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Al-Azhar University Professor Sabri Abd Al-Raouf: It Is Okay for Bridegroom’s Mother to Smell Bride’s Armpits before Wedding


Following are excerpts from an interview with Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf of Al-Azhar University, which aired on Dream 2 TV on May 1, 2009.

Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: The mother [of the bridegroom] and other female relatives may look at the bride’s hair and neck, and may smell her private parts.

Interviewer: Smell what?!

Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: Her armpits, for example. Some women and girls sweat, and there are men who are nauseated by this.

Interviewer: So the mother may check to make sure…

Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: The mother may go near the bride, in order to check whether she smells good or bad. There is nothing to prevent this. But the groom is forbidden to look at any part of her except her face and hands.

Interviewer: But there is a fatwa that permits him to see whatever his female relatives may see.

Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: He is not allowed to see what the female relatives see.


The khimar is the piece of cloth that women use to cover their heads and the protruding part of their breasts. This is what Islamic law requires.

Interviewer: So what this woman is wearing is not a hijab?

Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: Pardon me?

Interviewer: What she and many other girls wear is not a proper hijab?

Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: I am only looking at you. I’m not looking in her direction.

Interviewer: So you avert your gaze. But what will you do when you watch a re-run of this show?

Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: I don’t know…

Interviewer: You are trying to tell me that when you watch TV, and there are women wearing this kind of veil, you avert your gaze?

Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: I concentrate on my listening, not on my looking. I listen to hear whether what they say is proper or not.

From the RoP:

Iranian clerics object to women as cabinet ministers: “there are religious doubts over the abilities of women when it comes to management”

Quoth Ali, the rightful successor to Muhammad according to the Shi’ites:

“O’ ye peoples! Women are deficient in Faith, deficient in shares and deficient in intelligence. As regards the deficiency in their Faith, it is their abstention from prayers and fasting during their menstrual period. As regards deficiency in their intelligence it is because the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man. As for the deficiency of their shares that is because of their share in inheritance being half of men. So beware of the evils of women. Be on your guard even from those of them who are (reportedly) good. Do not obey them even in good things so that they may not attract you to evils.” - The Peak of Eloquence, sermon 80.

On the Sunni side of the street (sorry), this quotation is in accord with Bukhari 1.6.301:

The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”

“Iran Islamists object to women ministers,” from Agence France-Presse, August 24:

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  1. Yet again the blog-owner and his agenda-based sources presume that only the radicals are Muslims and the rest either do not exist or are heretics.

    Even when the two most well-known “hard-line” Islamic states (Iran and Saudi Arabia) modify their hard-stance – such as both now having female government ministers – the blog-owners play it as contrary to Islam – as if they know better.

    “Stupid is as stupid does” I think would be the correct reference to such blogging.

  2. Why Solkhar?? I agree it represents the worst of islam, but it is becoming representative of islam – what has been listed are the actions of the radicals because they are the concern. When the moderate majority, if it exists, takes a stand against the radical islamists, this will be noted and praised as well. And why the inference to heretics, which makes little sense in this argument ???

  3. kaw,

    there is no doubt that there is a serious problem in the Muslim world at present, in fact it has been running for 31 years now since the Iranian Revolution. That the moderates stand by and do nothing is a part of that problem and that is a complicated subject, part of it the tradition of not questioning the theologists. The fact that in countries with almost no rural government run eduction programs thus the masses of populations in countries such as Pakistan and Afghanistan are dominated by the clerical run madrassas and you have now governments afraid of popular uprisings run by these theologins. Also there are factors like the administrations of many of these governments more interested in staying in power and avoiding debate that may put them to task…. many reasons.

    The point that I make and references above are more than valid. There is the problem of radical Islam, no doubt, we have discussed the subject of right/left playing their games (you acknowledged that) so the point is that this blog is an example of a far-right agenda based attempt at distorting facts for his own political agenda, that of inspiring antiIslam hatred.

    This is clearly done in this blog by continuing snipes, supressing some information and highliting others for a goal. Thus, when you see some change (for the good) in a country, small steps can lead to larger ones, such as women joining government ministries in both the most well known hard-line countries (Iran and Saudi) what do you get – the pissy BS remark trying to point to a religous document that the blog-owner has no understanding for as saying that making these appointments are a mistake, or heresy or the like.

    Trying to be as fare and broad minded as possible and still it comes up with the fact that this blog-owner is a seller of hate who obviously enjoyes saying the negative no matter what. The blog certainly does not follow logic.

  4. * The blog certainly does not follow logic.

    May or may not follow (your) logic, but certainly doesn’t follow islam’s
    agenda-driven false prophet.

  5. Oh yes, then there are the other radicals, those that prostheletize thier own religion whilst bashing others, which I find morally repugnant and rather self-defeating. If one has to go out selling their faith it is a sure sign that they have no confidence and are uncomfortable or embarassed by their own faith.

  6. … The mother [of the bridegroom] and other female relatives may look at the bride’s hair and neck, and may smell her private parts…

    Uh, Say What? You fucking dogs , you. How base. Some women sweat…moron! All women sweat, except those from the American South. They perspire. This is monkey-ass jungle behavior and nothing less.

    The parents of the bride are to blame also, for allowing her to be subjected to that kind of “inspection”. What’s next a gynecological exam? Oh thats right, they do that to see about virginity.

    To be fair, the groom should be stripped down to his naked personnage, and the brides family should whip out a ruler, if you know what I mean.

    I would make the father-in-law smell the GROOM’S ASS to see if he is najis! Ha-ha-ha, ha-ha-ha, you backward ass idiots. Learn Math. It helps you accept logic.

  7. You give your false prophet a free pass, Solkhar.

    Do your comments apply to mohammed? Do you think he was
    lacking in confidence, uncomfortable, or embarrassed? He doesn’t come across that way in his counterfeit of the Word of God:

    A bit of “bashing” for you, courtesy of Mo …
    “Had the People of the Book accepted Islam, it would have surely
    been better for them. Few of them are true believers, and most of
    them are evil-doers” (Sura 3:111)

    Another bit of “bashing” (terror, in fact, from the master of terror,
    allah) … “Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back
    to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition … We will put
    terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. They serve other gods for
    whom no sanction has been revealed. Hell shall be their home…”

    And so on, gulling and dudding as many as he can.

    Might be a good idea to familiarise yourself with your false prophet
    before throwing stones, Solkhar – looks like he fits your profile in

  8. I agree with Solkhar in that we need to support those parts of the muslim community who are actually trying to progress out of AD 600. I suspect that we cannot expect quick and significant changes and this problem is going to req

  9. Apologies for double post – keyboard incompetence responsible.

    I agree with Solkhar in that we need to support those parts of the muslim community who are actually trying to progress out of AD 600. I suspect that we cannot expect quick and significant changes and this problem is going to require several generations to be properly resolved. The questions I ask are how to accelerate the process and how to minimize potential damage? However, at some point muslims themselves need to take responsibility for this change. At present I see that muslims should be able to make some progress in this direction – so what is the impediment? Let us assume that interpretation of religious doctrine is part of the core problem? What percentage of the muslim world actually understand that change is needed? There are parallels with Christianity before the reformation. I would also propose that there appears to be a development period over which a monotheistic faith develops into something strong enough to acknowledge other belief systems – Christianity has done this and it took some
    1800 years – which leaves another 300 years for islam if the hypothesis is correct and the time scale is obtained on a one to one map.

  10. ” Prof. Sabri Abd Al-Rauf: The mother [of the bridegroom] and other female relatives may look at the bride’s hair and neck, and may smell her private parts. ”

    To Othello , the moor in Shakespeare …………………
    “Oh , dolt – as ignorant as dirt ! “

  11. Kaw
    Fear is the impediment. Many muslims especially in countries like Iran are pretend Muslims. They believe in their old pre islamic religion privately but are outwardly muslims in order to make living a bit easier. In many other countries , people are muslim out of economic necessity. If they are not muslim, they won’t get employed , they won’t get govt contracts , they won’t get promoted in any job they do have…..etc…
    You are very patient with Solkar.

  12. kaw,

    You made three very interesting remarks here that I would like to expand on, and it is good to see some actual constructive conversation here.

    You aksed “The questions I ask are how to accelerate the process and how to minimize potential damage?”

    The real battle over the centuries has always been the swinging pendulum of ultra-conservatism/orthodoxy versus the other side of liberalims/reformism which has gone on cycles. The former wishes to stop the clock of progress and mixes the “old ways” even if they are not exactly pure Islam but in fact tribal/cultural habits. The latter wishes to allow Islam to grow with the progress of humanity and time and rethink constantly meanings and ideals.

    All this slowed down in two events, the first one was the event of colonization by the west, which forced foreign religion, culture and habits onto the regular ebb & flow of this pendulum. That was inevitable I think but either way it put a spanner in the works. The second happend 31years ago with the Iranian Islamic Revolution, because it allowed for the first time radical clerics to join forces with militant extremism resulting in a marriage that has changed the way radicalism works. The moderates/liberals were able to adapt to colonialism and beyond, becoming the middle-class, the ultra conservatives/orthodox were never able to. The only other point is that the radicals controlled most of the Mosques and thus the education of the poor masses in many of these countries, thus after this revolution, they had almost all the playing cards.

    The solution is to allow the natural balance to return, something that requires a great deal of effort and as you put it, generations. So far the best method has in fact been – a good relationship with the west. You will notice that the biggest changes come from the youth and economics via this good relationship. Radicals rely on the “boogy man” in the case of Islam it is that the West is out to destroy Islam and is conducting a hidden Crusade. To the western far-right like this blog-owner it is pulling the other leg by saying that Islam is evil and that there is a secret Jihad obligation for all Muslims against the West. Both of course BS propoganda.

    A few months ago you had two events that made a great difference, Obama (I take no side in politics but facts are facts) chose to address the Muslim world and sent a message to the People of Iran. His statement that respect between Islam and the West is a two-way street and has to be mutual made a big difference and opened a great deal of doors, the second had an impact later on when the Iranian Presidential Elections occured. The speech was not the cause but was a factor that resulted in a clear message that change is needed. I repeat again, good relations with the West is the best tool against radical Islamists.

    ” However, at some point muslims themselves need to take responsibility for this change. At present I see that muslims should be able to make some progress in this direction – so what is the impediment?”

    You are absolutely correct, though the issue is now a global one, in the end it is the Muslim world itself that must shirk off the reigns of radicalism. If the level of relationship and mutual respect between the Muslim world and the West improves it opens the door for Muslims themselves to do something about it. It is a big order, mostly because Muslim nations and in particular Arab nations cannot even be united in political and economic goals let alone talk about religion but it has to happen. There is a saying in French which translates as the “Storm has to be the most ferocious for the farmer to get out of his bed” and that summs it up. Before things get better, there will be I think more severe cases of terrorism, death and destruction. Perhaps it is going to be a coup/out right war in Pakistan or the like, or Iran invading Afghanistan’s western provinces (as they are suffering also the Taliban and a drug war) but perhaps it needs such a catastrophe to get the politicians to do something.

    “Let us assume that interpretation of religious doctrine is part of the core problem? ”

    Actually I would say no. There will be a significant difference between say Shi’ism and Sunnism but within these groups there is basically not such a problem, what you hear so often is the radical clerics and you will notice that they are themselves not united. Radicalism by its very nature – in all its forms – is a very selfish concept and thus they can never agree with each other and the same goes with these clerics. Al Qaeda is a political movement, Wahhabism is actually small as is Salafism, the rest are in fact political movements with singular philosophies of an individual cleric. If in the end you have a conference between say the main Schools of Islam, with the radical element in a minority, out will come the liberal clerics and the governments will back them. They did so in the 1920’s and many other times when the pendulum swings to the liberal/reformist side.

    Last note on this long item, “theresaj” is wrong about Iranians, the vast majority are very conservative and that is the very reason why the current President remains in power and won his election. The middle-class are different and very sadly minorities have all but been wiped from the seen by the radical Revolutionary Guard movement. Still, Islam has been dominant, Shi’ism especially and in some aspects, Iranians have been more devout and conservative then say the Iraqis and Turks to the west of them.

    During my time as a senior diplomat in Anakara -Turkey, I was accredited to the Islamic Republic of Iran and visited the palce almost once a month for two years, as a western Muslim, it opened many doors and I have learnt a great deal about that place.

  13. HI Theresaj,

    I guess you are right – fear is a major factor. It seems difficult to change from outside. As for being patient – well I don’t want another war – been in one – wasn’t much fun from the very little I saw (that doesn’t mean I wont fight if I have to) – but I think that people like Solkar, who are starting to ask questions, are to be encouraged. We may not always agree with the answers (or sometimes the questions) but at least the questioning of the islamic monolith is starting, the deconstruction and evolution into something else will follow, but I think all we can ask at present is that muslims start questioning what they have been told to believe. That is a start – and if this blog has helped then it is a very significant achievement indeed.

    I should perhaps explain an apparent inconsistency – I treat people who are willing to listen as equals and I respond appropriately. However, I am very unkind to the muslims who hop on this blog bleating the usual platitudes and stupidities – actually I am exceeding crude to these people if I am moved to respond and I make no apology – they deserve no better treatment.

  14. It is interesting that Solkar admits “westernised Moslems” – that is Moslems that have become influenced by the civilising force of Christianity – to be superior to the “hard line” – that is Koran following – Moslems. Well done.

  15. Bat doo-doo, you can believe what you like that is your right, but I know as I am sure most readers will understand that the reference to westernised Muslims is referring to simply having an education, contact with economy and a chance to avoid being dominated by radicals. Christianity having, of course, nothing to do with it.

  16. Solkhar,

    Western democracy, freedoms, education, health care etc etc are all due to Judeo-Christian foundations.

    Open your eyes to the truth.

  17. John, open your eyes to the truth, there is little if no difference in Judeo-Christian-Islamic foundations.

    But since you want the thruth (but may be unable to handle it), democracy is a concept defined by the Greeks and then revisited, documented and codexed by Andalusi and Persian Muslim philophers.

    Freedom is a concept that mankind had from the beginning of time since the first “bigger guy” controlled the other members of his clan/tribe/village.

    Health Care existed in many places in history but if you wish to be more accurate, Al Andalus during its 800 years had health care, sanitation and a system of social security when the rest of Europe were sleeping in the same barn as the pigs and chickens. As for the concept of modern-day hospitals, that is an invention under the Muslims.

    Yes, the truth …… at last.

    I am sure John meant to be intelligent and sending a message but failed miserably. He probably assumes that all Muslims are Arabs and follow Arab culture and then when he thinks of Arab he thinks of the Sudan.

  18. Solkhar is STILL trying his Taqqiya there is no similarity at all between Judeo- Christianity and Islam except that its INVENTOR Mohammad plaigurised both religions books, and invariably got it wrong, in an vain attempt to give the CULT legitimacy. Interestingly when his MISTAKES were pointed out to him the narcissistic megalomaniacs reaction was to say the ORIGINAL books had been corrupted how pathetic. The problem is ISLAM itself and as it has painted itself in to a corner by saying the Krap Kran is the ‘actual UNALTERABLE word of God’ so there is no where for it to turn and no way for it to be reformed. I mean how could a mere mortal change the word of God no matter how stupid that word is?

  19. Solkhar,

    LOL. If as you say “there is little if no difference in Judeo-Christian-Islamic foundations ” then why do islamists want Jews and Christians dead?

    Where in the koran is grace to be found?

    I am not ‘trying to be intelligent’, I understand fully that islam corrupts all who follow it, not just Arabs. Sudanese muslims, Arab muslims, Indonesian muslims, African muslims etc all blindly follow what they believe to be in the koran without the ability or permission to question it. This is the biggest difference between Christians and muslims, we are allowed to question and study the Bible without the need to have other supporting documentation like a hadith or sunna.

    Face it, the west is where it is because of Judeo-Christian foundations, the muslim world is where it is because of islam. Ask yourself, why do so many of your ‘brothers’ want to live in the west?

  20. John,

    “then why do islamists want Jews and Christians dead?”

    So you are talking about Islamists, the militant radicals whom use relition for their violent political agenda which is keeping the population backwards under their own control and cultural norms.

    Or was it a typ and you wanted to say why does Islam want Jews and Chrsitians dead – which in anycase is totally incorrect.

    I agree with you that the west is were it is because of its Judeo-Christian-Islamic foundation.

    It should be pointed out that not all Muslims put as much value in the haddiths and sunna as you imagine and suggest a little bit more study to understand that. Also, which haddith and which version of sunna are you talkiing about, thus again pointing out that this topic is spouted by radicals both in Islam and right-wingers in the west sometimes more than in the actual Muslim world.

    Muslims want to live in the west for econom reasons and being a westerner living in the Muslim world with one of the highest immigrant population, I get every summer (as at the moment) the stories about how families moved for their children’s education and how they wish they were home.

  21. Psychologist say that when one capitalises words way to often that it is a sign of insecurity and lack of confidence in what they are saying. I think they hit the nail on the head on that one.

  22. A psychologist says something about word capitalising, and hits the
    nail on the head, but numerous muslims declare jihad on (a, b and c)
    for (x, y and z) and their jihad is dismissed because the “five schools of
    islam” haven’t sanctioned the jihad (or something like that).

    1. Mullah,

      solkhar (or any other Islamic detractor) is just trying to mislead and to confuse. Its not about whether the 5 schools of Islam have sanctioned the jihad, they don’t need to. The answer is simply they have never revoked or denounced the global jihad because they can’t: the original command comes from Allah aka Muhammad himself: “I have been ordered to wage war on all mankind until until all the people say there is no god but allah and Muhammad is his profit”

      This is the essence of Mohammedanism, the foundation for the supremacist notion that Muslims must wage war against unbelievers until those unbelievers are either converted to Islam or subjugated under the rule of Islamic law, as 9:29 states explicitly.

      The troll gets really stinky because he can’t answer the questions.

  23. Arab-American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan:

    “When I examined the Koran, the hadith, and the Islamic books under a microscope, I came to the absolute conviction that it is impossible – impossible! – for any human being to read the biography of Muhammad and believe in it, and yet emerge a psychologically and mentally healthy person.”

    I wonder if she hit the nail on the head – the number of muslims with
    a “history of mental illness” does seem a bit on the high side, esp
    given false prophet Mo’s views on women & their mental deficiencies.

  24. Wafa Sultan is a former Shi’te from Syria whom witnessed a terrorist event and has suffered ever since with it turning into a collective hatred. Selling her identity, culture and changing her identity for monetary profit and celebrity status is rather sad but ufnortunately not that uncommon, with a few enjoying the monetory fruits of hatred and selling to a large right-wing audience.

    She made the following remark which has ensured her failure to be a potential supporter for peace and instead her siding with radicalism itself.

    “I have decided to fight Islam; please pay attention to my statement; to fight Islam, not the political Islam, not the militant Islam, not the radical Islam, not the Wahhabi Islam, but Islam itself…Islam has never been misunderstood, Islam is the problem….(Muslims) have to realize that they have only two choices: to change or to be crushed.”

    The above is clinical bigotry and her degree in psychology is proof of a capacity to attempt to spin professional hatred, like a certain “now captured” Serbian war criminal did.

  25. I wonder who carried out the “terrorist event” that Solkhar says that
    Wafa Sultan witnessed? Baptists? “Right-wing” blog owners? Andrew
    Bolt? Buddhists? Robert Spencer? the BNP? Zionists? Mossad? CIA?
    ASIO? Juice?

  26. If your after twisting, just read the propoganda the blog-owner produces.

    But getting back to the West, it all comes back from the Abrahamic tradition of values which Islam is included, that is the point I wish to make and there is no sneeking and twisting out of it. You started by saying that there is no value or inclusion into western values and quality of life and I showed you how, for example, the modern concept of a hospital is Islamic, it was Islamic philosophers that codified the Greek philosophers that allowed for example the modern concept of democracy to be further studied and there is a lot more.

    The big issue is that right-wing propoganda and the acts of backwardness by radical conservative political Muslims, the views about Islam is skewered to the point that reality is being hijacked.

    This blog is a perfect example of the agenda and the pathetic lengths that they will go to pervert reality.

    1. You showed nothing Solkhar. You post a lot of gibberish here and you make a lot of false claims. Nobody here believes anything you post anyway, and if you post it again it doesn’t come true.

  27. “But getting back to the West, it all comes back from the Abrahamic tradition of values which Islam is included …”

    Different values, different god, and different outcomes, Solkhar.
    Do not blaspheme, like your god.

    Here is just one of his many blasphemous names or claimed attributes:

    # Ar-Rasheed
    * The Guide to the Right Path, The One who guides.

    Instead of guiding, he traffics in human souls, “guiding” them on the
    highway to hell, forever.

  28. Islam is the perversion of reality, Solkhar, but it is “for a limited time
    only”, like a Hungry Jacks meal deal. Enjoy it while it lasts; it will be
    destroyed by the triune God it blasphemes against and denies.

  29. Solkar
    It does not surprise me that you are an ex Catholic. Ex Catholics have been over represented in cults for decades. There is something about the early Catholic training which prediposes Catholics towards cults. I hope that one day you are free.

  30. Don’t believe the troll, theresaj.

    Solkhar can’t even spell. He can’t even answer questions. He was never a diplomat. (Which country would employ such an infantile creature to represent itself?)

  31. Solkhar

    Wafa Sultan has spoken the truth. I disagree that this is professional spin doctoring.

    “I have decided to fight Islam; please pay attention to my statement; to fight Islam, not the political Islam, not the militant Islam, not the radical Islam, not the Wahhabi Islam, but Islam itself…Islam has never been misunderstood, Islam is the problem….(Muslims) have to realize that they have only two choices: to change or to be crushed.”

    From where I stand, I see that her statement contains a great deal of truth. It is up to you and people like you to change your religion so that her critic is no longer valid. Attacking others will not help – the challenge for your religion comes from within.

  32. Solkhar, Thanks for your comment on the points I raised earlier. I have some additional comments but I will pose them later as I have to be elsewhere 5 minutes ago.

  33. I asked the TROLL a question after he idiotically claimed Islam invented Hospitals and Democracy so let him list for all all the Islamic cesspit Democracies that exist. I know the answer its easy NONE.

  34. The blog-owner yet again squirms to avoid rational thinking, claiming that the major institutions of Islam have no impact on the life of Muslims but a reference to 7th century conflict in the southern Saudi pensinsula does. I think his attempt at an answer is piss-poor and he has to come clean, he likes to assume he is in control of the blog but confuses it by assuming that he is also in control of the truth, and purposefully fails at that almost on each and every ocassion.

    The reality is very simply, the concept of Islam being in an on-going violent jihad is only those of radicals in Islam and radicals outside it and not a part of life, the aspirations nor the belief of almost all Muslims. The institutions of Islam, such as the Five Schools have a major impact on the life of the vast majority of Muslims and the simplist declarations by the heads of these institutions impact the lives of all of them. If the head of Al-Azhar or Al-Quaraouine or Qom declared that there was a Jihad against the West – the world would be at war, but they cannot because there is none and though the blog-owner wishes us to believe otherwise and that he is more knowledgable and more important then them – there has been no jihad since the 11th century. The creation of Israel did not create one even though there were rallies and demonstrations outside of Al-Azhar demanding the sanction, OBL has demanded it and in the end delcared his own (as if he has the right), but still it was not declared because the basis for a Jihad is defencive and not aggressive. It clearly says in the Qur’an in 2:90 “Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. ”

    The blog-owner never mentions that one, rather avoids it like the plague. I think we know who is here for an agenda and twisting factors.

    I make no excuse for my poor English, it was neither my first or second language and I am a self-confessed Francophile and avoided as much as possible dealing in English even in my work – which was difficult during two years in a very English speaking oriented Sweden. In most cases I use a translator program but give in to trying to do it myself which fails.

  35. theresaj,

    I think the catholicism in my family was a mute point, I was 17 when I converted. The reality of my conversion is nothing to hide, it comes from the behavior and family values of those Muslims that I grew up with, my not accepting the originality of the Bible (and Torah) being translations of translations, edits and “versions” which for me takes it out of the domain of divine respect but now only a guidebood with ideals in it. The Qur’an is still in its verbatum original form and I have seen with my own eyes one of the original copies made 17yrs after the death of Mohammed (it sits in the Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul). Another factor was the definition of what is a Prophet and I already objected to what I believe is the incorrect notion of Son of God.

    Remember theresj your antiIslamic views is because you decided that one experience that you had amongst a particular group of Muslims represents the sum total of Islam and that is myopic and frankly speaking self-defeating in your arguments. It is that very myopic factor that yourself and others compain about Muslims especially when they bag the west. It was because of the actions and abuses that some communities of Muslims received have made them so anti-Western. I condemn them and your attitude both and place them in the same “small minded” catagory.

    1. LOL!

      All that and more from a misunderstander of Islam who is not a scholar, not an imam or a mufti, but a soldier of Allah with a computer, who in other words conducts his lonely jihad by the pen. Only to blow smoke towards increasingly aggravated kuffars who resist Islamic totalitarianism.

      Are you an apostate, solkhar?

      Together, the Quran and the Sunnah establish the dictates of Sharia, which is the blueprint for the good Islamic society. Because Sharia originates with the Quran and the Sunnah, it is not optional. Sharia is the legal code ordained by Allah for all mankind. To violate Sharia or not to accept its authority is to commit rebellion against Allah, which Allah’s faithful are required to combat.

      So you are telling us you can pick and chose?

      FYI solkhar: the Koran was not compiled or completed until 200 years after Muhammad kicked the bucket.

      One of the common elements to all Islamic schools of thought is jihad, understood as the obligation of the Ummah to conquer and subdue the world in the name of Allah and rule it under Sharia law. The four Sunni Madhhabs (schools of fiqh [Islamic religious jurisprudence]) — Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali — all agree that there is a collective obligation on Muslims to make war on the rest of the world. Furthermore, even the schools of thought outside Sunni orthodoxy, including Sufism and the Jafari (Shia) school, agree on the necessity of jihad. When it comes to matters of jihad, the different schools disagree on such questions as whether infidels must first be asked to convert to Islam before hostilities may begin (Osama bin Laden asked America to convert before Al-Qaeda’s attacks); how plunder should be distributed among victorious jihadists; whether a long-term Fabian strategy against dar al-harb is preferable to an all-out frontal attack; etc.

      The Quran’s commandments to Muslims to wage war in the name of Allah against non-Muslims are unmistakable. They are, furthermore, absolutely authoritative as they were revealed late in the Prophet’s career and so cancel and replace earlier instructions to act peaceably.

      Muhammad Taqi Partovi Samzevari, in his “Future of the Islamic Movement” (1986), sums up the Islamic worldview.

      Our own Prophet … was a general, a statesman, an administrator, an economist, a jurist and a first-class manager all in one. … In the Qur’an’s historic vision Allah’s support and the revolutionary struggle of the people must come together, so that Satanic rulers are brought down and put to death. A people that is not prepared to kill and to die in order to create a just society cannot expect any support from Allah. The Almighty has promised us that the day will come when the whole of mankind will live united under the banner of Islam, when the sign of the Crescent, the symbol of Muhammad, will be supreme everywhere. … But that day must be hastened through our Jihad, through our readiness to offer our lives and to shed the unclean blood of those who do not see the light brought from the Heavens by Muhammad in his mi’raj {“nocturnal voyages to the ‘court’ of Allah”}. … It is Allah who puts the gun in our hand. But we cannot expect Him to pull the trigger as well simply because we are faint-hearted.
      It must be emphasized that all of the analysis provided here derives from the Islamic sources themselves and is not the product of critical Western scholarship. (Indeed, most modern Western scholarship of Islam is hardly “critical” in any meaningful sense.) It is Islam’s self-interpretation that necessitates and glorifies violence, not any foreign interpretation of it.

      Islam 101

  36. I converted in the presence of the Holy Spirit and the Lord Jesus Christ, my saviour. No-one else was in the house at the time.
    (9 September 1984 Anno Domini)

  37. Solkar
    My views stem from six years of experiences not from one one experience. I told you my identity , my personality , my very self was stolen. It has nothing to do with the size of my mind; it has everything to do with theft…but then islam is theft.

  38. So theresaj, you lived in just one part of the Muslim world or in all of it. Can I ask which country or region did you experience? Because that makes a difference between the value of your opinion/understanding.

  39. I repeat the above, you have quoted and claimed a Qur’an that does not exist nor is supported by any Muslim, and have imagined that from middle of the 7th century to 9th century there was none, which is just rubbish.

    You then repeated the equally absurd claim that the Five Schools of Islam advocate, support and claim a Jihad – when they have not.

    That is just shameful BS and you know it and it is a laugh.

    Prove yourself, because you cannot.

  40. Koran: Earliest complete manuscript 200 AH or 800AD!
    Muslims are fond of the myth that there are complete copies of the Koran dating from the year Muhammad died. The scientific facts say otherwise!

    There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums. We challenge you to prove us wrong! Send us the name, locate and date of the Koran written earlier!

    Quran myth’s

  41. * You then repeated the equally absurd claim that the Five Schools of Islam advocate, support and claim a Jihad – when they have not.

    I do not recall the Sheik making any claims about what the “Five Schools of Islam” might or might not have done. Could you please repost
    that bit – not that it has a lot of bearing on “allah”, the false prophet, or
    the islamic propensity for jihad in all its forms.

    1. Answer the questions, coward!

      All Muslim Arab govts espouse feverish anti-western and Jew hatred as well as terrorism in one way or another as official state policy. You have been unable to list even 1 moderate Muslim leader or public figure who espouses messages of peace and tolerance for non Muslims without Islamic duplicity, yet you would insist that most Muslims (?) are not represented by their govt. Who would believe you? You need to prove that there are Muslims who are willing to discard the Koran and the sunnah.

      I can’t seem to find any evidence that they do.

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