British imam’s daughter under police protection after converting to Christianity

Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times

Hat tip Weasel

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A British imam’s daughter is living in fear of her life under police protection after she received death threats from her family for converting to Christianity.

*  ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'” Muhammad

The young woman, aged 32, whose father is a Muslim imam in the north of England, has moved house 45 times to escape detection by her family since she became a Christian 15 years ago.

Hannah, who uses a pseudonym to hide her identity, told The Times how she became a Christian after she ran away from home at 16 to escape an arranged marriage.

The threats against her became more serious a month ago, prompting police to offer her protection in case of an attempt on her life.

* Obviously none of the British dhimmi’s in government or immigration have considered internment and deportation for her clan.
She was speaking on the eve of the launch of a new charity in London today to promote greater religious awareness. Muslims in Britain who wish to convert to Christianity are living in fear of their lives because of Islamic apostasy laws, a senior Church of England bishop will warn at the invitaton-only launch in west London.

The Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, will claim “freedom to believe” is under threat in Britain because of Islamic hostility to conversion.

Hannah, now employed in multi-faith youth work and who gives talks to churches on Islam, is the daughter of a Lancashire imam whose seven other children are demanding she return to Islam. She has been in hiding,

since her home was attacked by a group of men armed with knives, axes and hammers, in 1994. She will describe today how she is in fear of her life after the death threats against her were recently renewed.

She said: “I left home and I had nowhere to go. My religious education teacher gave me somewhere to live. Even though she tried to make me stay at home on Sundays, I am quite rebellious by nature and I started to go to church with her out of curiosity.”

She said she had been in hiding, on and off, ever since, and has now been given a telephone number she can call for an instant response by police should she need help. The latest threat was a text message from one of her brothers, warning he could not be responsible for his actions if she did not return to Islam.

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Hannah said she was looking forward to getting married so she could change her name and escape detection by her family. Not all Muslims in Britain are this extreme, she believes.

“It is representative of some Muslims. I know the Koran says that anyone who goes away from Islam should be killed as an apostate so in some ways my family are following the Koran. They are following Islam to the word. But I do not think every Muslim would actually act on that.”

Earlier this year, a Policy Exchange study found that 36 per cent of British Muslims aged between 16 and 24 believed those who converted to another religion should be punished by death.

Dr Nazir-Ali will speak out on behalf of Hannah and others suffering persecution for their beliefs in the UK at today’s launch of Lapido Media, a new charity which is seeking to promote “religious literacy” in world affairs.

The Bishop is expected to describe how sharia law in many countries, including parts of Britain, punishes apostasy with death and is viewed as treason by theocratic governments. Dr Nazir-Ali will call on society to offer greater protection, by increasing understanding of what makes people vulnerable.

Pakistan-born Dr Nazir-Ali, who has a Christian and Muslim background, is patron of Lapido Media, funded by donations and trusts including the Jerusalem Trust. The word ‘lapido’ means ‘to speak up for’ in the Acholi language of Northern Uganda. The charity has been named in honour of the courage of Acholi church leaders who campaigned for an end to a little-reported 20-year war there, involving the abduction of 25,000 children

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The Odyssey of Ayaan Hirsi Ali

* A Rice surprise: who would have guessed?

Ayaan claims Rice helped her get a green card.

The US Secretary of State, she says, expressed her admiration for everything Hirsi Ali “has done for women and freedom.” Rice even helped her obtain a green card, she says proudly. It is quite possible that money to pay for her bodyguards over the past few weeks has been paid by associates of the Bush administration.

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Former Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali is worshipped by foreign intellectuals, but not always welcome at home. Her opinions provoke Muslims as well as the European left, and she’s been living in very public exile from the Netherlands for over a year.

Even her clothing is provocative, though not at first glance. Ayaan Hirsi Ali wears a soft brown designer jacket with an embroidered floral pattern. When she takes off the jacket, though, there’s a black T-shirt. A black T-shirt underneath reads, in several languages (including Arabic): “Neither Whore Nor Submissive.”
She smoothes the T-shirt, stretches and says: “It’s a fantastic slogan, isn’t it?”

Who can be surprised that this woman polarizes people? That some consider her a kind of Joan of Arc, while others see her as an incorrigible radical? As someone who says that she wants to help oppressed Muslim women, and yet may do more them more damage than good? The daughter of a Somali opposition politician who fled to the Netherlands to escape an arranged marriage, Hirsi Ali is an expert at offending others. A rebellious spirit lurks beneath her graceful exterior and designer clothing.

Since the murder of Theo van Gogh, with whom she produced a film critical of male dominance in Muslim families three years ago, the 38-year-old Hirsi Ali has been traveling the world without a place to call home. She now lives in the United States, but recently came to Europe to promote her autobiography, which has just come out in paperback in Germany.

One of the reasons Hirsi Ali travels so much is a dispute over her personal protection that has been raging for weeks. After calling the Prophet Muhammad a pedophile and a tyrant, Hirsi Ali has become the target of Muslim fanatics.
And the threats are serious. Mohammed Bouyeri, a Dutch citizen of Moroccan descent, shot van Gogh as he was riding a bike down an Amsterdam street in November 2004. In a note he pinned to his victim’s chest with a knife, Bouyeri also threatened to kill Hirsi Ali. By then she already had bodyguards, paid for by the Dutch government. After Van Gogh’s murder the protection was heightened, and three years later Dutch intelligence still considers the risk to her life to be very high.

But she moved to the United States in September 2006, and after a year abroad, was told by the Netherlands that government money for her protection would be canceled — she would have to pay for it herself. The bodyguards who protected Hirsi Ali’s life 24 hours a day, seven days a week, had already cost The Hague €2 million ($2.93 million).

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3 thoughts on “British imam’s daughter under police protection after converting to Christianity”

  1. You know how you can tell a cult from a religion? If you leave a religion people are saddened and try to convince the one trying to leave to stay. If you leave a cult people are frantic and you are threatened if not killed. This is what sets Islamania apart from real religions. Not surprising though, since Islamania can’t keep followers with logic and positive messages, only with fear and threats.

  2. GOD VERSUS ALLAH (THE ANTI – GOD)

    ISLAM IS THE TEACHINGS OF THE EVIL MUHAMMAD NOT OF ANY GOD. BEING THE CREATION OF MUHAMMAD, ISLAM IS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY BOGUS – A SHAM AND A FRAUD.

    THE KORAN IS A BOOK OF EVIL – A BOOK FILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND HATE WHICH BLASPHEMES, IS A VERY GREAT SIN AND OBSCENITYAGAINST GOD. IT MAKES A MOCKERY OF EVERYTHING GOD STANDS FOR.
    MUSLIM MEN WHO FOLLOW THE EVIL TEACHINGS OF THE KORAN ARE NOT GOING TO ALLAH’S DEPRAVED PARADISE OF BIG EYED, BIG BREASTED VIRGINS BUT WILL LOSE THEIR ETERNAL SOULS AND JOIN MUHAMMAD AND HIS MASTER SATAN IN THE FIRES OF HELL.

    By:
    Larry Houle
    http://www.godofreason.com
    intermedusa@yahoo.com

    HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ISLAM IS TOTALLY BOGUS

    HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ISLAM IS A TOTAL SHAM AND FRAUD

    HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ALLAH NEVER EXISTED

    HOW DO WE KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD NEVER RECEIVED ANY REVELATIONS FROM ALLAH

    HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ISLAM WAS CREATED BY MUHAMMAD

    HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE KORAN IS NOT THE WORD/TEACHINGS OF ALLAH

    HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE TEACHINGS OF THE KORAN ARE THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD NOT ALLAH

    HOW DO WE KNOW THAT MUHAMMAD WAS ALLAH (THE ANTI – GOD)

    A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF EVIL IN THE NAME OF GOD

    ONE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE BUT TWO DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT CONCEPTIONS

    The universe is a huge entity stretching 14 billion years x 2 trillion miles (distance light travels in one year). Just in the Milky Way alone, there is an estimated 1 billion planets. In this immensity, there must be many life forms who like Homo Sapiens – exercise Free Will. While there is only one God of the universe, there is for mankind (homo sapiens) two dramatically different conceptions of God – there is God and then there is ALLAH (THE ANTI – GOD).

    CONCEPTION OF GOD

    For most of mankind – there is God – the Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Glorious Exalted Creator of the Universe, a God of All Peace, Love, Goodness and Mercy – an All Wise, All Loving God for all mankind.

    Following are self evident truths of GOD

    GOD AS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE – THE CREATOR OF ALL LIVING THINGS IS PERFECT.

    ALL TEACHINGS OF GOD – A PERFECT GOD – MUST BE PERFECT

    ANY WRITINGS IN ANY RELIGIOUS TEXT THAT ARE NOT PERFECT ARE NOT THE TEACHINGS OF GOD BUT THE TEACHINGS OF MAN

    AS A PERFECT GOD – GOD IS ALL PEACE AND LOVE AND GOODNESS

    ALL MANKIND ARE CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD AND ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD

    ALL OF MANKIND ARE CREATED EQUAL AND THEIR LIVES ARE SACRED TO GOD

    GOD IS NOT AN IRRATIONAL, IMMORAL, EVIL BEING. IF GOD IS IRRATIONAL, IMMORAL, EVIL THEN GOD IS NOT PERFECT AND THEREFORE SINCE GOD CANNOT BE IMPERFECT AN IRRATIONAL, IMMORAL, EVIL GOD IS NOT GOD

    Man’s natural concept of God, is a conception of Peace and Love, Goodness and Mercy, an All Wise, All Loving God for all mankind. All human beings are created in the image of God. All mankind is created equal and all their lives are precious and sacred to God. As the Omniscient Omnipotent Glorious Exalted Creator of the Universe and all living things – God is PERFECT.

    As PERFECTION, God is the embodiment of All Peace and Love. GOD is Anti – War. All war and violence are abhorrent to God – an affront to the intelligence He bestowed on mankind. God never intervened in any battle, never lead an army into battle, changed the weather allowing (His) side to be victorious or any other form of divine intervention etc. There is no – “His” side”.

    God is a non – religious entity. For God, there exists no concept of believers or non – believers, no chosen people. There is no one truth – no such thing as the one and only true religion. There are many ways to God. Even a total non – believer can ascend to Heaven provided he does not have an evil soul. Religion was invented by man as a vehicle to allow him to comprehend god. Because man is imperfect then religion is imperfect.

    God gave man a Free Will to do Good or Evil, to explore the truth of any question including – His existence. God is not an egotist. God does not demand obedience or adoration. Having given man intelligence, God believes that no man should be ruled by dictators.

    All men are created equal. God is not a racist.

    God created women as the equal of men. God is not a sexist.

    No man is the property of any other man – God is not a slaver.

    GOD is not a criminal. He is not a murderer. GOD has never killed or ordered the killing of any human being. He has never sent a storm or other calamity of nature to destroy any human being or city etc. God has never killed or ordered the killing of any human being. If God killed just one human being (or any other alien life form throughout the universe who exercises free will) then God is a murderer and God is no longer God.

    While God clearly has the power – He does not have the moral right to destroy the Earth. There are many different ways mankind can go to extinction. The end can come through the actions of man such as a nuclear holocaust, or the invention of a disease. Another way is for a comet to smash into the earth. Global warming could set off natural processes making the Earth uninhabitable leading to extinction. Definitely in 5 billion years, the sun will supernova destroying the earth. If God intervenes in these natural or human processes in any way and destroys the Earth because he is pissed off with Homo Sapiens or any other reason then God is the greatest mass murderer ever and God is no longer God.

    ALLAH (THE ANTI – GOD)

    For Muslims – there is Allah – the ANTI – GOD.

    Allah is the ANTI – GOD worshiped by 1.2 billion Muslims. Allah is the ANTI – GOD of war, murder, killing, death and destruction, violence, rape, slavery, torture, hate, terror, brutality, savagery, maiming, stoning, cutting off limbs, mutilations, looting and pillaging, extortion, sexual depravity, child molestation, intolerance, bigotry, sharia law, oppression and subjugation of women, inferiority of woman, women as instruments of sexual pleasure in paradise, wife beating, honor killings, inequality of infidels, inequality of any human being, that infidels can be murdered and their property stolen as a holy duty, that Muslims who renounce Islam can be killed, that Muslims (or anyone) who challenge the teachings of Islam can be murdered, that believers who slay and are slain in the service of God will ascend to a sexual Paradise of big eyed, big breasted virgins who they can sexually molest for all eternity.

    All Muslims believe the Koran is the Eternal divine word of God – the laws of God – that God authored the Koran and a copy of the Koran is in heaven. The Koran remains for all Muslims, not just “fundamentalists,” the uncreated word of God Himself. It is valid for all times and places FOREVER; its ideas are absolutely true and beyond all criticism. To question it is to question the very word of God, and hence blasphemous. A Muslim’s duty is to believe it and obey its divine commands without question.

    Muslims can be killed for doing any of the following:

    (1) Reviling Allah or his Messenger; (2) being sarcastic about ‘Allah’s name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat’; (3) denying any verse of the Quran or ‘anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it’; (4) holding that ‘any of Allah’s messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent’; (5) reviling the religion of Islam; (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law; (7) denying that Allah intended ‘the Prophet’s message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world.’

    The greatest evil that anyone can commit is acts of violence against human beings in the name of and to the greater glory of God. The second greatest evil that can be committed is to preach evil in the name of God inciting violence against human beings.

    ALL TEACHINGS OF GOD – A PERFECT GOD – MUST BE PERFECT. ANY WRITINGS IN ANY RELIGIOUS TEXT THAT ARE NOT PERFECT – ARE NOT PERFECTION – ARE NOT THE TEACHINGS OF GOD BUT THE TEACHINGS OF MAN

    In order for the Koran to be the divine word of God – every word, every teaching must be PERFECT. Since God is PERFECT every word, every teaching of God – A PERFECT GOD must be PERFECT. If only one word, one teaching is not PERFECTION then the entire Koran is not a work of PERFECTION and therefore not the word/teachings of God. God cannot have some PERFECT teachings and other teachings that are IMPERFECT. In order to be the divine word of God, the entire Koran must be a work of PERFECTION – the PERFECT word/teachings of a PERFECT God. All teachings in the Koran and all Islamic texts (written or verbal) that are not PERFECT – that are not PERFECTION are not the teachings of God – A PERFECT GOD but the teachings of man – the teachings of Muhammad (ALLAH) – THE ANTI – GOD

    This means that all teachings recorded in the Koran and all other Islamic texts, revelations, writings, sayings, fatwa’s and (listed above under the title “ ALLAH THE ANTI – GOD” of war, murder, killing, death and destruction, violence, terror, rape, hate, violent jihad, terrorism, torture, brutality, savagery, maiming, wife beating, inferiority of woman, women as instruments of sexual pleasure in paradise, honor killings, stoning, cutting off limbs, child sex, sharia law, bigotry, intolerance, extortion, slavery, mutilations, looting, pillaging, sexual depravity, child molestation, oppression and subordination of women, inferiority of woman, women as instruments of sexual pleasure in paradise, wife beating, honor killings, inequality of infidels, inequality of any human being, that infidels can be murdered and their property stolen as a holy duty, that Muslims who renounce Islam can be killed, that Muslims (or anyone) who challenge the teachings of Islam can be murdered, that believers who slay and are slain in the service of God will ascend to a sexual Paradise of big eyed, big breasted virgins who they can sexually molest for all eternity etc are evil and irrational AND NOT THE PERFECT TEACHINGS OF GOD – A PERFECT GOD – A GOD OF ALL PURE LOVE AND PEACE, GOODNESS AND MERCY – BUT THE TEACHINGS OF ALLAH – THE ANTI GOD – THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD

    AGAIN – GOD IS NOT AN IRRATIONAL, IMMORAL, EVIL BEING. IF GOD IS IRRATIONAL, IMMORAL, EVIL THEN GOD IS NOT PERFECT AND THEREFORE SINCE GOD CANNOT BE IMPERFECT AN IRRATIONAL GOD IS NOT GOD.

    Islam is a declaration of war against infidels. Islam is an ideology of WAR. The Koran is an EVIL BOOK OF WAR. Allah is a GOD OF WAR. This war is permanent until all the infidels have converted, paid a submission tax or have been murdered. These are the ETERNAL LAW OF ALLAH AS SET DOWN IN THE KORAN

    No God who is God would ever preach that killing and murdering of any human being in His name will be rewarded by accession to Paradise. You cannot climb to heaven on the corpses of the murdered. Infidels can be murdered by Muslims as an ETERNAL LAW OF GOD. Not only can they all be murdered but the wives and daughters of the murdered infidels can be taken as booty, raped, and then sold as slaves. That’s right – God permits the raping of female slaves. Indeed in Islam – rape is not a only a sexual weapon – it is a weapon of war. Having murdered the woman’s man, Muslims can now – sanctioned by the law of God complete their final humiliation and domination of her body. Her sons can be sold into slavery. If there is any doubt as to the boy’s age of puberty – Muslims can pull down their pants and inspect their genital area for hairs. Even the slightest sign of hair growth means that these young men can be taken and beheaded. These infidel women can then be bred like cattle and their off spring sold for profit.

    As an ETERNAL LAW OF GOD, Muslims can then loot and pillage the property of the murdered infidels, and must share 1/5 of the booty obtained from the sale of boys and women and the proceeds of looting with God. If no violence was involved then Muhammad was allowed by an ETERNAL LAW OF GOD to keep 100% of the looted booty for himself.

    Muslims can own slaves as an ETERNAL LAW OF GOD. Slavery has been an integral institutionalized part of Islam since it’s creation by Muhammad. Muhammad owned 40 slaves.

    Muhammad was allowed by an ETERNAL LAW OF God to rape his slaves. ALL THIS EVIL ARE THE LAWS OF GOD AS SET DOWN IN THE KORAN. Not only that but righteous Muslims who slay and are slain in the service of God can ascend as martyrs to the evil sexually depraved Islamic Paradise of eternal hard – ons and virgins who re – generate as virgins after each sex act. THIS IS THEIR ETERNAL REWARD FOR OBEYING THESE EVIL LAWS OF GOD.

    To record in a so called Holy Book – the Koran – teachings of war, slavery, looting, pillaging, hate, terror, etc is a very great evil. Just declaring that such evil teachings in the Koran are the ETERNAL divine word of God is evil incarnate and an obscenity against everything God stands for – a blasphemy and a crime against God himself.

    KILLING, MURDER, SLAUGHTER, RAPE, LOOTING ARE ALL CRIMES TO ALL NORMAL RATIONAL HUMAN BEINGS. MURDER IS NOT A MULTI CULTURAL DIFFERENCE. RELIGION IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE BEST OF MANKIND NOT THE WORST.

    Therefore the Koran is not the word/teachings of God.

    NOT ONE WORD IN THE KORAN OR ANY OTHER ISLAMIC TEXT IS FROM GOD.

    SUMMARIZING – NO GOD WHO IS TRULY GOD WOULD EVER SPEW SUCH PURE HATRED AND INTOLERANCE. NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER CREATE A RELIGION OF WAR, DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER PREACH TEACHINGS OF MURDER, TORTURE, AND CRUELTY.

    NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER ALLOW ANY HUMAN BEING TO BE THE SLAVE OF ANOTHER. NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER TEACH THAT WOMEN AND CHILDREN CAN BE SOLD INTO SLAVERY AS PROCEEDS OF WAR BOOTY. NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER DEMAND THE PROCEEDS OF WAR BOOTY, LOOTING AND PILLAGING. NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER TEACH THE RAPE OF SLAVE WOMEN. TO HAVE GOD GO TO WAR ON BEHALF OF HIS BELIEVERS IS EVIL AND A VERY GREAT SIN AGAINST GOD. TO HAVE GOD SEND HOLY
    ANGELS INTO BATTLE AS INSTRUMENTS OF MURDER, WAR, DEATH AND DESTRUCTION IS CRIMINAL.

    NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER TEACH THAT INFIDELS CAN BE MURDERED AS A HOLY DUTY, THAT MUSLIMS WHO RENOUNCE ISLAM CAN BE KILLED, THAT MUSLIMS (OR ANYONE) WHO CHALLENGE THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM CAN BE MURDERED. NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER PREACH THAT KILLING AND MURDERING OF ANY HUMAN BEING IN HIS NAME WILL BE REWARDED BY ACCESSION TO PARADISE. IF GOD COMMANDED THAT INFIDELS (OR ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING) BE KILLED THEN HE WOULD BE IRRATIONAL AND EVIL AND NO LONGER PERFECT – NO LONGER GOD. IF ANY TEACHING OF GOD INCITES VIOLENCE THAT LEADS TO THE KILLING OF ANY HUMAN BEING THEN GOD IS AN ACCOMPLICE TO MURDER AND THEREFORE NO LONGER GOD.

    NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER CREATE A DEPRAVED SEXUAL PARADISE FULL OF BIG BREASTED, BIG EYED VIRGIN NYMPHS FOR SUICIDE BOMBERS, TERRORISTS, MURDERERS TO MOLEST FOR ALL ETERNITY. NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER DEMONIZE, OPPRESS AND SUBORDINATE WOMEN MAKING THEM TOTALLY INFERIOR TO MEN – WORTH ½ A HUMAN BEING.

    NO GOD WHO IS GOD WOULD EVER SEND AN EVIL, CRIMINAL LIKE MUHAMMAD AS HIS PROPHET TO CREATE A RELIGION TO TERRORIZE MANKIND. THE ALLAH OF THE KORAN NEVER EXISTED EXCEPT IN THE MIND OF MUHAMMAD. THERE NEVER WERE ANY REVELATIONS FROM ALLAH TO MUHAMMAD. THE KORAN IS THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD – THE TEACHINGS OF ALLAH – THE ANTI-GOD. BEING THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD AND NOT GOD – ISLAM IS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY BOGUS – A SHAM AND A FRAUD

    The above LAWS OF ALLAH destroys Islam’s religious credentials, Muhammad’s authority, and Allah’s credibility. Allah justifying violent criminal acts to satisfy a prophet’s lust for sex and power is unfathomable. If we are to believe Muhammad, Allah approved murder, terror, thievery, and kidnapping for ransom etc. This is immoral. An immoral God cannot be trusted. An immoral deity isn’t worthy of a religion, devotion, sacrifice, or martyrdom. Since God is PERFECTION – He cannot be immoral and still be God. As stated previously, Allah never existed. The immoral, irrational, evil Allah of the Koran was the creation of Muhammad. He created Allah. He created Islam. He created the evil LAWS OF ALLAH. MUHAMMAD WAS ALLAH AND ALLAH WAS MUHAMMAD.

    The same is true for an immoral prophet. The only thing more devastating than a man professing situational scriptures to legitimize terror, murder, robbery, and kidnapping for ransom is to lure billions to their doom by implying these words were inspired by God. Islam was nothing more than a cover for immoral sexual depravity and financial gain. Muhammad was a murderous con man.

    There have been millions of murderers, millions of kidnappers, millions of terrorists. There have been millions of sexual predators. Thieves are a dime a dozen. And there have been a score of men who have done these things while claiming to be anointed by God. Yet only one invented a “religion” and falsified “scripture” to satiate his demonic cravings. This is why Muhammad, Islam’s lone prophet, qualifies as the most evil man to have ever lived.

  3. Larry Houle…of course you are right about Muhammad and his pet Allah…but you are wrong about God…keep trying…

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