Europe’s Dark Age and Islam’s Golden Age: Two Facets of The Same Fiction?

Even Europes Dark Age was (a lot) Brighter than Islam’s Mythical “Golden Age”

Islam Watch

Quote from this excellent article:

“An Islamic world of enormous cities endowed with all the wealth of antiquity and the plunder gathered in the Muslim wars of conquest.”

Now we all know why this period of history was called the Golden Age of Islam. This was because of the piles of ill-gotten gold from looted temples and churches, booty from the conquered and Jjizya (tribute) from infidels.  When the source dried up after they killed the Golden Goose, so did this Golden Age come to an end.

Popular history books tell us that Euruope’s Dark Ages (8-10th century) was Islam’s Golden Age — a Golden Age without any hard facts…

According to the history books, the Early Middle Ages, the period stretching roughly from the first quarter of the seventh century to the first quarter of the tenth, was a crucial time forEurope and the Middle East. For Europe, this was the very darkest phase of the so-called Dark Ages, an era during which the light of Classical Civilization was finally extinguished. However, for the Middle East, which from about 635 onwards became Muslim, it was a very different story. The next three centuries, far from constituting a “Dark Age”, became a veritable Golden Age. This was to be the high point of Islamic civilization: three centuries during which the Islamdom led the world in science, philosophy, wealth and culture. As Europe floundered in poverty and darkness, with cities abandoned and violence everywhere, Muslim rulers such as Harun al-Rashid and Al-Mamum presided over a flourishing and enlightened urban civilization.

That, at least, is the story told in all the textbooks. But proper examination of facts suggests that this is mostly, if not completely, a myth. In reality, neither the European Dark Age nor the Islamic Golden Age has any basis in fact: These are little more than two facets of a single fictitious historical narrative, a narrative which has however been around for many centuries; one that derives from the written histories of early Islam and of Europe. Until the nineteenth century, no-one had any real reason to question this version of events. After all, the Islamic world, at least by the beginning of the eleventh century, did seem to be far ahead of Europe. Did we not get our numeral system (“Arabic numerals”) from the Arabs, as well as algebra, alcohol, and a host of other techniques and technologies? All the evidence seemed to indicate that the Muslim world was, in the centuries preceding the eleventh, advanced and sophisticated, while Europe was mired in a primitive barbarism.

But this view has now faced a serious challenge: For, in the twentieth century, a whole new body of evidence became available to historians; evidence unavailable to previous generations of scholars: The evidence of archaeology. And what archaeology tells us has been devastating to the traditional view.

By the mid-twentieth century, archaeologists had begun to put together a fairly comprehensive picture of the archaeology of Europe and the Near East. Indeed, several areas of the Near East, such as Egypt, Palestine and Iraq, were and remain among the most thoroughly excavated regions of the earth.

Medievalists had, of course, been very interested in throwing light on the somewhat romantic though apparently fabulously wealthy and cultured Islamic world of the seventh, eighth and ninth centuries. Strange and wonderful tales were told of this epoch, though all agreed it was an age of high civilization. This was the age of the Omayyad and Abbasid Caliphs; the romantic epoch of Scheherazade and Harun Al-Rashid, the fabulously opulent Caliph of Baghdad, who is said to have donned the disguise of a commoner and wandered by night through the dimly-lit streets of the metropolis—a city of reputedly a million people. This epoch, and this alone, is said to have marked the age of Islam’s cultural ascendancy. Consider the following description from an English historian of eighth-tenth century Cordoba, typical of the genre: “In Spain … the foundation of Umayyad power ushers in an era of unequalled splendour, which reaches its height in the early part of the tenth century. The great university of Cordova is thronged with students … while the city itself excites the wonder of visitors from Germany and France. The banks of the Guadalquivir are covered with luxurious villas, and born of the ruler’s caprice rises the famous Palace of the Flower, a fantastic city of delights” (H. St. L. B. Moss, The Birth of the Middle Ages; 395-814, Oxford University Press, 1935, p. 172). All agree that, in later years, from the late eleventh century onwards, the Islamic world began to fall rapidly behind the West.

On the word of the written histories, then, archaeologists expected to find, from Spain to eastern Iran, a flourishing and vibrant culture. An Islamic world of enormous cities endowed with all the wealth of antiquity and the plunder gathered in the Muslim wars of conquest. They hoped to find palaces, public baths, universities and mosques; all richly decorated with marble, ceramic and carved stone.

In fact, they found nothing of the sort.

The archaeological non-appearance of the Islamic Golden Age is surely one of the most remarkable discoveries to come to light in the past century. It has not achieved the sensational headlines we might expect, for the simple reason that a non-discovery is of much less interest to the public than a discovery. Then again, as archaeologists searched in vain through site after site, they imagined they had just been unlucky; that with the next day’s dig, the fabulous palaces and baths would be uncovered. And this has been the pattern now for a hundred years. In fact, the entire Islamic world is a virtual blank for roughly three centuries.

Normally, we find one or two finds attributed to the seventh century, then nothing for three centuries, then a resumption of archaeological material in the mid- or late-tenth century. Take, for example Egypt,the largest and most populous Islamic country during the Early Middle Ages. The Muslim conquest of the country occurred in 638 or 639, and we should expect the invaders to have begun, almost immediately, using the wealth of the land to begin building numerous and splendid places of worship, but apparently they didn’t. Only two mosques in the whole of Egypt, both in Cairo, are said to date from before the eleventh century: the Amr ibn al-As (641) and the Ahmad ibn Tulun (878). However, the latter building has many features found only in mosques of the eleventh century, so its date of 878 is disputed. Thus, in Egypt, we have a single place of worship, the mosque of Amr ibn al-As, dating from the mid-seventh century, then nothing for another three-and-a-half centuries. Why, in an enormous country with up to, perhaps, five million inhabitants, should the Muslims wait over 300 years before building themselves places of worship?

And it is the same throughout the Islamic world. No matter where we go, from Spain to Iran, there is virtually nothing between circa 650 and 950. Spain, as we have seen, is supposed to have witnessed a flowering of Islamic culture and civilization in the two centuries after the Arab conquest of 711; and the city of Cordoba is said to have grown to a sophisticated metropolis of half-a-million people or more. We recall the description of a flourishing and vastly opulent metropolis painted by the writer quoted above. Yet the same author admitted that “Little remains of the architecture of this period.” Little indeed! As a matter of fact, the only Muslim structure in the whole of Spain dating from before the eleventh century is the so-called Mosque of Cordoba; yet even this, strictly-speaking, is not an Islamic construction: It was originally the Visigothic Cathedral of Saint Vincent, which was converted, supposedly in the days of Abd er-Rahman I, to a mosque. Yet the Islamic features that exist could equally belong to the time of Abd er-Rahman III (latter tenth century), whom we know did conversion work on the Cathedral, adding a minaret and a new façade (Louis Bertrand, The History of Spain, p. 54). Most of the Islamic features in the building actually come after Abd er-Rahman III, and there is no secure way of dating anything in it to the eighth century.

The poverty of visible Islamic remains is normally explained by the proposition that the Christians destroyed the Muslim monuments after the city’s re-conquest. But this solution is inherently a suspect. Granted the Christians might have destroyed all the mosques, though even that seems unlikely, but they certainly would not have destroyed opulent palaces, baths, fortifications, etc. Yet none of these—none, at least, ascribed to the eighth to early tenth centuries—has survived. And even granting that, such a universal and pointless destruction did take place, we have to assume that at least under the ground, we would find an abundance of Arab foundations, as well as artifacts, tools, pottery etc. Indeed, in a city of half-a-million people, as Cordoba of the eight, ninth and tenth centuries is said to have been—the archaeologist would expect to find—a superabundance of such things. They should be popping out of the ground with almost every shovel-full of dirt.Now Cordoba has been extensively excavated over the past seventy years or so, often specifically to search for Arab/Moorish remains. What then has been found?

According to the prestigious Oxford Archaeological Guide, the city has revealed, after exhaustive excavations: (a) The south-western portion of the city wall, which was “presumably” of the ninth century; (b) A small bath-complex, of the 9th/10th century; and (c) A “part” of the Umayyad (8-9th century) mosque (The Oxford Archaeological Guide, Collins, 1998). This is all that can be discovered from two-and-a-half centuries of the history of a city of supposedly half-a-million people. And the rest of Spain, which has been investigated with equal vigor, can deliver little else. The foundations of a small house here and a few fragments of pottery there, usually of doubtful date and often described as “presumably” of ninth century or such like.

The sheer poverty of these remains makes it clear that the fabulously wealthy Cordoba of the eighth, ninth and early tenth centuries is a myth; and the elusive nature of all materials from these three centuries, in every part of the Islamic world, makes us wonder whether the rise of Islam has been somehow misdated: For the first real mark left (in archaeological terms) by Islam in Spain is dated to the mid-tenth century, to the time of Abd er-Rahman III, whose life bears many striking comparisons with his namesake and supposed ancestor Abd er-Rahman I, of the eighth century.

Again, there are strange and striking parallels between the major events of Islamic history of the seventh and eighth centuries on the one hand and of the tenth and eleventh centuries on the other. Thus, for example, the Christian Reconquista in Spain is supposed to have commenced around 720, with the victory of Don Pelayo at Covadonga; but the real Reconquista began three hundred years later with the victories of Sancho of Navarre around 1020. Similarly, the Islamic invasion of northern India supposedly commenced around 710-720 with the victories of Muhammed bin Qasim, though the “real” Islamic conquest of the region began with the victories of Mahmud of Ghazni, roughly between 1010 and 1020. Yet again, the impact of Islam on Europe seems not have been felt until the late tenth and eleventh centuries, though commonsense would suggest that it should have been felt three hundred years earlier. Henri Pirenne, for example, was criticized by Alfons Dopsch for suggesting that Islam terminated Classical Civilization in Europe in the seventh century by its blockade of the Mediterranean. Thus, said Dopsch, Europe should have become “Medieval” by the late seventh century. Yet many of the characteristics of medieval society, such as the rise of feudalism and castle-building, said Dopsch, only appear in the late tenth century. And obviously Islamic ideas, such as Holy War, were only copied by the Europeans in the eleventh century.

What then does all this mean?

The lack of Muslim archaeology from before the tenth and eleventh centuries (with the exception of two or three monuments such as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and the Amr ibn al-As mosque in Cairo, usually of the mid-seventh century), would indicate that the rise of Islam has been misdated, and that some form of error has crept into the chronology. But error or not, the fact that, virtually nothing from before the mid-tenth century has been found, means that Islam was not a flourishing, opulent and cultured civilization whilst Europe was mired in the Dark Ages. By the late tenth century, Europe was experiencing her own “renaissance”, with a flowering of “Romanesque” art and architecture, much of it strongly reminiscent of the Late Classical work of the Merovingian and Visigothic period.

The meaning of this archaeological “dark age”, of central importance to our understanding of European and Islamic history, will be discussed more fully in a subsequent article.

The above article summarizes arguments found in John O’Neill’s Holy Warriors: Islam and the Demise of Classical Civilization (Felibri Publications).

…And the Aztecs Invented the Wire-Recorder

by Baron Bodissey

On September 25th, 1957, during his address to the Central Committee of the Communist Party in Moscow, U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower said the following:

“As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Soviet Russia. It was Russia — at places like the Leningrad Polytechnic Institute — that carried the light of learning through so many decades, paving the way for the liberation of Europe. It was innovation in the Soviet Republics that developed the light bulb; radio and television; our mastery of outer space; our ability to conquer many diseases. Soviet culture has given us majestic avenues and soaring towers; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant iconography and places of political refuge. And throughout history, socialism has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of social justice and political equality.”

No he didn’t, not really.

But I didn’t make the quote up entirely. It was taken, with a few judiciously-chosen alterations in the text, from Barack Hussein Obama’s famous speech in Cairo back in June.

Here’s what President Obama actually said:
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“As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar University — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”

Muslims, like the Soviets, claim to have invented virtually everything in the world.

As Fjordman remarked:

Is there even a single truthful statement in this entire paragraph? Muslims did create some fine calligraphy, and a few of their scholars made contributions to algebra, but apart from that it’s almost total nonsense. The magnetic compass was invented by the Chinese and possibly by Europeans and others independently. Printing of books, too, was invented by the Chinese, and was stubbornly and persistently rejected by Muslims for a thousand years or more due to Islamic religious resistance. They liked the Chinese invention of gunpowder a lot more.

The misattribution of scientific and cultural achievements to Islam is now widespread among the elite dhimmis of the Western world. Our political and cultural leaders are falling all over themselves to rewrite history and attribute to Islam a wide range of major accomplishments that do not belong to it.

The problem with this willful campaign of misinformation is not just that popular knowledge of the facts of history is on the wane — which is bad enough — but that we are purveying these lies and distortions ourselves.

Imagine what it would have been like during the Cold War if President Eisenhower had journeyed into the heart of the Evil Empire and told the Soviets what a grand job he thought they were doing.

Picture John F. Kennedy praising Fidel Castro for his accomplishments in agriculture, medicine, and education.

What if Ronald Reagan had apologized to Mikhail Gorbachev for America’s half-century of misguided hostility towards Soviet Communism?

Under the current circumstances, we can’t even acknowledge that we are in a deadly civilizational war, let alone fight it and win it. To the culture at large, the war doesn’t even exist.

All we can do is hunt down “terrorists” in the mountains of Afghanistan — without ever profiling them or violating their civil rights, mind you.

President Obama has done much to accelerate the Frankfurt School’s long-term goal of inducing a general cultural amnesia about Western Civilization. Our grandchildren will go down to their ruin without ever knowing what it is they have lost.

We would do well to learn a lesson from the Russians about the long-term effectsof the Memory Hole:

For journalist Masha Gessen who was brought up on Soviet post-war patriotic songs claiming Soviet science led the way to the skies, it was a shock to learn that fiction had often been blended with fact.

“What you learn as a child really stays with you,” she says. “And sometimes it’s a revelation to me now when I find out — now, in my 30s — that something has its origins elsewhere in the world when I was convinced the whole time that it had its origins in Russia.”

Within a generation or two, everyone will know that all the wonders of modernity — or whatever remains of them by that time — can be credited to the magnificence of Islamic civilization.

48 thoughts on “Europe’s Dark Age and Islam’s Golden Age: Two Facets of The Same Fiction?”

  1. LYING and HYPOCRISY are two of the main Pillars of Islam the others are VIOLENCE, MISOGYNY and ANTISEMITISM.

  2. The resident troll will have a field day with this bit of right wing agenda-driven hate mongering… (ignore me, it’s the Vietnamese iced coffee)

  3. Well it is BS and we have to wonder why it was written.

    The term Golden Age is another way of saying the “best times” or “Renaissance” which is what the subject is referring to, not the collection of Gold, because then we can say not many nations had a Golden Age.

    The fact is that some people with anti-Islam agendas are unable to accept the reality that for periods over 800 years, particularly in Damascus, Baghdad, Samarkand and Cordoba life was at a quality that it allowed for study, poetry, music, education, sciences and philosophy. That some of those places had seweredge and sanitation, hospitals, universities and much more – while Europe was fighting off the affects of the dark ages and most people slept in squaller, suffered at the hands of church-inforced ignorance, disease and so on.

    That is the fact, plain and simple and that is why I repeat that the blog-owner either has a significant failure in history knowledge or simply wants to tell “another history” for malicious reasons.

  4. The Iron Burka is falling upon the civilised world, bringing ignorance, allah-mandated terror, and a rapid descent into barbarism.

    It ends at Megiddo, in the Valley of Jezreel, Medinat Yisrael.

  5. Solkhar what happened to the so called Islamic ‘Golden Age’ why are Islamic countries now the cesspit of the world. Why couldn’t Mohammedan Arabs even find the Oil which was right beneath their feet. Why has no Mohammedan ever invented or developed anything of note. You might not know why cos your BF will not tell you but we know. The so called ‘Golden Age’ was when Islam took the fruits of its conquests by the sword the assets and knowledge of conquered peoples AND FRITTERED IT ALL AWAY BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO STUPID TO DEVELOP IT.

  6. They are bringing it back, Realist – a new “Golden Age” in Morocco!

    Allah’s stoolpigeon will be pleased with this islamic initiative:

    nytimes.com/2009/08/27/world/africa/27morocco.html?em
    Islamic Radicalism Slows Moroccan Reforms

    By STEVEN ERLANGER and SOUAD MEKHENNET
    Published: August 26, 2009

    CASABLANCA, Morocco — Morocco has long been viewed as a rare liberalizing, modernizing Islamic state, open to the West and a potential bridge to a calmer Middle East that can live in peace with Israel.

    But under pressure from Islamic radicalism, King Mohammed VI has slowed the pace of change. Power remains concentrated in the monarchy; democracy seems more demonstrative than real. While insisting that the king is committed to deeper reforms, senior officials speak instead of keeping a proper balance between freedom and social cohesion. Many discuss the threat of extremism in neighboring Algeria.

    […]

    Flee from it Solkhar – judgement is coming.

  7. Hmm… the Dutch have a grown a (small) pair, and taken a stand against the Iron Burka. Too little, too late?

    dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/08/islamic_school_fined_for_integ.php

    Islamic school ‘fined’ for integration failure

    Thursday 27 August 2009

    Amsterdam city council and the national government have cut funding to the As Siddieq Islamic school group because it has ‘failed to meet agreements on citizenship and social integration’.

    The primary school came under fire again earlier this month when a former teacher wrote to the Parool newspaper the official attitude to non-Muslims and saying children were being encouraged not to integrate. The school has three locations in the capital. […]

  8. Mullah I am still waiting for the Troll to give me the list of Islamic Democracies ‘cos his BF told him Mohammedans invented Democracy and Hospitals remember him claiming that. He still cant explain how they couldnt find the Oil which was right beneath their feet though and tell us why no Mohammedan ever invented anything to use the Oil they couldnt find LOL . Golden Age my arse as they say in the ‘Royle Family’

  9. Yes I remember that bit of BS about muslims inventing democracy & hospitals. I accept that Wikipedia isn’t always the best source on a specific subject, but this entry looks reasonably sound, even if a little different from Solkhar’s role-playing fantasy version:

    Knights Hospitaller (that well-known muslim order)

    [In 600, Abbot Probus was commissioned by Pope Gregory the Great to build a hospital in Jerusalem to treat and care for Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. In 800, Charlemagne, Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, enlarged Probus’ hospital and added a library to it. About 200 years later, in 1005, Caliph Al Hakim destroyed the hospital and three thousand other buildings in Jerusalem. In 1023, merchants from Amalfi and Salerno in Italy were given permission by the Caliph Ali az-Zahir of Egypt to rebuild the hospital in Jerusalem.]

    A muslim caliph destroying a hospital, library & a heap of other buildings sounds about right. Mo was born about 570 Anno Domini, and lost no time attacking the hospitals that muslims supposedly
    invented.

  10. I wanted to ask the same question of Solkar..Why are islamic countries not ”golden” now? Why are they all hellholes? Even Ed Hussein was shocked by what it was like to live as a muslim in Saudi. After living in several places in the Middle east , he concluded that it was easier to live as a muslim in the UK. So why is this Solkar?

  11. theresaj,

    The answer is very simple, the industrialization started in the west, allowing for better economy which leads to liberalism. In addition, the industrialization resulted in military dominance and thus colonization and the result is that the rest of the world was colonized and dominated leaving them the way you see them now.

    When people on blogs like this ask the question, I like to ask them why they presume that the world is only Western and Muslim when there are a great many other countries that are non-Muslim, have not Muslim influences and are suffering the same economic “Golden Ages” as you remark.

    Reality sucks.

  12. I should add one more point, I can think of 7 Muslim countries that I could easily live in, with this one (Morocco) the number one choice. I certainly do not live in a hell-hole, I live a better quality of life in fact than I do at my house in Rotterdam plus with all the social and cultural benefits that I seek.

    1. Tell us, solkhar: do Moroccan Muslims read another Koran?

      And perhaps you can let us know whether your comfortable lifestyle in Morocco is because of Islam or in spite of Islam?

  13. Good for you Solkar. I would be interested to know which seven countries you refer to. I have lived in one muslim country and visited quite a number of others.
    There is a new post on Morocco so I shall be interested to read your comments on it.

  14. Solkhar please tell us what part Mohammedans played in the wealth of Holland apart from providing the spices the entrepreneurial DUTCH brought to Europe from Indonesia. Also we are STILL witing for you to show us exactly how Islam INVENTED Democracy and Hospitals with references that prove that neith concepts existed BEFORE Islam and als STILL waiting for your list of Islamic Democracies.

  15. It seems as though Solkhar still has a house in Rotterdam, if things in Morocco turn nasty and the “radicals” take control.

  16. Thats not all he’s munching thresaj Solkhar must really love his Morroccan BF to follow him home.

  17. Tell us Solkhar do you agree with the HYPOCRITICAL Mohammedan principle of death for ‘turd burglars’ in life but the provision of ‘Pearly Boys’ for sex in the ‘Islamic knocking shop in the sky’.

  18. I am always struck by the defenders of pisslam, however, far from any scholarship, the eyes and the ears of a layman are enough to see the pit which separates the musslim world, which maybe it profited from the Greek writings, don’t have learned anything from it nor retained, and is remained in the Deepest Mindless State….
    What have thus these people to refuse, even to spit on Western civilization (so plentiful), and to admire mental nothingness and musslim Moronic fanaticism…..

  19. I would happily answer you all but the blog-owner now deletes my posts because he was caught out in three direct lies and has no longer the capacity to respond without making himself look even obviously incorrect.

    His problem is that he proudly pronounced that he knows history and Islam and then stated that the Qur’an did not come until 200 years after Mohammed which contradicts every aspect of history of the region and his own previous postings about 8th century Islam – which by his history did not have a Qur’an even though they were already in southern Iberia and South Asia.

    He continued also to spout the accussation that Jihad is a sactioned and integral part of Islam as proscribed by the Five Schools of Islamic thought and jurispudence and cannot come up with the evidence because it is untrue. I had challenged him on that before and he just avoided the subject or stated that “he is in charge of the blog, not me” as if that is an excuse.

    The whole point is I have nothing against those who have great concerns and even riducle the actions of Muslims and the stupidity of certain clerics and governments and the dangers and real fears of terrorism, I know it I have suffered personally from terrorism and worked for years against it. What I am fully against is those agenda based groups who collectively attack the entire faith and religion whom are themselves radicals and fuel the evidence that radicals in my own religion say is proof that the West are just selfish colonialists and Christian crusaders. I also detest prosthelitizing bigots whom attempt to ridicule one religion and then sell their own – be they Christians, Muslims or whatever religion.

    So I presume this post will be also be cut and you will wonder why I am no longer on the blog – simply the agenda of the blog-owner dictates that if you cannot drown out those with apposing views with floods of individual examples, go to personal ridicule and then if that does not work out or in this case have failed the debate – just block and cut their postings out altogether.

    So much for kaw’s request for serious debate – as I told him, I doubted this blog-owner is able to do so.

  20. The blog-owner is deleting your posts, is he, Solkhar?

    Apart from being his prerogative to delete any comment he likes,
    including this one, where is the evidence?

    Caught faking again, Solkhar?

    I can see quite a few of your comments on this topic alone – can’t you use the eyes that “allah” didn’t give you?

    Solkhar August 27, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Well it is BS and we have to wonder why it was written.

    […]

    Well Solkhar, you are quite the BS artist, playing your victim card.

  21. A confession that you can and do delete as a blog-owner’s perogative tells a lot, you will though for administrative reasons have to explain the “moderation” phrase that appears on my posts.

  22. Speaking of BS artist blog-owner, can you explain how during the 7th to the 9th century and the great expansion of Islam how they did that without a copy of the Qur’an considering that you somehow informed me that the Book was not created until 200 years after the death of Mohammed?

    Oh, and continuing on the BS artist topic, have you come up with any evidence or other documentary proof for your continued assertion that the Five Schools of Islamic Thought and Jurisprudence endorses, professes or announced the existance of Jihad? Remember that the first time you said that they are not important but now you have asserted and named it as a source twice – yet without any evidence.

    I would be (as I am sure other readers) very greateful for clarification and evidence of this accussation of yours.

    Waiting with enthusiasm.

  23. I am not the blog owner, Solkhar – I have no power to delete comments
    on this site, & I would possibly be committing a crime if I hacked in and
    did so.

  24. My mistake and apologize to you, I have no problem acknowledging when I screw up.

    Apart from that the rest of the postings still stand.

  25. I wonder what the “Five Schools of Islamic Thought and
    Jurisprudence”have to say about Jews living in Yerushalayam,
    or the existence of the Beis Hamikdash?

    [The Palestinian Authority’s chief Islamic judge, Sheikh Tayseer Rajab Tamimi, said on Wednesday that there was no evidence to back up claims that Jews had ever lived in Jerusalem or that the Temple ever existed.]

    More muslim blasphemy against Jesus Christ the Son of God, and against God the Father, for whom the Temple was a dwelling…

    “Moreover, you are to take with you the silver and gold that the king and his advisers have freely given to the God of Israel, whose dwelling is in Jerusalem…” (Ezra 7:15)

    Muslims deny these things at their peril, Solkhar.

  26. Comments from the PA are politically motivated for local consumption.

    All Five Schools of Islam recognise Al Qods (Jerusalem) as a Holy City and do not deny its history. As theological schools go, they base their views on religious scriptures and principles, thus for them (or should we say us), they recognize the events of all the Prophets and its link to that holy place. But considering that claims of it being the eternal city of the Jews – according to Islam it is BUT Jews (and Christians to that matter) all should have become Muslims anyhow.

    I will avoid the topic of politics of the subject, that is another matter, but what is important is that the pure religious views are often completely different to the political rhetoric which is a very hot subject.

  27. But considering that claims of it being the eternal city of the Jews – according to Islam it is BUT Jews (and Christians to that matter) all should have become Muslims anyhow.

    Well that is not going to happen, Solkhar – God is going to put a hook in the jaw of Gog and his allies – Persia, Libya, Ethiopia etc, and drag them into battle against Israel and destroy them. The Jews won’t convert to islam – they will be busy burying the invaders at Hamona.

    Christians will very likely have been caught up to meet Jesus Christ
    in the air before this happens – muslims can basically have a blood fest against God and each other.

  28. “they recognize the events of all the Prophets and its link to that holy place”

    Do the “Five Schools of Islam” recognise the crucifixion of Jesus Christ,
    or do they, like the false prophet, deny that it happened?

  29. It would be a rather silly question to ask if the Five Schools of Islam believe anything other than what the Prophet Mohammed said.

    “That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them [or it appeared so unto them], and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.”

    — [Qur’an 4:157]

    Remember of course that Muslims believe that the events of the Prophets was corrected were necessary because of the handling of men and translations (be they with good intention or not).

  30. Yes, Solkhar, which is why any or all muslims who believe that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God and was not crucified for our sins are doomed to the lake of [everlasting] fire.

    What did the false prophet say about jihad that would require any
    input from the “Five Schools of Islam”, if muslims can so casually
    reject the crucifixion without their “help”?

    Here are a few muslims celebrating Ramavan & seeking to get to the lake of fire in a hurry…

    [A wave of suicide bomb attacks and armed assaults on police and security forces in Chechnya and next-door Ingushetia and Dagestan has marked the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in Russia’s North Caucasus.

    As well as the immediate threat of destabilisation in the entire North Caucasus, the Kremlin is worried radical Islamism may spread across other Muslim regions.]

    This is what muslims do, Solkhar, and is largely how islam will be
    destroyed. This is war (not jihad) Solkhar. Islam is doomed.

  31. Pathetic. You completely omitted the Mongol and Ottoman conquests who completely ruined everything. Mongols sacked Baghdad for the first time in 1258; other Mongolo-Turkics would continue their raids on Arab and Persian territory, albeit being Muslims themselves, the best example being Timur. The Ottomans weren’t kind either. What they did was more brutal than what anything the Arabs did.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_Caliphates
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_historic_inventions

    Notice how Muslim inventions declined after Baghdad and other cities got sacked.

    Comparable to the Vandals of Rome, isn’t it?

    Why are Muslim countries hell holes today? Well, why is Central Europe not a superpower today? Being in the middle means having to be strong on both fronts.

    The Muslim world was literally at the center of the old world. We had to attend to all sides. The Mongols pretty much were overkill. Of course that left us open to attacks from a recovering Europe. Say hello to colonialism.

    Arabs had been the worst hit. They’ve been at war with Israel, and in the case of Iraq, no doubt the most powerful and advanced country at that time, with America. Iraq was the most secular Arab country during Saddam’s reign, along with Syria. Pakistan warred with India. Afghanistan with the Soviets. American and Saudi funded Islamists ruined things for those two further.

    Iran and Syria today are both among the top Muslim countries, yet they are sanctioned so terribly they can’t get anywhere. Not to mention Syria’s wars with Israel. In fact, without the sanctions, lifestyle in Iran may have been comparable to Turkey.

    In the end, it’s this: Pro-American leaders are corrupt and serve as puppet states; anti-American leaders can’t fix a thing due to sanctions, political isolation, and etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)

    “Iraq in 1258 was very different from present day Iraq. Its agriculture was supported by canal networks thousands of years old. Baghdad was one of the most brilliant intellectual centers in the world. The Mongol destruction of Baghdad was a psychological blow from which Islam never recovered. Already Islam was turning inward, becoming more suspicious of conflicts between faith and reason and more conservative. With the sack of Baghdad, the intellectual flowering of Islam was snuffed out. Imagining the Athens of Pericles and Aristotle obliterated by a nuclear weapon begins to suggest the enormity of the blow. The Mongols filled in the irrigation canals and left Iraq too depopulated to restore them.”

    Oh, and if you’re wondering why no mosques were built in a “country of five million”, then contemplate this: why would they build mosques for a Christian country? They didn’t just magically become Muslim the moment they were conquered you know. Don’t bs me about forced conversion; how can small Arabian tribes force convert five million people?

    You fail at logic. If to any reader it is not apparent that you are either dumb, or a liar, then I don’t know what to say other than this. I don’t feel compelled to answer the rest of your apocryphal points at all.

  32. Yes and the sun also sets in a puddle of mud according the quran (or hadith?). Just shows you how well they contributed to science.

    And if you look up to pray your eyes will get snatched out of your head. Well, actually this was just because mohammed was angry at the Jews for not falling for his lies/hallucinations and he wanted to insult them.

  33. “I live a better quality of life in fact than I do at my house in Rotterdam plus with all the social and cultural benefits that I seek.”

    Well that’s the solution then, Solkhar. Leave the Netherlands and go back to your muslim countries where you can oppress your women and lift your asses.

    I’m sure the Dutch will appreciate this because research has shown that the one group most criminals in the Netherlands belong to is Moroccans. 54% of youths born in the Netherlands since 1984 of Moroccan descent commit a crime by age 22. Among a third of this group, they are arrested 5 times or more.

    Among Surinamese (former colony) this occurs in the case of 43%, whereas 41% of Turks are arrested before they turn 23.

    So how does this compare with the ethnic Dutch? 20% of Dutch young men are arrested once before they turn 23.

    AND there is also a difference in the TYPES OF CRIMES: the ethnic Dutch are usually arrested for vandalism, disturbing the peace, and traffic offenses.

    But Moroccans commit property crimes (robberies and theft I assume) and the Turks tend to commit violent crimes.

    Source: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7040652/__Helft_Marokkaan-se_jeugd_pleegde_misdrijf__.html

    So by all means, it won’t be a pity to see these ‘allochtonen’ (immigrants) go… take them with them and tell them how the grass is greener in muslim countries in the MEA so they can all leave Europe – Europeans are fed up with you lot.

  34. Well since none of you bothered to prove me wrong~

    Constantinople was in 1453. The Golden Age was OVER, Baghdad was sacked at least twice by then (probably more), and Granada was about to fall. Did I not say above that the Ottomans were brutal? Did I not already say “The Ottomans weren’t kind either. What they did was more brutal than what anything the Arabs did.” Did I not? Are you even reading? Do you even comprehend my words? Are you anything more than a broken propaganda robot of hate?

    As for Arab ethnic cleansing; there has been no such thing. DNA tests prove indigenous populations of “Arab” countries are virtually untouched. They’re just culturally Arabized and Islamized, as one can see with Blacks. If it weren’t for the different body physique and accent, who would even differentiate between them and Whites today? They’re mostly Christian and they speak a good bit of English. Have they been “ethnically cleansed”?

    You can stereotype and continue with your senseless hate campaign all day long. It really won’t prove you right, nor will it prove me wrong.

    Please quote a reliable historic source that can prove me wrong. This is a challenge. Most Islamophobes can’t stand up to it. Can you?

    I love how you changed the subject from history to the Qur’an. Your conduct merely demonstrates my aforementioned points that you really have nothing to prove here. All you do is insult me, Islam, Arabs, and everything about us, resorting to personal and off-topic attacks whenever we make an excellent point.

    Before reading this article, I had actually read one where the author exclaimed at how us Muslims did not send men to space when we first invented Algebra. Really! Space! In the medieval era? These arguments sounds so childish to the casual observer, and yet your hate filled eyes depend on their wishful thinking to conceive their own version of reality.

    Fine, let’s be logical. Now tell me; why not mention the most important event that lead to the Muslim decline, and that was the sacking of Baghdad, in this article? When we speak of the Dark Ages, we refer to Rome and the Vandals. But when we speak of th Muslim world today, we ignore Baghdad, and colonialism?! Turkey was the only Muslim country to never be occupied. And today they’re the most advanced.

    I’m an Algerian, mind you. Yes my country is fucked up. But no fear from Islamists; my government raped them. But that in itself is the problem. They were winning democratically, and threatened to hold the corrupt government accountable. Whether they were gonna ruin Algeria or not is up to speculation, but clearly the aggressor here is my government. At any rate, Algeria’s quite a young country. You would know about the French genocide there, which no one wants to recognize. Wikipedia’s population statistics, however, do say otherwise, at least about the initial invasion (dropped from 3 million in 1808 to 1.5 million in 1830). But briefly put, the modern Muslim world is still rather young. The events of the 20th century weren’t just dark for Europeans, you know.

    To answer your inquiry about the Qur’an’s muddy water, however; ever heard of similes? Metaphors? Medieval language? Appearances? Descriptions? Look-alikes? No?

    Why does “radical Islam” continue to exist, if they’re just a minority, you ask. Well, here’s the big shocker. Using oil money, AND Anglo-American support, the Sauds began funding schools and mosques worldwide, preaching their own fucked up version of Islam that is especially dominant in youths today and continues to be so. The Sauds only got where they were thanks to English help, and are only as powerful today thanks to American help. They had long been repressed by everyone around them. No one liked them and their ultra-orthodox antiques. The Ottomans destroyed them. The Hashemites maintained a tight grip on Mecca and Medina till the Sauds kicked them out in 1925. There’s a quote I read somewhere about the Saud King praising his “blue eyed slaves”.

    Here it is. Enjoy:

    “I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave.”
    King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

    No one even likes them but the ultra-orthodox Wahhabists themselves. You find Wahhabists and Salafists all over the world, all thanks to them. Such revivalist “Muslim neocons” have existed before, but none of them found the beautiful power of oil before the Sauds, hence why we’re in a crisis.

    America doesn’t care. First, they were useful in combating the Soviets. Then, after the fall of communism and 9/11, America had to cut down its support for them, but still endorses Saudi Arabia as it radicalizes millions of youths worldwide, not to mention physically contributes to the global Jihad effort, namely in Iraq against the Shiites and Iranians.

    You have no one to blame but yourselves. If you want to play the “who started it?” lame game, history shows Greeks and Romans (as well as Persians) occupying so-called Arab territory first. Egypt was the first in Israel. This is all historic, pre-Islamic fact. So if you’ll justify blaming Islam based on the premise that it attacked first, there you go…

    Iberia was civilized. Jews and Christians were allowed to live, as “second-class” yet better than anywhere else in he world at that time. When Garnada fell, where did the Jews go? To North Africa. Us Maghrebis absorbed them into our own. We never persecuted them. We had fanatics like the founders of the Almoravid and Almohad dynasties, but last I checked, a few leaders don’t really define a society’s history and attitude. Jews were even sheltered from Nazis by some Maghrebis, as opposed to the French who ratted them out. The main problem was Israel, of course. That, and add that the Mossad helped create fake threats for Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews to force them to immigrate. In fact, Moroccan Jews were sprayed with pesticides as soon as they entered Israel, because they were deemed unclean.

    Palestinian Jews at some point sporadically referred to Arabs as the Messiahs who liberated them from the Roman persecution, as quoted by Jewish historian Bernard Lewis in his book The Arabs In History. The Crusaders, here too, discriminated not between Jew and Muslim. That’s right, kill the damn Christ-killers.

    The Ottomans were Turks, not Arabs, and were for the most part savage. They persecuted Arabs too. Who do you think played the dominant role in their fall? The Arabs during World War I. We were promised a state in the Levant, Mesopotamia, and Arabia. Of course, we were to give up some territory west of “Damascus”. It was called the Vilayet of Syria, not Damascus. Saying Damascus meant Damascus the city, or the Sanjak, both very small territories that are far north above Palestine. Furthermore, King Faisal of the Syrian Arab Kingdom was supported by the peoples of modern day Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine. Sounds democratic to me if the people agreed to put him above them. But the French decided to take him out militarily, and with his fall, Palestine became without a ruler, and the British finally claimed their Mandate (they did not want to attack their allies, the Arabs). Then they gave Jordan to the Hashemites, who had just lost their Kingdom of Hejaz in Mecca and Medina to the Sauds. The Hashemites then betrayed us during the Israeli war of 1948 and focused on annexing as much of Palestine as possible. In fact, war started in 1947, after the majority aka Muslims refused to partition, which lead Jewish militias to engage with Arab rioters. Arab armies “invaded” the Palestinian side of the border only a year after, to save what was left. Only Syria and Egypt ever actually crossed into Israeli territory. Furthermore, by the end of the war, the number of Arab soldiers sent to assist Palestine was roughly 60% that of the Israeli soldiers in terms of numbers. If you call sending less than 70,000 men by seven countries an invasion, so be it. Bear in mind the Jews had enlisted all they could to the IDF and amassed a good 90,000+ soldiers. Palestinian soldiers and militias at best numbered in the hundreds.

    I could go on and on and on about “who started it”. I think we don’t need to play the blame game and focus instead on solving issues and fighting our real enemies, and those are governments of all kinds. But I’m sure you rather accuse me of falsifying history without ever bothering to prove my claims wrong, much less research them anyways so whatever.

    By the way, if Islamization has been so brutal, then tell me which Muslim army conquered Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country today?

    1. AEB,

      Your belief system defies gravity & reason, so why would anyone try to prove you wrong? It would be an exercise in futility.

      Just a few statements of fact:

      There never was an Islamic ‘Golden Age’, there is only a time when Muslims divde the spoils of the conquered peoples, the “booty”. After that, the Muselmanic system falls back into poverty, stupor and squalor.

      “As for Arab ethnic cleansing; there has been no such thing.”

      That’s just false. Muhammad killed the Jews and drove them out of Arabia. The whole religion of Islam is based on expropriating the wealth of unbelievers and to finally annihilate them.

      ” your senseless hate campaign all day long. ”

      We don’t hate, we care. We care for our society and civilization which is a million times better than your retarded, worthless death cult. You teach your children to hate and you accuse us of hatred, that is called ‘projection’, look it up if you don’t know the word.

      ” we first invented Algebra”

      You invented nothing. Arab Muslims invented nothing. You destroyed other cultures and civilizations, that’s all.

      ” Turkey was the only Muslim country to never be occupied. And today they’re the most advanced. ”

      Turkey is advanced because Ataturk neutered Islam. Under Erdogan Turkey is being rapidly re-Islamized.

      “I’m an Algerian, mind you. Yes my country is fucked up.”

      Your country is one of the Barbary states that raided the coasts of the Mediterranean for 800 years to take slaves and booty. Because of your piracy and slave-taking America built a navy to put you in your place. Extracting tribute and raids on others was your only source of income. That had to be stopped. Libya’s dictator is doing the same thing to this very day. What a pity that Reagan didn’t blow him out of his foxhole.

      ” French genocide”

      Just about all infrastructure, all and everything that works in your country is the legacy of a brief period of French occupation. You have done nothing to improve on it and Islam will destroy your country even more. There never was a “genocide” by the French, your lies don’t hold water.

      We know all about the Saud King praising his “blue eyed slaves”. We would like to see the Saudis gone. Sooner is better.

      Unfortunately, they are not revivalist “Muslim neocons” , they are just following the Koran and the sunna like good Muslims do.

      ” the “who started it?” lame game?”

      I suppose you are referring to the crusades, a belated effort to make the Holy Land accessible for pilgrims which were either murdered or enslaved by the Koranimals that occupied the land.

      ” Iberia was civilized. Jews and Christians were allowed to live, as “second-class” yet better than anywhere else in he world at that time”

      Really? I prefer first class, brother. Maimonides wouldn’t be the only one to disagree with you.

      “When Garnada fell, where did the Jews go? To North Africa. Us Maghrebis absorbed them into our own.”

      Hardly. You merely allowed them to live as dhimmies. Until you plundered, raped and killed them because they didn’t want “to hear the word of Allah”.

      ” By the way, if Islamization has been so brutal, then tell me which Muslim army conquered Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country today?”

      There are few reliable records about the destruction of Indonesian culture and religion. But Buddhism or Hinduism have little built in resistance to a murderous cult that seeks domination at all cost, a belief system that glorifies killing and dying for some imaginary bordello in the sky.

      The rest is hardly worth responding to. What’s your message?

  35. Well since none of you bothered to prove me wrong~

    Constantinople was in 1453. The Golden Age was OVER, Baghdad was sacked at least twice by then (probably more), and Granada was about to fall. Did I not say above that the Ottomans were brutal? Did I not already say “The Ottomans weren’t kind either. What they did was more brutal than what anything the Arabs did.” Did I not? Are you even reading? Do you even comprehend my words? Are you anything more than a broken propaganda robot of hate?

    As for Arab ethnic cleansing; there has been no such thing. DNA tests prove indigenous populations of “Arab” countries are virtually untouched. They’re just culturally Arabized and Islamized, as one can see with Blacks. If it weren’t for the different body physique and accent, who would even differentiate between them and Whites today? They’re mostly Christian and they speak a good bit of English. Have they been “ethnically cleansed”?

    You can stereotype and continue with your senseless hate campaign all day long. It really won’t prove you right, nor will it prove me wrong.

    Please quote a reliable historic source that can prove me wrong. This is a challenge. Most Islamophobes can’t stand up to it. Can you?

    I love how you changed the subject from history to the Qur’an. Your conduct merely demonstrates my aforementioned points that you really have nothing to prove here. All you do is insult me, Islam, Arabs, and everything about us, resorting to personal and off-topic attacks whenever we make an excellent point.

    Before reading this article, I had actually read one where the author exclaimed at how us Muslims did not send men to space when we first invented Algebra. Really! Space! In the medieval era? These arguments sounds so childish to the casual observer, and yet your hate filled eyes depend on their wishful thinking to conceive their own version of reality.

    Fine, let’s be logical. Now tell me; why not mention the most important event that lead to the Muslim decline, and that was the sacking of Baghdad, in this article? When we speak of the Dark Ages, we refer to Rome and the Vandals. But when we speak of th Muslim world today, we ignore Baghdad, and colonialism?! Turkey was the only Muslim country to never be occupied. And today they’re the most advanced.

    I’m an Algerian, mind you. Yes my country is fucked up. But no fear from Islamists; my government raped them. But that in itself is the problem. They were winning democratically, and threatened to hold the corrupt government accountable. Whether they were gonna ruin Algeria or not is up to speculation, but clearly the aggressor here is my government. At any rate, Algeria’s quite a young country. You would know about the French genocide there, which no one wants to recognize. Wikipedia’s population statistics, however, do say otherwise, at least about the initial invasion (dropped from 3 million in 1808 to 1.5 million in 1830). But briefly put, the modern Muslim world is still rather young. The events of the 20th century weren’t just dark for Europeans, you know.

    To answer your inquiry about the Qur’an’s muddy water, however; ever heard of similes? Metaphors? Medieval language? Appearances? Descriptions? Look-alikes? No?

    Why does “radical Islam” continue to exist, if they’re just a minority, you ask. Well, here’s the big shocker. Using oil money, AND Anglo-American support, the Sauds began funding schools and mosques worldwide, preaching their own fucked up version of Islam that is especially dominant in youths today and continues to be so. The Sauds only got where they were thanks to English help, and are only as powerful today thanks to American help. They had long been repressed by everyone around them. No one liked them and their ultra-orthodox antiques. The Ottomans destroyed them. The Hashemites maintained a tight grip on Mecca and Medina till the Sauds kicked them out in 1925. There’s a quote I read somewhere about the Saud King praising his “blue eyed slaves”.

    Here it is. Enjoy:

    “I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave.”
    King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

    No one even likes them but the ultra-orthodox Wahhabists themselves. You find Wahhabists and Salafists all over the world, all thanks to them. Such revivalist “Muslim neocons” have existed before, but none of them found the beautiful power of oil before the Sauds, hence why we’re in a crisis.

    America doesn’t care. First, they were useful in combating the Soviets. Then, after the fall of communism and 9/11, America had to cut down its support for them, but still endorses Saudi Arabia as it radicalizes millions of youths worldwide, not to mention physically contributes to the global Jihad effort, namely in Iraq against the Shiites and Iranians.

    You have no one to blame but yourselves. If you want to play the “who started it?” lame game, history shows Greeks and Romans (as well as Persians) occupying so-called Arab territory first. Egypt was the first in Israel. This is all historic, pre-Islamic fact. So if you’ll justify blaming Islam based on the premise that it attacked first, there you go…

    Iberia was civilized. Jews and Christians were allowed to live, as “second-class” yet better than anywhere else in he world at that time. When Garnada fell, where did the Jews go? To North Africa. Us Maghrebis absorbed them into our own. We never persecuted them. We had fanatics like the founders of the Almoravid and Almohad dynasties, but last I checked, a few leaders don’t really define a society’s history and attitude. Jews were even sheltered from Nazis by some Maghrebis, as opposed to the French who ratted them out. The main problem was Israel, of course. That, and add that the Mossad helped create fake threats for Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews to force them to immigrate. In fact, Moroccan Jews were sprayed with pesticides as soon as they entered Israel, because they were deemed unclean.

    Palestinian Jews at some point sporadically referred to Arabs as the Messiahs who liberated them from the Roman persecution, as quoted by Jewish historian Bernard Lewis in his book The Arabs In History. The Crusaders, here too, discriminated not between Jew and Muslim. That’s right, kill the damn Christ-killers.

  36. You use nothing but ridiculous rhetoric founded on little but your own hate. This is a disgrace to the english language, the internet, and America itself.

    Seriously? “You invented nothing. Arab Muslims invented nothing. You destroyed other cultures and civilizations, that’s all.” That’s not even an argument, it’s a random statement with absolute no backing.

  37. This blog is dumb from the start,golden age dose not mean a lot of gold, they had a lot of knowledge, and I skipped and scanned and the thing about the Quran,the verses of Allah were always present but then when they were later put together and assembled it was called the Quran.
    And give me anything, I will prove Islam is true and better, my e-mail is momo_one@live.com.
    ……………………………oh…..and you westerns are sour losers(also provable).

  38. this blog is like saying someone achieved everything but achieved nothing because he is not me

  39. You cannot prove islam is better than any other system – you might believe it is better but that is your belief and that does not constitute proof. You could reference material from the quaran or hadiths, but they rely on each other for confirmation and this constitutes a circular system which cannot prove anything – but I suspect that you are not sufficiently intelligent to understand this,. Muslims have contributed very little to any field of human endeavour, and your blind and moronic beliefs in the quran is the principal reason. Incidentally you should learn English before attempting to communicate in it, and as for “sore loosers” . well I am sorry to say that history shows that you muslims have consistently been the whiners and whingers, often resorting to violence, when you cannot offer a counter-argument to an argument that shows islam is an exercise in self-contradiction and hardly the work of any divine being. Your last statement shows that you have understood very little of what is in this blog and why this blog was created – again no surprise given the “less that stellar” quality of the arguments you have provided to try and prove your case.

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