Comments on: The Myth of Islamic Civilization and Science http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:23:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Wastrel http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-359381 Wastrel Mon, 07 Mar 2011 04:31:55 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-359381 Quote: Algebra did not exist before Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi developed it in his book, The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing. end quote. I don't know what you are quoting. I can't even tell if you are serious. Regarding Muhammed ibm Musa: "In Renaissance Europe he was considered the original inventor of algebra, although we now know that his work is based on older Indian or Greek sources. (Toomer, Gerald (1990). "Al-Khwārizmī, Abu Jaʿfar Muḥammad ibn Mūsā". In Gillispie, Charles Coulston. Dictionary of Scientific Biography. 7. New York: Charles Scribner's Sons. ISBN 0-684-16962-2.) cited in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%E1%B8%A5ammad_ibn_M%C5%ABs%C4%81_al-Khw%C4%81rizm%C4%AB The Greeks and Romans certainly had a sort of math that approached calculus -- their feats of engineering would have been impossible otherwise. The Indians probably did, as well. Formalizing it was the work of Newton and Leibniz. It's been an interesting weekend. I think I'll close this page. Quote:
Algebra did not exist before Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi developed it in his book, The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing.
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I don’t know what you are quoting. I can’t even tell if you are serious.

Regarding Muhammed ibm Musa: “In Renaissance Europe he was considered the original inventor of algebra, although we now know that his work is based on older Indian or Greek sources. (Toomer, Gerald (1990). “Al-Khwārizmī, Abu Jaʿfar Muḥammad ibn Mūsā”. In Gillispie, Charles Coulston. Dictionary of Scientific Biography. 7. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons. ISBN 0-684-16962-2.) cited in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%E1%B8%A5ammad_ibn_M%C5%ABs%C4%81_al-Khw%C4%81rizm%C4%AB

The Greeks and Romans certainly had a sort of math that approached calculus — their feats of engineering would have been impossible otherwise. The Indians probably did, as well. Formalizing it was the work of Newton and Leibniz. It’s been an interesting weekend. I think I’ll close this page.

]]> By: eib http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-359242 eib Sun, 06 Mar 2011 23:47:59 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-359242 Quote: Algebra did not exist before Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi developed it in his book, The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing. end quote. And calculus did not exist before .... Quote:
Algebra did not exist before Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi developed it in his book, The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing.
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And calculus did not exist before ….

]]> By: Wastrel http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-359118 Wastrel Sun, 06 Mar 2011 21:35:55 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-359118 I just went around and around with Scientific American on this subject. Scientific American apparently does not take kindly to criticism of their articles. My objection in the form of a comment on the article was deleted and I am no longer welcome there. My response to a misguided person who answered me remains. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=forgotten-history-muslim-scientists This article was about an exhibit in New York that repeated all the misinformation that Muslim children are taught in madrassas, in the generally successful attempt to make them believe that Islam is perfect and it has done everything important in the history of man. Although we know that they did not invent human rights or democratic government, someday they will claim to have done so. I just went around and around with Scientific American on this subject. Scientific American apparently does not take kindly to criticism of their articles. My objection in the form of a comment on the article was deleted and I am no longer welcome there. My response to a misguided person who answered me remains.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=forgotten-history-muslim-scientists

This article was about an exhibit in New York that repeated all the misinformation that Muslim children are taught in madrassas, in the generally successful attempt to make them believe that Islam is perfect and it has done everything important in the history of man. Although we know that they did not invent human rights or democratic government, someday they will claim to have done so.

]]> By: kaw http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-227487 kaw Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:43:31 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-227487 Bradley Steffans, You are incorrect in all your points. Credit for development for all of the mathematics and technique of science you mention goes to other civilisations - in particular the early Hindus contributed very significantly to mathematics. The most famous muslim mathematician, not an arab but a Persian, made their work available to other (he did make some contributions himself). The scientific method is directly traced to the Greeks. I suggest you do a little more reading. Bradley Steffans,
You are incorrect in all your points. Credit for development for all of the mathematics and technique of science you mention goes to other civilisations – in particular the early Hindus contributed very significantly to mathematics. The most famous muslim mathematician, not an arab but a Persian, made their work available to other (he did make some contributions himself). The scientific method is directly traced to the Greeks. I suggest you do a little more reading.

]]> By: GodsSeer http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-227483 GodsSeer Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:28:07 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-227483 I am not surprised that Muslims have blocked out these videos. Censorship is required in Islam to promote its lies. As Allah said, ''Do not ask questions as some did and left Islam'' The God of truth does not fear information because He is confident that truth does not need to be protected from lies. It will stand on its own veracity AND POWER and Satan, even with his censorship, will not prevail. Satan knows his time is short, and he is working overtime to push his lies and shut out the True Living Word of God, the Bible. Re 12:12 ¶ "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." And as was told to John by Jesus; Re 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Allah boasts in being the best deceiver, and the MOST proud one, In the Bible, both titles were given to Satan. I am not surprised that Muslims have blocked out these videos. Censorship is required in Islam to promote its lies. As Allah said, ”Do not ask questions as some did and left Islam” The God of truth does not fear information because He is confident that truth does not need to be protected from lies. It will stand on its own veracity AND POWER and Satan, even with his censorship, will not prevail.
Satan knows his time is short, and he is working overtime to push his lies and shut out the True Living Word of God, the Bible. Re 12:12 ¶ “Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
And as was told to John by Jesus; Re 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Allah boasts in being the best deceiver, and the MOST proud one, In the Bible, both titles were given to Satan.

]]> By: jimmy crackcorn and I dont care http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-37954 jimmy crackcorn and I dont care Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:53:09 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-37954 muslims have not contributed a single scientific discovery or educational discovery they stole everything from the rest of real civilisations ban islam ban islamic migration deport all muslism now muslims have not contributed a single scientific discovery or educational discovery they stole everything from the rest of real civilisations
ban islam
ban islamic migration
deport all muslism now

]]> By: sheikyermami http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-37780 sheikyermami Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:43:15 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-37780 3 links for you, Bradley Steffens: http://jihadwatch.org/archives/019354.php http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018746.php http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4D818187-782D-4AA9-BEFA-64C5A00D9677 3 links for you, Bradley Steffens:

http://jihadwatch.org/archives/019354.php

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018746.php

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4D818187-782D-4AA9-BEFA-64C5A00D9677

]]> By: Lou http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-37779 Lou Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:40:29 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-37779 Contrary to your suggestion that Muslims simply accepted a storehouse of knowledge, Ibn al-Haytham pointedly challenged the accumulated wisdom and insisted on independent discovery of truths through experimentation. “The seeker after truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them,” he wrote, “but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration...................... But you make our point exactly! In Islam, there is no study, no questioning. The koran is the word of god and therefore perfect - period. I say that if the earth is round, the koran is wrong - because the earth is flat in the koran. Contrary to your suggestion that Muslims simply accepted a storehouse of knowledge, Ibn al-Haytham pointedly challenged the accumulated wisdom and insisted on independent discovery of truths through experimentation. “The seeker after truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them,” he wrote, “but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration………………….

But you make our point exactly! In Islam, there is no study, no questioning. The koran is the word of god and therefore perfect – period. I say that if the earth is round, the koran is wrong – because the earth is flat in the koran.

]]> By: Bradley Steffens http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-37697 Bradley Steffens Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:10:55 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/2008/04/10/the-myth-of-islamic-civilization-and-science/#comment-37697 I cannot agree with your statement that "cultural superiority of the Middle East in relations to Europe did not begin with Islam’s entry into the area. In fact, it ended with it." Algebra did not exist before Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi developed it in his book, <i>The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing</i>. Analytic geometry did not exist until Ibn al-Haytham developed it. Most importantly, the scientific method, with its emphasis on the systematic testing of hypotheses with discreet, verifiable experiments, did not exist until Ibn al-Haytham introduced it in <i>Kitāb al-Manāzir</i>, (<i>Book of Optics</i>). Contrary to your suggestion that Muslims simply accepted a storehouse of knowledge, Ibn al-Haytham pointedly challenged the accumulated wisdom and insisted on independent discovery of truths through experimentation. "The seeker after truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them," he wrote, "but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration." As I point out in my book <i><a href="http://www.ibnalhaytham.net" rel="nofollow">Ibn al-Haytham</a>: <a href="http://www.ibnalhaytham.net" rel="nofollow">First Scientist</a></i>, the world's first full biography of the scholar known in the West as <a href="http://www.ibnalhaytham.net" rel="nofollow">Alhazen</a>, European scholars such as Roger Bacon, John Peacham, and Erazmus Witelo did not arrive at the scientific method independently. All three of those scholars wrote summaries of <i>De Aspectibus</i>, the Latin translation of <i>Kitāb al-Manāzir</i> and adopted the methodology it demonstrated, repeating Ibn al-Haytham's experiments step by step and sometimes word for word. The scientific method did not merely advance the understanding of the physical world. It provided a new standard for establishing truth in general. No longer would mere opinions, rhetoric, authorities, or even logic be sufficient to establish the truth regarding any phenomenon. The Europeans began to expect facts to be backed with tangible, physical proof, arrived at objectively, using the scientific method developed by Ibn al-Haytham. I cannot agree with your statement that “cultural superiority of the Middle East in relations to Europe did not begin with Islam’s entry into the area. In fact, it ended with it.” Algebra did not exist before Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi developed it in his book, The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing. Analytic geometry did not exist until Ibn al-Haytham developed it. Most importantly, the scientific method, with its emphasis on the systematic testing of hypotheses with discreet, verifiable experiments, did not exist until Ibn al-Haytham introduced it in Kitāb al-Manāzir, (Book of Optics). Contrary to your suggestion that Muslims simply accepted a storehouse of knowledge, Ibn al-Haytham pointedly challenged the accumulated wisdom and insisted on independent discovery of truths through experimentation. “The seeker after truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them,” he wrote, “but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration.” As I point out in my book Ibn al-Haytham: First Scientist, the world’s first full biography of the scholar known in the West as Alhazen, European scholars such as Roger Bacon, John Peacham, and Erazmus Witelo did not arrive at the scientific method independently. All three of those scholars wrote summaries of De Aspectibus, the Latin translation of Kitāb al-Manāzir and adopted the methodology it demonstrated, repeating Ibn al-Haytham’s experiments step by step and sometimes word for word. The scientific method did not merely advance the understanding of the physical world. It provided a new standard for establishing truth in general. No longer would mere opinions, rhetoric, authorities, or even logic be sufficient to establish the truth regarding any phenomenon. The Europeans began to expect facts to be backed with tangible, physical proof, arrived at objectively, using the scientific method developed by Ibn al-Haytham.

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