the scientific circles but he was willing to face the whole world because of his confidence in the Quran.

    So how those miracle specialists extract a miracle from such a clear error? As usual, they have to re-interpret the Quran, change the laws of the language, even to extract new meanings from the words and to bring logical thinking to an end. They say: When the Quran says earth is flat it means the earth appears to be flat, so wherever you are on earth it appears to you that the earth is flat, and thought of this could happen only if the earth is round!!

    But the Quranic verses do not mention the Arabic word for appear (tahsabuha) at all. The Quran has used words to mean appear to you in other verses and could have used them in this context to make its point, but it didn’t. Then what about those astronauts to whom the earth does not appear to be flat but round?

    Other Muslim apologists put another excuse for this error. They claim that it would be unrealistic for the Quran to say the earth is round to the 7th century Arabs, they would not believe it! But then, this means the Quran was revealed only to confirm existing wrong ideas. And why this gentle approach was not considered when it tells them that birds and ants could speak to humans, or when it is told them that a human (Mohammed) spent the night with Allah in the seventh heaven, and had a sight-seeing tour to view hell and paradise?

    Other apologists focus on one word, Dahaha. According to Arabic dictionaries and tafseer books, this word also means flat. It is the bed, which an ostrich prepares to lay its eggs. Those miracle experts noticed this word eggs and eureka! It’s a miracle! The Quran knew 1400 years ago earth is round! But dahaha still means flat.

    Other apologists looked everywhere in the Quran to find a word that can possibly mean round and they found one in sura 39:5 He has created the Heavens and the Earth for Truth. He wraps the night up in the day, and wraps the day up in the night. The word yukawer translated here as wraps can also mean to make like a ball but that does not refer to earth, it refers to the day and night. Miracle scientists will see this as a hint made by the Quran 1400 years ago about the shape of earth!

    I just wonder if the earth is really flat and Allah wants to say it is flat, how can he say it and in what expression? Are there any other expressions left in the Arabic language that Allah has not used in the Quran to give the meaning of flat? Unless of course those apologists think that Allah should use the English word FLAT to convince them.

    Development of the human embryo

    The Quran described the development of the human embryo in a number of verses similar to this one (Q.23: 12-14), which is the most quoted: “Verily We created man from a product of wet earth, then placed him as a drop of seed in a safe lodging, then We fashioned the drop a clot (‘alaqa), and of the clot (‘alaqa) We fashioned a lump, and of the lump We fashioned bones, and We clothed the bones (with) meat. Then We produced it as another creation.”

    The way this verse is structured in Arabic means that Allah created man from a drop which he placed in a safe place (we assume it is the uterus), then this drop was created into something sticky (alaq), then this sticky thing was made into a lump (which looks like something that has been chewed) then this lump was fashioned into bone, then Allah dressed this bone with flesh.

    The above verse used few words notfa (drop), alaqa (sticky thing, or blood clot), mudgha (lump). I don’t see in this verse or in all the other verses about this subject anything more than a description of what ladies could describe after a miscarriage. Miscarriages can happen at various stages of early pregnancy; so embryos look different in each stage.

    I keep looking at this verse trying to find a miracle. Humans since the Stone Age must have noticed that man’s semen was necessary for a woman to get pregnant. They also must had noticed how embryos look like after miscarriages at various stages of pregnancy. How else any woman in 7th century Arabia would describe to us her understanding of the development of the human embryo.

    In connection with embryos, the Arabs heard Mohammed saying this and the other verses, and they accepted it with no criticism whatsoever. The Arabs, and indeed the Jewish tribes in Arabia, criticized Mohammed whenever he said something that looks absurd to them. On this occasion, they did not. There is not a shred of evidence that this verse was met with any criticism. We must conclude that these verses must have agreed with the prevailing knowledge of the 7th century.

    Comparing with our time, we have to admit that the 7th century knowledge, although appropriate for its time, was not accurate enough. Where is the science in the above verse or in other similar verses? Is there any clear mention of the ovum? Why didn’t Allah know that the ovum is as important as the sperm is? The above verse clearly states that the lump was converted into bones, which implies that the whole lump was converted into the skeletal system, which is then dressed with flesh? This does not at all corroborate with our current understanding of embryology.

    It is quite amazing to note that the Quranic verses describing the embryological development contain scientific errors that the miracle experts like to see as a miracle. On this they made a remarkable success when Prof. Keith Moore of Canada fell into the trap set for him by the Saudi organization dealing with the Quranic miracles. To the satisfaction of the Saudis Prof. Keith Moore shamelessly accepted that Quran has an accurate description of the development of the embryo. Overnight, Prof. Moore became a celebrity and was treated as a VIP in his frequent trips to Islamic countries. He even published a special edition of his book, apparently financed by Bin laden to whom he made an acknowledgement. Prof. Moore’s statement is widely used by Muslims who consider it as the end of discussion.

    I do not claim for a minute any authority in the field of embryology, but this is not about embryology. It is about commonsense. You don’t need to be an embryology genius to spot the nonsense of extracting a miracle from a wrong 7th century statement. When the Saudis recruited Prof. Moore to do his dirty part they meant just that. They wanted to silence any freethinking about this subject and to stop any criticism to their false claims.
    Baucaille and Moore – do they believe their own claims?

    These two western scientists have given the Saudi organization dealing with Quranic miracles more than they could dream of. Their support to Saudis false claims is of tremendous magnitude, and has indirectly helped to fuel Islamic extremism. History will always have personalities like these two who would rather succumb to the temptation of fame and money rather than stand by their principles. Money, especially Arab/oil money, it seems could really buy the conscience of the so-called celebrated scientists and physicians.

    These two scientists claimed that the Quran must have been revealed from Allah. It does not matter if they are now Muslims or Christians. We know they made their claims in the 70s and 80s and remained Christians for a long time, probably until now!

    We find this attitude difficult to digest. They must have read Allah’s threatening verses in the Quran regarding the severe punishments awaiting the unbelievers. If they really believed that the Quran is a divine revelation then they should know that Allah does not compromise with the unbelievers, unless they also believe their good relations with the Saudis might make Allah forgive them.

    These two scientists made their claims and disappeared from the stage! They only appeared in Islamic sponsored meetings and refuse any interviews. They can only defend their claims in an Islamic environment when all they hear is praise and complements.

    Examples of Abuse of human intelligence and trust

    Some Muslims now believe that there are hundreds of verses in the Quran that contain scientific miracles. Some even go further and claim that we should be able to find all human knowledge in the Quran. They support their arguments by the Quranic verse that says “we revealed this Quran to you, in it an explanation of everything” I shall discuss some of the most quoted miracles as a demonstration of how some Muslims wrap 7th century statements with modern science.

    • When some unbelievers challenged Mohammed to split the moon, he did it. The moon was split 1400 years ago, then it was put back together. Only recently Nasa discovered that the moon was split in the past. This was also recorded in Chinese calendars.

    This is a big lie. Nasa never claimed such non-sense, neither did the Chinese. A splitting of the moon would have been seen by all nations around the earth; also it would have serious consequences on earth. The Arabs of Mecca never thought of the moon to be so massive in size.

    • Human astronauts heard azan (call for prayer) on the moon. Neil Armstrong converted to Islam.

    This is another big lie that was circulated widely by the Muslims. The circulated story was so detailed that one wonders how those Muslims behind it had the courage to do it. It was denied completely by Neil Armstrong, but it shows how far the miracle scientists are prepared to go to claim a victory.

    • Aeroplane technology predicted in the Quran. I saw this in an Islamic website and was completely amazed. When I clicked to see the details I found a reference to prophet’s Sulaiman control of the wind, which is a hint, made by the Quran that man will control air travel! The writer went on to explain some details of aviation physics. Remember all the Quran mentioned was the word wind! A typical example of extracting a miracle from none sense.

    • Microchip technology predicted in the Quran. The reference here is to the same story of prophet Sulaiman when he entered the valley of ants and heard them talking! The Quran only had to mention the word valley and Muslim scientists will understand that it is a reference to the Silicon Valley, which is the centre of microchip industry! Don’t they experiment in robotic insects in the Silicon Valley?

    They pick up a word in the Quran and immediately cover it with scientific language and move on to talk about complicated scientific principles. In other words, they are saying to their simple audience: this one is really too clear that we are sure you are convinced, let us move on to the next!

    The Quran is a 7th century book that is full with scientific, historical and linguistic errors. It is impossible for any true, dedicated scientist to see any miracles in such a book. It even fails the test of morality when it asks humans to do acts against their instincts. Accepting slavery, treatment of women as inferiors and intolerance to criticism and freethinking are only few of the moral codes of the Quran. The Quran does not only contain one or two scientific errors, it is full with them. A book like this cannot be attributed to Allah. It is not divine but man-made, and is badly made.

    Mumin Salih’s e-mail address is: mumbo.mua884@googlemail.com

  15. Thanks God no one is following extremist bible otherwise the world was ended too early. Thanks to Muhammad (P.B.U.H) who showed them light of Quran how to live. Quran is the main reason all western Government rules and laws they are following.

    See dark bible. I still believe in Bible but its changed by people.


    1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

    Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

    Kill Witches

    You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

    Kill Homosexuals
    “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    Kill Fortunetellers

    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

    Death for Hitting Dad

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    Death for Cursing Parents

    1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

    2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

    Death for Adultery

    If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

    Death for Fornication

    A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

    Death to Followers of Other Religions

    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

    Kill Nonbelievers

    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

    Kill False Prophets

    If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

    Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

    Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

    But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

    Kill Followers of Other Religions.

    1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

    2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

    Death for Blasphemy

    One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

    Kill False Prophets

    1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

    2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

    Infidels and Gays Should Die

    So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

    Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

    For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

    Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

    The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)


    2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:

    Kill Brats

    From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

    God Kills the Curious

    And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

    Killed by a Lion

    Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!” But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.” And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

    Killing the Good Samaritan

    The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

    When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


    3) Murdering Children

    Kill Sons of Sinners

    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

    God Will Kill Children

    The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

    Kill Men, Women, and Children

    “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

    God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

    And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

    Kill Old Men and Young Women

    “You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

    (Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

    God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

    If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

    More Rape and Baby Killing

    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)


    4) Miscellaneous Murders

    More of Samson’s Murders

    (The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

    Peter Kills Two People

    There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God.” As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?” “Yes,” she replied, “that was the price.” And Peter said, “How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too.” Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)

    Mass Murder

    This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

    You Have to Kill

    Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

    The Danites Kill the Next Town

    But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

    God Kills Some More

    Then the LORD said to me, “Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn’t help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, ‘But where can we go?’ tell them, ‘This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.’ “I will send four kinds of destroyers against them,” says the LORD. “I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.” (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)

    God Promises More Killing

    I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

    The Angel of Death

    My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)

    Destruction of Ai

    Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city.” So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: “Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, ‘The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.’ Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders.” So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

    Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn’t realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

    Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city.” Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

    When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)

    Killing at Jericho

    When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

    God Kills an Extended Family

    “You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'” Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam’s wife, “Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him.” (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

    Mass Murder

    The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)

    The Angel of Death

    That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

    Kill Your Neighbors

    (Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

    Kill the Family of Sinners

    And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.” [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] “So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster’s Bible)

    Kill Followers of Other Religions

    While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)


    At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself.” Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, “The LORD is God! The LORD is God!” Then Elijah commanded, “Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don’t let a single one escape!” So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

    Kill All of Babylon

    “Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

    Micah Kills a Whole Town

    Then, with Micah’s idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel’s son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

  16. 8454,
    You are incredibly stupid!!!!! The quran is a badly made and badly written book, and it is the main source of violence today. You don’t understand the difference between the old and new testaments but still try to construct a flawed argument out of your poor understanding. For your benefit, the political and social systems in the West, which have achieved infinitely more than the backwards Arab cesspit called islam, owe NOTHING to islam.

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