Australia: Female Genital Mutilation is "Culturally Sensitive"

MILES KEMP/Adelaide Now

20070323GermanMulticultiCannibalOh, it’s a custom from the old country?! Why didn’t you say so!

Is FGM culturally sensitive?  Of course it is; who are we to judge! We live in an advanced multicultural environment where all cultures are equal and must be equally respected, and after all, for these women FGM is just a rite of passage. We should encourage them to stick to their tribal cults and cultures and besides, although its “the sunnah of the prophet” it has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. (Can’t blame the religion of 1.5 gazillion peaceful, law-abiding Muslims for the acts of a few extremists, Islam is  not a monolith, can’t tar them all with……blah blah….)

A REPORT which advocated “cultural sensitivity” when dealing with refugees who subject their daughters to genital mutilation has drawn angry criticism.

UniSA child protection expert Professor Freda Briggs has criticised the views of departmental officials in the report, saying the practice is illegal torture and the perpetrators should be charged immediately by police, without any sensitivity.

The report, carried out by other UniSA child protection experts and commissioned by the Department of Families and Communities, found a number of child abuse workers identified “excessive physical discipline” and “female genital mutilation” which required “sensitive responses from Families SA when dealing with these issues”.

IS FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION “CULTURALLY SENSITIVE”?  Might be an idea for the next WoJ poll….


More on FGM:

“While some staff see that (mutilation) as very wrong, we need to be very sensitive how we deal with that issue,” the report states.

But Professor Briggs said this attitude was unacceptable. “This is an offence against Australian law and they should throw the book at them – there is no shade of grey in this,” she said.

Female genital mutilation to remove in part or entirely external genitalia is practised in African, South American, Asian and Middle Eastern countries, but is banned in Australian law.

Professor Briggs said a tolerance of the practice had even led to mainstream doctors carrying out the practice for fear that it would otherwise be done by family members.

“When it comes to children there is just no excuse and refugees must be told it is just not on, even if it means the children are sent home to have the procedure carried out,” she said.

A spokesman for Families and Communities Minister Jennifer Rankine said the views were those of individuals, not necessarily the department.

Learned and widely respected scholar Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi: Whoever finds it serving the interest of his daughters should do it, and I personally support this under the current circumstances in the modern world.

28 thoughts on “Australia: Female Genital Mutilation is "Culturally Sensitive"”

  1. Cultural and tribal habit, condemned by the Five Schools of Islamic Thought and Jurispudence. Still radicals claim it, but then they are radicals.

  2. Solkhar the spinmeister “Still radicals claim it, but then they are radicals.”

    How about de-spinning it back to “Still muslims claim it, but then they are muslims.”

  3. In Africa the history of or reasons for ritual genital surgeries in females have long been lost. The fact remains that African followers of the major world religions practice these customs. Male circumcision is an absolute requirement of Islam and Judaism, whereas female circumcision is not even mentioned in any religious text. However, scholars of African cultures would testify that on our continent traditional and tribal rituals commonly supersede religion.

    Nahid Toubia, M.D.
    Research Action and Information Network for the Bodily Integrity of Women
    New York, NY 10276

  4. All the proof in the world is in the annals of this blog, including the records of detractors and spin-doctors like yourself, solker.

    I’m not going to waste more time with you.

  5. “the most moderate opinion and the most likely one to be correct is in favor of practicing circumcision in the moderate Islamic way indicated in some of the Prophet’s hadiths – even though such hadiths are not confirmed to be authentic. It is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said to a midwife: “Reduce the size of the clitoris but do not exceed the limit, for that is better for her health and is preferred by husbands”. The hadith indicates that circumcision is better for a woman’s health and it enhances her conjugal relation with her husband. It’s noteworthy that the Prophet’s saying “do not exceed the limit” means do not totally remove the clitoris”.
    Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi
    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543886
    *Book 41, Number 5251: Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah

  6. Solkhar the covenant denier wrote “Male circumcision is an absolute requirement of Islam and Judaism …”

    Male circumcision was part of the covenant between God and Abraham: “This is my covenant with you and your descendants
    after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you
    shall be circumcised.” ( Genesis 17:10 )

    Nothing to do with islam, allah and its false prophet, and circumcision
    (male or female) is of no avail.

    While on the subject of covenant, while you do show some understanding of the things of God despite your rejection and blasphemy, this is the covenant that muslims seem to have a
    problem with … “On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates–” (Genesis 15:18)

    Spin it, Solkhar!

  7. Yes the history and archives of this blog will show how I shot your accussations and BS to peices and how you (and others) keep on going back to the same quotes by Muslim radicals and not by the Muslim Authorities.

    Yes I can see you having that next-stage-fear of having nothing more to do with truth and being exposed.

    Yet again I see one poster quoting the Muslim equivilant of a TV Evangalist who was then told-off by actual Authorities that his comments were inapropriate. Yes there is a Muslim version of Jerry Falwell.

    1. Solker, frothing:

      “… you (and others) keep on going back to the same quotes by Muslim radicals and not by the Muslim Authorities.”

      I stick to quotes and ruling from the highest muslim authorities, from Al Azhar to Jeddah.

      And for which Muslim Authorities are you speaking, solker? Yesterday I asked you before to name ONE islamic cleric who openly condemns the practice, and you couldn’t name one.

  8. “I stick to quotes and ruling from the highest muslim authorities, from Al Azhar to Jeddah.”

    You did not. I quoted you the most recent for Al Azhar that says it is not appropriate or Islamic. You think any man with a Imam’s hat is the highest authority.

    You did not yesterday ask to name one Islamic cleric that condemns famale gential mutilation, you were talking about another subject. What to many beers ?

    And in regards to that different question, I answered you the most simple and understandable answer – “the rest of them, whom represent the majority” and later I even said, the Head of Al Quarouin, the Imams and clerics around the Mosque I grew up in Rotterdam, most Clerics and the Mufti of Istanbul and many, many others.

    I suggest you step down, take a deep long breath and come back to what normallity you are capable of, and stop making things up.

  9. Solker sez:

    “the rest of them, whom represent the majority” and later I even said, the Head of Al Quarouin, the Imams and clerics around the Mosque I grew up in Rotterdam, most Clerics and the Mufti of Istanbul and many, many others.

    “the rest of them” is just not good enough, solker.

    Its not proof, especially when it comes from a pathological liar, a self appointed Islamo polit-commissar like yourself. You are not a scholar, you have no standing and you have no authority.

    Evidence please.

    Clear and unequivocal statements and verifyable references!

    Waiting….

  10. Solkhar / DHH or someone wrote “I suggest you step down, take a deep long breath and come back to what normallity you are capable of, and stop making things up.”

    Making things up, Solkhar? Are you still purporting to be an expert in
    terrorism financing, or just a food critic today?

    Here’s a “Specialist on State Terrorism” in action – more spin than you, Solkhar!

    Unstoppable Western Fascism in Afghanistan-IV
    Kashmir Watch, Sep 22
    By Dr. Abdul Ruff Colachal [Specialist on State Terrorism]

    Obviously, the ongoing North Atlantic Terrorist Organization (NATO) terror wars in Islamic world being unleashed by the western Axis of Evils are in fact the Third World War with a very high turn out of millions of Muslim bodies- both dead and mutilated; USA and its willing terror partners are only trying to find opportunities to use their nuclear arsenals that are left unused and getting depleted gradually.
    […]

    ( kashmirwatch.com/showexclusives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1253634418&archive=&start_from=&ucat=15&var1news=value1news )

    “a very high turn out of millions of Muslim bodies- both dead and mutilated”

    Spin, Solkhar?

  11. sheikyermami, you’re waiting your time with the Muslim spinmeister.

    According to the UN, in Eqypt more than 90% of women over the age of 14 have suffered FGM. This is Egypt, not Somalia or Bangladesh. This is Islam. Some call it ‘cultural enrichment’.

  12. Note I said that the blog-owner lied, he did not quote Al-Azhar to Jeddah and has again (so many times now) avoided facing up to the truth.

    You failed yet again.

    1. A pathological liar and self-appointed snitch accuses me of lying, that’s rich.

      Check out ‘female genital mutilation is the sunnah of the prophet’ and you’ll find all the answers there.

      “You failed yet again.”

      Good one, that.

  13. Arius, the spin-doctor who was trying to promote Serbian Nationalism and their pathetic claim that there was no Srebrenica Massacre. His trash-talk was cut-short when I pointed out that I was a member of the first inquiry that entered the city after the massacre.

  14. Female genital mutilation “is part of the Sunna of the Prophet”

    Following are excerpts from an interview with Al-Azhar Cleric Farahat Said Al-Munji, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
    Farahat Sa’id Al-Munji: The Prophet said that circumcision is obligatory for men, and is noble for women. This means that for the sake of her honor, a woman can be circumcised. This noble act can be either carried out or not. Moreover, this noble act is subject to restrictions nowadays. I once had a discussion with a gynecologist, who said: “A man brought his daughter to me, and I told him she must be circumcised immediately.” Why? Because he discovered that her clitoris was so big that it was bound to cause her pain or bother her when she reached puberty, and therefore, she had to be circumcised.

    In 1994, Egyptian Mufti Sheikh Jad Al-Hâqq ‘Ali Jad Al-Hâqq issued a fatwa stating, “Circumcision is mandatory for men and for women. If the people of any village decide to abandon it, the village imam must fight against them as if they had abandoned the call to prayer.” [60] The Al-Azhar University in Cairo has issued several fatwas endorsing FGC, in 1949, 1951 and 1981.

    There has been ongoing endorsement of ‘circumcision’ but note the swift switching of terms – it’s not female genital mutilation, it’s just harmless female genital cutting FGC!!
    Once again I will post this recent support for clitoridectomy (as in Egypt):
    On 12/2/2007 Al-Arabiya TV aired ‘Al-Azhar University Scholars Argue over the Legitimacy of Female Circumcision Practiced in Egypt.
    The debate was between Egyptian Al-Azhar University scholars Sheikh Muhammad Al-Mussayar and Sheikh Mahmoud Ashur. The exerts are interesting because they acknowledge the hadiths related to FGM -Muhammad Al-Mussayar notes:
    “All the jurisprudents, since the advent of Islam and for 14 centuries or more, are in consensus that female circumcision is permitted by Islam. But they were divided with regard to its status in shari’a. Some said that female circumcision is required by shari’a, just like male circumcision. Some said this is the mainstream practice, while others said it is a noble act. But throughout the history of Islam, nobody has ever said that performing female circumcision is a crime. There has been a religious ruling on this for 14 centuries.”

    And this is why it is impossible to reform Islam … even if there attempts from within they fail.

    Want more?

    If you scroll down further in the same thread you’ll find that I have answered you repeatedly with references.

    I’m not going to do it again!

  15. Farahat Sa’id Al-Munji – Al Azhar Cleric – Not the Grand Sheik, not representing Al Azhar, as we discussed this already, just naming radical clerical views does not represent main-stream Islam nor its Institutions.

    When we discussed the above, I pointed out that Go’ama the current Mufti and the Grand Sheik both said FGM was “unIslamic” and a cultural practice. Al-Mussayar and Sheikh Mahmoud Ashur are also not the leadership nor the authority but it does show that there is debate in Islam – not that the blog-owner believes that.

    Failed, as we know, you lied and were are the other Authorities that you claim …….’ from Al Azhar to Jeddah’ ……. so far no authorities at all.

    Try again.

    1. So the imams and mufties from al Azhar are no authorities for you, Solker?

      Why don’t you explain that to 90% of Egyptian women who have a clit missing?

      “All the jurisprudents, since the advent of Islam and for 14 centuries or more, are in consensus that female circumcision is permitted by Islam. But they were divided with regard to its status in shari’a. Some said that female circumcision is required by shari’a, just like male circumcision. Some said this is the mainstream practice, while others said it is a noble act. But throughout the history of Islam, nobody has ever said that performing female circumcision is a crime. There has been a religious ruling on this for 14 centuries.”

      And this is why it is impossible to reform Islam … even if there attempts from within they fail.

      Want more?

  16. First none of those are the Grand Mufti or the Grand Sheik and thus the Authority. It is rather like hearing a Catholic Bishop declaring something and you say it is the Pope and the Catholic Church’s official line.

    Your quote above is meaningless, since it is not from those Authorities.
    The point is your playing a game, trying to pin authority when there is little or no authority and thus your actually trying to lite the candle from both ends (not sure if that expression works in English).

    It is because of this “lack of authority” that many barbaric tribal and cultural practices, not to mention terrorism and other issues exist. That is not disputed, but then you go and attempt to make them back into authority and fail because simply put you are wrong.

    As the Qur’an is an example of a living religious document (not killed-off through countless intepretations and translations of those interpretations) it needs to be read as both an example of the life then and then read those instructions and messages that are there.

    You wish to constantly read the history as the message and ignore the actual message, probably simply because you want your Samaria and Judea.

  17. Idiotic for you to ask me to sort out YOUR authorities, solker.

    First you tell me there are, and then there are not. Its you who lights the candle on both ends and burns his fingers.

    Again, all you do is lie and deny and dodge the issue: clit-cutting is Islamic, the clerics support it and 90% of Egyptian women go through life without a clit.

    What’cha gonna do about it?

    Go ahead and tell THEM its un-Islamic, not me.

    I’ll keep an eye on those ultra-orthodox Zionist Jews for you in the meantime.

    If they cause another war you’ll be the first to know, promise!

  18. Solkhar the crucifixion denier wrote “As the Qur’an is an example of a living religious document …”

    An example of a counterfeit of God’s word, delivered by one of satan’s deceiving spirits via a false prophet, full of blasphemies, and bringing death
    to those who fall for its lies.

  19. Blog-owner – it is YOU that is using the mix of they are authority and not, I just point out your hypocrisies and lies.

    As for me, I do my bit about terrorism-financing in North Africa and have some awards and thanks for it, I sleep at night knowing that I fight hate, not spreading it.

  20. CHAPTER TWENTY ONE
    The Circumcision of Girls

    Table of Contents

    Even though circumcision has no Qur´anic basis, it has become an important obligation among Muslims. Yet, it does not have the same importance that is given to other rituals and traditions. According to the majority of Muslims, circumcision is the introduction into Islam and the sign of belonging to it.(1) Jurisprudents claim that circumcision has a great benefit that outweighs the pain resulting from it. The reason underlying circumcision is to remove the foreskin since it collects a lot of excrements underneath it that can lead to fatal diseases, such as cancer. Thus circumcision is a preventive procedure.(2)

    All this applies to men. But what is the reason underlying the circumcision of girls, which is applied in some Islamic countries? The first reason is the statement of Muhammad: “Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.”(3) The second reason lies in the supposition that circumcision makes a woman more enjoyable, provided that it is practised moderately. Umm `Atiyya the Ansarite narrated that a woman used to circumcise in Medina, and the Prophet said to her, “Do not overdo it, because this makes woman more favourable and it is more agreeable for the husband.”(4) As to the third reason why a female should be circumcised, it is to “diminish her lust”, and to “tone down the sexual desire of the woman.”(5)

    Al-Mawardi tells us how female circumcision is performed: “It is performed by cutting a piece of flesh over the vulva topping the entrance of the penis [that is the vagina]. It is homologous to a kernel or the crest of a rooster. One should cut the upper part of it, and not completely remove it.”(6) Al-Shafi`i and most of his followers hold that circumcision is obligatory, as well as `Ata´, one of the old scholars. Ahmad and some of the Malikites hold that it is obligatory, while Abu Hanifa says that it is obligatory, yet it is not a ritual obligation. One Hadith says that it is sin to discard it. The Shafi´ites say that it is improper [to do such a thing] to women. Most scholars and some Shafi´ites hold that it is not obligatory.(7) Jurisprudents say that the circumcision of men, namely removing the foreskin, is a prophylactic procedure that keeps the body healthy. Female circumcision, they say, is otherwise, since removing the clitoris helps only to reduce the libido of the woman but does not do away with it, which is for the common good of society, and for her own good as well.(8) It can also preserve the woman’s dignity and honour.(9)

    As we mentioned previously, the main reason for the circumcision of girls, according to the jurists, is to restrain lust or the sex drive. For the girl nowadays is exposed to all kinds of temptations, they argue, which lead to depravity and corruption in society.(10) Lastly, we learn from Shaltut that women accept circumcision willingly to honour their husbands, as they also hate to look at that part of the flesh that would increase the enjoyment of man when removed.(11)

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