Will the Ancient Quranic Manuscripts of Sana’a Spell the Downfall of Islam?

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THE SANA QURANS: PROOF THE KORAN IS A POORLY WRITTEN, TERRIBLY EDITED AND TOTALLY MISINFORMED BOOK, AND NOT THE REVELATION OF A PROPHET

H/T the Astute Bloggers:

The 1972 discovery of the earliest surviving Quranic manuscripts in the Great Mosque of Sana’a conclusively shows that the present Quran is different from the early manuscripts. It proves the Islamic claim—that the Quran is infallability, that it is Allah’s original revelation word by word, and that it is copy of the version kept in a tablet in heaven—outright false. Will this shocking find unravel the dawnfall of Islam?


“Respect for the faith of sincere believers cannot be allowed either to block or deflect the investigation of the historians… One must defend the rights of elementary historical methodology”.

— Maxime Rodhinson, 1981, p. 57

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Sana'a mosque quran textsMuslims generally believe, thanks to Quranic assertions, that both the Old and New Testaments are corrupted and seriously changed. They say, for a Holy Scripture to be authoritative, it has to be preserved without any changes at all, and point to the Quran, which, they claim, has been preserved word by word and letter by letter, as was revealed to Muhammad by Allah. The Quran itself claims: ‘no change there can be in the words of God’ (10:64) and, ‘there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of God’ (6:34).

But then how ridiculous the ‘doctrine of abrogation’ is, by which later revelations cancel previous ones, as Quran (2:106) confirms, ‘revelations… We abrogate or cause to be forgotten’. Also, a Hadith (6:558) from Sahih Bukhari confirms that Muhammad forgot many verses. Again Sunaan ibn Majah (3:1944) records that, after Muhammad’s death, some revelations were eaten up by a goat.

How divine words can be eaten, changed, cancelled or abolished, in spite of Allah’s specific claim in 10:64 and 6:34?

Are not all these claims of Allah self-contradictory?

Amazingly, these plain truths do not bother the Muslims at all. Probably, if we can present another “authentic” Quran, which is different from existing standard form, Muslims may give way to logical thinking.

The 1972 discovery of the earliest surviving Quranic manuscripts in the Great Mosque of Sana’a conclusively shows that the present Quran is different from the early manuscripts. It proves the Islamic claim—that the Quran is infallability, that it is Allah’s original revelation word by word, and that it is copy of the version kept in a tablet in heaven—outright false.

… The devastating truth is that a large number of ancient Quranic manuscripts, dating from first century of Hijra were discovered in the Great Mosque of Sana’a (Yemen), which significantly differs from the present standard one. Carbon dating system confirmed that these Qurans are not forged one by religious rivalries. Moreover, these Qurans were discovered by Muslims, not infidels.

This is, probably, the most embarrassing event to Muslims in the 1,400-year history of Islam.

… Until now, only three ancient copies of the Quran are found. The one preserved in the British Library in London, dates from the late seventh century and was thought to be the oldest one. But the Sana’a manuscripts are even older. Moreover, these manuscripts are written in a script that originates from the Hijaz—the region of Arabia where prophet Muhammad lived, which makes them not only the oldest to have survived, but one of the earliest authentic copies of the Quran ever.

… The ancient texts were found to be devastatingly and disturbingly at odds with the existing form. There are unconventional verse ordering, small but significant textual variations, different orthography (spelling) and different artistic embellishment (decoration).

It shattered the orthodox Muslim belief that the Quran, as it has reached us today, is “the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of God”. It means Quran has been distorted, perverted, revised, modified and corrected, and textual alterations had taken place over the years purely by Human hands.

The sacred aura surrounding this Holy Scripture of Islam, which remained intact for some 14 centuries is gone with this astonishing discovery and the ‘core belief’ of 1.4b Muslims that the Quran is the eternal, unaltered word of God is now clearly visible as a great hoax, a downright falsehood.

… As if it is not enough, many manuscripts showed the sign of palimpsests, i.e., versions very clearly written over even earlier washed off versions. The underwriting of palimpsest is, of course, often difficult to read visually, but modern tools, such as ultraviolet photography, can highlight them. It suggests that the Sana’a manuscripts are not only variants to the present version of the Quran, but the Sana’a manuscripts themselves were variants of earlier version, re-written on the same paper. It means, Allah’s claim that original text is preserved in heaven on golden tablets (Q 56: 77–78; 85:21–22), which none can touch except angels is also a fairy-tale.

… Today, when the divinity of the Quran is shattered by the Sana’a manuscripts, the spiritual nature of Islam is also exposed. Islam is nothing but a pure Arab political movement. The Divinity was attached to the Quran, when Arabs started conquering the surrounding nations, and Islam was imposed on them by force. Arabs not only imposed Islam on others, but also imposed this irrational belief of Quranic divinity to the minds of their victims, so that once Arabs are gone, the conquered people cannot come out from this mental enslavement, and return back to their original faith. It is a rare political skill.

Many companions of Muhammad clearly knew that the Quran was fake, but they remained with their prophet to share the booty and to enjoy the women. We all know, after Muhammad’s death, several Arab tribes returned back to their original belief, and idolatry flourished, but were forced back to Islam with the sword and bloodbath.

36 thoughts on “Will the Ancient Quranic Manuscripts of Sana’a Spell the Downfall of Islam?”

  1. As usual this will just be shouted down under threats of violence and legal action, until it will be a punishable offence under western law to even mention it, just as mentioning parts of the Queer’an that are still included is usually met with screams of islamophobia and prosecution.

    Same old story, and it will be until western countries get governments capable of standing up to islamist threats. At the moment, if there is something muslims do not want to be openly discussed they whine, scream and threaten till our dhimmified wimps and weaklings in power bow to their every demand!

  2. Nah! A goat wasn’t responsible.

    It occurred one sunny day when Mo was squatting outside his tent, evacuating his bowels of a nasty attack of diarrhoea. Not satisfied with the messy result of swiping with the usual rocks, he bade one of his wives – who were gathered around him – to grab a page out of the Koran (which was still a manuscript at that time, you understand.)

    And so it was that another profound Islamic invention, toilet paper, came to be introduced to the world and Mo was nominated for a Nobel Prize.

  3. haha. It does not shcok me as a muslim to hear this new discoveries.

    As many people even intelligent people did not know that Qoran was not given to prophet Muhammad as a written text. Even there are several dialects which people use at that time to recite it.

    A compilation of it was made during caliph uthman era. And in the end of their project of compiling it, they asked to burn all the other copy of Quran for a reason. To make sure there will be no such things as ‘different version’ of qurann. maybe if he would not do that, they will be american quran, or Asian quran whatever people want to call their own copy of quran.

    The problem is, sana’a manuscript was found to be older than this uthmanic version of quran. Thus, how could people say this is the real one and the other three ancient quran which is identical to the modern one is false?

    It is too simple to think if we don’t have any intention to condemned other religion.

    I am really interested in sana’s manuscript. People should study its content and after that then we could see why it is different.

    However, lot of people start to judge by initial study which is not completed until today and quoting all the thing in the magazine they found. As i search for sana’a manuscript in the internet, all i found is the same letters, words, and sentences as this page. Copy and paste technology. :-).

    Hopefully we will get the real result, story and history of that sana’a manuscript within years after this. It would be very interesting. I’m a muslim not to forget and i am looking forward for it.

  4. Assalaamoalaikum!! May Peace Blessing And Mercy oF Allah Be On All of You.

    Dear Brothers and Sisters,

    Why r you behind our Nobble Prophet (P.B.U.H) , Y all the time u always talk bad and think bad about Him.????

    What Did he do to the Humanity???

    All your bad comments for what reason???? Befor u make such comments you should go and find the reality and Truth, Before you make any bad comment on someone you shoud think about yourself and around you.

    U should Understand and learn about islam what it says!!! Dont just listen to some fools on the net. They dont know about islam!! Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad S.A.W is the Perfect Person on earth and none will be like him, he is a model for Human Beings and an example for us and how should we do the things for our life for living!!
    I think some people are jealous about him, they cant do like him, they blaspheme, they always talk bad and think bad for such a Nobble Person!!!

    I feel Sorry For you All, Stop talking nonsense and go and find for the truth!!! Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad S.A.W is the leader of this Universe and above!! He`s our master and from him he guided us how to be a gud muslim!!

    If i have hurt someone from my words, Please Forgive me.

    Assalaamoalaikum

    1. Muhammad worship?

      “Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad S.A.W is the leader of this Universe and above…”

      When confronted, he would deny it. But among Mohammedans it seems to be understood that Muhammad and ‘allah’, his alter ego, are one and the same….

  5. R_ider (you ought to change you nick name – it sounds very bad given the context of the discussion here)

    Anyway, I think you have a false sense of humility. “If i have hurt someone from my words, Please Forgive me” does not cut it in your religion (maybe you are a nice person, but your religion ain’t)

    Second, I wish you would give us your definition and understanding of “the Perfect Person on earth” before you ascribe this title to your man. If this “perfect man” of yours and as you say this “model for Human Beings and an example for us and how should we do the things for our life for living!!” is allowed to marry 20times and desire a six-year-old girl for his sexual gratification, commit murder and highway robbery, then YOU have a serious problem with your definition. Such a man would be hunted down and be brought to justice, wouldn’t you say?

    Please R_ider, this is not meant to insult you. I urge you to conduct a fair research, to study and to seek the truth with all of your heart. Here’s something that should get you started:
    http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/islam/comparison-between-jesus-and-muhammad

    All the best!

  6. [Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad S.A.W is the leader of this Universe and above!! He`s our master and from him he guided us how to be a gud muslim!!]

    Is he really, R_ider? I am sure you are right – as Sheik points out, Mo and allah are one and the same, but both are sockpuppets of satan, denying that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and denying that He was crucified for our sins – thereby consigning anyone falling for his lies and deceptions to hell forever, unless he or she changes mind about Jesus.

    1.x billion doomed muslims is an awful lot of souls for allah & Mo to traffic in – do you feel no pity for islam’s victims?

  7. R_ider is a joker, poking fun at Mo. Who, in their right mind, would describe Mo as a Nobble Person? Only a barmy clown would call Mo a Perfect Person and seriously mean it. I’m sure that doesn’t apply to R_ider.

    R_ider is taking the mickey. A good joke. Thanks for the laugh, R_ider.

  8. Why the fuss? Read the koran and the hadiths and bingo you have got all the answers for the reasons why there are so much violent in this world.

    Facts:
    123 verses in the koran that incite the killing of Jews, Christians, infidels etc
    300 verses in the hadiths that glorified the killing of 1,000s of people by the prophet and his followers

    Need I say more?

  9. It’s nice to re-read some of the nuggets that R_ider and others post on here in support of Mo.

  10. Hi Guys,

    Well, you all should be ashamed. If you know how to use the internet to find hateful comments about Islami, you should at least try to read other sources of information to get a complete picture of Islam and the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and not only one side of it.

    You are just repeating whatever some Islam-haters are saying 100% of the time. Islam calls for violence, islam oppresses women, islam does this and islam does that….etc. Relax, step back and try get a clearer version and keep your thinking away from all the bigot talking going on until you can judge by YOUR OWN INTELLECT.

    If you are really seeking the truth, I dare you to go to the nearest mosque to you right now and have a discussion with the imam or any adult muslim you find there. Stop hearing from others and go and get the fact directly from one of those people you are criticizing here.
    If you insist on reading things written about Islam by people who are against it, why don’t you reach to the other side and understand their defense. That’s called being fair. And all religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism…etc) call for fairness. So please be fair and seek to understand the views of everyone before you start repeating non-sense talking points.

    You can also email me at mr.cool84@hotmail.com if you have any question and although I’m just an average muslim, I will do my best to answer your inquiries.

    Lets all be civilized and stop demonizing each other.

  11. * Lets all be civilized and stop demonizing each other.

    Like this?

    [9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.]

    Or this?

    [8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”]

    This, even?

    [9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.]

    _LL_H (Would you like to buy a vowel?)

    Have a chat with it, and get back when it is ready to stop killing us, maiming us, forcibly converting us or extracting protection money like a Mafia Don.

  12. Before you read my reply below…please try to be as open minded as possible.

    1. [9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.]

    Do you know that every muslim has to pay ZAKAT of his wealth, which is a sort of giving back to the poor. And In Islam, if a muslim refuses to pay ZAKAT, the government has the right to jail them, fight and force them to pay. Just like any other modern society in which tax defaulters are jailed until they pay their dues. So the rules to pay taxes apply to muslims as same as they apply to non-muslims who live in a muslim state. And here is the great thing about Islam, we are not ordered to convert anyone to Islam by force (like what happened in Spain in the middle ages). The verse clearly asks muslims to fight only those who refuse to pay the Jizya, and once they pay we should not fight them any longer even if they stay being non-muslim. And as i said muslims also have to pay something to the state, so the rule is general. If the non muslims pay Jizya, then their lives, homes, businesses and right to worship are all strongly protected from any internal or external threats. Just google a bit and read the history of Jews under the islamic empire in spain and middle east. You will find that Jews were protected and living in peace under the islamic rule when in Europe they were killed and prosecuted.

    But you didn’t look for that, and in the last lines of your reply, you just repeated most probably what you’ve been hearing from false sources without doing some research. With a little bit of effort you would find that in islam we don’t force people to convert. There is a verse in Al-Quran that explicitly states that rule. And the protection money you are talking about is not specific to non-muslims. All muslims and non muslims living under an islamic state have to pay something coz of the services provided to them by the state and to help the poor, just like in any other modern society in the current age.

    2. [8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”]

    You should first understand the context of this verse. It was revealed during a battle between Muslims and the invading army of Quresh who attacked Al-Madinah. So this verse is quite specific to that event. And it is meant to encourage the muslims and tell them Allah swt is supporting them to defend their religion, city and families.

    3. [9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.]

    This one also is specific to a period of time when there was a war between the muslims in Al-Madinah and the pagans in Makkah. It just states the rules of the fight. In those times, arab tribes had some holy months were fighting was completely prohibited. So this verse just states the rules regarding these months.

    And please just read again the last part of the verse : [ but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.]. It tells muslims that if they submit, then we should welcome them and open the way for them no matter what they did. So muslims war is conditional. This is opposite to what we find in the jewish history when the israelis were ordered to kill everybody in the towns their conquer even after they surrend. If Islam was violent just for the sake of violence, muslims would have been allowed to continue killing and destroy cities, but they are not allowed and they never did. For muslims, once a city surrenders we keep our hands off of them.

    Do you know what the crusades did when they entered Jerusalem, they killed thousands of innocent muslims and jews in the city. Some history books even say the city’s roads were covered by blood for weeks after the mascare done by Christian Crusades.

    Do you have something to add? Please feel free.

  13. Nothing to do with false sources – allah’s droppings can be browsed online
    here (and elsewhere):

    http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/001.asp

    or in book form.

    I really do not care if muslims pay zakat or not. I do have a problem with allah seeking to kill, forcibly convert, maim or extract protection money from me and others not drawn into its death-cult. I do place my trust in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Messiah, Lion of the Tribe of Judah and other titles, and against whom allah and all its bands do not stand a chance. They are doomed, along with allah and the false prophet.

  14. Please share with us some of the “droppings” you find interesting. I would really love to explain them to you as much as i can. Quran is not like a simple novel you read, so before you start throwing accusations, ask us, muslims, about the true meaning and the context so we can at least explain our view to you. Then only make your judgement. That’s Fairness.

    So basically you believe that the american, and all european governments extract protection money from their citizens in form of taxes?

    Well, you see it as a protection money, and many others see it otherwise. They see it as a social obligation and fair contribution to the society. No free lunch in this world. If you want the government to provide you services, you have to pay.

    Anyway, I won’t argue with your “libertarian” views coz personal views usually are subjective and overshadows facts. One of these facts are christians did kill and forcibly converted others too throughout the history. What the christians did (falsely in the name of Jesus) to the native americans and africans is not far long ago. And there are also verses in the Old Testament which is part of the bible that call for violence too. I explained above that unlike the conditional war in Islam, wars in Old Testament is unconditional and it is actually to destroy, kill and occupy others lands. You only need to read the wikipedia link I posted above to see what the history says about the Christian violence.

    But here is something for you and other readers to consider: in Islam, muslims are prohibited from insulting any other prophet or gods even if our god and prophet are insulted. That’s why you will never ever find a muslims drawing cartoons of Jesus, which is actually and regularly done by some christians, or calling your god’s words “droppings” or making fun of Buddha or any other good. That’s a fact. That’s one of the respectful and gracious sides of Islam which Islam-haters will never talk about.

    See how beautifully Islam describes Jesus Christ and his Mother:

    [O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.] Qur’an 4:171 .

    Anyway my friend, as i said I won’t argue based on your subjective views. If you have facts, bring them. If you only want to discuss views and opinions then I have nothing to say but what allah swt ordered me to say in His book:

    [And dispute ye not with the People of the Book except with means better (than mere disputation) unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say “We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam).”] Qur’an 29:45

  15. Dear retarded Akmad, there is NO Christian violence in the Old Testament. Are you really that stupid?

    As for your assertion that you do not insult other prophets, who you insult Jesus by co-opting him? Oh, that’s right, he wasn’t really a prophet.

    But you still insult Christians and Jews every time you prey. And Issa is not Jesus so save us your koranic lies about him.

    Now go off and worship the three cranes whose intercession is to be hoped for.

  16. Gary, you are calling me retarded and stupid for respectfully defending my religion…and then you say “NO Christian Violence”. lol. Dude, if I’m wrong, the civilized way to response is to be calm and give me the evidences against my point of view. Relax, man.

    And again, you guys insult Jesus more than everybody else. In islam he is a respected prophet and a blessed soul, he and his mother. Yes, we don’t believe he’s a god, but he is still regarded one of the greatest prophets of Allah in Islam and a brother to our prophet. That’s why We never insult or talk bad or draw cartoons about Jesus. And I don’t know who lied and told you we, muslims, insult Jesus in our prayers??!! We don’t. Period.

    The equal and fair treatment from your side should have been to not insult our prophet or god even if you don’t believe with us. But you guys are not following what the true christianity preaches in fairness and respect. What a shame.

  17. * Please share with us some of the “droppings” you find interesting.

    Here are a couple of blasphemies that mock Jesus Christ and His deity, and send muslims who die believing them to Hell into the bargain:

    [4:157 That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-]

    [4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.]

    A clear denial and rejection of the Truth. Believe allah at your peril.

    [John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,f that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.g 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”]

    You have a choice between the Light of Jesus Christ, and the darkness of allah and its lying false prophet. Which do you choose? Light, or darkness?

    There is a war going on (not a “Crusade” against flesh and blood), but a spiritual battle in the Heavens between God (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) and satan and its rebellious angels, sockpuppet gods (such as allah), and false prophets such as Mo. The outcome of the battle is known, however, and will see the muslim nations dragged into a massive invasion of Israel, with a view to a kill, but with their destruction. The rest of the nations will have to wait a bit, until Armageddon.

    For muslim nations, see Ezekiel 38 / 39 etc.

    Jerusalem is to be trodden down by the gentiles (non-Jews), but only until the times (seasons / era) of the gentiles is complete. No al-Quds, al-Aqsa or any other muslim blasphemies on the Temple Mount.

    The West may be capitulating in the face of islam’s increasing demands, but if they choose to play the harlot with allah, they will be destroyed. All our spineless politicians and their “multicultural” diversity industry are about to pass their use-by date, even if at the hands of islam, if they don’t come to their senses.

    Former PM Howard is starting to “get it” – pity he was so intent on globalisation and muslim reference groups when he was in power:

    Here was Howard in 2006, pushing the fatal “evil distortion of islam” canard that has typified the West’s fawning response: [Mr Howard said Australian Muslims overhwelmingly were committed to Australia, and terrorism was based “upon an evil, distorted interpretation of Islam … But that doesn’t mean you can’t identify areas of concern, and I think the reaction of some in the Islamic community … is quite unreasonable.”] SMH February 25, 2006

    Now he has toughened a little:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/dont-appease-fanatics-howard-tells-american-think-tank/story-e6frg6nf-1225931990029

    [John Howard has rekindled old passions, warning that Australia and other countries in the free world must not appease Islamic fanatics.

    The former prime minister said yesterday that it was not time to apologise to minority migrant groups for Australia’s way of life.]

    The appeasement of muslims has gone on for far too long, by politicians of all flavours with a few exceptions such as Geert Wilders, but better late than never for one of them to get it.

  18. [4:157 That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-]

    Isn’t it the same as what the bible says?? that Jesus didn’t die on the Cross??? And by the way, “THEY SAID” refers to the people who tried to kill Jesus.

    Anyway, the space here is not enough for me to list all our beliefs in Jesus. So please refer to the following link, you will find an insight and I hope you really visit them.

    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/31/viewall/

    And do you know what else denies that Jesus is God. The Bible itself. Please read the following article and I’d love to know what you think:

    http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10-1.htm

    You will find even more discussions and debates about this if you search for “jesus ahmed deedat” in Youtube.

    Regarding the link you posted, yes it was a wrong choice of words. They don’t seem arabic speakers so most probably they mistranslated the intended word. In Al-Quran it mentions the story of Jesus birth in the best way possible.

    [At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: “O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
    “O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!” But she pointed to the babe. They said: “How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?” He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;] Quran 19:27-30.

    So as you can see, JESUS himself used the word SERVENT OF GOD. And We call our prophet and all other prophets as servants of god. And No greater honor than to be a servant of your god. I think we can agree on that.

    The beautiful story continues:

    [“And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; (He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!] Quran 19:31-33.

    [So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life]. What a beautiful way to describe the live of this great prophet.

    it says: [He (i.e. Jesus) said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet] Quran . And We call our prophet and all other prophets as servants of god. And No greater honor than to be a servant of your god. I think we can agree on that.

  19. You blocked my other name, even though I didn’t say anything disrespectful. Anyway, I pray to allah swt he may guide you to the truth light one day. If that day comes, I really hope you let me know. I will be more than happy to be ur brother in Islam one day. I only wish the best for you.

  20. as for the article above I have something to say that I researched

    “The 1999 Atlantic Monthly Article, Puin’s comments and conclusions

    In a 1999 Atlantic Monthly article, Gerd Puin is quoted as saying that:[4] [4]

    My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants. The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen,’ or clear, but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn’t make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it can’t even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not—there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on.

    However after the publication of the Atlantic Monthly, Puin wrote a letter[5] in which he said:
    “ The important thing, thank God, is that these Yemeni Qur’anic fragments do not differ from those found in museums and libraries elsewhere, with the exception of details that do not touch the Qur’an itself, but are rather differences in the way words are spelled. This phenomenon is well-known, even in the Qur’an published in Cairo in which is written:

    Ibrhim next to Ibrhm
    Quran next to Qrn
    Simahum next to Simhum
    In the oldest Yemeni Qur’anic fragments, for example, the phenomenon of not writing the vowel alif is rather common.
    ”

    In his book titled ‘The History of The Qur’ānic Text from Revelation to Compilation: A Comparative Study with the Old and New Testaments'[6][7], professor Muhammed Mustafa al-Azami concludes from Puin’s letter that
    “ “This deflates the entire controversy, dusting away the webs of intrigue that were spun around Puin’s discoveries and making them a topic unworthy of further speculation.” ”

    Aisha Geissinger, a notable writer on Islam, notes in her article titled ‘Orientalists plot against the Qur’an under the guise of academic study and archive preservation'[8]
    “ The fact is that the existence of minor differences in wording and in the ordering of the surahs in the earliest masahif (manuscripts) is no surprise to Muslims familiar with classical Islamic scholarship of the Qur’an. Such variations occurred for several reasons. One factor is the dialectical differences then existing in different regions of Arabia. Another is that some of the Sahaba kiram (Companions) recorded such masahif for their own personal use. As these persons had either memorised the Qur’an in its entirety or large portions of it, such masahif were written merely as an aid to memory. Therefore, notes in the margins such as the wording of du’as (supplications) occurred, and the order of surahs varied. Books written by classical Muslim scholars, such as al-Suyuti’s Itqan, go into great detail about such issues.

  21. secondly, Ahmad brother I really appreciate how you addressed the angry Cristian(i guess) brother…commendable indeed…and I wonder why they treated you the way they did, and why they keep on insulting out views,religion,holybook and our prophet even when you have clearly explained the verses they were angry about…alas the truth always is treated like that!

  22. Ahmed, Ali,
    You have actually explained nothing. Circular logic, the keystone of your argument, is just that, Circular logic. I very much doubt that you are capable of understanding this, but never mind. A classic example is the work of “professor” Muhammed Mustafa al-Azami whom you quote. What he writes is simply not rigorous and cannot pass for western scholarship – but then again as both he and you come from a tradition that has kept innovation and knowledge at bay for nearly 1400 years this is no surprise. Stop wasting people’s time – the vast majority of people openly reject mohammed and your religion, and a significant minority of muslims would love to leave if they would not be hunted down and murdered by rabid islamists like yourselves. You have nothing to say, but unfortunately you feel the need to say it often. I have yet to see scum like you speak out against the atrocities committed by muslims against others for the reason that they are non-muslims (btw if you need to have examples supplied to you, you are as stupid as your arguments suggest). You are simply too stupid to understand us, but we understand you VERY well!!

  23. With all this arguing, perhaps the poster cares to show the differences between the ancient Quran and the modern one?

    Or is this just another baseless propaganda post aimed to deligitimize Islam and attack the Arab & Muslim people?

  24. Have the Sana’a manuscripts been translated? If so where can we find the translation of them.

    I also do not think its another propaganda post.
    Many Christians are feed up of being told how corrupt their bible is based on non theological theories, or by taking scriptures and making them into something they are not just to put the quran in a better light.

    There are many Islamic sites out there that belittle Christians and our holy book.
    And now we want answers if the Koran is so infallible and has never been changed and our bible so corrupt gives us the translation of the Sana’a manuscripts that we can decide for ourselves.
    The codex sinaiticus is the oldest bible dated 200 yrs before Islam and it shows us Christians that we are still reading the same bible today. It is online for people to see.
    Let’s campaign that the same is done for the Sana’a manuscripts if it hasn’t already been done.

  25. In Islam, if you are a Christian, you must be humiliated all the time.
    You must pay the jizyah with “willing submission” and then feel yourself to be subdued.
    Of course.

  26. Don’t stake your soul on that claim, earuma!

    “The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Jesus Christ, the Son of God – Matthew 24:35)

    allah is doomed, along with its false prophet and many of its followers:

    “For there will rise up false Christs and false prophets, displaying wonderful signs and prodigies, so as to deceive, were it possible, even God’s own People.” (Jesus Christ, the Son of God – Matthew 24:24)

  27. Have these new manuscripts been translated? If so can I get a copy of these translations? Then we can make our comments as to the authenticity of the Quran. Please help me.

  28. Muzzies delude themselves expertly, banging their heads until their brains no longer work in the normal way. They have bought the Brooklyn Bridge and are proud of it.

    The story of the collations of the Koran are deeply contradictory. Allah didn’t protect the Koran but was negligent with it. He tossed verses away and invented new ones that ‘sold’ better than the previous. ‘A goat ate them’ sounds like a joke! Was Allah sleeping when the goat was hungry? Or is it all humbug meant to exploit the gullible?

    The fact that the government of Yemen is afraid of Western scholars examining the Sana’a manuscripts speaks for itself! The manuscripts do indeed disprove the divine origine of the Koran.

  29. Get a digitised copy of Gerd R. Puin’s 1996 article ‘Observations on Early Qur’an Manuscripts at San’a’. The paper was originally published in English in The Qur’an as Text (edited by Stefan Wild).

    To get the article in PDF, leave your email address at

    http://ho-logos.blogspot.ca/2009/04/observations-on-early-quran-manuscripts.html

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