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	<title>Comments on: Tariq Ramadan: &#8220;an outsider (infidel) cannot understand the glorious Koran!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: 10 Questions for Yusuf Irfan, Civilizational Missionary from Planet Irf &#187; Winds Of Jihad</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 Questions for Yusuf Irfan, Civilizational Missionary from Planet Irf &#187; Winds Of Jihad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] primitive terror like OBL and Al Zawahiri.  but its not  that you disagree with it, is it?. Ask brotherTariq&#8230;) * Do you  believe all man-made governments are illegitimate and must be replaced with Islamic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] primitive terror like OBL and Al Zawahiri.  but its not  that you disagree with it, is it?. Ask brotherTariq&#8230;) * Do you  believe all man-made governments are illegitimate and must be replaced with Islamic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;You make me&#8230;&#8221; sez Yusuf &#187; Winds Of Jihad</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;You make me&#8230;&#8221; sez Yusuf &#187; Winds Of Jihad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn&#8217;t want you to know what Islam has in store for you kuffars. Yusuf wants Australia to become Islamic slowly, by stealth, right Yusuf? Just like his Muslim brother Tariq Ramadan: last year in Austria,  who proclaimed the most [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] doesn&#8217;t want you to know what Islam has in store for you kuffars. Yusuf wants Australia to become Islamic slowly, by stealth, right Yusuf? Just like his Muslim brother Tariq Ramadan: last year in Austria,  who proclaimed the most [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sheikyermami</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheikyermami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spencer sez:

I do not accept the foggy mystical idea that the Qur'an can only be understood in the Arabic original. Most Muslims today do not speak Arabic, and Arabic is a human language that can be translated like any other. If what you have asserted about Arabic were true, no Muslims would ever translate the Qur'an. Yet large numbers of Muslim translations exist. The idea that the Qur'an can only be understood in Arabic is simply an obfuscation thrown up by defensive Muslims who want to prevent non-Muslims from reading it and seeing what's in there, or allowing themselves to understand what's in there when they read it.
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From Nick:

Allah made the Qur'an clear, simple and easy? (44:58 54:22 54:32 54:40)and nowhere does Allah say "my words must be read with help of commentaries and tasfirs"? Allah asks the Muslims to believe the literal meaning and forbade interpretations in Qur'an 3:7 "He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture as well as multiple
meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning..."

Tasfir ibn Kathir (3:7): "Allah states that in the Qur'an, there are Ayat that are Muhkamat, entirely clear and plain, and these are the foundations of the Book which are plain for everyone. And there are Ayat in the Qur'an that are Mutashabihat not entirely clear for many, or some people. The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. As for the Mutashabihat Ayat, they include the abrogated Ayat, parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented. (So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation) meaning, those who are misguided and deviate from truth to falsehoood (they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof) meaning, they refer to the Mutashabih, because they are able to alter its meanings to conform with their false interpretation since the wordings of the Mutashabihat encompass such a wide area of meanings. As for the Muhkam Ayat, they cannot be altered because they are clear and, thus, constitute unequivocal proof against the misguided people. This is why Allah said,
(seeking Al-Fitnah) meaning, they seek to misguide their following by pretending to prove their innovation by relying on the Qur'an -- the Mutashabih of it -- but, this is proof against and not for them. For instance, Christians might claim that [`Isa is divine because] the Qur'an states that he is Ruhullah and His Word, which He gave to Mary, all the while ignoring Allah's statements,(He [`Isa] was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.) [43:59], and, Al-Bukhari recorded a similar Hadith in the Tafsir of this Ayah [3:7], as did Muslim in the book of Qadar (the Divine Will) in his Sahih, and Abu Dawud in the Sunnah section of his Sunan, from `A'ishah; "The Messenger of Allah recited this Ayah,(It is He Who has sent down to you the Book. In it are verses that are entirely clear,)

"Verses that are entirely clear." "Entirely clear and plain". You know, like kill the unbelievers.
Can you tell us in what way kill the unbelievers actually means kiss the unbelievers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer sez:</p>
<p>I do not accept the foggy mystical idea that the Qur&#8217;an can only be understood in the Arabic original. Most Muslims today do not speak Arabic, and Arabic is a human language that can be translated like any other. If what you have asserted about Arabic were true, no Muslims would ever translate the Qur&#8217;an. Yet large numbers of Muslim translations exist. The idea that the Qur&#8217;an can only be understood in Arabic is simply an obfuscation thrown up by defensive Muslims who want to prevent non-Muslims from reading it and seeing what&#8217;s in there, or allowing themselves to understand what&#8217;s in there when they read it.<br />
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From Nick:</p>
<p>Allah made the Qur&#8217;an clear, simple and easy? (44:58 54:22 54:32 54:40)and nowhere does Allah say &#8220;my words must be read with help of commentaries and tasfirs&#8221;? Allah asks the Muslims to believe the literal meaning and forbade interpretations in Qur&#8217;an 3:7 &#8220;He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture as well as multiple<br />
meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Tasfir ibn Kathir (3:7): &#8220;Allah states that in the Qur&#8217;an, there are Ayat that are Muhkamat, entirely clear and plain, and these are the foundations of the Book which are plain for everyone. And there are Ayat in the Qur&#8217;an that are Mutashabihat not entirely clear for many, or some people. The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. As for the Mutashabihat Ayat, they include the abrogated Ayat, parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented. (So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation) meaning, those who are misguided and deviate from truth to falsehoood (they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof) meaning, they refer to the Mutashabih, because they are able to alter its meanings to conform with their false interpretation since the wordings of the Mutashabihat encompass such a wide area of meanings. As for the Muhkam Ayat, they cannot be altered because they are clear and, thus, constitute unequivocal proof against the misguided people. This is why Allah said,<br />
(seeking Al-Fitnah) meaning, they seek to misguide their following by pretending to prove their innovation by relying on the Qur&#8217;an &#8212; the Mutashabih of it &#8212; but, this is proof against and not for them. For instance, Christians might claim that [`Isa is divine because] the Qur&#8217;an states that he is Ruhullah and His Word, which He gave to Mary, all the while ignoring Allah&#8217;s statements,(He [`Isa] was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.) [43:59], and, Al-Bukhari recorded a similar Hadith in the Tafsir of this Ayah [3:7], as did Muslim in the book of Qadar (the Divine Will) in his Sahih, and Abu Dawud in the Sunnah section of his Sunan, from `A&#8217;ishah; &#8220;The Messenger of Allah recited this Ayah,(It is He Who has sent down to you the Book. In it are verses that are entirely clear,)</p>
<p>&#8220;Verses that are entirely clear.&#8221; &#8220;Entirely clear and plain&#8221;. You know, like kill the unbelievers.<br />
Can you tell us in what way kill the unbelievers actually means kiss the unbelievers?</p>
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		<title>By: Mullah Lodabullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mullah Lodabullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* One’s heart, Ramadan argues, is one’s guide for understanding the Koran

Unlike Christianity, where it is the Holy Spirit who will guide into all truth (John 16:13).

Unlike Christianity, where Jesus Christ and His father are one, Islam mocks and blasphemes
against Jesus Christ and claims that He was not crucified. Muslims may mock Jesus Christ and his sacrificial death and resurrection, but God will have them in derision ... they are indeed "misunderstanders" of Christianity, and rejecters of God's unmerited gift of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ.

Blasphemy such as this won't go unnoticed, even if Christians have no mandate (or desire)
to rampage through the streets calling for those who blaspheme against Jesus Christ to be
beheaded ...

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/client/pagesdetails.asp?nid=10722&#38;ccid=18
[blasphemous]  'Islamic Jesus' hits Iranian movie screens

No point in the "interfaith" crowd babbling on about "building bridges", "common ground" 
and "dialogue" between Islam and Christianity, when Islam is inherently blasphemous 
against God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* One’s heart, Ramadan argues, is one’s guide for understanding the Koran</p>
<p>Unlike Christianity, where it is the Holy Spirit who will guide into all truth (John 16:13).</p>
<p>Unlike Christianity, where Jesus Christ and His father are one, Islam mocks and blasphemes<br />
against Jesus Christ and claims that He was not crucified. Muslims may mock Jesus Christ and his sacrificial death and resurrection, but God will have them in derision &#8230; they are indeed &#8220;misunderstanders&#8221; of Christianity, and rejecters of God&#8217;s unmerited gift of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Blasphemy such as this won&#8217;t go unnoticed, even if Christians have no mandate (or desire)<br />
to rampage through the streets calling for those who blaspheme against Jesus Christ to be<br />
beheaded &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arabtimesonline.com/client/pagesdetails.asp?nid=10722&amp;ccid=18" rel="nofollow">http://www.arabtimesonline.com/client/pagesdetails.asp?nid=10722&amp;ccid=18</a><br />
[blasphemous]  &#8216;Islamic Jesus&#8217; hits Iranian movie screens</p>
<p>No point in the &#8220;interfaith&#8221; crowd babbling on about &#8220;building bridges&#8221;, &#8220;common ground&#8221;<br />
and &#8220;dialogue&#8221; between Islam and Christianity, when Islam is inherently blasphemous<br />
against God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).</p>
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		<title>By: eloivsdiablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>eloivsdiablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a revolution of monumental proportions in the medical field, the incision into the brain to perform a lobotomy is no longer required, it's a miracle I tell you!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a revolution of monumental proportions in the medical field, the incision into the brain to perform a lobotomy is no longer required, it&#8217;s a miracle I tell you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Izzla-mo Fo'bik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzla-mo Fo'bik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you islamaphobic infidels should read how wonderful and glorious is the Koran in this enlightening article from Memri.

The 'Science' Behind Healing with Koranic Holy Water.  Sure beats Christian holy water!

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD179808</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you islamaphobic infidels should read how wonderful and glorious is the Koran in this enlightening article from Memri.</p>
<p>The &#8216;Science&#8217; Behind Healing with Koranic Holy Water.  Sure beats Christian holy water!</p>
<p><a href="http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD179808" rel="nofollow">http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD179808</a></p>
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		<title>By: ISLAMSFORLOSERS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ISLAMSFORLOSERS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If an infidel can't understand the inglorious Koran then why do they seek to convert us? Talk about stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If an infidel can&#8217;t understand the inglorious Koran then why do they seek to convert us? Talk about stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: R_not</title>
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		<dc:creator>R_not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, basically unless you accept islam (which is about that easy, unlike other religions which take a few or more sessions) all of a sudden then one can understand it?!  One has an epiphany once you say a couple of words of a sort of 'I do' to isalm?! 

I think that the part of the acceptance of islam is that one has to scramble the brains up and then, and only then, can one understand the koran - because it is about that nonsensically violent.  It is a book on tactics if you want to look at it that way.  And that is why the don't want you reading it - especially those Medina (violent) versese which are surahs 8 and 9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, basically unless you accept islam (which is about that easy, unlike other religions which take a few or more sessions) all of a sudden then one can understand it?!  One has an epiphany once you say a couple of words of a sort of &#8216;I do&#8217; to isalm?! </p>
<p>I think that the part of the acceptance of islam is that one has to scramble the brains up and then, and only then, can one understand the koran - because it is about that nonsensically violent.  It is a book on tactics if you want to look at it that way.  And that is why the don&#8217;t want you reading it - especially those Medina (violent) versese which are surahs 8 and 9.</p>
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		<title>By: Senor Doeboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senor Doeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember ... you can't understand Mein Kampf, unless you are a Nazi... after all only a true believer would understand the subtle nuances and verbage used... errr... ya... that's the ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember &#8230; you can&#8217;t understand Mein Kampf, unless you are a Nazi&#8230; after all only a true believer would understand the subtle nuances and verbage used&#8230; errr&#8230; ya&#8230; that&#8217;s the ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Senor Doeboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senor Doeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Madrid will also see the launch of a multi-million dollar Alliance of Civilizations Media Fund, an initiative that will be run independently of the UN and set up by private philanthropists and media agencies to "support major film productions that help to promote cross-cultural understanding and combat stereotypes." "

Goebbels and Troskey would be proud of this new agi-pop machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Madrid will also see the launch of a multi-million dollar Alliance of Civilizations Media Fund, an initiative that will be run independently of the UN and set up by private philanthropists and media agencies to &#8220;support major film productions that help to promote cross-cultural understanding and combat stereotypes.&#8221; &#8221;</p>
<p>Goebbels and Troskey would be proud of this new agi-pop machine.</p>
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