Comments on: Netherlands: Police Kills Dutchman in Islamic Rotterdam http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/ Sat, 26 May 2012 03:10:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mullah Lodabullah http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-184989 Mullah Lodabullah Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:40:56 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-184989 Solkhar wrote: I look at this in two areas, the first is that no matter how it is said or whatever context you put it into, the identification of one particular race or religion and collectively placing a restriction upon them is bigotry and to do so then is defeating the morals, ideals and values set upon by the society. Really, Solkhar? Isn't this how muslim nations such as Morocco operate, with restrictions on people of certain religions, and snitches to dob them in, while whinging about "bigotry" and all the rest of "allah's" grievance theatre. Stick to being a food critic. Solkhar wrote:
I look at this in two areas, the first is that no matter how it is said or whatever context you put it into, the identification of one particular race or religion and collectively placing a restriction upon them is bigotry and to do so then is defeating the morals, ideals and values set upon by the society.

Really, Solkhar? Isn’t this how muslim nations such as Morocco operate, with restrictions on people of certain religions, and snitches
to dob them in, while whinging about “bigotry” and all the rest of “allah’s” grievance theatre.

Stick to being a food critic.

]]> By: kaw http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-184964 kaw Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:14:06 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-184964 Solkhar, There are also non-muslim alternatives. Well, let the people choose, but I think that the current incumbent should be asked to resign politely. Solkhar,
There are also non-muslim alternatives. Well, let the people choose, but I think that the current incumbent should be asked to resign politely.

]]> By: Solkhar http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-184587 Solkhar Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:29:13 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-184587 Ozzman, there are two very ineresting candidates in Rotterdam that would be perfect, both have great administrative services, one was a war veteren the other a long-term lawyer, both friends and both native born and indigenous Nederlanders like myself. Oh, both are Muslim converts one about the same time as me in the early 1980's the other about ten or so years before that. The lawyer has received a public service medal from Queen Beatrix. Ozzman,

there are two very ineresting candidates in Rotterdam that would be perfect, both have great administrative services, one was a war veteren the other a long-term lawyer, both friends and both native born and indigenous Nederlanders like myself. Oh, both are Muslim converts one about the same time as me in the early 1980′s the other about ten or so years before that. The lawyer has received a public service medal from Queen Beatrix.

]]> By: ozzman http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-183892 ozzman Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:22:55 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-183892 Throw this corrupt mayor out . He does not deserve to be in office. Vote only for the natives please Throw this corrupt mayor out . He does not deserve to be in office. Vote only for the natives please

]]> By: steve warner http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-183851 steve warner Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:06:40 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-183851 SNIP SNIP

]]> By: Ella http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-183782 Ella Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:52:22 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-183782 Common guys! One of you (Non Muslim) talks about goverment that is at fault, doing nothing to protect native Dutchmen from Muslims and he wonders why that should be and talks about equal rights for everyone. The other one (Muslim) plainly states that he and the likes of him are part of that goverment - major,police, diplomat,judge to be etc... What is so difficult to understand? Can't you put two and two together? Stop talking -start doing something to prevent islamization of your countries! www.citizenwarrior.com can help you with this Common guys!

One of you (Non Muslim) talks about goverment that is at fault, doing nothing to protect native Dutchmen from Muslims and he wonders why that should be and talks about equal rights for everyone.
The other one (Muslim) plainly states that he and the likes of him are part of that goverment – major,police, diplomat,judge to be etc…

What is so difficult to understand? Can’t you put two and two together?

Stop talking -start doing something to prevent islamization of your countries! http://www.citizenwarrior.com can help you with this

]]> By: kaw http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-182330 kaw Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:49:44 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-182330 Solkhar, I agree that evil cannot be defeated by evil - perhaps it can never be defeated and another battle will always loom in the future. Is close observation of a particular group because statistically speaking they produce more terrorists then any other group bigotry? Perhaps it is - perhaps it is also common sense to do so. If American law enforcement officials had been allowed to follow their suspicions the attacks on NYC would not have happened. Atta and colleagues would have been arrested some months previously to the date when 3000+ were murdered. There is a fine line between a blind obedience to higher morals and stupidity - and none of us have quite figured out how to resolve that issue. I have no problems identifying with non-radical muslims - and most muslims are good people who work hard, contribute and are never heard of (as are most non-muslims) - however how does one tell the radicals from the non-radicals. This is a terrible position for the moderates to be in - dammed if they do nothing, damned if they make a statement against the excesses committed in the name of islam. The fact that many of the perpetrators in the attacks against NYC and other places have been well educated middle class muslims make the puzzle even more difficult to solve - it may well be vulnerable youth are easily swayed by questionable preachers abusing the quran as you understand it - but perhaps that is not how they understand it. It would help if the quran allowed more flexibility in interpretation - a point that appears to be under vigorous debate and which parallels the development of the catholic faith some few hundred years ago. But the moderate majority has to make a choice - this cannot be avoided and it cannot be delayed for much longer - and I think islam is now at a cross-roads. Your friends have contributed to the countries they moved to - but other muslims have not - and until a clearer divide between the two groups occurs one would be brave to accept all with open arms and no suspicion. This is of course exactly what the radicals want, to weaken the influence of the moderates using the psychology of the west - however until the moderates openly reject the extremists this situation cannot change. I also agree totally with your last sentence - and it is the job of the voting public to change that situation - on this however I am less than optimistic. A somewhat depressing, but probably accurate, point of view is that people get the government they deserve. Solkhar,
I agree that evil cannot be defeated by evil – perhaps it can never be defeated and another battle will always loom in the future. Is close observation of a particular group because statistically speaking they produce more terrorists then any other group bigotry? Perhaps it is – perhaps it is also common sense to do so. If American law enforcement officials had been allowed to follow their suspicions the attacks on NYC would not have happened. Atta and colleagues would have been arrested some months previously to the date when 3000+ were murdered. There is a fine line between a blind obedience to higher morals and stupidity – and none of us have quite figured out how to resolve that issue. I have no problems identifying with non-radical muslims – and most muslims are good people who work hard, contribute and are never heard of (as are most non-muslims) – however how does one tell the radicals from the non-radicals. This is a terrible position for the moderates to be in – dammed if they do nothing, damned if they make a statement against the excesses committed in the name of islam. The fact that many of the perpetrators in the attacks against NYC and other places have been well educated middle class muslims make the puzzle even more difficult to solve – it may well be vulnerable youth are easily swayed by questionable preachers abusing the quran as you understand it – but perhaps that is not how they understand it. It would help if the quran allowed more flexibility in interpretation – a point that appears to be under vigorous debate and which parallels the development of the catholic faith some few hundred years ago. But the moderate majority has to make a choice – this cannot be avoided and it cannot be delayed for much longer – and I think islam is now at a cross-roads. Your friends have contributed to the countries they moved to – but other muslims have not – and until a clearer divide between the two groups occurs one would be brave to accept all with open arms and no suspicion. This is of course exactly what the radicals want, to weaken the influence of the moderates using the psychology of the west – however until
the moderates openly reject the extremists this situation cannot change. I also agree totally with your last sentence – and it is the job of the voting public to change that situation – on this however I am less than optimistic. A somewhat depressing, but probably accurate, point of view is that people get the government they deserve.

]]> By: Solkhar http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-182183 Solkhar Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:27:44 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-182183 Kaw, I look at this in two areas, the first is that no matter how it is said or whatever context you put it into, the identification of one particular race or religion and collectively placing a restriction upon them is bigotry and to do so then is defeating the morals, ideals and values set upon by the society. IE defeating evil with evil never works. The second point is this, The Netherlands has already an integrated Muslims population, some being there for a very long time others arriving only recently. You do not see or know about them because of the fact that they are integrated. You have them also a part of the Dutch community in all areas from Ministers and parliamentarians to public servants to business leaders and members of the armed forces and law enforcement. They have done nothing but support and put maximum effort in doing their jobs and responsibilities as any other Nederlander. They are not in the newspapers, you only see the problems in the media. Thus for me your statement is simply wrong, I was 17 when I became a Muslim, the other Muslims that I grew up with were not the radicals but were the integrated but yet still faithfull Muslims. I became a diplomat and was involved in anti-terrorism activities before 9/11 and thus a part of national security, do you consider me a risque? My best longes and bes friend is a now a Crown Prosecutor and will become a judge soon enough, he was born Muslim of immigrant parents, he is not Arab origin and only speaks Dutch plus the typical Surah-recital Arabic. I can think of three more of my close circle of friends whom are public servents, one who was once a Captain of a Patriot Missile Battery and is now the head of a bureau in the Defence Ministry. It still comes down to how the government controls immigration, sets standards and then lives up to them. Kaw,

I look at this in two areas, the first is that no matter how it is said or whatever context you put it into, the identification of one particular race or religion and collectively placing a restriction upon them is bigotry and to do so then is defeating the morals, ideals and values set upon by the society. IE defeating evil with evil never works.

The second point is this, The Netherlands has already an integrated Muslims population, some being there for a very long time others arriving only recently. You do not see or know about them because of the fact that they are integrated. You have them also a part of the Dutch community in all areas from Ministers and parliamentarians to public servants to business leaders and members of the armed forces and law enforcement. They have done nothing but support and put maximum effort in doing their jobs and responsibilities as any other Nederlander. They are not in the newspapers, you only see the problems in the media.

Thus for me your statement is simply wrong, I was 17 when I became a Muslim, the other Muslims that I grew up with were not the radicals but were the integrated but yet still faithfull Muslims. I became a diplomat and was involved in anti-terrorism activities before 9/11 and thus a part of national security, do you consider me a risque? My best longes and bes friend is a now a Crown Prosecutor and will become a judge soon enough, he was born Muslim of immigrant parents, he is not Arab origin and only speaks Dutch plus the typical Surah-recital Arabic. I can think of three more of my close circle of friends whom are public servents, one who was once a Captain of a Patriot Missile Battery and is now the head of a bureau in the Defence Ministry.

It still comes down to how the government controls immigration, sets standards and then lives up to them.

]]> By: kaw http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-182025 kaw Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:46:11 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-182025 With all respect Solkar, until muslims actually take an open stand against the islamists I would not allow them into positions of power. Yes, it is a hard call, but I prefer to opt for the side of safety. The London bombers murdered 50+ and were not first generation - there was a mix of second and third generations. So being a second/third generation muslim is not sufficient justification to be ignored as a potential risk. There is more than sufficient evidence which suggests that a significant number of young muslims in the UK and in Europe have no intention of accepting the culture of the land. And no - I am NOT breaking any standards. While several people specifically state that the Dutchman killed in 2007 was not acting violently, the authorities have said little - and we are now two years past his murder! The immediate evidence supports the claim that the man was murdered. Keep that in mind!! When the authorities produces evidence to the contrary then consider that as well, but there is nothing available and so the evidence does condemn the police. Again the police officer who actually shot at the man needs to be identified - and several people state that it was actually a muslim female, which should normally be neither here nor there. Normally there would be an official inquiry completed with an open report - this does not seem to have happened. It seems likely that murder has been committed and if a muslim is being protected in order to practise some form of positive discrimination then the public needs to be informed. This is of concern because positive discrimination for minority groups, particularly muslims, is alive and well in Europe and it needs to be stopped. Since you know Rottendam then you are almost certainly aware of the problems that are being caused by the unwillingness of local law enforcement to ensure that all groups of society behave according to the law of the land - without exception. Not only public safety, but also education levels (etc) as well as the level of achievement of the minority groups in question are adversely affected by this PC malaise. Note here that the people who are at fault are the politicians who are giving these instructions - and NOT the majority of muslims. This is exactly why these events need to be examined in depth. What happened at the festival on the weekend is unclear - and this event was not the topic of my email - rather an event that seems to have been glossed over in 2007. When more becomes known about what happened at the music festival I will comment. Not every anti-muslim comment is "bigotted" - you may not like them and they may be ugly but many are justified. I live in a German university town - and now for the first time we are starting to see gangs of muslim youth causing problems. However, the authorities are turning their heads and, because of this, the potential for a violent clash at some time in the near future is significantly enhanced. We need to find solutions - recrimination are of little help. With all respect Solkar, until muslims actually take an open stand against the islamists I would not allow them into positions of power. Yes, it is a hard call, but I prefer to opt for the side of safety. The London bombers murdered 50+ and were not first generation – there was a mix of second and third generations. So being a second/third generation muslim is not sufficient justification to be ignored as a potential risk. There is more than sufficient evidence which suggests that a significant number of young muslims in the UK and in Europe have no intention of accepting the culture of the land. And no – I am NOT breaking any standards. While several people specifically state that the Dutchman killed in 2007 was not acting violently, the authorities have said little – and we are now two years past his murder! The immediate evidence supports the claim that the man was murdered. Keep that in mind!! When the authorities produces evidence to the contrary then consider that as well, but there is nothing available and so the evidence does condemn the police. Again the police officer who actually shot at the man needs to be identified – and several people state that it was actually a muslim female, which should normally be neither here nor there. Normally there would be an official inquiry completed with an open report – this does not seem to have happened. It seems likely that murder has been committed and if a muslim is being protected in order to practise some form of positive discrimination then the public needs to be informed. This is of concern because positive discrimination for minority groups, particularly muslims, is alive and well in Europe and it needs to be stopped. Since you know Rottendam then you are almost certainly aware of the problems that are being caused by the unwillingness of local law enforcement to ensure that all groups of society behave according to the law of the land – without exception. Not only public safety, but also education levels (etc) as well as the level of achievement of the minority groups in question are adversely affected by this PC malaise. Note here that the people who are at fault are the politicians who are giving these instructions – and NOT the majority of muslims. This is exactly why these events need to be examined in depth. What happened at the festival on the weekend is unclear – and this event was not the topic of my email – rather an event that seems to have been glossed over in 2007. When more becomes known about what happened at the music festival I will comment. Not every anti-muslim comment is “bigotted” – you may not like them and they may be ugly but many are justified. I live in a German university town – and now for the first time we are starting to see gangs of muslim youth causing problems. However, the authorities are turning their heads and, because of this, the potential for a violent clash at some time in the near future is significantly enhanced. We need to find solutions – recrimination are of little help.

]]> By: Mullah Lodabullah http://sheikyermami.com/2009/08/29/netherlands-police-kills-dutchman/comment-page-1/#comment-181935 Mullah Lodabullah Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:30:18 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=35078#comment-181935 Want to see an anti-Christian bigot, Solkhar? Do you have a mirror? Want to see an anti-Christian bigot, Solkhar? Do you have a mirror?

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