Australia: Islamic cleric invents most original defense against accusers: "out of context…"

Islamic cleric who advocated wife-beating comes up with an amazingly novel explanation of his words — one that no one has ever heard before

* Samir Abu Hamza says Australians are drunks: In another sermon broadcast over the internet, the Coburg cleric urged followers to spread the word of Islam to save Australians. “They don’t know what life is all about, that’s why they are on the booze, why they are binge drinking . . . why unfortunately suicide has skyrocketed, murder, anxiety and depression.” More

                                  

* More BS and fake denials: Malyun Ahmed frustrated by Abu Hamza views

He told Muslim men that they could beat their wives, in accord with Qur’an 4:34, but wouldn’t you know it? His remarks were taken out of context!

“Samir Abu Hamza has told a confidant his message has been taken out of context and that he was referring to hitting wives in a metaphorical sense.”

Wow! I’ve never heard that before! That makes it all make sense! Of course! He meant metaphorical wife-beating! You know, the kind of thing people mean when they say things like, “Wow, he really gave him a tongue-lashing,” or “So-and-so should be publicly flogged,” or “That’s gonna leave a mark” or “Forty lashes with a wet noodle.” Of course! How could the world have been so stupid! If only we would learn to quote these clerics, and the Qur’an, in context, everything would be all right, the global jihad and Islamic supremacism would vanish, and a new era of peace would dawn!

An update on this story.

“Wife-beating call was metaphoric: cleric,” from AAP, January 22 (thanks to DW):

* The Herald Sun doesn’t get it: Samir Abu Hamza’s “primitive interpretation” is the correct one

                  

* BS peddler Yasser Soliman’s tries damage control: making it look as if Samir Abu Hamza was a looney “individual’ who got it all wrong…

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Islamic leaders have condemned a Melbourne Muslim cleric who told followers it was permissible to hit their wives and force them to have sex.But Coburg mosque cleric Samir Abu Hamza has told a confidant his message has been taken out of context and that he was referring to hitting wives in a metaphorical sense.

Mr Rudd told reporters Mr Hamza’s comments had no place in modern Australia.

During a 2003 lecture also posted on the internet late last year, Mr Hamza told followers that under Islamic law, men could demand sex from their wives.

Despite Australian law requiring consent, it was impossible for a man to rape his wife even if she refused to have sex, he said.

“Under no circumstances is sexual violence permissible or acceptable in Australia – under no circumstances,” Mr Rudd said.

“Under no circumstances are other forms of violence, physical violence, acceptable towards women in Australia nor are they acceptable in my view to mainstream Muslim teachings.

“Australia will not tolerate these sort of remarks. They don’t belong in modern Australia, and he should stand up, repudiate them and apologise.”

The President of the Islamic Council of Victoria (ICV) Ramzi Elsayed said he had spoken with Mr Hamza about the lecture, titled The Keys to a Successful Marriage.

“He told me he was speaking in a metaphorical sense,” Mr Elsayed told AAP.

“In regards to hitting your wife, his position is that it has always been metaphorical – it’s not a whack, it’s not a slap, it’s a wake-up call.”

 

Now, I admit, when I have a 6AM flight and I’m getting a 3:30AM wake-up call in some fleabag hotel, it can feel like a beating. But still…

He said Islam did not condone violence against women or making a wife have sex with her husband against her will.

“Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.” — Qur’an 4:34

Muhammad said: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.” — Bukhari 4.54.460

“He believes he was taken out of context insofar as he was talking about people who censure their spouses – it was not so much a physical hit as a metaphorical one to say wake up, we’re heading for a divorce kind-of-thing,” Mr Elsayed said.But the senior honorary legal adviser to the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Haset Seli, hit out at Mr Hamza, calling him a lunatic.

“His lecture was absolutely ludicrous, unIslamic and highlighted the ignorance of the man,” Mr Seli told AAP.

He said anyone who thinks he can force his wife to have sex with him is a lunatic and certainly not a Muslim….

* Note the weasel words of these headbangers and how they don’t want you to look at the scriptures, even if you do they’ll tell you that you got it all wrong and that you’re “ignorant”…

So will Seli be brought up on apostasy charges before the Islamic authorities in Australia, for implying that Muhammad the prophet of Islam was a lunatic? Naaaah. They know what he is up to.

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* Here’s the whole thing with comments from Dhimmi Watch:

Islamic cleric: Australians a bunch of gambling drunks

Whereas Muslims are simply wife-beaters. “Muslim cleric says Australians addicted to alcohol, gambling,” by Mark Dunn for Courier Mail, January 22:

ABU Hamza has claimed Australians are addicted to alcohol, gambling and prostitution in another rant to his followers broadcast over the internet. 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd yesterday demanded the self-taught cleric apologise for telling Muslim men they could demand sex from their wives and hit them if they were disobedient.

Note well, “self-taught,” as in, surely he got it wrong, surely Islam doesn’t teach that, etc.

As revealed in yesterday’s Courier-Mail, Mr Hamza told his mainly young male following Islamic law allowed husbands to demand sex at any time and women could be “smacked” if they continually disobeyed men. 

In another fire and brimstone sermon, recorded for the internet six months ago, Mr Hamza said non-Muslim Australians were lost in a world of booze, gambling and sex.

Mr Hamza, who has delivered sermons celebrating Australia and then condemning aspects of it, told his followers to spread the word of Islam.

“They (Australians) think happiness can be achieved by being intoxicated, by going to the casino and blowing your money away, by going from one prostitute to the other,” Mr Hamza said in his lecture titled “How to live in Australia as a Muslim”.

After the sex-on-demand and wife-beating revelations, Mr Rudd yesterday demanded Mr Hamza apologise and withdraw the comments.

“These remarks have no place in modern Australia at all. I would call upon this Islamic cleric to publicly apologise and repudiate his remarks,” the PM said.

“Under no circumstances is sexual violence permissible or acceptable in Australia, nor … in my view to mainstream Muslim teaching.”

However Mr Hamza, also known as Samir Mohtadi and a man who has previously spoken out strongly against terrorism, would not offer further comment on his views.

However, in his lecture advising how Muslims should live in Australia he attacked secular Australian society.

The Australian community is in desperate need for me and you (Muslims), the Australian community is in a state of loss, they don’t know how to enjoy themselves,” Mr Hamza, the head of the Islamic Information and Services Network of Australasia, told his congregation.

His comments have been condemned by the Islamic Women’s Welfare Council of Victoria and Muslim community leaders including Yasser Soliman.

“To claim this is Islamic, or that the Koran forces wives to do things such as (Mr Hamza’s) lectures suggest, is quite insulting to most of the Muslim world,” Mr Soliman said.

 

Newsflash Mr Soliman: the Koran (4:34) says, “Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.”

And your prophet Muhammad said: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relations) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.” — Bukhari 4.54.460.

In another hadith, Muhammad says: “By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself (to him for sexual intercourse) she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle.” — Ibn Majah 1854.

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  1. There is, of course, nothing ‘primitive’ or inaccurate about Samir’s interpretation of the Koran here. The MSM just desperately want to believe that the Koran doesn’t say anything like that – poor deluded fools with poor deluded fool readers.

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