Dreck from a Schmuck: Michael Kruse roots for Honor Killing

Pamela Geller: Assclowns On Parade

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It is scary to see how the tabloid press is infiltrated and perverted by  agenda driven spin-doctors. The experience of Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer in the Rifqa Bary case  exposes one particular scumbag that makes slander and defamation his livelihood:
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Slime-bomb Michael Kruse  video here. Spencer has him on record

Michael Kruse of the St. Petersburg Times: Poster boy for biased pseudo-journalistic propaganda

The coverage of Rifqa Bary’s hearing in the decrepit mainstream media is appalling and dishonest, yet again but I could not help but laugh when I got a gander at today’s column from one of our favorite low lives on the lower end of the media food chain: Michael “Lapdog” Kruse. His last column was low, but he managed  to outdo even himself. He hits bottom and keeps on digging.

You remember my last Kruse fisk here. In that infinitely forgettable piece, he is calling for the arrest of the Christian Samaritans who took in a young girl running for her life. He would have been the better person and turned away a desperate child in fear of her life. Get it??

I am not going to fisk all the dreck he wrote, but a couple of things stand out. His tawdry lies about Rifqa and his denigration of her defenders is disgusting.

No abuse found, says attorney for Muslim family of runaway Christian teen Michael Kruse, St. Petersburg Times

Read the rest here

Orlando Sentinel roots for a murder, again

In an unsigned editorial entitled only “Fathima Rifqa Bary,” September 5 (thanks to Kamala), the Orlando Sentinel once again does itslevel best to make sure that Rifqa Bary is murdered or institutionalized:

Nine — count ’em — lawyers were in court this week in Orlando to continue waging the divisive legal battle over a 17-year-old girl from Ohio. More>>

30 thoughts on “Dreck from a Schmuck: Michael Kruse roots for Honor Killing”

  1. http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/michael-kruse/

    We have been keeping track of the Fathima Rifqa Bary case which the anti-Muslim blogsphere has invested a lot in; attempting to further their agenda of demonizing Islam and Muslims. The fact that they don’t care much about this young girl or her family is obvious, they just want to score points in their tireless crusade against Muslims.

    It seems slowly but surely the case is being resolved and more and more facts are coming out. The anti-Muslim blogsphere lead by the wacky Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer have been casting the family as fanatical, abusive, wanting to kill their daughter. They have cast unsubstantiated allegations on the local Mosque in Columbus, Ohio saying it is a haven for terrorists, even when it has been proved a bastion of moderation.

    Now Mike Kruse of the St. Petersburg Times reports that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) have reported that there is “no evidence whatsoever of alleged abuse or threats of death made by the girl’s parents.”

    ORLANDO — The attorney for the mother of Ohio religious runaway Rifqa Bary said in court here Thursday that results of a critical investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement had come back “very favorable” and “with no evidence whatsoever” of alleged abuse or threats of death made by the girl’s parents.

    Attorney Roger Weeden’s statement was the most contentious part of a hearing that was tense throughout. It came before the judge imposed gag orders in an attempt to restore some order to this controversial custody case turned culture war.

    In addition to the gag order for the attorneys, Judge Daniel P. Dawson gave them 10 days to read the FDLE report — no more talking about that, either — and gave them 30 days to schedule the start of mediation for the Bary family.

    “Let’s concentrate on getting this case resolved,” Dawson said. He set a pretrial hearing for Sept. 29.

    Bary, 17, ran away last month from her family’s home near Columbus because she believes her Muslim parents have to kill her because of her conversion to Christianity. She traveled to Orlando by bus and stayed in the home of evangelical pastors Blake and Beverly Lorenz of the Global Revolution Church for more than two weeks before authorities knew where she was.

    She’s been living with a Christian foster family since Aug. 10. At a hearing Aug. 21, Dawson, the judge, decided to keep her in Florida as custody issues get settled.

    She was in court Thursday, wearing a brown sweater, a white dress and dark red nail polish. She said nothing, but did blow an occasional kiss to people she knew in the courtroom when she wasn’t reading her Bible.

    The FDLE report was finished late Thursday morning. It includes a two-hour, 45-minute interview with Bary. The results of the report, based on what Weeden said in court, mirror the results of a recently completed abuse investigation done by Franklin County Children Services in Ohio. The conclusion up there: “unsubstantiated.”

    Thursday, the state Department of Children Families asked that Bary no longer be allowed to visit with Blake and Beverly Lorenz. The judge agreed, although he let her continue to visit with the Lorenzes’ three children, who are in their 20s, and whom Bary considers “dear friends and spiritual advisers,” according to John Stemberger, her attorney.

    In court, Krista Bartholomew, Bary’s guardian ad litem, said this case was “not a holy war,” but that’s what this has become over the last month.

    Before the hearing on Thursday, outside in front of the courthouse, Tom Trento held a news conference, as he did before the first hearing. He’s from the Florida Security Council, an organization with the slogan of “Securing Florida Against Terror.” This time, though, he brought a pastor from Ohio and a pair of anti-Islam bloggers.

    Jamal Jivanjee, the Ohio pastor, compared Rifqa Bary to Anne Frank, the Jewish girl who was killed by Nazis in World War II and whose diary became what many consider one of the most important books of the 20th century.

    Robert Spencer, who writes on a blog called Jihad Watch, told reporters Islam was here to take over America. Pam Geller of the Atlas Shrugs blog dismissed the results of the Franklin County investigation by saying things were “corrupt in Ohio.”

    “Forget your political correctness!” she said.

    go to link to read it all, there is more
    ………

    No wonder this blog, Spencer and Geller do not like the man, he is after all a reporter.

  2. I thought you reject “extremism”, Solki?

    In the 35-page filing, Stemberger notes the Bary family are “devoted members and followers of the leaders” of the Noor Center.

    The memorandum offers “extensive documentation establishing ties” the Noor Center has with “terrorist groups and the extreme danger this presents to the minor.”

    Stemberger asserts, “As this facility is the spiritual home and directly connected to the Bary family’s daily and weekly life … concerns about the mosque’s leadership and ideology are critical to understanding the potential threat to Rifqa Bary” and to the matter of whether she should be declared a dependent of the state of Florida.

    The memorandum outlines four “primary concerns” about the Noor Center:

    –“The Noor Center CEO and the Muslim Brotherhood.”

    “The leader of the mosque, Dr. Hany Saqr, was previously an iman for another area mosque at the same time the largest known Al-Qaeda cell in the U.S. since 9/11 was operating out of the mosque,” Stemberger said. “Additionally, Dr. Saqr was identified in exhibits submitted by the Department of Justice in a recent terrorism finance trial in Texas as being one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America – an international organization responsible for birthing virtually every Islamic terrorist organization in the world, including Al-Qaeda.”

    –“The Noor Center scholar and terrorist leaders.”

    “A former Islamic scholar associated with the Noor Center is Dr. Salah Sultan, a cleric that has been photographed with terrorist leaders designated as such by the U.S. government. Dr. Sultan has recently appeared on television inciting violence against Jews, and he has previously appeared at events in support of designated terrorist organizations while an active part of the Noor Center community,” the memorandum continues.

    –“The Noor Center and extremist speakers.”

    “A number of extremist speakers have been featured at recent Noor Center events who are on record making statements in support of violence, terrorism and extremism. … One regular speaker and fundraiser for the Noor Center was listed by federal prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing trial,” Stemberger asserts.

    –“The Noor Center tied to nationwide FBI terror investigation.”

    “The Noor Center has also been directly tied to the ongoing nationwide investigation into Somali-American youths who have left the U.S. to train in terror camps operated by the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabaab terror organization.”

    In an Aug. 27 interview with Florida Baptist Witness, former Muslim Ergun Mehmet Caner said “there’s no question” the threat to Rifqa is real.

    Filing in Rifqa Bary case claims ‘extensive evidence’ of Islamic extremism

  3. * Robert Spencer, who writes on a blog called Jihad Watch, told reporters Islam was here to take over America.

    I wonder where he got that idea? Could “allah”, the false prophet and
    the koran hold any clues? Any dots to connect, Solkhar?

  4. Well, come out and say it, Solki:

    you support honor killings and you support the extremist Noor mosque, just like you support Loonwatch.

    I’m impressed! You are truly a moderate Muslim who can be trusted!

    Noor Islamic Center in Columbus, Ohio may provide clues to Rifqa Bary’s fear

    Rifqa Bary is a 17 year old Christian. She was born into a Muslim family but converted 4 years ago. After alleging she received death threats from her father for her conversion, she ran away from her home in Ohio and her story made national headlines. The father denies he made any threats to her and she remains in foster care in Florida.

    On Monday, her attorney filed an affidavit about the mosque her family attended; the Noor Islamic Center in Columbus, Ohio, and its leader, who was identified by the FBI as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Below are some highlights from the 35 page document (pdf file):

    I. THE NOOR CENTER CEO AND THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
    The leader of the mosque, Dr. Hany Saqr, was previously an imam for another area mosque at the same time the largest known Al-Qaeda cell in the U.S. since 9/11 was operating out of the mosque. Additionally, Dr. Saqr was identified in exhibits submitted by the Department of Justice in a recent terrorism finance trial in Texas as being one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America – an international organization responsible for birthing virtually every Islamic terrorist organization in the world, including Al-Qaeda. One of his subordinates identified in those trial exhibits was identified in a FBI memorandum as providing $735,000 to Hamas while under Dr. Saqr’s direction.

    II. THE NOOR CENTER SCHOLAR AND TERRORIST LEADERS

    A former Islamic scholar associated with The Noor Center is Dr. Salah Sultan, a cleric that has been photographed with terrorist leaders designated as such by the U.S. government.

    Dr. Sultan has recently appeared on television inciting violence against Jews, and he has previously appeared at events in support of designated terrorist organizations while an active part of the Noor Center community. Following his departure to Bahrain, unconfirmed reports indicate that his US citizenship application has been denied and that he has been banned from reentering the US.
    III. THE NOOR CENTER AND EXTREMIST SPEAKERS

    A number of extremist speakers have been featured at recent Noor Center events who are on record making statements in support of violence, terrorism and extremism.

    Evidence also indicates that some of these speakers have been directly involved in fundraising and supporting the mosque since its inception. One regular speaker and fundraiser for the Noor Center was listed by federal prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing trial.
    IV THE NOOR CENTER TIED TO NATIONWIDE FBI TERROR INVESTIGATION

    The Noor Center has also been directly tied to the ongoing nationwide investigation into Somali-American youths who have left the U.S. to train in terror camps operated by the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabaab terror organization.

    CNN has identified Columbus as one of the main centers of the FBI’s investigation. This story was recently the subject of a lengthy front-page New York Times story…”

  5. Mike Thomas is a journalist with the Orlando Sentinel which has been following and reporting on the Fathima Rifqa Bary case. The case of the young runaway has garnered much attention and many of the Islamophobes and anti-Muslims have much invested in it. Recently, conservative attorney John Stemberger who volunteered to represent Rifqa is now claiming that the real danger to the girl comes from the Mosque that her father attends.

    Mike Thomas wanted to check if these sentiments were truly held by the neighbors of the Mosque or those who knew it, in a blog titled This is a Terrorist Mosque?, Thomas writes,

    Attorney John Stemberger, who volunteered to represent Rifaq Bary, now claims that the real danger to the girl is her father’s mosque – the Noor Islamic Cultural Center – which he says is radical and has ties to terrorism.

    I checked that with Rabbi Misha Zinkow, of Temple Israel, who spoke at the Noor center earlier this year at an inter-faith gathering.

    “Their presence in the community is a positive one,” he said. “My interaction with the Muslim community has been very positive.”

    I then asked the Rabbi if Columbus was a hotbed of Islamic extremism, another charge I frequently hear.

    “I don’t think I would echo those sentiments,” he said.

    The Noor Islamic Cultural Center also is a member of B.R.E.A.D., a social justice organization that includes a number of Protestant churches (Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, etc) , Catholic churches, Episcopalian churches, Temples and even the Unitarians.

    Earlier this month, the Center had an interfaith session on homeland security.

    Here is a promo the Center put out on Youtube. You can see all those middle-aged, crazy terrorists flipping burgers and hot dogs on the grill.

    Mike Thomas shows that this Mosque is far from the “terrorist Mosque” that it is being painted as by Rifqa’s attorney, but will it be enough for those who are using the Fathima Rifqa Bary case for their own agenda to stop their crusade to paint the Mosque as a haven for terrorism whose members will kill Rifqa if returned?

    LoonWatchers might have noticed that the anti-Muslim blogsphere with the likes of Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer have been reporting on this case constantly and have invested a lot in it, pushing full throttle to see to it that Fathima R. Bary does not end up with her parents and instead stays in Florida. Just today Robert Spencer posted a blog requesting his supporters to contact (pressure) the Florida court to keep Rifqa there. For them it is a high stakes game in the war against Muslims, so if Fathima is returned to her parents and the courts find that her life is not in threat they will end up with major egg on their faces.

    1. “Social Justice under Islam” Solki? What’s that?

      Tell us about the Berbers, Solki:

      Hugh Fitzgerald borrows a title from Sayyid Qutb in addressing a common dhimmi misconception:

      We often hear that Islam has a rich tradition of fighting against “inequality” and for “social justice.” These claims need to be held up to the light. In fact, Islam is based on “inequality.” It is the only belief-system in the world that recognizes, and legitimizes, for all time, slavery — because slavery was good enough for Muhammad, al-insan al-kamil, the Perfect Man.
      The Arabs were the first and the last and the most aggressive and cruel of slave traders in black Africa. The Arab enslavement of black Africans never ended; it continues today, most notably in the Sudan and Mauritania. Slavery was outlawed in Saudi Arabia officially only in 1962, and only because of Western pressure — just as a century before, the African slave trade by the Arabs was severely curtailed only by the power of the British navy. Even today there are reports that indicate that slavery is still unofficially practiced in Saudi Arabia, behind those tall walls of the compounds of the rich who run and own everything in that country. For more on the enslavement of black Africans, see J. R. Willis, or Jan Hoogedorn’s “The Hideous Trade” (about the seizure and castration of young blacks whose survival rate was 10%).

      Of course, the Muslims also raided Western Europe for slaves. Europeans built the palace of Moulay Hassan in Morocco (see “White Gold” by Giles Milton, about Thomas Pellow). Muslim slave raiders also ventured into Eastern Europe, including the territories of the Slavs (Slaves), seeking more slaves. Finally, women were seized from Georgia and Circassia to fill the harems (and harems were not limited, as some Westerners appear to think, to the Muslim rulers).
      But even without the long and continuing history of slavery or near-slavery, the nonsense about “equality” and “social justice” can be shown for what it is by the example of all the wage-slaves who occasionally manage, in London or New York, to run away from their cruel Saudi or Kuwaiti masters. Then the tales of what they endured are fleetingly the subject of attention, and then the door into Arab Muslim reality is slammed shut by some well-paid lawyers and other fixers.

      In the Gulf states, the treatment of Filipino workers (Pinoys) and especially nurses, as well as of Indian and Pakistani and Sri Lankan and Thai workers, has been hair-raisingly horrible. They suffer both as non-Muslims and as non-Arabs, for the Arabs are careful to make not one distinction, but several: 1) Muslim or non-Muslim 2) if Muslim, Arab or non-Arab 3) if Arab Muslim, what kind of Arab Muslim? These distinctions are made at every level, in every encounter, in every situation. Even the governments of the Asian countries whose nationals are treated with such cruelty have on occasion protested.

      As for “social justice” in the sense of economic justice, one wonders what those who have swallowed this line actually know about the Muslim countries, where despots and a handful of the rich rule and simply steal the country’s wealth. In Pakistan, a handful of zamindars and generals rule over a primitive and self-primitivizing population. In Iran, the main objection to the rule by mullahs is their vast corruption. In Kuwait, the U.A.E., and all the other statelets of the Gulf, while there is so much money coming in that everyone gets a cut, the ruling family — the Al-Sabah in Kuwait, the Al-Thani in Qatar, the Al-Maktoum in Dubai -– gets the largest share. And of course, the most fantastic thievery, the greatest theft in history, was that by the House of Saud in the country they named after themselves, “Saudi” Arabia.

      As for the related myth of Muslim lack of materialism, those who believe in that nonsense have apparently wandered into the wrong room in the Museum of Religions and mistaken the exhibit on Buddhism for that on Islam. There is only one serious pastime in every rich Muslim country: shopping. And more shopping. Shopping in the gold souk. Shopping in the clothes stores. Shopping for electronic gewgaws. Shopping for the very latest in computer stuff. Going to Europe for more shopping: London, Paris, Rome. Via Condotti, rue du Faubourg St.-Honore, Fifth Avenue, Rodeo Drive. Shop, shop, shop.

      Read any of the accounts by those who lived in Saudi or the Gulf statelets — for example “Money Rush,” or the novel “Eight Months on Ghazzah Street” by Hilary Mantel. There you will see that the rich Arabs in their buying habits, men and women, resemble no Westerner so much as Paris Hilton. Whole countries full of hypocritical, meretricious, vicious, brutal, corrupt, Jihad-funding people — and with the buying desires of Paris Hilton or Michael Jackson, or both of them combined.

      Then finally there is the grinding poverty in much of Saudi Arabia, endured by those who have the misfortune to be unconnected to the ruling family or any of their hangers-on. They endure this poverty out of the way of prying Western eyes, in districts where only the poor themselves, and those trusted to tell no tales, may venture. This is a story yet to be told.

      So much for “equality.” So much for “social justice” under Islam.

  6. I find honour killing a detestable cultural practice. I have said that throughout and have reported on it in my own blog, pointing out that the most frequent amount of honor killings happens actually within the Hindu community of India, just like infantcide and particular female infantcide.

    As for loonwatch, I have only discovered it so I have no opinion but it is rather interesting, because it does agree that radical far-right hate-mongers such as Spencer and Geller are getting thier BS will reviewed and pointed out.

    I noticed it got up your nose immediately. Ooh, soft (weak) spot.

  7. * I find honour killing a detestable cultural practice.

    I find it to be a detestable islamic practice. YMMV.

  8. Actually Spencer and Geller are NOT radical right-wing hate-mongers … am quite curious of the definition used to assign this description to them. They may speak loudly against the various abuses conducted in the name of islam but that does NOT make them right wing hate mongers! In any case, honor killing is rife in many middle eastern islamic communities. Although it is a cultural issue, it is interesting that most islamic societies are guilty of it.

  9. Of course we are all radical right wing hate mongers, because we resist the spread of Islam, which makes us the enemy of Islam:

    Muslim scholar Bassam Tibi explains:

    At its core, Islam is a religious mission to all humanity. Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world. ”We have sent you forth to all mankind” (Q. 34:28). If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call (dawa) can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. In Islam, peace requires that non-Muslims submit to the call of Islam, either by converting or by accepting the status of a religious minority (dhimmi) and paying the imposed poll tax, jizya. World peace, the final stage of the dawa, is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam. Muslims believe that expansion through war is not aggression but a fulfillment of the Quranic command to spread Islam as a way to peace. The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of “opening” the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Quran and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the dawa, are blamed for this state of war, for the dawa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them. Only when Muslim power is weak is temporary truce (hudna) allowed (Islamic jurists differ on the definition of temporary).

    More>>

    What could be worse than resisting the Islamization of (our) infidel countries?

    Muhammad said, “I have been ordered to fight against people until they say that “there is no god but Allah”, that “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah”, they pray, and pay zakat (religious taxes.) If they do that, their lives and property are safe.” (temporarily,,,)

  10. The flood appears to justify the unjustifiable.

    Fitzgerald is linked to the unabashed hate-site Jihad Watch and thus is not an academic or journalistic document.

    Fitzgerald like Spencer fall for the trick of making lots of quotes but in the end, not really representing the issue at hand – just trying to show shock and horror or the like.

    So for instance in the above he talked about Sultan Moulay Hassan in Morocco and wants to show how slavery was such a “Muslim thing” to do, but of course forgets that the statistic still show that the greatest abusers, mass movers and violence against slaves was done by the west. Of coure the Arabs were involved in slavery, in fact almost all societies at some point have.

    But the real question is why raise it here and now on this thread? I guess your upset that I came across a website that shows the rubbish from Spencer, Fitzgerald and Geller and your running out of arguments so you’ve changed the subject altogether to some how justify something and most laughable – you failed miserably because it is out of context and ironically and typically incorrect.

    Oh, and FYI about the Berbers. Here they are doing just fine, things have changed, the Allaouite dynisty is now just as much Berber as it is Arab for a start, they have now their own Cultural Affairs ministry, language expansion, they dominate the retail market completely – so what did you want to talk about?

  11. “Liar!

    You support it! You even support the radical Noor mosque!”

    BS! Never supported it, only ever condemned it and I do not even know the Noor Mosque but I do open my eyes to seing the different reports and not jumping to biased BS conclusions like some do.

    It is so pathetic to start claiming whom is the liar when you’re just playing a game.

  12. I haven’t changed the subject at all, Solki.

    YOU changed the subject on the golden toilets of Al Andaluz… still waiting for proof! (we’re not talking about the modern toilets of Arabia today which are produced in Western countries…)

    But the question is: do you agree with Bassam Tibi? At least he is an Islamic scholar….

    (since you don’t respect Fitzgerald…)

  13. You have shown your true colours and have decided to be not just far-right, but unabashedly pro-Israeli and thus your postings will always now be in doubt to its sincerity.

    Tibi represents the community he grew up in and his past.

  14. * It is so pathetic to start claiming whom is the liar when you’re just playing a game.

    It is you who is the role-player, Solkhar … you admitted to lying and
    purporting to be that which you are not, remember?

  15. STILL waiting for your answers in defense of EVIL SADISTIC ILLOGICAL allah Solkhar who creates people, with the sole purpose of punishing them and whay do Mohammedans persecute Gays in this world when alh HYPOCRITICALLY gives you ‘Pearly Boys’ for pleasure in the ‘great Mohammedan knocking shop in the sky’ which is Mohammedan paradise.

  16. sheikyermami et al, your wasting your time and energy on the loon muslim. His aim is to confuse us. I don’t read his postings since he is nothing but obfuscation and deception. It might be time to think about blocking him.

  17. I really don’t understand why do you engage that pathetic Solkhar-thing in a discussion. He is a mohammedan and therefore per definition a liar. Have you ever met a mohammedan who would admit that his cult has been wrong about anything, anywhere, any time? Of course not. Otherwise he would have been an ex-mohammedan.
    As I wrote on another website, mohammedans are human only in a purely biological sense. On the moral, spiritual and intellectual level they are horribly distorted mutants due to their exposure to islamic cult from their earliest infancy. What high radioactivity is to the human body so is islam to the human soul and mind. What a monstrous disease.

  18. Dear Solkhar,

    [I find honour killing a detestable cultural practice. I have said that throughout and have reported on it in my own blog, pointing out that the most frequent amount of honor killings happens actually within the Hindu community of India, just like infantcide and particular female infantcide.]

    Allow me to correct your misinformation.

    Theres a dark history in India that brings all of this horrible crimes in place. Hindus Place women in pedestals, As well as Cows, Not because its Holy, but because it was the closest to a Mother to a child.

    In wars. A cow takes care of a young child very much like a mother does. Women are celebrated, not suppressed.

    Hoever, this changed rapidly when the muslims empires invaded India.
    The only stratergy was to change India into a muslim nation & wipe out the Hindus.

    When they invade, the kill rape & plunder anything their eyes set on.

    Hindu women are humiliated & they extend their sarees to cover their head, just like the burka.

    Women quickly became a problem to families. Hindu women are constantly taken and raped by the muslim invaders. And to get them married is a task many could not afford. Even the entire family was killed when their daughter were taken away. but mostly decide to end their life to save from deep humiliation.

    The sick this about this was when the Husband dies, the Hindu women becomes the taking of any Muslim invader, She becomes a sex slave.
    This is so sick that the women would rather kill themselves while cremating the husband.

    Guess what, After the Invaders have been defeated. The killings stopped, but the ‘self oppression’ never did. It became an integral part of their society. It is a dark history that Indians do now wist to talk about.

  19. “I find honour killing a detestable cultural practice. I have said that throughout and have reported on it in my own blog, pointing out that “…the most frequent amount of honor killings happens actually within the Hindu community of India…”

    In exactly the same sentence he says he finds it “detestable” he hurries up to point out that other than moslems are engaging in the same practice. It doesn’t really matter whether it is true or not (probably a lie as most of his “facts”) – what matters is the typically mohammedan infantile, dishonest and cowardly “tu quoque” tactics of dealing with irrefutable facts. Actually it is even lower than tu quoque since he hurls back the accusation not on the opponent, but third-uninvolved in the discussion-party. It is as if a murderer/rapist standing for trial defended himself with pointing out the obvious truth that “mohammed did it too”.

  20. I would have to say that Islam is based upon maintaining the inequality. We need only to see the horrendous treatment meted out to non-arabs and non-muslims by the saudis and some other Gulf states to understand the mentalitiy that prevails in these societies. These societies have no place in the modern world. Much of the abuse, including torture and murder, that has been imposed on foreign domestic workers was actually recorded by the perpetrators themselves ie the Saudis. After Obama’s internet cleanup all of these sites disappeared – they were not just blocked – they vanished completely. I have commented on this previously, and I still find it disturbing. There is inequality to non-muslims in the muslim eye, and inequality to non-arabs in the arab eye. Incidentally, racism is alive and well in the muslim middle east, in muslim Thailand, and muslim Pakistan. Another reason for “inequality” is for islam to suppress the possibilities of their own people, thereby creating willing assailants for islam on grounds that are highly questionable at best. I actually have a lot to say on this matter but I find the general picture rather depressing – and I concede that there is now 60-70% probability of a major conflict driven in islamic aggression in the near future. When I see muslims continually making excuses for their religion, and not displaying the slightest interest in trying to rectify the faults of islam that allow it to support extreme violence, then the possibility of a major conflict is high. Unfortunately, the first battles will probably be fought in our backyards.

  21. Worldwide there are about 15 conflicts involving muslims who can’t live with their neighbors.
    Even if islam would dominate the world than there would not be peace,
    but more regional conflicts; morocco-algeria, egypt-libya, palestine-
    syria, iran-saudi arabia, pakistan-india, malaysia-indonesia, russia-
    kazachstan. because it is always someone else’s fault, now they can still
    blame it on Israel and the U.S., europe and the non-islamic world.
    But the idolaters do not know peace says my Yahweh (Yesyeyahoo)

  22. SM
    I thought it was about 80..but can’t recall where I read this.. Included in this figure is probably all the muslim on muslim conflicts. I think that quite a few westeners don’t know that they can’t get on with each other also.

  23. There are at least 15 major conflicts involving Muslims because islam did not evolve like judaism and christianity, still who knows exactly
    about the number of conflicts there are too many, but that’s unfortunately the path this world is going and religion doesn’t bring peace and never will. only the multi-manifestational YHWH can.

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