“it is politics… I see them as political entitities using religioun as a cover, just like many non-Muslim radical political entities use culture as one.”

Not, solker slick. They do everything in the name of their religion and this religion is by nature radical political.

” They along with the old-guard and new generation radicals in Israel must also go, for there to be peacce”

In that case you have to wipe them all out, because neither Fatah or Hamas wants to live with the state of Israel.

Your whole posting is just a lot of senseless gibberish.

The Islamic claim to the Temple is very recent, since 1930

The Muslim Claim to Jerusalem :: Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem appears in the Jewish Bible 669 times and Zion (which usually means Jerusalem, sometimes the Land of Israel) 154 times, or 823 times in all. The Christian Bible mentions Jerusalem 154 times and Zion 7 times. In contrast, the columnist Moshe Kohn notes, Jerusalem and Zion appear as frequently in the Qur’an “as they do in the Hindu Bhagavad-Gita, the Taoist Tao-Te Ching, the Buddhist Dhamapada and the Zoroastrian Zend Avesta”—which is to say, not once.

The Islamic claim to the Temple Mount is very recent

The Moslem Claim to Jerusalem is False

There were no mosques in Jerusalem in 632CE when the Prophet Mohammed died… Jerusalem was [then] a Christian city

Hamas is such a political entity as was Fatah. Arafat was an old-guard political figure. They along with the old-guard and new generation radicals in Israel must also go, for there to be peacce

For my part this meddling as you put it that prevents Israel from acting in ap roper defencive manner is too simplistic a term, the meddling from within and outside is just as bad and your comment about kicking genocidal maniacs to death is part of that problem.

There’s a contradiction, kindly make up your mind, or maybe you have with the massacre comment. Israel cannot afford such an outcome, that’s why I say, “this meddling is also preventing Israel from acting in a proper self defensive manner” and should kick the genocidal maniacs to death…

Having said that, the view I give is probably supported by the vast majority of people here in the Maghreb region (North West Africa) and half of Egyptians, most Jordanians, literate Malays and Indonesians and probably a third of Syrians and Kuwaitis. Those Muslims from the former Soviet Union probably wonder what all the fuss is about. The last time I was in Saudi most would in private agree but turn around and hypocritically say otherwise in public. Iranians probably the same but maybe out of fear of the Revolutionary Guard and Afghanis and Pakistanis are now hijacked by extremists and would simply start a brawl.

That is the honest answer.

I will say one thing about what you said, yes the Israelis have a legitimate right to self defence and as long as the Palistinian factions attack them they will justifiably smack back and smack hard. But having said that, the right-wing and ultra-orthodox element in that coutnry are hijacking the politics and now to a degree the military (that was fearcily secular until recently) and that is just as much a provocation.

Both sides need to simply force all the past-players that have serious chips on their shoulders. Both have to have secular leadership with the old-guard forced into retirement and gagged. I do not see it happening, yet. Unfortunately, it might require a couple of massacres on both sides to get their act together and perhaps it simply needs to have both countries being forced by the international community to ceed control for a decade.

LOL, that was an imposter, I was travelling the Algerian/Moroccan frontier for work when that was posted. Someone is clever and more than likely the fundamentalist above – the one who keeps on quoting scriptures to justify his bigotry and prostheletizing.

*** “The battle with the Jews will surely come…” ***

So much for any “peace treaty” and “two-state solution” with a Jewish
state and a Palestinian state “living side by side”, despite the lies of the
followers of the false prophet & those who fawn all over islam and seek
to appease it.

Quoting from holy books only proves that you are comparing which invisible friend is stronger than the other.

Humanity is torn by religion, Look in India, it has made brothers, neighbors hate each other that are willing to kill each other, even their children for some matter.

Its a plague & only humanity & the concepts of humanity will save it, Sadly, religion will not.

Realize something, anything that was based on a holy book does not stand in any agreements. Nothing prevailed before & nothing did today.

It does not matter of the islamist won or they lost, half the population would die trying anyway, & whos fault can it be? It looks like religions objective is to annihilate humanity.