Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right

*  It is quite encouraging that the provost of Southern California University comes out publicly and denounces Muhammads teachings as ‘truly despicable’- but having them removed doesn’t change the doctrine. Removal is censorship, and censorship is no cure. It  merely prevents those who want to learn about how awful and vile this belief-system is from accessing those texts.

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University of Southern California provost: Muhammad’s words “truly despicable”

*  Robert Spencer:

The US News and World Report blog picks up on the USC MSA’s removal of the genocidal ahadith — at least some of them — after we at the David Horowitz Freedom Center called upon them to renounce these Islamic teachings. When I posted about this before, many people missed the point. They lamented that these texts would no longer be available, and that taqiyya artists would attempt to claim that they did not exist.

That would be hard to do. The texts exist all over the place. You can find them online here and elsewhere. A taqiyya artist would have to have a deeply naive and stupid audience (of course, there are plenty of such audiences for taqiyya artists) to convince them that because these ahadith do not appear on one site, that Muslims reject them or that they do not exist.

The point here is that for the first time that I know of, a university administrator has gone on record calling words of the prophet of Islam “despicable.” This is an astounding departure from the political correctness that shackles our universities today, and opens the door for more pressure to be placed on Muslim groups in the United States to renounce, in deed as well as in word, the doctrines of jihad violence and Islamic supremacism. (They will never renounce, since jihad and Islamic supremacism is the essence of Islam. Neither can exist without the other/ed)

Of course, no one thinks that the USC MSA has done that. In this article they’re complaining bitterly about having to remove the material, and making specious comparisons to material in the Old Testament — as if Jewish or Christian terrorists were quoting the Book of Joshua to justify violence around the world today. This is not the end of the struggle. But it is a beginning.

Here, by the way, are the ahadith that were removed:

Book 041, Number 6981:Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.

Book 041, Number 6982:

Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):” There is a Jew behind me.”

Book 041, Number 6983:

Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

Book 041, Number 6984:

Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

Book 041, Number 6985:

Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

 

Islamic leaders quote this material frequently — further refuting the Bible analogy, and demonstrating the urgency of keeping the pressure on Muslim groups to repudiate this material.

More on this story. “Religious Texts Taken Down After Complaints,” from the US News and World Report blog, September 5:

Muslim students are crying foul after the University of Southern California’s provost took down historical documents that call for Muslims to kill Jewish people from a student group’s site, the Daily Trojan reports. The documents come from a collection of scriptures known as hadiths, the words of Muhammad not included in the Quran. These hadiths, which include thousands of noninflammatory principles, were posted in their entirety on the school’s server as part of the defunct Muslim Student Association’s website.The provost said that “the passage cited is truly despicable…. We did some investigations and have ordered the passage to be removed.” But the Muslim Student Union, the dominant Muslim student group at USC, accused the university of censorship, calling the take-down “unprecedented and unconscionable.”

“We are outraged at the censorship of a complete religious and classic text without consulting us or any religious authority first,” the group said in the statement. “The ‘compendium’ is now incomplete. There are verses in many religious texts (be it the Torah or the New Testament) that when taken out of context can be taken as offensive.”

Supporters of the move defend the provost’s actions. “It may be part of the religious canon, but that doesn’t make them less hateful,” said David Horowitz, who has lobbied a number of schools to remove the “hadiths of hate,” as he calls them, from their websites. Horowitz says this is the first he’s heard of a university taking down documents after community members complained.

*****Update*****

USC Muslim students: “We are outraged at the censorship of a complete religious and classic text without consulting us or any religious authority first”

Nor does the fact that the “religious” and “classic” Muslim text in question promotes the genocide of Jews seem to matter much to these “outraged” Muslims. More on this story.

“Deleted site causes stir for Muslim organization: Provost Nikias takes down posted documents calling on Muslims to kill Jews,” by Ashley Archibald for the rong>Daily Trojan, September 5:

Provost C. L. Max Nikias has approved the deletion of part of a Muslim student group website that hosted religious documents urging Muslims to kill Jewish people. The material was removed from a collection of scriptures known as hadiths, historical sayings of the Prophet Muhammad not included in the Quran. The hadith in question, along with thousands of others, are hosted in their entirety on a USC server as part of the now defunct Muslim Student Association’s website. 

Nikias first heard of the hadiths’ phrasing when Rabbi Aron Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human-rights organization, approached USC trustee Alan Casden with his concerns. Hier was troubled by five hadiths advocating Muslim violence against Jews to hasten the coming of the “final hour.”

Nikias reviewed the site, and responded that “the passage cited is truly despicable. … We did some investigations and have ordered the passage to be removed.”

Members of the Muslim Student Union, which is the dominant Muslim student organization on campus but which is not associated with the MSA [officially, anyway], declined to be interviewed, but in a statement, they called Nikias’ actions “unprecedented and unconscionable” and said they amounted to unwarranted censorship. Nikias did not consult the group before he took down the hadith, they said.

Really, what sort of dhimmi does not consult his Islamic overlords? Not a good one obviously.

“We are outraged at the censorship of a complete religious and classic text without consulting us or any religious authority first,” the group said in the statement. “The ‘compendium’ is now incomplete. There are verses in many religious texts (be it the Torah or the New Testament) that when taken out of context can be taken as offensive. 

“USC, as a place of higher education, has prided itself on academic freedom and freedom of speech, and their censorship on this issue is unprecedented and unconscionable. …The administration’s actions have gone behind the backs of their students and we have been left in the dark.”

David Horowitz, head of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, said that similar hadiths exist on Muslim Student Association websites across that country. This was one of the first times the “hadith of hate” was taken down due to his advocacy, he said.

“My staff goes through Muslim Student Association websites, and one of the things we’re critical of is that they have statements to incite violence,” Horowitz said. “For this particular hadith, this is the first time we’ve gotten a response from administration.”

Horowitz called the MSA a radical group.

“The MSA pretends to be a religious organization but it is nothing of the kind,” he said. “It’s an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

[…]

Horowitz said the message of the hadiths overshadowed the context of how they were taken down.

“It may be part of the religious canon, but that doesn’t make them less hateful,” he said.

 

 

2 thoughts on “Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right”

  1. Thank you! I commented to that effect too on jihadwatch. The problem is now many infidels won’t know what they teach. Well, there are plenty of violence still left in (I guess they wouldn’t have too much left if they took out all the disgusting stuff), but the muslims will still go on as usual – while the infidels will become more ignorant.

  2. While freedom of speech is an important concept it does not mean that disseminating any speech is free. For example Maclean’s Magazine in Canada declined to publish the “sock puppets” retort to Mark Steyns article “The Future Belongs to Islam.” They complained to various human rights commissions, so far to no avail, that they were denied freedom of speech. Let them publish their own magazine if they wish, but a private publisher has no legal obligation to publish whatever drivel sent them. The administrator of any website, indeed this one, has the right to delete any posting, again even this one, for any reason or no reason.
    Let those who wish to publish these “hadiths of hate” do so on their own dime and pay for their own Internet server, news magazine or whatever. That is freedom of speech.

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