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CO-OPERATION: Devon and Cornwall police chief constable Stephen Otter (centre) with Mohammed Khaliel, adviser on Muslim religious matters and radicalisation, with Black Police Association executive officer Jaysan Charles
* He said holding radical views was not illegal or dangerous “until it turns into violence”, and that both police and security services had to determine when it was right to intervene.
*Â Terry Bissessar, chair of the Devon and Cornwall BPA, said the association had noted the backlash against Muslims in the wake of the London bombings and believed it was important the South West learned lessons quickly.
There is no end to this: stupidity and cupidity go hand in hand:
Police are briefed by Islam expert
Devon and Cornwall Constabulary’s Black Police Association (BPA) arranged the conference, entitled “The Police, Muslims and Radicalisation” as far back as February this year, three months before the Exeter bombing took place.
By coincidence the briefing by Mohammed Khaliel â€“ for officers from every sector of the force, including Special Branch, CID, traffic and those who worked on the investigation into Plymouth terrorist Nicky Reilly â€“ came just days after Reilly admitted his crime.
Chief Constable Stephen Otter echoed the words spoken to the Herald last week by Mohamed El M’hamdi, director of the Plymouth Islamic Education Trust, who said that the bombing had actually brought Plymouth’s different faith groups closer together.
* There you go: stoopid is as stoopid does…
Chief Constable Otter said the incident brought the Muslim community and other groups “closer” and recognised how Plymouth people had been “remarkably open minded” following the bombing.
He said: “There’s a real sense of solidarity against this [incident]. It is good to take this opportunity to say that there’s more we can do and more we can learn.”
He believed there was “complexity” around the discussion young people may have about radicalisation.
He said holding radical views was not illegal or dangerous “until it turns into violence”, and that both police and security services had to determine when it was right to intervene.
Mr Khaliel, who is on the Scotland Yard Muslim forum and trains police officers all over the UK, said the aim was to answer a list of concerns put to him by not just police but members of other groups as well.
He said the day-long conference aimed to educate people as to the truth behind Islam, explaining everything from Sharia law, to the myths about discrimination against women.
He said: “After the incident in Exeter, the questions were understandably around terrorism, jihad, whether people can live side by side.”
Many of the main misconceptions regarding Islam, he said, was a mixture of how the Koran is interpreted and cultural differences.
* The Koran is not interpreted, the Koran is the direct command from Allah to kill disbelievers and Jews if they don’t accept Islam or refuse to live under the Islamic yoke. Unfortunately, the da’awa doctor didn’t explain this…/ed
He said: “Conferences like this are about opening up closets and breaking down barriers, to bring these issues into the open and speak openly and frankly. The group here have been really receptive and I would like to say how pleased we are that the wider communities of Plymouth and Exeter have been sensible in their reaction to the bombing. We haven’t seen the backlash I think many expected.
“We are certainly looking to return to do a similar briefing with the public, perhaps at the town hall.”
Terry Bissessar, chair of the Devon and Cornwall BPA, said the association had noted the backlash against Muslims in the wake of the London bombings and believed it was important the South West learned lessons quickly.
He said: “The initial drive for us was we want to be more than just a support group in the South West â€“ we want to help the organisation learn and move forward.
“We wanted to better inform ourselves about the Islamic faith, why the hijab is worn, why they pray five times a day.
“The feedback shows officers are really interested”
* Same thing in the U.S.:
Fitzgerald: Outrageous behavior by Muslims can be a good thing
Muslim- and Arab-American leaders are upset that the FBI didn’t consult them â€” as it has done in other instances â€” before releasing the photos on the Internet and to news organizations. […] “We need to get some type of apology from them and figure out how to get back to where we were,” said Rita Zawaideh, head of the Arab-American Community Coalition. — fromÂ this article
“As it [the FBI] has done in other instances”!
Why has the FBI ever consulted, for one minute, with “Muslim and Arab-American groups” on its standard procedures? Releasing pictures of those who are sought for past or likely future criminal activity is routine, and is a most successful method, proven to work. Just look at how many of those publicized by John Walsh on “America’s Most Wanted” have been subsequently seen by viewers and reported to the police. It is idiotic for police methods to change.
And why were they changed ever? Why were “Muslims and Arab-Americans” ever, apparently, allowed to censor this procedure? And what don’t we know? And why do we all suspect, or have good reason to know after having talked to certain officials in law enforcement, to think that a great deal is being hidden from us so as not to arouse the public, not to create any “animus” toward those “Muslims and Arab-Americans” who, in organized groups, apparently think they have a perfect right to limit the public’s safety in several ways? They do it when they slyly deny the reason for acts of terrorism by Muslims, and slyly deny in every way they can what is in Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira, and offer only the continued treacly and dangerously misleading propaganda about Islam at those phony Muslim Outreach Nights, those idiotic “Interfaith” sessions (“three abrahamic faiths” etcetera) intended to ensure — because at this point threats will not do the trick, the Infidels are as yet uncowed, and too numerous for that — that Muslims will remain safe from the widespread suspicion that they would arouse and do arouse among any Infidels who actually take the time to study the texts, tenets, attitudes of Islam.
Those texts, tenets, and attitudes are observable all over the world, in Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, and not just now, but for the entire history of Islam. For those texts are immutable, and they mean what they say. And so it becomes all the more suspicious when American Muslims do not denounce, day and night, terrorism as a weapon of Jihad — and when they complain when the police force of the Infidels dares to use the methods it has used for more than a century (those “Wanted Posters” are part of American lore, especially in the West). No other group dares to presume to interfere with such efforts.
Why should Muslim and Arab-American groups have any say in what the police do or not do in such a matter? It is perfectly appropriate, and especially necessary in cases of suspected preparations for acts of terrorism, to enhance our common safety (that is, the safety of non-Muslims, those who inherited the political and legal institutions, and cultural legacy, created in turn by generations of non-Muslims, of this country), by disseminating pictures of suspects. This is a most useful tool.
This is the kind of behavior from Muslims that is so outrageous that it will prove, in the end, useful to those of us who think the sleepwalking public needs a shake or two. For anyone living in Seattle can take the ferry, and anyone might be able to imagine himself on that ferry, with that bomb going off. And now that the photograph of the two suspects have been widely publicized, if those two are innocent they have only to step forth and demonstrate it. Meanwhile, those who recognize their faces now have a duty to step forth and identify them — especially if the two men in question do not present themselves. And non-Muslims are going to have a very hard time, indeed, as they imagine themselves or possibly their children on that ferry, being sympathetic to Muslim demands, Muslim outrage. No, that outrage is likely to meet with ever-growing Infidel outrage, and once the denial-interfaith-outreach-it’s-all-been-exaggerated cord has been snapped in Infidel brains, once the connection is gone, it can never be put back the way it was.
And it all the result of Muslim behavior. For if they were not to protest, but to eagerly pledge their cooperation and what’s more, deliver on that cooperation, then the mounting suspicion, that grows higher every day, would not mount, or would not mount at quite the same rate.
So the outrageous behavior of CAIR and other Muslims is in fact a good thing, it is having good effects on Infidels.