Fisking a "real anal-yst…"

Fisk is an idiot, but one of the concepts he raises is true: demanding change of backward Muslims just stirs the nasty little barbarians up.

Tim Blair:

Robert Fisk, the famous verb, advises teaching and education and caring as ways to improve the Middle East:

We always arrive with our tanks and our helicopters and our armoured personnel carriers and our soldiers instead of arriving with our teachers, our educators, our doctors and our social carers … we always come with soldiers, we always come to impose the society we believe these people should have.

(He forgot to add: “… and always for no particular reason or provocation.”/ed)

Fisk illustrates perfectly the screwed up, mangled and utterly perverted thought processes of the far-left commentariat.- Michael Moore, Phillip Adams, Noam Chomsky being others who engage in these bizarre mental acrobatics.

Observe, from 1.30:

But seven mere minutes later, during the same interview, Fisk tells teachy doctor-style carers to get the hell out:

We still feel that we are the superior people, that we must teach the other people how to live their lives. But, you see, if you have an NGO, for example, go into an Afghan village and announce that there must be equality of education between men and women, the men will see this as an attack on their society, their culture and their religion.

At the end of the day, they are the ones who are going to have to come to this decision. And, if the delay takes another century, we westerners have to put up with that.

Leaving aside Fisk’s rapid self-Fisking, consider the views expressed here by a leftist icon. For a start, it isn’t we in the west who have to put up with inequality of education. It’s women in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Middle East, whom Fisk thinks should be condemned for at least the next one hundred years to live by decisions taken by male village elders.

One wonders if Fisk would take the same view of a household in London wherein a father forbade education to his daughters. And what of a culture (the United States) that resists the intrusion of someone attacking their society (Fisk) who believes that a former elected leader (George W. Bush) was rubbish and should have been thrown out? In the case of non-Middle Eastern countries, Fisk evidently feels himself a “superior person” who “must teach the other people how to live their lives”.

Incidentally, Bobby, if we capitalists want to maintain our freedom, you socialists have to put up with that.

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3 thoughts on “Fisking a "real anal-yst…"”

  1. Why do the left-thinkers always claim that the Israelis are “stealing this land” when, in fact, they are merely taking back that which was once theirs. promised in the bible by God, before they were expelled by Islamic conquest over a thousand years ago.
    He claims we think we are the superior people. I disagree. I consider myself an equal to my fellow human beings. My problem with Islamists is their superior attitude that Allah guides them and remain so until we convert to Islam thereby putting ourselves on the same pedestel, and following the same shariah as the Islamists. The Germans had a superior attitude as did the Japanese during WWII and considered other races inferior and fit for extermination.
    It’s not much different with the present lesser jihad.
    That is just my humble opinion, but I don’t much like Fisks.
    I have to agree on one thing though…we have to quit trying to impose our systems of government on them. Let them run their own countries the way they wish. Let them make their own fiscal, moral, societal and political decisions. Just as long as they don’t bother or terrorize us.
    If they do rain terror down on us then they deserve the wrath of Allah!

  2. Land for peace?
    Nasrallah of Hizbollah said that Israel should never be recognised by
    any arab nation.
    How can you make peace with people who don’t recognize your country? Hamas priority is to destroy the zionist state.
    Giving land for empty promises will only encourage more attacks on
    Israel; more rockets fired into israeli territory.
    Historical rights; palestinians are descendents of the Philistines, which
    would give them only the right to live in the Gaza strip. nothing more.
    To rectify something i have written earlier; mixing up the Belfour
    declaration and the U. N. resolutions and the fact that the main reason
    for palestinians leaving the land in 1948 was panic & confusion among the population and not the ordering out by arabs or forcing out by israeli’s. (otherwise Israel wouldn’t have palestinian/arab citizens).
    Still arabs never wanted to co-operate for a real solutions, Egypt and
    Jordan acted in their own interest, not in favor of the palestinians.
    A partly gaza/negev/sinai palestinian state could have been reality
    a long time ago but no one is really interested in real peace overthere.

  3. Robert Fisk, Osama bin Laden’s favorite scribbler:

    Keith Olbermann comes second; (Adam Gadahn’s choice) Bin Laden’s favorite was Al-Jazeera.

    Osama bin Laden pondered the merits of US television news channels as he considered how to extract the best propaganda benefit from the tenth anniversary of 9/11 last year, and concluded that CBS was “close to being unbiased”.

    But an American-born media adviser for al-Qaeda warned Bin Laden to beware of the broadcasters’ “cunning methods” as he described Fox News as a channel in the “abyss” that should “die in anger”, CNN as too close to the US government and MSNBC as questionable after it fired one of its most prominent presenters, Keith Olbermann.

    In a memorandum made public by the US military’s Combating Terrorism Center on Thursday, Bin Laden asked for advice on exploiting the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

    “We need to benefit from this event and get our messages to the Muslims and celebrate the victory that they achieved. We need to restore their confidence in their nation and motivate them. We should also present our just cause to the world, especially to the European people,” he said.

    Bin Laden suggested contacting Al-Jazeera.

    “You can point out to them that this way they will be showing the other opinion,” he said.

    But he also wondered if it would be good to work with an American channel, suggesting CBS as “close to being unbiased”. Bin Laden added that the organisation should approach a British journalist, Robert Fisk of the Independent, and other reporters to press home the message that the major powers would be better concentrating on climate change than pursuing al-Qaida. He wrote:

    “This is a chance to explain our motives for continuing the war. The wise people would tell you to give people their rights in order to be able to focus on other vital issues such as global warming. They have the option to stop the war, but we do not have any option, except to defend our nation. This is a conflict between the biggest cultures in the world at a time when the climate is changing rapidly.”

    A US-born al-Qaida spokesman, Adam Gadahn, wrote back to Bin Laden laying the merits or otherwise of using US news stations to mark the “Manhattan battle” as it is referred to in the memo.

    Fox News is dismissed because it “falls into the abyss as you know, and lacks neutrality too”.

    “I used to think that MSNBC channel may be good and neutral a bit, but is has lately fired two of the most famous journalists – Keith Olbermann and Octavia Nasser the Lebanese,” wrote Gadahn.

    In fact, Nasser was sacked from CNN after she sent a tweet mourning the death of a Hezbollah leader. Olbermann was dismissed for making financial donations to Democratic party politicians.

    CNN is questioned, although its Arabic “version brings good and detailed reports”.

    “As for the neutrality of CNN in English, it seems to be in cooperation with the government more than the others (except Fox News of course),” he said.
    Gadhan describes ABC as “all right”:

    “Actually it could be one of the best channels, as far as we are concerned. It is interested in al-Qaida issues, particularly the journalist Brian Ross, who is specialised in terrorism. The channel is still proud for its interview with the shaykh (Bin Laden),” he said. “CBS channel was mentioned by the shaykh. I see that it is like the other channels, but it has a famous programme (60 Minutes) that has some popularity and a good reputation for its long broadcasting time. Only god knows the reality, as I am not really in a position to do so.”

    The merits and shortcomings of other major US broadcasters are considered before Gadahn decided he couldn’t make his mind up and worried that al-Qaida’s message may come under critical scrutiny. He wrote:

    “In conclusion, we can say that there is no single channel that we could rely on for our messages. I may ignore them, and even the channel that broadcast them, probably it would distort them somehow. This is accomplished by bringing analysts and experts that would interpret its meaning in the way they want it to be. Or they may ignore the message and conduct a smearing of the individuals, to the end of the list of what you know about their cunning methods.”

    “In general, and no matter what material we send, I suggest that we should distribute it to more than one channel, so that there will be healthy competition between the channels in broadcasting the material, so that no other channel takes the lead. It should be sent for example to ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN and maybe PBS and VOA. As for Fox News, let her die in her anger.”

    Gadahn also mentions sending “special media material” on the 9/11 anniversary to a number of newspaper journalists around the world, including Fisk. The intent, he said, is to “show the fairness of our case to the whole world and the European peoples in particular”.

    As it turned out, the advice was not required. Bin Laden was killed four months before the anniversary.

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