Asshole of the Month: Archdhimmi of Canterbury

by sheikyermami on July 16, 2008

‘Christian doctrine is offensive to Muslims’

* No wonder the Anglican church is on the way out. With a fuckwit like him on the helm they look more like ‘das Narrenschiff’ or the Titanic…

The Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams has admitted that Christian doctrine is offensive to muslims

Mail Online

* Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali: Radical Islam is filling void left by collapse of Christianity in UK

* Link to DW

Dr Rowan Williams also criticised Christianity’s history for its violence, its use of harsh punishments and its betrayal of its peaceful principles.

His comments came in a highly conciliatory letter to Islamic leaders calling for an alliance between the two faiths for ‘the common good’.

* Rumor has it that some Islamic clerics died laughing when they heard that…

*  ”Common Good” for Muslims means  sharia, submission to Islam. Nothing more, nothing less…

But it risked fresh controversy for the Archbishop in the wake of his pronouncement earlier this year that a place should be found for Islamic sharia law in the British legal system.

Dr Williams is also facing immense pressures from inside his own Church of England and Anglican Communion.

A gathering of Anglican bishops from around the world, which begins today, is on the brink of a devastating split over whether homosexuality and gay clergy should win their approval.

The Archbishop’s letter is a reply to feelers to Christians put out by Islamic leaders from 43 countries last autumn.

In it, Dr Williams said violence is incompatible with the beliefs of either faith and that, once that principle is accepted, both can work together against poverty and prejudice and to help the environment.

He also said the Christian belief in the Trinity – that God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost at the same time – ‘is difficult, sometimes offensive, to Muslims’.

Trinitarian doctrine conflicts with the Islamic view that there is just one all-powerful God.

* NOT. There is only one God in Christianity and in Judaism. Muhammedanism could be called a Trinity because they worship Muhammad, his alter ego called ‘Al-Ilha’, and the Koran.

A PENSIONER ripped a veil from a Muslim woman in a South Tyneside supermarket.
The 79-year-old approached the woman as she shopped in Asda, in Ocean Road, at around 11.45am yesterday.

She asked her to remove her veil and started to question her religion.
When the 45-year-old refused to take off her veil, the pensioner ripped it from her face.
The pensioner, from South Shields, was detained in the store and police were called. 
She received a police caution for racial aggravated assault. (Which race is Islam again?)

Dr Williams added: ‘It is all the more important for the sake of open and careful dialogue that we try to clarify what we do and do not mean by it, and so I trust that what follows will be read in this spirit.’

He told Muslim leaders that faith has no connection with political power or force, and that Christians have in the past betrayed this idea.

‘Christianity has been promoted at the point of the sword and legally supported by extreme sanctions,’ Dr Williams said.

Islam, he continued, has been supported in the same way and ‘there is no religious tradition whose history is exempt from such temptation and such failure.’

The Archbishop appeared to rebuke his colleague, Bishop of Rochester Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, who criticised his sharia lecture and who maintains that Christianity is central to British law, politics and society.

‘Religious identity has often been confused with cultural or national integrity, with structures of social control, with class and regional identities, with empire: and it has been imposed in the interest of all these and other forms of power,’ he said.

The Archbishop said that faiths which reject the use of violence should learn to defend each other in their mutual interest.

‘If we are in the habit of defending each other, we ought to be able to learn to defend other groups and communities as well,’ he said.

‘We can together speak for those who have no voice or leverage in society – for the poorest, the most despised, the least powerful, for women and children, for migrants and minorities; and even to speak together for the great encompassing reality that has no voice of its own, our injured and abused material environment.’

The Archbishop did not mention sharia at all in his closely-argued 18-page letter. Dr Williams was heavily criticised by MPs and Downing Street after he suggested sharia law could have an established place in British life.

But his letter in reply to last year’s Islamic approach, A Common Word for the Common Good, chimes with his view expressed in February that people of faith should be able to work together against secularism despite their differences.

Lambeth Palace hinted that Christians as well as Muslims should listen to Dr Williams’ message.

Officials pointed to the Archbishop’s call for ‘religious plurality’ to turn to serving the common good and added: ‘This is true even where truth claims may seem irreconcilable’.

A number of conservative and evangelical Anglican bishops are poised to break away from the 400-year-old network of Anglican churches around the world because they believe homosexual behaviour is incompatible with Christian principles.

Among those expected to boycott the Lambeth Conference in Canterbury is Dr Nazir-Ali, whose seat in Rochester is just  20 miles away.

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Joe Grey July 16, 2008 at 5:46 am

Moslem attacks Christian…..

Williams: “Christian beats Moslem’s fists with his face”

Joe Grey July 16, 2008 at 5:58 am

Rowan Williams, a_shole of the month:

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Joe Grey July 16, 2008 at 6:19 am

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urban11 July 16, 2008 at 8:36 am

Let this man’s severe mental health issues serve as a dire warning to the youth of today that a coctail of left wing politics and mind altering drugs will have a devastating effect on one’s ability to function as a rational human being in later life.

John July 16, 2008 at 8:53 am

He is right in one respect, Christian doctrine is offensive to muslims. Along with free speech, equality for women, dogs, bare flesh, music, alcohol …….etc etc etc ….

His big mistake is compromising. Wherever a church or church representative (or any Christian for that matter) has compromised it is like a chink in the armour that the enemy takes advantage of.

A message for all you true believers, don’t compromise, Jesus never did.

A message for all who loathe islam, don’t compromise. It is an ideology that is at complete odds with modern civilisation.

ISLAMSFORLOSERS July 16, 2008 at 2:39 pm

1) What isn’t offensive to Islamania? They don’t care how offensive they are so why should this bother any Christian?

2)Christians offend by merely being around. Koranists offend by nonstop killing, raping, stealing and destroying.

3)Williams should resign-he’s doing a great disservice to his followers with his spewing of such BS.

ciccio July 16, 2008 at 4:16 pm

He is quite right, in the muzzie world Christianity is offensive. Therefore in the West, Islam should be found equally offensive. Fair is fair, inter-community relations is not a one way street.

A. Nonymous July 16, 2008 at 7:40 pm

Which race is Islam again?

Again: Arabs are Semites!

sheikyermami July 16, 2008 at 9:04 pm

So, A.Nonymous,

you’re telling us that every Muslim is (or somehow becomes) an Arab? Weird.

Try it, see if it works…

suprkufr July 17, 2008 at 9:43 am

Can this quarterwit dress himself? In the first place, there ARE religious traditions whose “history is exempt from such temptation and such failure.” Ever heard of the Ba’hai (90% of whom were slaughtered by iranian moslems while the remaining 10% were forced to flee the country)? How about the Quakers? Or the Bhuddists? Isn’t an archbishop supposed to know something about religion?
Furthermore, hasn’t this genius noticed that Christians and other faiths stopped resorting to the sword decades, even centuries ago? What’s the story on the sand weasels? Has he read the koran? (Can he read?)
I am not an Anglican, but I hope for their sake that there will be a decisive schism at the Lambeth conference: the rank and file need to rid their church of all these space chickens who are turning their magnificent religious tradition into a traitorous freak show. Williams and his pals can flounce off to Timothy Leary land and leave the sane members in peace to carry on as before.
As far as I’m concerned, Williams is the asshole of the millenium.

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