Â Our war with the ‘Palestinians’ is a religious war, and Â the ‘Palestinians’ and their Arab patrons will never accept our presence here because they are religiously proscribed from doing so. But I was surprised to find out that Barack Obama apparentlyÂ believes the same thingÂ /More from Carl in J’lem:Â Discussing Israel with the ‘Muslim world’
- Krauthammer – Obama’s speech “abstract, vapid, and self-absorbed”
- Al Qaeda website:Â “we have to be fair in assessing this man who might return to Islam, the religion of his father…”
- Iraq: “Why Did Obama Leave Islam? I Think He Hates Islam”…..
- Obama: “No Evidence Aliens Built the Pyramids”
- We need more apologies: Obama to Nominate ‘Apology Czar’
- Canada won’t take Gitmo inmates: Good on Canada!
From Pamela, Atlas Shrugs:
Dr. Andrew Bostom wrote to me to enlighten us on Obama’s selective Koranic cherry picking:
Immediately following the murderous acts of jihad terrorism committed on September 11, 2001, Ibn Warraq highlighted the tragic irony of many apologists quoting selectively from Qur’an 5:32-“whoso slays a soul . . . shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and whoso gives life to a soul, shall be as if he has given life to mankind altogether”- attempting to demonstrate that the Qur’ran disapproved of violence and killing.
* Important point:Â Jefferson’s ownership of a KoranÂ comes under the heading of “know thy enemy.”
Thomas Jefferson did not own a Koran because he desired to study Islam for its merits. Jefferson bought and read a Koran because our major foreign policy challenge from 1786 to 1812 was our war with Barbary Pirates who used the Koran as justification for attacking American ships and enslaving American citizens.
Â Firstly,Â these wonderful sounding words come from a preexisting Jewish text (Mishnah, IV Division 5),Â “Thus was created a single man, to teach us that every person who loses a single soul, it shall be written about him as if he has lost the entire world, and every person who sustains a single soul, it shall be written about him as if he has sustained the entire world.”
And apologists for Islam-just like President Obama-quote the Koranic words out of context. For the very next verse offers quite a different meaning from that of 5:32, which was “laid…down for the Israelites,” as stated in verse, 5:33, continuing:
“…Our apostles brought them [the Jews] veritable proofs: yet it was not long before many of them committed great evils in the land. Those that make war against Allah and His apostle [Muhammad] and spread disorder shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the country. (Qur’an 5:33)”
- Â Did White House order FBI to “back off” anti-terror investigations of radicalized Muslim converts?
- Michelle Malkin:Â Finally: Obama’s limp statement on the jihadi attack in Arkansas
- Obama condemns Muslim attack on Arkansas Army recruiters…not
- Brit Urges Fellow Muslims to ‘Kill the Unbelievers’…
- Westerner Converts to Islam, Builds ‘Bomb Factory’ in Bedroom
- Islamic Outreach: ‘The Christians of America, My Message Is This: We Worship the Same God’
June 4, 2009 | A message from Eli E. Hertz
Mr. President:Â On June 4, 2009 in a Keynote Address to the Muslim world delivered from Cairo you asserted that it is “undeniable that the Palestinian people – Muslims and Christians – have suffered in pursuit of a homeland.” You continued and claimed that “for more than sixty years they have endured the pain of dislocation” and “daily humiliations – large and small – that come with occupation.” You concluded by stating “let there be no doubt: The situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.”
Mr. President:Â 61 years ago the Arabs in Palestine were neither hapless targets nor innocent bystanders. The human tragedy of being uprooted notwithstanding, the first stage of Israel’s war of independence in 1948, was a fierce interethnic and anti-Zionist civil war in which the Arabs in Palestine were the aggressors and the initiators. Then came the all-out war and invasion of seven regular Arab armies whose participation the Arabs in Palestine engineered. There were 6,000 Israelis dead as a result of that 1948 war, in a total population of 600,000. One percent of the Jewish population was gone. In American terms, the equivalent is 3.0 million American civilians and soldiers killed over an 18-month period.
Mr. President:Â You speak about daily ‘humiliation’ of the Palestinian Arabs but ignore the real victims of Arab terrorism. In Israel, every Israeli is searched numerous times during the course of a day. Israelis are asked to open their bags and purses for inspection and in most cases are subjected to body searches with a metal detector every time they enter a bank or post office, pick up a bottle of milk at the supermarket, enter a mall or train station, or visit a hospital or medical clinic. Young Israeli men and women are physically frisked in search of suicide belts before they enter crowded nightclubs.
These ordinary daily humiliations extend to similar searches when Israelis go to weddings or bar mitzvahs. No one in the western world speaks of the humiliation that Jews in Israel are subjected to, having to write at the bottom of wedding invitations and other life cycle events, “The site will be secured [by armed guards]” – to ensure that relatives and friends will attend and share in their joyous occasion.
To date, no one protests the fact that, since the 1970s, Jewish schoolchildren in Israel are surrounded by perimeter fences, with armed guards at the schoolyard gates. Not one Arab village in Israel or the Territories has a perimeter fence around it. Guards are not required at Arab shops, cafes, restaurants, movie theaters, wedding halls or schools – either in Israel or in the Territories. Palestinian Arabs also do not need armed guards to accompany every school trip, youth movement hike or campout, as they are not targets of terrorism.
Israelis are told to disguise themselves when traveling abroad – not to speak Hebrew in public and not to wear garments that reveal their Jewish/Israeli origins. On the other hand, Arabs who frequent Jewish cities and towns in Israel wear their traditional Arab headgear without fear of being attacked or harassed.
In fact, Mr. President, the average Israeli is “humiliated and harassed” far more times a day than the average Palestinian Arab.
And as to the claim of occupation – the former president of the International Court of Justice, Professor, Judge Stephen M. Schwebel makes it clear:
“As between Israel, acting defensively in 1948 and 1967, on the one hand, and her Arab neighbors, acting aggressively, in 1948 and 1967, on the other, Israel has the better title in the territory of what was Palestine, including the whole of Jerusalem.”
Thank you for your attention.
Eli E. Hertz
Dr. Aaron Lerner – IMRA:
When an American asserts that everyone in the world “simply want to liveÂ Â Â their lives and see their children live better lives” that is prettyÂ Â insulting.
No national aspirations? Â No willingness within society to make sacrificesÂ
in order to serve the interests and goals of that society? Â Is the entire world motivated solely by an interest in improving per capitaÂ
This is nothing less than American cultural-value hegemony.
And it goes far beyond being insulting.
It is dangerous for policy makers to refuse to appreciate and understand theÂ
very real cultural differences that exist in our world. Â Serious businessmen learn all they can about cultural differences beforeÂ
But it sounds like the White House policymakers make the dangerously lazyÂ
simplifying assumption that everyone is the same.
Obama: Hamas and Hezbullah are no longer terrorists
I want to recap a few points about Obama’s speech, which I will do through several posts. First, I noted during the speech that it seems that in Obama’s world, the only terrorists are al-Qaeda. A review of theÂ transcriptÂ confirms that perception. (The transcript is alsoÂ here. (Hat Tip:Â Memeorandum)). He then uses that appellation to justify the war in Afghanistan (and Pakistan), but not the war in Iraq which he distinguishes by calling it a ‘war of choice.’ Calling Iraq a ‘war of choice’ in comparison with Afghanistan is absurd, but it’s not my issue.
What is my issue is that in Obama’s world, Hamas and Hezbullah are no longer terror organizations. He never calls Hamas a terror organization, and he compares Hamas’ violence to Israel’s ‘settlements.’ Here’s that passage: Link to Carl in J’lem
From Atlas Shrugs:
Why is that the Muslims can expel, kill, behead, subjugate all non-Muslim people who live in their 57 countries, but the Jews cannot live in their tiny homeland? This is a serious question. This isÂ theÂ question.
Why is the most aggressive, relentless, backward, violent people in history given every benefit of the blood and sweat of free peoples? They are indulged in their worst abuses. Why aren’t the Jews given their basic human rights?
Why is it always about the Jews? Obama’s speech was anti-semitic. Obama has to prove his bonafides to the ummah by delivering the Jews? Obama (along with the ummah) treats the Jews as an apartheid people.
There is no such thing as a “settler”. There are only Jews who live in the homeland. Obama has no right, no right, to throw the Jews out. If Muslims won’t live among the Jews, they’ll have to leave. That works for me 🙂
Jewish expulsions are over. G-d blessÂ this campaign! We stand with you.Â
Settlements are merely this year’s model. Oslo, self-determination, Gaza blah blah blah ……. the Muslims never have to meet any condition. 16 years, NOT ONE CONDITION. Push the Jews further into a ghetto and all you’ve done is given the Muslims yet another victory over the Jews. In this Islamic colonialism, the line in the sand is moved yet again, to the Jews’ terrible detriment. No more. Hamas (Iran) is in charge to the West, Hezb’Allah (Iran) to the north is sure to win the Lebanon elections – this is the poisonous fruit of appeasement. No more Jewish land to barbarians.
FromÂ Charles Krauthammer:Â
Obama the Humble declares there will be no more “dictating” to other countries. We should “forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions,”Â he told the G-20 summit. In Middle East negotiations, he told al-Arabiya, America will henceforth “start by listening, because all too often the United States starts by dictating.”
An admirable sentiment.Â It applies to everyone â€” Iran, Russia, Cuba, Syria, even Venezuela. Except Israel. Israel is ordered to freeze all settlement activity.Â As Secretary of State Clinton imperiously explained the diktat: “a stop to settlements â€” not some settlements, not outposts, not natural-growth exceptions.”
What’s the issue? No “natural growth” means strangling to death the thriving towns close to the 1949 armistice line, many of them suburbs of Jerusalem, that every negotiation over the past decade has envisioned Israel retaining.
It means no increase in population. Which means no babies. Or if you have babies, no housing for them â€” not even within the existing town boundaries. Which means for every child born, someone has to move out. No community can survive like that.
The obvious objective is to undermine and destroy these towns â€” even before negotiations.
To what end? Over the last decade, the U.S. government has understood that any final peace treaty would involve Israel retaining some of the close-in settlements â€” and compensating the Palestinians accordingly with land from within Israel itself.
That was envisioned in the Clinton plan in the Camp David negotiations in 2000, and again at Taba in 2001. After all, why turn towns to rubble when, instead, Arabs and Jews can stay in their homes if the 1949 armistice line is shifted slightly into the Palestinian side to capture the major close-in Jewish settlements, and then shifted into Israeli territory to capture Israeli land to give to the Palestinians?
This idea is not only logical, not only accepted by both Democratic and Republican administrations for the last decade, but was agreed to in writing in the letters of understanding exchanged between Israel and the United States in 2004 â€” and subsequently overwhelmingly endorsed by a concurrent resolution of Congress.
Yet the Obama State Department has repeatedly refused to endorse these agreements or even say it will honor them. This from a president who piously insists that all parties to the conflict honor previous obligations.
The entire “natural growth” issue is a concoction. It’s farcical to suggest that the peace process is moribund because a teacher in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem is making an addition to her house to accommodate new grandchildren â€” when Gaza is run by Hamas terrorists dedicated to permanent war with Israel and when Mahmoud Abbas, having turned down every one of Ehud Olmert’s peace offers, brazenly declares that he is in a waiting mode â€” waiting for Hamas to become moderate and for Israel to cave â€” before he’ll do anything to advance peace.
In his much-heralded “Muslim world” address in Cairo on Thursday, Obama declared that the Palestinian people’s “situation” is “intolerable.”
Indeed it is, the result of 60 years of Palestinian leadership that gave its people corruption, tyranny, religious intolerance and forced militarization; leadership that for three generations â€” Haj Amin al-Husseini in 1947, Yasser Arafat in 2000, Abbas in December 2008 â€” rejected every offer of independence and dignity, choosing destitution and despair rather than accept any settlement not accompanied by the extinction of Israel.
In the 16 years since the Oslo accords turned the West Bank and Gaza over to the Palestinians, their leaders â€” Fatah and Hamas alike â€” built no schools, no roads, no courthouses, no hospitals, no institutions that would relieve their people’s suffering. Instead they poured everything into an infrastructure of war and terror, all the while depositing billions (from gullible Western donors) into their Swiss bank accounts.
Obama says he came to Cairo to tell the truth. But he uttered not a word of that. Instead, among all the bromides and lofty sentiments, he issued but one concrete declaration of new American policy: “The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements,” thus reinforcing the myth that Palestinian misery and statelessness are the fault of Israel and the settlements.
(Photo:Â Palestinian militants from the Popular Resistance Committee wear masks to conceal their identities from the camera as they pose with their weapons while watching the televised speech of US President Barack Obama in front of journalists at a training base in Gaza City, Thursday, June 4, 2009. Quoting from the Quran for emphasis, President Barack Obama called for a “new beginning between the United States and Muslims” Thursday and said together, they could confront violent extremism across the globe and advance the timeless search for peace in the Middle East.
“Palistan & the Palistanian People”
Who are the “Palestinian people?”â€”a mere hodgepodge of Arab clans and tribes from the Middle East and North Africa, obviously devoid of any Palestinian culture or language.Â Professor Efraim Karsh quotes the eminent Arab-American historian Philip Hitti: ”There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.”Â It was never “perceived as a distinct entity deserving national self-determination but as an integral part of a unified regional Arab order …”
* Â Quiz: can you name one “Palistanian leader’ before Arafat?
If you are so sure that “Palestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history”, I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine:
When was it founded and by whom?
What were its borders?
What was its capital?
What were its major cities?
What constituted the basis of its economy?
What was its form of government?
Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
What was the language of the country of Palestine?
What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?
And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over — or thrown out of — the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?
I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.
The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it “the Palestinian people” and installed it in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza, respectively?
The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel, and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation” — or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.
In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East. Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel’s ancient sovereignty over Gaza, Judea, and Samaria.
That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?
You are absolutely correct in your understanding of the “Palestinians” murderous motives. I am afraid however that you, along with 99% of the population of this planet have missed the beginning of WWIII (the enemy call it Jihad) quite a few years ago. The siege of the US embassy in Tehran in 1979, an event to which the latest Nobel Peace Prize winner had so miserably failed to respond, can be very well used as the day WWIII stepped out of the pages of the Koran and into the current events. I pray the United States and Israel lead the world to victory in this war.
Come to think of it, there is no choice, be you a Christian, or even, believe it or not, a Muslim.