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		<title>By: sheikyermami</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheikyermami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>odilos,

you might want to add that the Arabs were slave traders long before they became Mohammedans.

 The Arabs  raided the Kraals in black Africa to supply the Romans with gladiators and slaves just like the old Egyptians did for their needs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>odilos,</p>
<p>you might want to add that the Arabs were slave traders long before they became Mohammedans.</p>
<p> The Arabs  raided the Kraals in black Africa to supply the Romans with gladiators and slaves just like the old Egyptians did for their needs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: odiolosputosmoros</title>
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		<dc:creator>odiolosputosmoros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Ibn Sina wasn&#039;t born in Alandalus, fool,  nor was he an Arab, he was PERSIAN, another victim of Arab Supremacism since the Arabs destroyed the Persian Sassanian Empire in 644 CE, Islam had nothing to do with the genius of Ibn Sina.

Said the mohammedan:
&quot;As for Slavery, it should be pointed out that slavery at various points was used by Andalusis but in fact more by the Maghrebis and the act of using, selling and dealing in Slavery continued by many countries up until a little more than a century ago&quot;

Slavery continues to this day in MOHAMMEDAN COUNTRIES like Sudan or the UAE where they use slave labor to build fugly, tacky but outrageously expensive  buildings: 
http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?Itemid=32&amp;id=1052&amp;option=com_content&amp;task=view
Or enslave children to serve as camel jockeys:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/saudis-sued-over-slave-camel-jockeys

Said the mohammedan:
&quot;most notably and organised in the United State via British, Portuguese and Dutch middle-men along with Arabs and Chinese – of which only one of those groups is Muslim&quot;

Let me rephrase that: yadda yadda yadda along with Arabs, Iranians, Ayyubids, Kurds, Turkmen, Seljuk Turks, Ottoman Turks, Berbers, Maghrebin, Tatars, Andalusi, Mongols, Uighurs, Mughals, Black muslims etc, etc, etc, all of which groups are mohammedan.  The Portuguese didn&#039;t create the demand of slaves, you mohammedans were capturing slaves and selling them for centuries since the beginning of islam in 7th century CE. At least the Portuguese didn&#039;t castrate the slaves, something the mohammedans used to do as there hardly are any black people in Arab countries, unlike America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Ibn Sina wasn&#8217;t born in Alandalus, fool,  nor was he an Arab, he was PERSIAN, another victim of Arab Supremacism since the Arabs destroyed the Persian Sassanian Empire in 644 CE, Islam had nothing to do with the genius of Ibn Sina.</p>
<p>Said the mohammedan:<br />
&#8220;As for Slavery, it should be pointed out that slavery at various points was used by Andalusis but in fact more by the Maghrebis and the act of using, selling and dealing in Slavery continued by many countries up until a little more than a century ago&#8221;</p>
<p>Slavery continues to this day in MOHAMMEDAN COUNTRIES like Sudan or the UAE where they use slave labor to build fugly, tacky but outrageously expensive  buildings:<br />
<a href="http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?Itemid=32&#038;id=1052&#038;option=com_content&#038;task=view" rel="nofollow">http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?Itemid=32&#038;id=1052&#038;option=com_content&#038;task=view</a><br />
Or enslave children to serve as camel jockeys:<br />
<a href="http://sweetness-light.com/archive/saudis-sued-over-slave-camel-jockeys" rel="nofollow">http://sweetness-light.com/archive/saudis-sued-over-slave-camel-jockeys</a></p>
<p>Said the mohammedan:<br />
&#8220;most notably and organised in the United State via British, Portuguese and Dutch middle-men along with Arabs and Chinese – of which only one of those groups is Muslim&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me rephrase that: yadda yadda yadda along with Arabs, Iranians, Ayyubids, Kurds, Turkmen, Seljuk Turks, Ottoman Turks, Berbers, Maghrebin, Tatars, Andalusi, Mongols, Uighurs, Mughals, Black muslims etc, etc, etc, all of which groups are mohammedan.  The Portuguese didn&#8217;t create the demand of slaves, you mohammedans were capturing slaves and selling them for centuries since the beginning of islam in 7th century CE. At least the Portuguese didn&#8217;t castrate the slaves, something the mohammedans used to do as there hardly are any black people in Arab countries, unlike America.</p>
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		<title>By: odiolosputosmoros</title>
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		<dc:creator>odiolosputosmoros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>said the mohammedan:
&quot;The father of medicine Ibn Sina as the best example, the concepts of Astronomy and even the basic structure of modern architecture all came from there&quot;

You should&#039;ve mentioned Mamonides since he was born in Alandalus and even he had to flee from the mohammedan mob in 1148 CE. Ibn I guess Ibn Sina&#039;s father was Galen since Sina copied from him and other sources, he was regarded as an heretic by the pious mohammedans, such is the way islam treats scholars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>said the mohammedan:<br />
&#8220;The father of medicine Ibn Sina as the best example, the concepts of Astronomy and even the basic structure of modern architecture all came from there&#8221;</p>
<p>You should&#8217;ve mentioned Mamonides since he was born in Alandalus and even he had to flee from the mohammedan mob in 1148 CE. Ibn I guess Ibn Sina&#8217;s father was Galen since Sina copied from him and other sources, he was regarded as an heretic by the pious mohammedans, such is the way islam treats scholars.</p>
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		<title>By: odiolosputosmoros</title>
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		<dc:creator>odiolosputosmoros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you accepted facts such as Shari’a is not in all or most Muslim countries that is an easy step. That the burqa and the viel is not the common dress of Muslim women in most of the world&quot;

As if that makes it any better, it&#039;ll be just a matter of time when the &quot;true mohammedans&quot; aka &quot;fundamentalists&quot; aka &quot;salafists&quot; will impose sharia on the unveiled women as Hamas is doing in Gaza or the salafists are doing in Kosovo.  Sharia destroyed Al-Andalus, the Ummayads were seen as decadent and were conquered by the Almoravid &quot;extremists&quot; and these were in turn conquered by the even more extremist Almohads.

said the mohammedan:
&quot;Remembering of course that Arab Iberia (it never was Spain nor Catholic before they arrived and thus the reconquesta is a bad name)&quot;

Get your history right, dumbass. The Roman Empire converted to Christianity in 380 CE, Hispania (Spain and Portugal) was part of the Empire until the Visigothic invasion around 5th century CE yet the Visigoths were already Christian, they were Arian Christians but converted to Catholicism in the 6th century CE before the mohammedan arrival at the dawn of the 8th century CE.  BTW Spain = España = Hispania you fool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you accepted facts such as Shari’a is not in all or most Muslim countries that is an easy step. That the burqa and the viel is not the common dress of Muslim women in most of the world&#8221;</p>
<p>As if that makes it any better, it&#8217;ll be just a matter of time when the &#8220;true mohammedans&#8221; aka &#8220;fundamentalists&#8221; aka &#8220;salafists&#8221; will impose sharia on the unveiled women as Hamas is doing in Gaza or the salafists are doing in Kosovo.  Sharia destroyed Al-Andalus, the Ummayads were seen as decadent and were conquered by the Almoravid &#8220;extremists&#8221; and these were in turn conquered by the even more extremist Almohads.</p>
<p>said the mohammedan:<br />
&#8220;Remembering of course that Arab Iberia (it never was Spain nor Catholic before they arrived and thus the reconquesta is a bad name)&#8221;</p>
<p>Get your history right, dumbass. The Roman Empire converted to Christianity in 380 CE, Hispania (Spain and Portugal) was part of the Empire until the Visigothic invasion around 5th century CE yet the Visigoths were already Christian, they were Arian Christians but converted to Catholicism in the 6th century CE before the mohammedan arrival at the dawn of the 8th century CE.  BTW Spain = España = Hispania you fool!</p>
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		<title>By: Solkhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solkhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it intersting that when facts are shown it comes down to personal attacks and the usual cut &amp; paste from the rightt-wing anti-Islam guide.   With some of you like &quot;Izzla-mo Fo&#039;bik&quot; obviously not even reading his/her guidebook enough to know what the difference between Sunii and Shi&#039;ite is to come up with that garbage.

Kaw on the other hand only read&#039;s Spencer and thus will one day face a shock when he discovers how much of that was propoganda and what reality is.     As for Patel, all Rhodes Scholars are referred to as an &quot;Oxford Elite&quot; and the word &quot;light&quot; is yours.

Remembering of course that Arab Iberia (it never was Spain nor Catholic before they arrived and thus the reconquesta is a bad name) was for a period of 800 years which a singular &quot;Spain&quot; has yet to reach that milestone actually had gone through two Golden Ages and the assumption that they only were documenting existing Greek sciences is a dishonor to every academic.  The father of medicine Ibn Sina as the best example, the concepts of Astronomy and even the basic structure of modern architecture all came from there - but of course your agenda requires for you to ingore these facts.  Note the word facts and even the Spanish government is now not only acknowledging these but capitalizing on it.

As for Slavery, it should be pointed out that slavery at various points was used by Andalusis but in fact more by the Maghrebis and the act of using, selling and dealing in Slavery continued by many countries up until a little more than a century ago - most notably and organised in the United State via British, Portuguese and Dutch middle-men along with Arabs and Chinese - of which only one of those groups is Muslim.

Dear blogger, go back to your friend Spencer and remind him that quoting only portions of other authors works and not the the entire refrerence does not make for an entire truth or factual basis.   That is what Spencer does and that is why he is constantly and correctly bagged by real academics including those that he has even quoted from.   Thus using that argument that &quot;he has said nothing incorrect&quot; is a wast and the reference should be that &quot;nothing that he has said is of value&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it intersting that when facts are shown it comes down to personal attacks and the usual cut &amp; paste from the rightt-wing anti-Islam guide.   With some of you like &#8220;Izzla-mo Fo&#8217;bik&#8221; obviously not even reading his/her guidebook enough to know what the difference between Sunii and Shi&#8217;ite is to come up with that garbage.</p>
<p>Kaw on the other hand only read&#8217;s Spencer and thus will one day face a shock when he discovers how much of that was propoganda and what reality is.     As for Patel, all Rhodes Scholars are referred to as an &#8220;Oxford Elite&#8221; and the word &#8220;light&#8221; is yours.</p>
<p>Remembering of course that Arab Iberia (it never was Spain nor Catholic before they arrived and thus the reconquesta is a bad name) was for a period of 800 years which a singular &#8220;Spain&#8221; has yet to reach that milestone actually had gone through two Golden Ages and the assumption that they only were documenting existing Greek sciences is a dishonor to every academic.  The father of medicine Ibn Sina as the best example, the concepts of Astronomy and even the basic structure of modern architecture all came from there &#8211; but of course your agenda requires for you to ingore these facts.  Note the word facts and even the Spanish government is now not only acknowledging these but capitalizing on it.</p>
<p>As for Slavery, it should be pointed out that slavery at various points was used by Andalusis but in fact more by the Maghrebis and the act of using, selling and dealing in Slavery continued by many countries up until a little more than a century ago &#8211; most notably and organised in the United State via British, Portuguese and Dutch middle-men along with Arabs and Chinese &#8211; of which only one of those groups is Muslim.</p>
<p>Dear blogger, go back to your friend Spencer and remind him that quoting only portions of other authors works and not the the entire refrerence does not make for an entire truth or factual basis.   That is what Spencer does and that is why he is constantly and correctly bagged by real academics including those that he has even quoted from.   Thus using that argument that &#8220;he has said nothing incorrect&#8221; is a wast and the reference should be that &#8220;nothing that he has said is of value&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: kaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that people like Solkhar can change their religion for the better - because if they cannot there will be a war - they will loose - but in reality no one will win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that people like Solkhar can change their religion for the better &#8211; because if they cannot there will be a war &#8211; they will loose &#8211; but in reality no one will win.</p>
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		<title>By: Izzla-mo Fo'bik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzla-mo Fo'bik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solkhar deserves our pity. He has obviously been thoroughly brainwashed and indoctrinated to the extent that he cannot think for himself. He is unable to think logically.

He does not understand that Islam is not a religion. It is a political cult.  Started by a control freak  who wanted to impose his will on others.  Gullible followers of Muhammad who swallow the &#039;peaceful&#039; propaganda are in a state of denial regarding the evil cruelty recorded in the Koran and the Hadiths.

A suggestion to Solkhar. Read the Ayatollah Khomeini&#039;s &#039;Sayings&#039; in his &quot;Little Green Book&quot;, translated from the Persian.

And read the Koran again. With an open mind. You might be shocked!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solkhar deserves our pity. He has obviously been thoroughly brainwashed and indoctrinated to the extent that he cannot think for himself. He is unable to think logically.</p>
<p>He does not understand that Islam is not a religion. It is a political cult.  Started by a control freak  who wanted to impose his will on others.  Gullible followers of Muhammad who swallow the &#8216;peaceful&#8217; propaganda are in a state of denial regarding the evil cruelty recorded in the Koran and the Hadiths.</p>
<p>A suggestion to Solkhar. Read the Ayatollah Khomeini&#8217;s &#8216;Sayings&#8217; in his &#8220;Little Green Book&#8221;, translated from the Persian.</p>
<p>And read the Koran again. With an open mind. You might be shocked!</p>
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		<title>By: kaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solkhar, 
Apart from falsely implying Patel to be a leading Oxford light, which he is not,  the simple fact is that the &quot;golden age of islam&quot; , which you are valiantly trying to uphold, was not a golden age for those subjugated under islam.  It was also not a time of massive development in the arts or the sciences - and most developments claimed are traced back to the Greeks.   For example - the scientific method was clearly demonstrated by Eratosthenes in 240BC - approx. 840 years before your religion was formulated.  El Cid is around the corner - and unless you folks do a little development he might be needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solkhar,<br />
Apart from falsely implying Patel to be a leading Oxford light, which he is not,  the simple fact is that the &#8220;golden age of islam&#8221; , which you are valiantly trying to uphold, was not a golden age for those subjugated under islam.  It was also not a time of massive development in the arts or the sciences &#8211; and most developments claimed are traced back to the Greeks.   For example &#8211; the scientific method was clearly demonstrated by Eratosthenes in 240BC &#8211; approx. 840 years before your religion was formulated.  El Cid is around the corner &#8211; and unless you folks do a little development he might be needed.</p>
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		<title>By: sheikyermami</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheikyermami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are welcome to explain why slavery sucks, Solkhar. 

Give it your best shot and beat Spencer with your logic, okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are welcome to explain why slavery sucks, Solkhar. </p>
<p>Give it your best shot and beat Spencer with your logic, okay?</p>
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		<title>By: Solkhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solkhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, a short one - your Iberian and Spanish history sucks and that may explain why you think Spencer said anything even remotely logical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, a short one &#8211; your Iberian and Spanish history sucks and that may explain why you think Spencer said anything even remotely logical.</p>
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