The weekly show “Questions About Faith” on the Egyptian based Christian Al-Hayat satellite channel features an Egyptian Coptic priest residing in the United States. Father Zakaria Boutrus, the show, and Al-Hayat TV itself, have come under harsh criticism in the Egyptian press. Boutrus and his show have been accused of attacking Islam; of being supported by the U.S. to sow division and strife; and of “mocking the verses of Allah.”
Boutrus: “I live in a country (the U.S.) that respects freedom of speech. I exercise my freedom of speech and talk, and no one can deny my free will. Gone are the days of the sharp sword that cut off the tongues of our people and forefathers to prevent them from speaking in the Coptic language. Gone are the days people’s heads would be chopped off if they did not convert to Islam.”
Interviewer: “What should the Muslims do to make you stop saying these things?”
Moe was a horny toad:
Notice to readers:
Boutrus: “I live in a country (the U.S.) that respects freedom of speech” – is obviously no longer the case, since the youtube wankers have taken the video down. But read the transcript, its worth it!
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“(Al-Halabi) says: ‘ If the Prophet wanted an available woman…’ – in other words, an unmarried woman, a widow, or a single woman – ‘…he was allowed to enter her…’ I don’t like to use the word i-n-t-e-r-c-o-u-r-s-e. ‘…without her guardian and without witnesses…’ Without witnesses. ‘…and against her will.’ Against her will. ‘If he desired a married woman, her husband had to divorce her for him. And if he desired a servant-girl, her master had to give her to him. He can even marry off the woman to whoever he wants, against her will.’”
Interviewer: “We know that the Prophet is allowed what others are not.”
Boutrus: “Why? Is he made of different stuff than the rest of mankind?”
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Islam’s ‘Public Enemy #1’
Coptic priest Zakaria Botros fights fire with fire.
By Raymond Ibrahim
Though he is little known in the West, Coptic priest Zakaria Botros — named Islam’s “Public Enemy #1” by the Arabic newspaper, al-Insan al-Jadid — has been making waves in the Islamic world. Along with fellow missionaries — mostly Muslim converts — he appears frequently on the Arabic channel al-Hayat (i.e., “Life TV”). There, he addresses controversial topics of theological significance — free from the censorship imposed by Islamic authorities or self-imposed through fear of the zealous mobs who fulminated against the infamous cartoons of Mohammed. Botros’s excurses on little-known but embarrassing aspects of Islamic law and tradition have become a thorn in the side of Islamic leaders throughout the Middle East.
* January 12, 2009
Father Zakaria Botros on “The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet”
Life TV’s Father Zakaria Botros recently ran a show dedicated to discussing the question of morality and how it is—or should be—one of the hallmarks of “prophethood.” At the start, he posed the focal question of the show: “Was Muhammad the prophet a moral man—the most upright man, worthy of being emulated by the world?”
He opened the show by relying on an Ibn Taymiyya quote, which evaluated the signs of prophethood. Taymiyya asserted that there are many false-prophets, such as Musailima “the Liar,” a contemporary of Muhammad. Taymiyya concluded that many of these so-called prophets are, in fact, “possessed,” and that the only way to determine the authenticity of any prophet is by examining his biography (sira) and deeds, and see if he be found worthy of the title.
Being that this is the first of several episodes devoted to examining the concepts of morality and prophethood (with the notion that the former reinforces the latter), the theme for this particular episode was “purity” (tahara): “Was Muhammad a ‘pure’ man?”—in this context, a question concerning his sexual mores (or lack thereof).
After the preliminaries, Botros looked at the camera and gave a stern warning: “This episode is for adults only! I am going to discuss many things that make me blush for shame, so please: have the women and children leave the room.”
He then asked Muslims watching to keep in mind the question “Is this the prophet I follow?” as he delineated some of Muhammad’s sexual habits.
First, from the Koran, Botros read verses unequivocally stating that Muhammad is the paragon of all virtue and morality, such as “And most surely you [Muhammad] conform (yourself) to sublime morality [68: 4].” He further quoted the ulema, such as Ibn Kathir, all insisting that Muhammad was the “Noblest of all humanity, and the greatest of prophets.”
Botros and his ex-Muslim cohost—the priest had insisted that it be a man for this particular show, lest he be too ashamed to delineate Muhammad’s sexual habits—discussed Koran 4:3, which “limits” a Muslim’s wives to four, plus “what your right hands possess,” that is, slave-girls.
That was apparently not good enough for Muhammad, asserted Botros; an entire verse had to be “revealed” justifying more women for him (Koran 33:50). In fact, Father Botros has carefully compiled a list of all the women—66 are known—to have had sexual relations with Muhammad.
Botros said that was only normal: according to Sirat Al-Halabi, Muhammad can have a woman no matter what, even against her will; and if Muhammad desired a married woman, her husband would have had to divorce her. According to Ibn Sa’ad, who wrote another authoritative biographical account of Muhammad, “The prophet did not die till all women were permitted him” (see Kitab Al Tabaqat Al Kubra, v.8, 194).
The co-host, rather abruptly, interjected – “What of all those rumors that Muhammad exhibited homosexual tendencies?”
Botros dropped his face in his hands and mumbled, “So you still insist we discuss that?” The co-host was adamant, saying it was for Muslims’ own good to know everything.
Thus Botros, after profusely apologizing to his Muslim viewers, saying how embarrassing this was for him, declared: “Look! We’re merely readers here, bringing up what we have read in Islam’s own books! If Muslims don’t like it, they should go and burn these books.”
The first anecdote discussed by the priest revolved around a hadith that, while some ulema say is “weak,” is, nonetheless according to Botros, present in 44 Islamic books—including some highly respected collections, such as Sunan Bayhaqi and Al Halabi.
According to this hadith, a man named Zahir, who used to declare that “the prophet loves me,” said that one day Muhammad crept unawares behind him and put him in a bear-hug. Zahir, alarmed, yelled, “Get off me!” After turning his head and discovering that it was Muhammad, he stopped struggling and proceeded to “push his back into the prophet’s chest—prayers and blessings upon him.”
Another curious hadith contained in Sunan Bayhaqi and which traces to Sunan Abu Dawud(one of the six canonical hadith collections), has Muhammad lifting up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, “from his bellybutton to his armpits.”
Botros looked casually at the camera and said, “Imagine if the sheikh of Al Azhar [nearest Muslim equivalent to the pope] went around lifting his shirt for men to kiss his torso” (he proceeded to make smacking kissing noises, for effect).
Said the co-host: “Surely there’s more?”
Botros: “Indeed there is. No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls”…
[Stay tuned for part II of "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet"]
Alright, here’s the update:
Father Zakaria Botros on “The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet,” Part II
This being the continuation of Fr. Botros’ examination of Muhammad’s sexual morality (or lack thereof). See here for Part I. Last we left the priest and his co-host, the former noted that, “No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls.”
Botros proceeded to read aloud from various sources, such as a hadith relayed by Abu Hurreira (deemed an extremely reliable narrator), where Muhammad sucked on the tongues of his cousin (and future caliph) Ali’s two boys, Hassan and Hussein—they of revered Shia memory.
Next he read a hadith of Muhammad sucking on the tongue of his own daughter, Fatima. Fr Botros also added that the Arabic word for “suck” (muss) cannot, as some apologists insist, mean anything but “suck.” “After all,” added the perspicacious priest, “this is the same word used when discussing Muhammad’s ‘activities’ with his wives, especially his beloved child-bride, Aisha.”
With an extremely disgusted look on his face, Botros turned towards the camera and said: “Dear lady, imagine, for a moment, coming home to find your husband sucking on your daughter’s tongue? What would you do? It’s even worse: it’s your prophet—the most “morally upright” man, a man to be emulated by the world! A man who on record used to go around sucking the tongues of his wives, his daughters, and young boys: Are these the activities of the man described in the Koran as being the pinnacle of moral perfection?”
Cohost: “More!”
“Muhammad would not sleep until he kissed his daughter Fatima and nuzzled his face in her bosom [the priest provided the appropriate sources]. Dear lady! what would you say to your husband sleeping with his face in your daughter’s breast—is that the height of morality?!”
At this point, Fr Botros, looking downcast, began apologizing profusely, saying he could only imagine how all these anecdotes must be troubling for Muslims, to which the co-host reassured him: “It’s not your fault, father, but rather the fault of those Muslims recording these vile incidences. Either way: Muslims must know. More please.”
Botros continued reading more revealing hadiths, including one from the Musnad of Ahmad bin Hanbal, which records Muhammad seeing a 2-3 year old girl in her mother’s arms. Muhammad was so “impressed” by her that he said, “By Allah, if this girl reaches marrying age and I am still alive, I will surely marry her.”
Another hadith goes on to say that Muhammad ended up dying before this particular girl reached marriage age, to which the by now vexed priest, unable to contain himself, exclaimed, “Awwww! Poor prophet! He missed one!”
Botros then told viewers to keep this last hadith in mind, for “context,” as he read another hadith from the Sunan of Bin Said, which records Muhammad saying “I hugged so-and-so when she was a child and found that I greatly desired her.”
“What prophet is this you follow?!” cried the outraged Coptic priest. “Where is his morality? This is the man that Muslims follow slavishly? Use your minds?!”
It was late in the night, yet Fr Botros was not done cataloging his findings regarding the prophet’s “sexual” habits (these shows are an hour and a half long). So, when he moved on to a hadith depicting Muhammad laying next to a dead woman in her grave, as well as pointing to hadith categories called “intercourse with a dead woman,” I happily turned off the satellite and called it a night—till this moment, as I am (somewhat reluctantly) revisiting my notes to prepare this report.
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Father Zakaria Botros on “The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet” Part III
This being the continuation of Fr Zakaria Botros’ examination of Muhammad’s sexual morality (or lack thereof). See here for Part I and Part II.
Last we left the Coptic priest, he was reading from hadith reports stating that the prophet of Islam “admired” a 2-3 year old girl (saying that he hoped to live long enough to make her his wife), and “laid” in the grave with a dead woman.
In this episode, he began with the prophet’s “transvestite” tendencies. He read from several hadiths, including Sahih Bukhari—Fr Botros claims that there are no less than 32 different references to this phenomenon in Islam’s books—wherein Muhammad often laid in bed dressed in women’s clothes, specifically his child-bride Aisha’s.
Fr. Botros: “Perhaps Muslims think that he only dressed in Aisha’s clothes? Being that she was his “favorite,” perhaps after being intimate with her, he would merely lay in bed with her clothes?” (Here the priest put his face in his hands lamenting that he had to talk of such shameful things.)
Then he offered an interesting and revealing hadith, from Sahih Bukhari (2/911), which records Muhammad saying, “Revelations [i.e., the Koran] never come to me when I’m dressed in women’s clothing—except when I’m dressed in Aisha’s,” implying that it was something of a habit for the prophet to dress in female clothing.
Fr Botros next moved on to some commentaries in the Tafsir of al-Qurtubi—an authoritative exegesis in Islam. He read one anecdote where Aisha said that, one day, while Muhammad was lying naked in bed, Zaid came knocking; Muhammad, without getting dressed, opened the door and “hugged and kissed him”—in the nude. Elsewhere, Qurtubi concludes that, “the prophet—prayers and blessings upon him—was constantly preoccupied with women.”
Fr Botros to Muslims: “So this is your prophet—the most morally upright man? Instead of being preoccupied with, say, prayer or good deeds, he was preoccupied with women?”
He next read from Faid al-Qabir (3/371), wherein Muhammad is on record saying, “My greatest loves are women and perfume: the hungry is satisfied after eating, but I never have enough of women.” Another hadith: “I can hold back from food and drink—but not from women.” After reading these hadiths, Fr Botros would just look at the screen in silence, shaking his head.
He next read an interesting narrative (contained in Umdat al-Qari and Faid al-Qabir). Reportedly, Allah sent Gabriel with some sort of celestial food (called al-kofid) to Muhammad, commanding the latter to “Eat!”—identical to when Gabriel came to Muhammad saying “Read!” (i.e., iqra, the word for Koran). The report goes on to quote Muhammad saying that the food given to him “gave me the sexual potency of 40 heavenly men.” Fr Botros next read from the Sunan of al-Tirmidhi, where it says that the “heavenly man” has the sexual potency of 100 mortal men.
Wondered the priest: “So, doing the math, 40×100, we can conclude that Muhammad, whenever he ate his heavenly aphrodisiac, had the sexual potency of 4000 men? Really, O umma, is this the claim to fame of your prophet—that he was a raving sex maniac?” Then, less seriously, “Imagine the surprise when Westerners find out that, once again, it was Muhammad who first discovered Viagra!”
Zakaria Botros went on to read from more sources, such as Sunan al-Nisa’i, wherein Muhammad used to in a single night “visit” all his women, without washing in between. Asked the priest: “Why even record such obscene and embarrassing things?”
Perhaps most entertaining, Fr Botros spent some time analyzing an anecdote recorded in Ibn Kathir’s al-Bidaya we al-Nihaya. Here is a translation for this lengthy account:
After conquering the Jews of Khaybar, and plundering their belongings, among other things, a donkey fell into the lot of the prophet, who proceeded to ask the donkey: “What is your name?”
The donkey answered, “Yazid Ibn Shihab. Allah had brought forth from my ancestry 60 donkeys, none of whom were ridden on except by prophets. None of the descendants of my grandfather remain but me, and none of the prophets remain but you and I expected you to ride me. Before you, I belonged to a Jewish man, whom I caused to stumble and fall frequently so he used to kick my stomach and beat my back.”
Here, chuckling, the priest added, “a taqiyya-practicing donkey!” He continued reading, “The prophet – may Allah’s prayers and peace be upon him – said to him, ‘I will call you Ya’foor. O Ya’foor!’ Ya’foor replied, ‘I obey.’ The prophet asked, ‘Do you lust after females?’ The donkey replied, ‘No!’”
Cried the priest: “Even the donkey blushed for shame concerning your prophet’s over-sexed inquiries! Here we have what is supposed to be a miracle—a talking donkey; and of all things to communicate to this animal, your prophet’s most urgent question was whether the donkey lusts after females?”
Next, reading from Sahih Bukhari (5/2012), Fr Botros relayed an account where Muhammad went into the house of a young woman named Umaima bint Nua’m and commanded her to “Give yourself to me!” The woman responded, “Shall a queen give herself to the rabble?” Shaking his fist, Muhammad threatened her, and then sent her off to her parents.
Zakaria Botros: “You see, people, even back then, in those dark ages, there were still people who had principles, who did not give way to threats and coercion. However, the real question here is, why was Muhammad contradicting the commandments of his own Koran—“if a believing woman gives herself to the prophet” (33:50)—trying to coerce this young lady?”
Finally, with a most distasteful look on his face, the priest read from a hadith in al-Siyuti (6/395), where Muhammad asserts that, “In heaven, Mary mother of Jesus, will be one of my wives.”
“Please, O prophet,” quoth the Coptic Orthodox priest, “do not implicate our saints with your filthy practices…”
[Stay tuned for part IV of "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet"]
Father Zakaria Botros on “The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet” Part V
“This is all from your own books, O Muslims!”
This being the continuation of Fr Zakaria Botros’ examination of Muhammad’s sexual morality (or lack thereof). See here for Part I, Part II, Part III, and Part IV.
Last we left the Coptic priest, he was discussing Muhammad’s predilection for menstruating women—even though the Koran itself (as Fr Botros put it, “his own words”) forbid men from getting near to menstruating women.
Here, the priest was interested in examining Muhammad’s faithlessness towards his wives (though one would have thought the plural renders the notion of faithfulness moot), his sexually exploitative behavior, and his reliance on very obscene language.
First, Fr Botros spent some time discussing the well known story where the prophet betrayed his wife Hafsa with a slave-girl (Unfortunately, one cannot capture the hilarity with which the priest recounted this tale.)
In short, after sending Hafsa to visit her father, the latter, halfway there, realized that it was “her day”—that is, the day when, of all his wives, Muhammad would visit her for “conjugal relations.” She hurried back (Fr Botros added “She knew him well: if she wasn’t there on her day, he would go crazy and grab the first female passing by!”).
In fact, Hafsa caught Muhammad with a slave-girl on the former’s bed. Muhammad quickly evicted the slave-girl and told Hafsa that if she kept this between them, he would henceforth refrain from the slave-girl.
To no avail: Hafsa gabbed and soon all of Muhammad’s wives revolted against his incessant philandering; As Fr Botros put it, “When things got critical, Muhammad decided to drop a ‘new revelation’ on them; so he threw surat al-tahrim (66: 1-11) at them, wherein Allah supposedly chastises Muhammad for trying to please his wives by not sleeping around, threatening the wives to get in line lest the prophet divorce them—indeed, lest they all go to hell.”
Then, looking at the screen, Fr Botros asked, “Imagine, dear lady, if your husband asked you to go on errand and then you return before your time only to find him in bed with another woman? What sort of man would that make him in your eyes? Yet it’s worse—it’s your prophet, whom you all extol as the most perfect human, to be slavishly emulated!”
He then pointed out that “clever little Aisha knew him [Muhammad] well”: whenever such verses were revealed rescuing Muhammad, Aisha would often observe that “Verily, your lord [Allah] is ever quick to fulfill your whims and desires (e.g., al-Siyuti v.6, p.629).
Next the priest relayed an account portraying how the prophet sexually exploited a “retarded” woman. According to 23 sources (e.g., Sahih Muslim vol.4, p.1812) a feeble-minded woman came up to Muhammad saying, “O prophet of Allah! I have something for you.” He clandestinely met her out back and took this “something” from her.
Added Fr Botros: “I fear now that many believers will want to implement this sunna—don’t do it, guys, this is just to illustrate…. Listen you Muslims: don’t hate me for revealing all this to you; don’t lie in wait to kill me. I am merely revealing what your books contain. And, as always, we humbly await the great sheikhs and ulema to address these issues and show us where we went wrong.”
Next, Fr Botros discussed the sort of foul language Muhammad — the “greatest example” — employed: “Sorry, so sorry to reveal to you the sort of despicable language Muhammad used—language I am too ashamed to even mention. In fact, your prophet said one of the most obscene Arabic words—the equivalent of the ‘f-word’ [he counseled his Arabic viewers to google the "f-word" to understand what he was talking about]. “
Refusing to pronounce or spell this word, which he said appears in 67 books, including Sahih Bukhari, the text containing this word, “inkat-ha” — or, in context, Muhammad asking a man about a woman if he “f***** her” — was portrayed on the screen for all to read.
Then, “Quick! take that filth down! What would you Muslims do if the Sheikh of al Azhar went around using such language? Worse — it’s your prophet, the ‘greatest creation.’”
The host asked if Muhammad used any other foul language, to which the priest responded, “Oh, boy, did he ever; unfortunately this program is way too short to list them all.”
According to Qaid al-Qadir (v.1, p.381), Muhammad told Muslims to retort to uppity infidels by saying things like — again, he didn’t pronounce it, but the text appeared on the screen — “Go bite on your mother’s clitoris!” or, according to Zad al-Mi’ad (v.3, p305), “Go bite on your dad’s penis!”
Then, once again while shaking his head in sheer disappointment, “O prophet of Allah…prophet of Allah….Would that you would’ve heeded your lord Jesus’ counsel: ‘The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks’ (Luke 6:45).”
[Stay tuned for part VI of "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet"]
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God has a message of salvation and eternal life for humanity, but it has nothing to do with the “message” from Mo and his organ grinder (allah).
Otman, isn’t the Koran and the hadith self-evident since it only confirms the criminal perversions that your prophet pretender Moe engaged in?
Greetings Sheikh,
Father Botros is a Mother of lies.He is a a madman, scoundrel recalcitrant,misled man of religion now misleading his lost sheep/donkeys/ass.He is gutless coward not willing to let readers comment on his baselees accusation against the Quran.For the sake of truth, ASK HIM TO OPEN HIS THEQURAN.COM WEBSITE for comments.He failed against the Quran and he diverted to rumor mongering against the nessenger ( pbuh )A dastardly act of cowardice.
Father Zakaria Botros like his predecessors is a ball carrier to the Roman emperors Justin/Constantine .These Roman pagans devised a religion of absurd concepts of trinity and man-god and force it down the throats of Christendom’s popes and followers.The last time you guys had no choice.Now the internet expose yourselves to things the priests hid from their congregations.you just have to think.It’s no brainer actually,how can a mortal that goes to the toilet be a god?
We can assist your father Botros seive the filth from the divine sayings in your bible.That is by using the Quran.
Motman:
Father Botros is a man of great courage and standing. That’s why he has a bounty on his head for 50 million dollars from liars like you who want to kill him.
You, Motman, have not offered any evidence that Botros is wrong on any issue. But you have accused him and tried to smear him of being a liar like yourself.
Everything Botros says can be evidenced.
What have you got to offer besides personal attacks and smears?
Sheik,
As I said–all evidence are to be in The Quran.com.
We offer him peace and tranquility.He should refrain from fabricating
stories and slander.That is a wrong approach. Instead he should go preach love and good deeds to mankind and all creatures. If he minds his own business (religion ) without provoking others then nobody would want to harm him.
He must be able to play clean and fair.We Muslims generally do not bother about your faith and theology.I have many Christian friends.
They do not attack the Prophet ( pbuh ) and fabricate stories to discredit him.We have mutual respect for each other’s belief.We do not bully them even though we are the majority.
But if you stir the honest’s nest, be prepared for the consequence. Then we reserve our right to self defense–that is Jihad. I am exercising Jihad according to my capability that is refuting Father Zakaria’s false claims.Others may want to do more.
* They do not attack the Prophet ( pbuh ) and fabricate stories to discredit him.
Your vile god and its false prophet directly blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and deny His crucifixion.
Your vile god and its false prophet incite violence against Jews, Christians, infidels and anyone who does not submit to its power grab.
Islam is a cuckoo, attempting to kick out the truth of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ, and substituting the free gift of salvation with bondage, submission and an attempt to enter paradise through “good” works, such as but not limited to, blowing up for allah and taking infidels (and fellow muslims) with you.
Stir the hornets’ nest? allah and its false prophet have done much more than that – they have sown to the wind, and will reap the whirlwind – they will be destroyed.
Islam – the HOV lane on the highway to hell.
your request is noted, mr motman.
All evidence is in the Koran because it says so in the Koran.
I still don’t understand that reading from Koran & hadith is ” fabricating
stories and slander”- could you please be more precise? Also, please tell us where “Islam teaches mutual respect for others belief”- did I miss something? Its nice to know that you don’t bully Christians, but everyday we see them killed and raped and their churches burned, so somebody must be doing something wrong. Are you telling us its the Jews who are causing that?
And now you wanna go to jihad?
Still waiting for you to refute Father Zakarias ‘false claims’….
hey ben montana,
i read your nice comment and your arguement,about faher butros couragous truthful articuls coming from your ownbooks. prophit ,what amazing me about you guz that no matter what prove and truth we bring to you and put it in your own hand to read it and check it out you still in denial and ready for the kill and jihad in the name of Allah . all i ask for you to go and do your reading and bring it to us to proove us that its all lies and then we will listen to you and talk to you not kill you as you like to do to us or to father butros . what a different reaction betewen us and you. GOD BLESS YOU
Ben Motma
Clearly, you are not interested in the truth. Therefore, WE DARE YOU to come up with ONE shred of evidence that would demonstrate once and for all that Zacaria Botrous is a liar. Which of his episodes had done total injustice to your cult leader (whom by the way you worship). Did he not have lice? Did he not marry a 6 year-old and consummate the marriage when she was 9? Did not Ayesha drink his urine? Did he or did he not condone extramarital affairs? Did he not order and participate in the murder of 900 men and children? Did he not die of an ailment (so much for the “perfect man” heresy). You see, the burden of proof is on YOU! We have a suspect here (your cult) and all the evidence point to his guilt – it is HE who must prove otherwise. Understand?
And kindly STOP going off on tangents and stick to the core of the matter. It is YOUR cult that is going under the knife here, and NOT Christianity.
Hello Guys and Gals, hopefully no gays,
For the last time, I mention it again my rebuttals on everything the Mother of despicable lies dished out will be in The Quran.com .That is if his” eminence ” dare open up that site to comments.
If you guys understand it correctly, I do not wish to debate with minions (pawns /blind followers ) of the Great slanderer.I am after his “holiness ” fabrications on the Quran.Sonia et al, please get this clearly, my Jihad is to refute Father Zakaria’s false claims on the Quran.Others may want to do more and it’s up to them. Understand the concept of Jihad and you will understand that it is not only about killing .
The prophet is only a messenger and so are Isa, (Jesus ) Musa,( Moses )Ibrahim (Abraham ) Noh( Noah ).Peace be upon them all.Never are they god incarnate.Never.!These revered humans delivered messages on goodwills and mutual respects.If there are so called muslims committing rapes and burning house of worships they deserve to go to hell.
Sayonara (Japanese ) for goodbye.
Sayonara indeed.
You posted nonsensical drivel here several times, Motman. You were asked for proof and to stop mindless smears and slander.
You are unable to ‘refute’ anything because Father Botros knows Koran & hadith better than you.
You had your chance and you blew it.
Sayonara!
Dear Mr. Boutros,
I agree with so much of your ministry. God bless you for bringing the truth to the Muslims. I basically have one disagreement, and it is not directed at you specifically, but to anyone who allows themself to be called “Father”
Matthew 23:9 9And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Blessings
stop manipulating the Koran
just admit that you’re wrong
Koran is the real thing
and bible is a fake
I am taken aback by your keen academic scholarship, abc. Your profound statement there refutes anyone’s claims to the contrary.
Oh, well!
There is no point in arguing with you, but I’ll say this one thing in my Bible’s defense: Your cult leader even admitted to its authenticity and exhorted the likes of you to read it. The Bible offers you life and hope. It is the abc of life itself.
One of allah’s best and brightest.
Without deduction in YHWH Ruach one can not really read any
religious books in order to correctly induce their texts.
If you don’t have the discernment, than don’t try.
The quran has more errors than the Bible.
Mohammed was a sexual predator and a predator in general who enjoyed others submission to him as Allah’s partner.
Moslems make him into a god and worship this sexual pervert who enjoyed innumerable women, slave girls, children, men and a dead women.
There is no understanding why Moslems do not read their own texts and feel ashamed to call themselves Moslems.
Greetings People of the Book,
My observation is 83 years old is a risky age category.
Pope Benedict is 83 years old.That predator priest in Brazil on that highprofile paedophile case is 83 years old.I reckon Sheikh Yermami by the look of that caricature is also about that age.( HA,HA, HA )Oh yes, Father Zakaria Buttroast is on the way to achieving that age status.
I am not a psychologist but my gut feeling says all those years of celibacy are now taking its toll on the personalities and the” revered”
institution.There must be a solution ,man. One I can think of is NEVER
FABRICATE LIES, now that the table is turned, taste your own medicine and drink it .
otman, Motman, butt roast:
you still haven’t read the conditions for posting here, have you?
NEVER FABRICATE LIES: Islam is a lie and the truth is killing it!
Don’t miss: The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan
motman/otman/buttroast:
My soapbox, I make the rules.
You are welcome to point out any lies and I will correct them. Until then, read the conditions for posting here….
Islamic Homosexual Pederasty and Afghanistan’s “Dancing Boys.”
I’ve seen many references to books that only reflect the personal interpretation or understanding of tales that have been reported by their authors.
If you want to be credible, refer only to the Quran as it is the only authentic-proven source. A hadith could be always revisited even if available in a Sahih book as a hadith in any way should not contradict with the Quran instructions regarding ethical behaviour. I know there are a lot of spread legends and incorrect facts which were intentionally used by the father Zacharia to fill the purpose of the lecture. Like the 66 women the Prophet Pbuh used to have intercourse with. What is your source for that information ? Is it the Coran ? Surely not! It’s in one of the books where irreal is mixed to real. This is not a accurate scientific way of truth seeking. I would rather understand it’s only used to distort the image of Islam and its prophet.
You better defend the bible where most of the prophets are presented as the kings of incest.
sofien,
What you are saying has far reaching implications. You have just discredited ALL of your cult’s expository and historical writings as unrealiable, unrealistic and inaccurate. Do you realise what you are saying?
This only means one thing. Boutros has single-handedly unmasked the 1400 year-old lies of your cult by simply exposing your own writings. And now, you feel that your book is beyond reproach. I wouldn’t go that route if I were you, for your book is riddled with erroneous historical facts, let alone grammatical and other major contradictions. One example is the usage of more that 275 foreign words in various contexts which is in stark contradiction to its own claim of having been handed down in ‘pure Arabic’.
My advise to you sir is to keep the Bible out of this debate and inquisition. It is YOUR book and cult which is going under the knife here and it is YOU who has the burden of proof. It is very obvious however that you have been cornered and that your ONLY defense now is to divert attention away from your predicament by attacking the Bible. We are very familiar with your tactics (i.e. war is deceit)!
If you had any guts, you would ask God to reveal the truth to you.
sofien,
the Koran by itself is a bunch of incoherent, hateful rubbish.
Only read in context with sira & hadith does one begin to understand the evil which is Islam. The Islamic clerics take the Koran literally and preach from the hadith for context.
There is no such thing as “Islamic science”, the truth is ugly.
Islam is, always was and always will be, a blood cult that commands murder, sanctifies rape and slavery and orders the believers to kill and die to make Islam dominant. The only thing that matters in Islam is Islam itself. Islam has no redeeming features, it is based on hate and destruction of the other.
For many, even Muslims, too ugly to contemplate.
No. Its not us or Father Zakaria who ” distort the image of Islam and its prophet”.
The bible does not come into the equation and even though some biblical kings have committed incest, it is never condoned. Not in Judaism and not in Christianity.
In Islam we find the practice of incest widespread and rarely, if ever, condemned.
So where’s the beef?
“You better defend the bible where most of the prophets are presented as the kings of incest.”
sofien, you would do well to heed the prophecies of the prophets.
They will be fulfilled, and they have serious implications for muslims and those who follow false prophets such as Mo.
“The only thing that matters in Islam is Islam itself. Islam has no redeeming features, it is based on hate and destruction of the other.”
BUT you are still alive despite the exposure of your identity, you immigrant and have you scoundered the donations money and spent it in India.
“There is a wealth of information about the details of the life of Muhammad and his sayings that are recorded meticulously. Many of these accounts are embellished by exaggeration and are full of hyperbole. It is to be expected that believers would elevate the status of their prophet, falsely attribute miracles to him and make him look saintly. In the biography of Muhammad, however, we also find thousands of accounts that do not portray him as a holy man, but rather, depict him as vile, ruthless, cunning, and even as a sexual pervert. There is no reason to believe these stories are false. It is not characteristic of believers to portray their prophet as a villain. So if such stories exist, narrated by his companions, those who believed in him and loved him, in such large numbers, it is likely that they are true.
Traditions that are diffusely recurrent are called MUTAWATTIR. These traditions have come down to later generations through a large number of chains of narrations, involving diverse transmitters. It is virtually impossible that all these people, living in different localities and espousing (at times radically) different views, would come together, to fabricate the exact same lie and attribute it to their prophet.”
-Ali Sina, P#4 of “Understanding Muhammad – a psychobiography.”
;-)
many moslims dont understand there own twisted Quran , for even the Quran says isa ( jesus ) surely ye should die says allah and i shall Resurrect you , sura 2:61 , sura 19:33 , sura 3:54 , sura 5:68 , but in sura 4:157 it says they killed not isa ( jesus ) the son of mary ” so the Quran Contradicts it self all ready and cannot be trusted . why you must ask your selfs well very simple answer ” the virgin mary concieved jesus by the spirit of god and is called son of man in the quaran this word means ( son of god ) and a child is being given to us by god , Isaiah 9:6 , For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given ; and the government shall be upon his shoulders ; and his name shall be called wonderful , counsellor , the mighty god the everlasting father , the prince of peace . God came in the flesh in all humility to die for us , for god is not a god of the death but a god of the living and he Resurected jesus from the grave even its being saith in the Quran that jesus is the word of god , and what is that the Bible but the Quran says also that this book is corrupted . not in the words how i say it . for in the Quran its been saith in a diffrent way so Mohammed makes jesus a liar while the Bible says God dont can lie , for who is not acknowledge the son and the father is antichrist , 1 john 2:22:23 , who is a liar but he that denieth that jesus is the christ he is antichrist that denieth the father and the son whosoever denieth the son the same hath not the father but he that acknowledge the son hath the father also , have mohammed done this no so he is a false prophet a antichrist . no offense to all your moslims i love you all but you must realise that the iman mahdi according the hadith is coming back with isa ( jesus ) well very intresting subject . for the bible says that these two are the false prophet and false christ according to the Bible ” the antichrist brings a seven year false peace . and in the hadith it say its the iman mahdi . The Quran is false its a twisted book mixed up with truth and false statements …… only i can say to moslims compare a Quran with a Bible and you shall see the truth and for those who have read it and still think moses talked about mohammed are in great error for it was not mohammed what moses spoke of but Jesus , for this is what jesus saith in john 5:46 . for had ye believed moses ye would have believed me for he wrote of me , for all you moslims still taken this scripture out the bible , Deuteronomy 18:18 . i will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren , like unto thee , and will put , my words in his moulth ; and he shall speak unto them all that i shall command him . you moslims think its mohammed well all of you are wron why , here is the scripture , john 1:1 , in the beginning was the word , and the word was with god and the word was god , john 1:14 , And the word was made flesh , and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory the glory as of the only begotten of the father full of grace and truth , 1 timothy 3:16 , And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness ; god was manifest in the flesh justified in the spirit seen of angels preached unto the gentiles believed on in the world received up in to glory ……. so think about this moslims what is being written in your own Quran that jesus is the word of god , if you dont understand this then you are very ignorant or just hold on on your own brainwashed Quran of your false prophet no offense dont get me wrong , only i can say read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and read the whole Quran , and pray to jesus for wisdom . not allah for allah is just a pagan moon god , why Because of that idol worship dancing around the black stone in mecca , this is idol worship and GOD YHWH HATES IT , ITS PAGAN , so i say again read the whole Bible and whole Quran and see for your self waht is the truth , for just as i have saith the Quran says jesus is the word of god and is called the son of man , Emmanuel , this word means god who is with us , Jesus is God and if you dont believe me , i have all the mystery on paper who jesus realy is , by Gods will ye shall know the truth inshallah sallam allah cum
Matthew 1:22:23 .now all this was done , that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the lord by the prophet , saying behold , a virgin shall be with child , and shall bring forth a son , and they shall call his name Emannuel which being interpreted is god with us ,
Christianity is a sick death cult also, but it is currently the lesser of three evils (Islam, Scientology, Christianity). I do commend Boutros to speaking the truth about the Islamic Cult, but don’t forgot that Christianity and Scientology also preach hate, homophobia, and attempt to force religion laws on the secular world.
Christianity is not a belief based on hate, Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. The Islamic religion is a religion of hate, the Koran teaches that all Christians and Jews are to be put to death as are all other infidels. It is there in the koran; read it and then tell the world that Muslims are tolerant and peace loving.
This is all lies. The prophet was always modest, and never set even his eyes on any woman that wasn’t mehram for him.
May Allah curse the writer of this article
The “prophet” will face judgment from the God he mocked and blasphemed against. Any curse from “allah” will be nothing compared to Mo’s likely fate.
According to Mo the Angel Gabriel apperared to him. What he did not know is that it was actually Lucifer who had all the power to disguise himself any way he wanted. Angel Gabriel would never have appreared to Mo and tell him anything contradictory to the teachings of the one True God.
Thank you Farrid for your short message ” for what you say is true . it was not Gabriel but lucifer Satan him self , only i can say to muslims Compare , A Quran with the Bible and read them bove from cover to cover , …….. and the best way is also to read the Bukhari , and Hadith ….. then probely muslims will realise that there religion is a false one , Why because its not a religion but a cult …. otherwise the Quran have not saith kill the infidels kill the jahouds ( jews ) kill The Mushkarin ( christians ) , muslims must ask them self this Question from who are coming these words …….. And why is The Quran saying that Sharia law must rule over the Entire world ( stone women ) some one who steal Cut of there arm , and any body who insult the Prophet Muhammed must be Beheaded , or if a muslim walks away from islam , he must be Executed ……. this is what the hadith says …. in other words
I , I AM
S , SATAN
L , LEARN
A , ABOUT
M , ME
” Muslims are fooled by Iblis Satan him self , they worship and honor muhhamed above jesus . Bishmillah …. there is no god then allah and muhammed is his Prophet ……. and another thing is Muslims must ask them self this if they have a Mind to think ( brains ) …. Mecca the black stone the Quran says that ones in a live time evry muslim pelgrim must visit one,s mecca . well muslims Question ……… Seven times you must circel around the black stone ,,, kiss the little black stone what looks like A Virgina ,,,,, is this not idol worship paganism , well the Quran instructs also that this is forbidden ……. you muslims are in deep trouble …. no offense , only i can say go read the hadith go read the Bukhari go read the wh0le Quran go read the whole Bible ,,,,, and you shall see that Islam is not the Truth !!!!!!!!!!!!! father the son and the Holyghost , ( the father is the Holyghost the son is concieved in mary her womb by the spirit of god ……. the Father holyghost jesus is the word ….. Bible ……. and this is what the Trininty is . father son holyghost .. Bless you farrid in the name of the only begotten son of the father , for as the Father is in the son so is the son in the Father . take care brother for probely you are a former muslim because of your name farrid ? thank god if so for the truth shall set you free indeed , Amen hallelujah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ben Motman
You are speaking the truth Brother. Don’t listen to these haters they are speaking out of their asses. I mean name one time were Muslims made fun of christianity. NEVER. Because we respect your religion and prophet. Yea we have different beliefs but all in all its the same concept. And actually Father Botros is a pedophile homosexual gay faggot. When on earth did he do that you (Bostros) probbly reaD DIFFERENT hADITHS and for a fact about the food thing that is toatl bull shit
* Don’t listen to these haters they are speaking out of their asses.
Heed the words of Jesus Christ, the Son of God:
“I am the Way,” replied Jesus, “and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)
islam is an HOV lane on the Tollway to Hell, and the toll you must pay to use it is your soul. Submission to allah and its false prophet is simply too much to pay.
Mo claimed the angle Gabriel dictated the Qur’an to him, and the Qur’an claims Mo is the best of creation…. Well, Prophets of the Bible Abraham,Moses etc received their messages DIRECT from God; no intermediary, That atleast, places them on a higher pedestal with God than Mo. So Mo couldn’t be better than them. Somewhere in the Bible,(Galatians. I think); Jesus warned Christians that even if He(Christ) Himself or an Angel should appear after him and declare a message different from what He’s already said; no one should believe that message.. Again, Christ did warn of false prophets and the devil disguising as angels that will come after Him to mislead people…….
The Qu’ran is full of contradictions as well. Mary the mother of Jesus is referred to as the sister of Aron i.e Haroun!!! This couldn’t be, because Aron and Jesus are separated in history by more than two thousand years!! Now, even if this is the only error in the Qur’an, it proves that the Qur’an is not the word of God, since moslems believe that the Qur’an existed on a tablet of stone in Heaven even before Mo. God surely knows Aron lived long before Mary was born. The Qur’an as far as I’m concerned was a very poor attempt at plagiarising the Bible!!
Thankyou sir, for giving us uncensored garbage about islam and the prophet. Maybe a few more exposes like this help us to nullify the claims of muslim apologists. Also being an egyptian coptic arabic speaker himself, the priest probably has a better understanding of the scriptures.
Thanks again.
P.S. I am going to circulate this URL to all I know.
i will not say any thing except that you are crazy and don’t know any thing about Islam also all your sources are faked absolutely and i hope you became more respectful because you are impolite
Perhaps you could supply some genuine sources, ahmed? Meanwhile, the faked sources provided by allah and its followers will have to suffice, such as but not limited to:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Doesn’t really matter what allah and its followers say, it is what God says that matters, in this life and the next:
“Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. (Isaiah 45:22)
allah lied. people died.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 27, 2011
HAVE THE KORAN, HADITH, AND SIRA BEEN CORRUPTED BY JEWS?
Muslims say there are errors in the Bible, and that these errors are the result of the Bible having been “corrupted by Jews”.
These errors are called Tahrif, and they include:
1) God ordering Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac (Muslims say it was not Isaac, but Ishmael whom God ordered Abraham to sacrifice), after which God told Abraham, ” “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” with Genesis 22:8 declaring, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering”
2) Regarding the identity of Jesus, the Qur’an says, “They indeed disbelieve who say: ‘Surely, Allah – He is the Messiah.’” (Surah 5:17, see also 5:72), whereas, obviously Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah, the only begotten Son of God, and the Word become flesh
3) Regarding the crucifixion of Jesus, the Qur’an says, “They killed him (Jesus) not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such.” (Surah 4:157), whereas clearly, in the Bible, Jesus was crucified and died for the sins of the world. For Christians, this sacrifice is the central event in the history of the world, and is the Cornerstone of the Biblical story.
In all three of the above incidents, Muslims directly contradict the central story of the Bible, God’s willingness to provide the needed sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.
To believing Christians, this is tantamount to blasphemy. But, to non-believers, these changes would not be offensive, but would be merely tweaks in the storyline.
But, the Islamic Holy Scriptures themselves contain some very specific claims about the life of Mohammed which, if wrong, are not mere “tweaks” in the storyline, but are, most of them, disgusting abominations, whether true or not:
For instance,
1) Mohammed allowed a man to kiss him “from his bellybutton to his armpits”
2) Mohammed had gay sex with a man (not that there’s anything wrong with that)
3) Mohammed used to suck on the tongues of young boys and girls
4) Mohammed did not die until he had sex with every woman he ever desired
5) Mohammed sexually “admired” 2-3 year old girl, declaring that the would one day marry her
6) Mohammed liked to wear women’s clothing
7) Mohammed had sex with a mentally handicapped woman
8) Mohammed told his followers to tell uppity Infidels, “go bite your mother’s clit – go bite your father’s penis”
9) Mohammed apparently had sex with a dead woman
So, my question is – as these stories all come from the Sira and the Hadith, which are Islamic Holy Scriptures – have the Islamic Holy Scriptures been corrupted by Jews?
Dear Fr. Boutros,
Greetings to you,
I have heard a lot about you and I thank God for your life and ministry.
I am a Baptist pastor in Ontario, Canada.
We are planning to expand our outreach program to non-Christians with special focus on Muslims and we need to have your blessing in some way.
I will be looking forward to hearing from you before I say any more.
In Master’s Love,
Pastor Gill
This is just a narration by a man full of jealousy against the prophets… This is most certainly expected of a person who joined a faith belonging to the people who had always blasphemeth God Almighty and his Mighty Messengers. Read the Bible with its stories of incest and adultery and keep your minds filled with filth…. In comparison to that none of these incidents or narrations indicate any illeglity or absurdity….. So nothing very serious in it…. May God Almighty render you all the true path to follow… Ameen
No narration.
Your scriptures!
Your example of the perfect man, to be emulated by every Muselman, for all time.
The Bible with its stories of incest and adultery?
You haven’t got a clue, mate.
A historical record perhaps, a warning of what not to do, but not an example for all mankind to follow for all time.
* May God Almighty render you all the true path to follow…
“Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it.” (Matthew 7:13 – 14)
Do you seriously believe that 1.x billion muslims have found the narrow gate, given that everyone is born muslim according to the false prophet Mohammed (Permanently Bound Unto Hell).
LUST-EGO-GREED-JALOUSY-ANGER
Sharia- God’s law – hell on earth
And muss muss is bad mkeey..
Guys guys guys!!! I know the Bible is 100% true and we need to spread it to the whole world but it is gonna be so much better if we do it with love patience and kindness. When you insult and mock, the fruit of the spirit is not in you. Remember, no matter what he faced Jesus never resorted to the evils we practice. We are making a mistake by using bad words and mockery. We must expose the lies and truth without tampering anything but there has got to be love in us! Show love in everything you do… God bless!
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