Iran: Top Shia Cleric and Ahmadinejad's Spiritual Adviser Says Islam Sanctions Rape of Political Prisoners, Both Male and Female…..

Ahmadinejad’s Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners

Islam, as understood by true believers. Now watch our Islamo trolls pop up and tell us none of this has anything to do with Islam and we got it all wrong

* and our lefty loons have their knickers in a twist over ‘Gitmo’ & ‘Abu Ghraib…’

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Mesbah-Yazdi (l) with Ahmadinejad

Mesbah-Yazdi (l) with Ahmadinejad

(IsraelNN.com)- A highly influential Shi’a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.

In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rapeand torture of dissident prisoners in Iran’s jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi’ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.

…….”Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?” was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: “The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it’s acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed.”

“Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?”
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.

Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: “No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape.”

A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:

“If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi’ite holy city of] Karbala.”

One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: “What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?”

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: “The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women – ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi’a Muslim.”

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52 thoughts on “Iran: Top Shia Cleric and Ahmadinejad's Spiritual Adviser Says Islam Sanctions Rape of Political Prisoners, Both Male and Female…..”

  1. It is difficult to believe that the Iranian people are subject to the will of these animals of a daily basis,

  2. For all those who claim we all worship the same God…no where in any Christian or Jewish texts is it mentioned to pray WHILE raping a prisoner!! WTF? And no where does it say the rapist will receive a spiritual gift for the rape. OMG this is the bottom line of islam. No can dispute that. These fuckers need be eradicated!!

  3. An Iranian friend told me that many , many Iranian muslims are” pretend muslims.” They act like muslims and go thru the motions out of fear and terror. They also privately cling to their old pre islamic religion. Her lovely sons told me how much they hate islam.

  4. I condemn radicalism in all its facits but I also condemn bad or blatant propoganda. Also I am no fan and I am not a Shi’ite and especially their radicalism. I have been there many times over a period of 2 years and I know when things go bad, it goes really bad there. BUT, fair reporting should be given, not this BS.

    It should start of with the article which is simply propoganda for INN which is a nationalist journal in Israel and thus linked politically to the far-right.

    The second point is that Mesbah-Yazdi is a radical Twelver cleric and is part of the Ahmadinejad radical revolutionary guard group. He is not a supreme leader and if one remembers the news, you will find that the Supreme Leader condemned rape. Why would he condemn this and yet INN would not mention it? Simply put he is one of many clerics and though he is dangerous and controls the President, he does not represent the country’s official views and opinion on Islam. The Supreme Leader and the Ayatollah of Qom represent the Shi’ite official view on such thing and they did not say it.

    Theresaj, it is twice you said this and I have to say that there are those but in most cases, the average Iranian is in fact a strong-conservative and devout Muslim. Your friend’s sons obviously no longer live there and have an opinion. Most expats have “opinions”.

    Kaw, though the item was BS, life is very hard when the RG (Revolutionary Guard) get there hands on anything. They simply are are the Stazi, SS, inquisition all rolled into one, they are becoming less and less as time goes by but it will take an election or two more before they are gone and when the change occurs – there will be a lot of punishment and revenge for 31 years of pain.

    1. Solkar,

      1. I am fully aware that you are “no fan and I am not a Shi’ite and especially their radicalism” – Please let us know what makes them so radical and what makes the Sunni Muslims peaceful.

      2. Don’t blame Israeli media for telling the truth. (Your disgusting Jew-hatred is showing again)

      3. “Mesbah-Yazdi is a radical” – are there any non-radical clerics and what power do they have?

      4. ” the average Iranian is in fact a strong-conservative and devout Muslim” -thanks for confirming it, solkar.

      5, They simply are are the Stazi, SS, inquisition all rolled into one (I am not worried about any of them, solkar.) What worries me is the rise of Mohammedanism.

  5. Blog-owner, you said “Now watch our Islamo trolls pop up and tell us none of this has anything to do with Islam and we got it all wrong…”

    Yes it is obviously the rantings of a political-radical group.

    But more important, I should say “now watch all the Evangelical trolls pop up when I tell them that the Qur’an, the Bible and the Torah are all from the same source and are equal, with the Qur’an being the only one not corrupted by the hands of men and clarifies parts of the other two”.

    1. Tu Quoque, Solkhar.

      Must be painful to be a Muhammad worshiper…

      ” the Qur’an, the Bible and the Torah are all from the same source and are equal, with the Qur’an being the only one not corrupted by the hands of men and clarifies parts of the other two”

      That statement makes it clear that you know nothing, not a thing about Bible or Torah. You are a poor indoctrinated fool, solkhar.

  6. Please, this has nothing to do with islam, any religion can be perverted this way, do you really think catholic inquisitors were any better ?
    And anyone has a source more credible than an israelian website ?
    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t have any doubt that these guys are monsters, but they usually try to hide it. Such clear declarations need to be seriously verified.

    1. As far as I know, there are no biblical instructions the inquisition referred to in order to justify rape on young boys and girls. As for “this has nothing to do with Islam” you are definitely barking up the wrong address here on this blog. Please take it up with Iran’s Ayatollah’s who justify rape on Islamic grounds.

      I find no fault with Israeli media in general. You are suggesting that, because you are indoctrinated to believe that “Jews are the vilest of creatures” . However, this has no bearing on the truth.

  7. Solkhar,
    Most muslims have” opinions”…oh sorry I forgot muslims are not allowed to think. The boys I was referring to are Iranian ex muslims not expats. Yes Solkhar despite all you say, there are a lot of ex muslims out there. The lucky ones are still alive. Would you have them all executed?

  8. Solkhar the blasphemer: ‘But more important, I should say “now watch all the Evangelical trolls pop up when I tell them that the Qur’an, the Bible and the Torah are all from the same source and are equal, with the Qur’an being the only one not corrupted by the hands of men and clarifies parts of the other two”.’

    Me, Solkhar? You can take up your blasphemies with the Author of the books that you claim have been corrupted, but here is a warning from the Revelation of Jesus Christ that you mock and reject:

    Revelation (of Jesus Christ) 22:18-20

    I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

    And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

    He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

    Don’t go through with it, Solkhar. It is not worth it.

  9. Mohammad in an attempt to give his INVENTION the Krap Kran and Islam some credibility plaigurised Jewish and Christian religious books. Unfortunately the ‘illiterate’ desert dwelling Arab peasant only heard the stories by Chinese Whisper and so some were wrong and some were deliberately altered to fit HIS agenda. When the narcissistic megalomaniac was caught out of course he said the previous book were corrupted. Now look at it logically according to Mohammedans allah is supposed to have sent down all the books but the ONLY one that could not be corrupted was the Krap Kran. So what was wrong with allah before Mohammad was he weak and incapable of protecting his books or really is Mohammad just a narcissistic liar. I go with the liar explanation myself.

  10. “If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca],

    ‘Spiritual reward ‘ – I think I’m going to be sick!

  11. Someone,
    I would generally give credence to Israeli new reporting – and I would believe their side before accepting something from our MSM at face value – one reason is clear – Israel has to be open and transparent in what it says otherwise it gives ammunition to their detractors who are more then eager to attack. Till the present I have seen no reason to disbelieve the Israeli media. The monsters in Iran don’t bother to hide – they have no need to and the opinion of the outside world on their activities has little bearing on their actions. The reaction to the recent protests, the murder of an unarmed woman, all bear witness to this. For those who remember the kidnap of the UK sailors, it took the Revolutionary Guard four attempts to provide a set of co-ordinates (position where the UK sailors were kidnapped) that were not in international waters!!! Four attempts!! What was amusing was the silence of the MSM. That means these thugs kidnapped the UK sailors in international waters and they could not have cared less about it being known. They also tried the same trick with RAN personnel who made it clear that they would be blown out of the water if they attempted to continue – the Revolutionary Guard then turned tail. It also means that in technical aspects of military work they are somewhat lacking. As to whether or not the Revolutionary Guard will disappear – difficult to say in the short term.

  12. Dear Solkhar i remind yesterday in one of your Comment you insulted me…with many Big Bad Words,it don’t bother me when it’s coming from a muzz…..I’m not like you,i don’t insult peoples i’m always Polite and Classy…I will not go under the skirts of Sheik complaining and crying like a baby as you do each time when you dislike someone here,Verschtant.
    In the Future you can take the answers of the Sheik for mine because I totally agree with what he says and he expresses it much better than me.
    And too,you says i don’t appreciate you,…that is Wrong !
    The proof of that I’ll give it to you now…i told you before i’m a big,Big Productor of Pork, thats True…….One of my Female Pig had 20 Piglets last month,it’s too much for her…i took 3 of them and keep it in my home, they were bottle-fed by my Wife (Piggy)…and one of the three was a male,last week i told myself i must found a Name for him….Its a little Rascal he always Playing and Shitting everywhere in the house but gradually it becomes Cleaner with the Help of Kick in the Ass…
    And you will not believe me Solkhar but I gave him your name in your Honor,now he is a bit Older a month and a half he is following me everywhere on the Farm like a Dog…he is a real Slave i don’t know why he has that mentality….maybe his Ancestor are from the middle-east who knows probably a defective Gene ??….Now Solkar you are always with me all the Day…i just gave him another Kik in the Ass right now because he was molesting his 2 Sisters….Don’t worry solkhar i will teach him Discipline,the Prussian Way.
    You see Solkhar for me it’s the Greatest Honor i can give to someone,call one of my Pig with his Name…
    Sincerely and affectionately Pierre x

  13. Blog-owner,

    1. “Please let us know what makes them so radical and what makes the Sunni Muslims peaceful. ” Oh, I forgot, you believe that radical Islam is right and only show their opinions and actions and the rest of the world are heratics and you give them no thought or time – because it does not suite your agenda.

    2. “Your disgusting Jew-hatred is showing again”. Your a propogandist joke ! I have no issue with Jews, I know them, I am friends with them. Your playing the rather political agenda game that any criticism of anything of Israel is anti-Semitic. I only remarked that the INN report is agenda-based and biased and that it is a far-right journal. But then it is your objective to create hate against Muslims and anyone questioning you.

    3. “are there any non-radical clerics and what power do they have? ” I guess this shows that you have not read up or have knowledge of the events in Iran, even though it was dominating the media for about three months every day. The Grand Ayatollah for my part is radical but nto as radical as the cleric in question. He stated his contempt and demanded an inquiry into the rape subject. Thoughs who have any knowledge will know for example that though conservative in our books, the two previous Presidents (both clerics) are considered moderates in Iran and are not supportive of the RG. They would not have supported that issue on rape, none would have denied the holocaust – but having said that they would support the theological state, supressed any recognition of the brutalities that occured, such as against Bahai’s and even now Zorastrians and much more.

    4. ” the average Iranian is in fact a strong-conservative and devout Muslim” -thanks for confirming it, solkar. Theresaj had doubts.

    5, They simply are are the Stazi, SS, inquisition all rolled into one (I am not worried about any of them, solkar.) What worries me is the rise of Mohammedanism. You have a right to your minimalist, simplistic and myiopic fears, as the saying goes :

    “If you look for an evil hard enough, you will find it eventually – even if it does not exist.”

  14. “If you look for an evil hard enough, you will find it eventually – even if it does not exist.”

    Yes, Solkhar, and then you can dob them in and have them deported,
    or worse.

    “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.” (The prophet Isaiah – Isaiah 5:20)

  15. Blog-owner,

    a last point about your rather pathetic and low attempt and trying to label me as a Jew-hater, which you know yourself is incorrect.

    I draw your attention to my posting this past Monday 31 August – http://solkhar.blogspot.com/2009/08/dinah-babbitt-1923-2009.html on the passing of the holocaust survivor Dina Babbitt.

    Why would I post such an item if I hated Jews. What I am not, is like such people as yourself whom will in fact hate one entire group of people and seek their annihalation.

  16. That last line gives you away as the projectionist you are, Solkhar.

    Every day, every week we record the genocidal rants of Islamic clerics and bloodthirsty Muselmaniacs who exhort the believers to wipe out the Jews, to kill Jews wherever they can be found, to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, etc, etc.
    We also note that these clerics or Islamic spokesmen (or women) rely on the abominable Jew-hatred originating from Koran-sunnah.

    And you come here, annoy everyone with unsubstantiated drivel, while finally accusing us of what YOU are doing. You are indeed the prototype of an Islamo-troll, Solkhar.

    What beats me is:

    why are you all so unoriginal and so predictable? Is this kind of “argumentum ad projection” what they teach in the madrassas?

    Furthermore, why are you so obsessed with those who tell the truth about Mohammedanism?
    Do you see it as your muselmanic duty to “protect your faith” from scrutiny?

    Wouldn’t it be better to use your energy to educate your co-religionists about the ‘real Islam’ which is peaceful?

    Great idea, solkar:

    You could get rid of this “anti-Muslim rhetoric” once and for all without destroying the freedom of speech. Here’s how. If Muslims want to end “anti-Muslim rhetoric” instantaneously, here’s how they can do it:

    1. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
    2. Renounce definitively not just “terrorism,” but any intention to replace the U.S. Constitution (or the constitutions of any non-Muslim state) with Sharia even by peaceful means. In line with this, clarify what is meant by their condemnations of the killing of innocent people by stating unequivocally that American and Israeli civilians are innocent people.
    3. Teach Muslims the imperative of coexisting peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis.
    4. Begin comprehensive international programs in mosques all over the world to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism.
    5. Actively work with Western law enforcement officials to identify and apprehend jihadists within Western Muslim communities.

    If Muslims do those five things, voila! “Anti-Muslim rhetoric” will no longer be heard anywhere.
    In fact, if Muslims do these things, I can finally take this website off the web and go back to making money….

    which would be a lot more productive…

  17. So let me get this straight, you constantly report “genocidal rants” of the same groups of “Islamic clerics” and then focus that plus your own unsubstantiated drivel to say it is everyone.

    In the end it would be better that you do close down this blog and make more money because the reality that you have to face is in fact very simple to follow:

    1) The reality is that the world knows that what your putting up here is propoganda and bigotry – ie were is the world scandal and war against Islam (because if all what you ranted was, there would be an uprising)?

    2) Most who contribute to this blog item or are quoted are all well known and documented far-right wing and academically shunned.

    3) You as a blog-owner have maliciously cut posts that have proven errors, have blatantly followed and declared lies in the face of facts, constantly used the “bigot escape clause” taqqiya or “Jew-hater” and when cornered (because you never actually have debated), either change the subject or have said “I do not care”.

    4) In particular your postings have been void of actual facts, particularly in historical realities, claim stupid things like the age of the Qur’an and then dismiss the issue as “who cares”, avoided others like immportant factors such as evidence and relevance (you gave no evidence on the Five Schools supporting that there is a jihad and that it is crucial to Islam and then no relevace by pathetically trying to give the names of 9th to 16th century individuals as today’s authority.

    5) But most of all, you have confessed on a number of occassions that this blog is satirical and thus you have tainted all that you have posted as being such.

    I think that 1) that the reality is your a sad minority and 5) you blog is satirical that has gone overboard really sums it up.

    1. This blog seems to bother you enormously, Solker. You really get your knickers in a twist!

      You want facts? Here are facts and if you wish we can debate them till the cows come home:

      There is not a single traditional school of Islamic jurisprudence that does not teach that it is an obligation of the Muslim community to wage war against unbelievers and subjugate them under the rule of Islamic law.

      Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh ‘Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).

      Of course, there is no caliph today, and hence the oft-repeated claim that Osama et al are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes “obligatory for everyone” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).

      Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”

      However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)

      Here’s where your group comes in, Solker:

      Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

      Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”

      Want more, Solker? Go ahead and prove that you’re a “moderate Muslim!”

  18. “So let me get this straight …”

    Solkhar, I doubt you could get anything straight, even in bed, let alone
    the Biblical truths that you mock, reject, and blaspheme against, just
    like your false prophet.

  19. A message to all muslims around the world
    You are all subject to rape under your leaders and their actions could be justified by simpley consider you a harm to Islam
    Many of the rape victims in Iran were very religious Muslims and their only crime was to complane abou their votes being stolen, many were raped just because chanting Allah-o-Akbar or wearing a green shirt
    Islam must be something personal and if you give the power to your leaders, any of you, your wife, kids, family, brothers and sisters could be victim of rape while the rapist proud because he is brainwashed of serving Islam
    If this is Islam, then doom to this Islam

  20. Solkhar, Solkhar!

    The Ramadan fast is affecting you badly… its quite obvious to see you have lost your marbles….

    Once again: why are you so obsessed with those who tell the truth about Mohammedanism?
    Do you see it as your muselmanic duty to “protect your faith” from scrutiny?

  21. “I think that 1) that the reality is your a sad minority and 5) you blog is satirical that has gone overboard really sums it up.”

    Solkhar – from spinning like an Iranian centrifuge to Chernobyl melt-down in two weeks (give or take a day or two).

    China Syndrome, Solkhar?

    Do yourself a boral paver, Solkhar – leave islam – fast as you can!

  22. Cyrus is the other example, they get all confused, they support Muslims for being Muslims and then condemn Islam – yeah duh!

    The faithless evangalist goes further trying, I think, to make some manhood joke, which falls mute to a proud father of four of which two are adults, one is a successful musician on a scholarship at 15 and the other just a young child. Usually such quibs about manhood comes from the weak at heart and faith. But that makes sense for this blogger because he has lots of doubts in his faith, it is evident when he has to attack others and “sell his faith” – very sad indeed. I do not sell my faith, I just follow and believe and live it.

  23. Solkhar babbled on about “The faithless evangalist goes further trying, I think, to make some manhood joke …”

    Me Solkhar? If you mean “I doubt you could get anything straight, even in bed”, it has nothing to do with your “manhood” or your sex life, it is a reference to your penchant for telling porkies, from the expression “couldn’t lie straight in bed”, which simply means that you are very dishonest – looks like it is an Australian expression, so
    you may not be familiar with it, but you get the idea.

    ==============================================
    idioms.thefreedictionary.com/couldn’t+lie+straight+in+bed
    couldn’t lie straight in bed (Australian informal)
    if you say someone couldn’t lie straight in bed, you mean they are very dishonest
    ==============================================

    Based on your admission of creating various role-play identities and
    pretending to be that which you are not, the expression is an apt
    description of you, don’t you agree.

    Who are you, Solkhar? (apart from a BS artist)

  24. “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.”

    Yep there is no Caliph because there is no need for Jihad and please, stop making yourself look even more incompitent by reciting phrases from 14-15th century scholars.

    You almost got it and failed. The whole point is that there is a set-up for the condition when or if there is a war declared against Islam. The concept is that if a war against Islam is forced upon them that a leader will be chosen, a Caliph. Much of this is on the basis from haddiths and not the Qur’an and thus the language of the time puts it as being a war that was forced upon Islam by Christians and Jews.

    1. Solkhar:

      Most of your co-religionists would disagree. Go and prove to THEM that you are right and they are wrong, don’t bother with me and the people who educate themselves about your “religion”.

      In fact, your co-religionists might cut your throat for being an apostate, Solker, because their understanding of Islam is quite different from yours:

      Here is a real gem from ‘ask the imam Ibrahim Desai’ – originally there was a piece where a young Muhammedan in Norway writes something like “these nice people who give us housing, medicare, free schooling and all kinds of support, do we really have to kill them when the call to jihad comes?”

      And the Imam answers something like: ‘It is not for you to question the will of Allah, and Allah knows best…!’

      But this one here is equally good, if not better:

      Allah Ta’ala Knows Best
      Thursday, Dec. 21, 2006 at 8:14 AM

      I have a question about offensive Jihad. Does it mean that we are to attack even those non-Muslims which don’t do anything against Islam just because we have to propagate Islam?

      I have been reading Tafsir e Usmani for the last month or so. In it I have read that offensive Jihad (first attack) should be done by Muslims for 2 reasons. 1) For the sake of Allah (in the Way of God) 2) For the sake of subjugated people under oppression like in Kashmir, Palestine etc. Now the second reason I completely understand. But the explanation given of the first reason is “For the sake of Allah includes the propagation of Islam, the survival of Islam, the extermination of those hindrances which impede the progress and expansion of Islam.” (explanation of verse 190, Surah baqara) I really don’t understand this explanation. What does propagation of Islam mean here? Does it mean that we are to attack even those non-Muslims which don’t do anything against Islam just because we have to propagate Islam? For example, there are many countries in the world which are not enemies of Islam in any way (at least I think so). Please explain to me against which Non-Muslims, the Muslims have to do Jihad and against which, Jihad is not allowed. JazakAllah Khair.

      Answer 12128 2004-07-13

      You should understand that we as Muslims firmly believe that the person who doesn’t believe in Allah as he is required to, is a disbeliever who would be doomed to Hell eternally. Thus one of the primary responsibilities of the Muslim ruler is to spread Islam throughout the world, thus saving people from eternal damnation.

      Thus what is meant by the passage in Tafsir Uthmani, is that if a country doesn’t allow the propagation of Islam to its inhabitants in a suitable manner or creates hindrances to this, then the Muslim ruler would be justifying in waging Jihad against this country, so that the message of Islam can reach its inhabitants, thus saving them from the Fire of Jahannum. If the Kuffaar allow us to spread Islam peacefully, then we would not wage Jihad against them.

      and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best

      Mufti Ebrahim Desai

  25. “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.”

    But the war was forced upon islam by Christians and Jews?

    Wouldn’t it be more honest (lie straight in bed – nothing to do with
    manhood) to say Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians make war upon
    the caliph until …..” (whatever – if it was true)

    There is no Biblical imperative for Christians to make war upon muslims, Solkhar – rather, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
    has a kingdom which is not of this world, for now, and will allow
    the false religious system Mystery Babylon to be drunken with
    the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus, and the Beast 666
    to wage war upon the saints and to prevail.

    That said, God will deal with islam, in accordance with His will and
    purpose, as revealed through the prophets (not the fakes like Mo).

  26. * disbeliever who would be doomed to Hell eternally

    Solkhar seems to know better than “allah”, when he had a go at Realist and ruled that (islamic) Hell isn’t eternal, just a long time (or words to that effect). When I pointed out that he was contradicting “allah”, he dismissed it by saying he was not a theologian and there were other views.

    Solkhar is weak on the basics of islam, but pretends that he is,
    yet couldn’t lie straight in bed when dispensing his disinformation.

    Not getting much traction here, Solkhar?

  27. Islam perverts all that ArchAngel Gabriel stands for. One of ArchAngel Gabriel’s domain, is over the lower Chakra of Reproduction in Purity for Humanity. Islam is a abominable ideology, accepting and fostering Rape and Paedophilia, through Mohammeds example and words.

    Muslims, bow your heads in SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.

    SEAMYSTIC

  28. Solkhar
    The boys are immigrants not expats. It sounds as if you do not understand what expat means. They are thriving in a free country and will tell anyone who will listen just what they think of islam.
    I don’t care how many times I say things. My original comment was relevant because this topic is about islamic madness in Iran. It is good for western people to know that many people are muslim out of fear and not much else.
    When I lived in a muslim country I had a lovely friend who was also an ex muslim . He had become a Christian many years earlier. He was one of the lucky ones in that his family had not abandoned him. Is there any place in your world for ex muslims Solkhar?

  29. Allah is a creation of Muhammad and he uses this as a tool to earn his respect & propaganda.

    This tool, supposedly to unite people is used for his own good, making up rules as time goes by, even contradicting previous rules.

    Other religions would stick to a point & thats it, but islam mandates something with conditons.

    This leads to other people emulating Muhammad & inventing rules as they like & also leads others that could not have any reasoning besides hatred to condemn others as well that are not muslim.

    Besides hating jews, both Hitler & Muhammad have a common trait.
    They corrupt others by telling them this:

    “People that do not believe what you believe in is wrong” – Nazi Jr’s Camp. This is the easiest was to corrupt a young mind.

    The only effect of this causes stupidity and irrationality, which is in abundance among muslims today.

    In the Muslim world, its ok to:
    1. RAPE
    2. KILL
    3. CHEAT
    4. LIE
    5. STEAL
    6. FORNICATE
    7. BRIBE
    8. ACCEPT BRIBE
    9. DISHONOR AGREEMENTS
    10. DEFAME

    Of cause, muslims would defend this, like Solkhar, He would defend against the top 10 above like the end of the world, But, other muslims would say Its ok to do it IF THE CONDITIONS ARE MET!

    Even Muhammad and his companions consumed date wine, and theres no big deal, but after someone was whipped for slandering while being drunk, everyone jumps in and say islam prohibits alcohol.

    What a mess history has made Islam to be.

  30. theresaj,

    I take the word as the dictionary meaning :

    expat – a person who is voluntarily absent from home or country

    But I take your point that an immigrant who has no interest nor interest in returning is not an expat. Most Iranians are in fact expats who would if things changed want to go back.

    I have no problems with ex-Muslims at all “except” for those that use their ex-Muslim status to attack the religion. They can moan and grown or show justified hatred for groups of Muslims, islamists, radical and extremism and so on, but not the faith itself. Why? Because I think that is offensive, just as offensive if someone attacks Judaism, Christianity or any other “faith”.

    Getting back to Iran, I know many Iranians, both Muslim, non-Muslim and even ex-Muslim. I have, as I mentioned before, been to that country probably on about 20 occassions, being responsible and accredited to that country on a subject whilst being posted in our embassy in Ankara, Turkey for two years. What I know is this, the vast majority of Iranians are strongly faithful and conservative leaning Shi’ite Muslim. There are elements, mostly from the wealthy Bazaari grouping who are not so much and there is, like in most countries a new young generation whom are unsure, not happy with life and are not interested in Islam and are obviously not going to show it due to the conservative climate. Those are the groups your friends are talking about and probably know, as I assume your friends are from the large cities. I should add, that also like the rest of the Muslim world, these youth in fact often change their religous habits as they get older, a good portion of them will once they go through the unemployed rebellious stage of their youth and move on, get married and family, they discover that they want and need religion.

  31. Blog-owner,

    Most of my “co-religionists” would actually agree with me and it is discussed constantly.

    As for you, the last thing you are doing is trying to “educate themselves about your “religion”.”. It is good that you recognise now in the last two quotes that my faith is a religion and not a cult.

    “In fact, your co-religionists might cut your throat for being an apostate”

    Again, the blog-owner encourages and supports radicalism like Wahhabism and basically is telling all us Muslims whom are not radicals like them (whom are a small minority) that we are the bad and unfaithful Muslims – that is so pathetic is is in fact laughable.

    What is obvious here is that your not interested in references, yet again refering to nothing official or sanctioned and often you give us 9th to 17th century examples as if that is relevant.

    I guess I could find quotes from the leadership of Christianity during the 9th to 17th century that would talk about the obligation of all good Christians to save the world and as we know of one period – make them confess their sins and acceptance of the Church of Rome or burn on the stake. Others about how the Black man is cannanites and even I can find a statement from the Church in Australia that sanctioned as “good Christian ethics” to steal the children from Aboriginals to save their souls. It is called the stolen generation.

    I will not though, because I am not so low and self-degrading to do so.

    Your arguments are getting desperate there blog-owner, because they are not, they are just rather sick rantings.

  32. I am posting this on behalf of reader Xavier:

    Sheik Yer’ami:
    With respect to the Spanish inquisition, yes it was far better than the secular courts of the time and infinitely superior to that monstrous justification.
    No Inquisitor ever raped the prisioners- if they did you can bet Charles Lea and the Protestent polemicists of the 16th cntury would’ve made sure EVERYONE remembered such evil.

    Well that anti-natural law apologia merely highlight Islam’s greatest flaw, it doesn’t have a magisterium so Islam is whatever the beard with the most firepower (or bloodthirsty throat cutters in the old days) bombastically trumpets….until he’s whacked another beard proclaims something else and so on forever.

    xavier

    Posted by: xavier at September 2, 2009 7:35 AM

  33. Egyptian Lawyer Calls Out For Raping Jewish Girls
    By: MEMRI

    Note that the lawyer with these perverted views is a female!

    Memri.org | Tuesday, November 18, 2008

    “[Y]oung Arab men should sexually harass Israeli girls wherever they may be and using any possible method, as a new means in the resistance against Israel” — and this from a female lawyer no less.
    “Egyptian Lawyer Nagla Al-Imam Suggests Arab Men Should Sexually Harass Israeli Women and Declares: Leave the Land So We Won’t Rape You,” from MEMRI, originally airing October 31 (thanks to Dionysios):

    Following are excerpts from an interview with Egyptian lawyer Nagla Al-Imam, which aired on Al-Arabiya TV on October 31, 2008.
    Interviewer: Egyptian lawyer Nagla Al-Imam has proposed that young Arab men should sexually harass Israeli girls wherever they may be and using any possible method, as a new means in the resistance against Israel.

    […]

    Interviewer: We have with us the lawyer Nagla Al-Imam from Cairo. Welcome. What is the purpose of this proposal of yours?

    Nagla Al-Imam: This is a form of resistance. In my opinion, they are fair game for all Arabs, and there is nothing wrong with…

    Interviewer: On what grounds?

    Nagla Al-Imam: First of all, they violate our rights, and they “rape” the land. Few things are as grave as the rape of land. In my view, this is a new form of resistance.

    Interviewer: As a lawyer, don’t you think this might expose Arab youth to punishment for violating laws against sexual harassment?

    Nagla Al-Imam: Most Arab countries… With the exception of three or four Arab countries, which I don’t think allow Israeli women to enter anyway, most Arab countries do not have sexual harassment laws. Therefore, if [Arab women] are fair game for Arab men, there is nothing wrong with Israeli women being fair game as well.

    Interviewer: Does this also include rape?

    Nagla Al-Imam: No. Sexual harassment… In my view, the [Israeli women] do not have any right to respond. The resistance fighters would not initiate such a thing, because their moral values are much loftier than that. However if such a thing did happen to them, the [Israeli women] have no right to make any demands, because this would put us on equal terms – leave the land so we won’t rape you. These two things are equal.

    […]

    I don’t want young Arab men to be interrogated. I want these Zionist girls with Israeli citizenship to be expelled from our Arab countries. This is a form of resistance, and a way of rejecting their presence.

  34. Solkhar
    The boys are neither rebellious nor unemployed. They are very hard working one with a degree and now in full employment ; the other doing well in university. If they are looking for a religion when they are older , it certainly won’t be islam.
    I know you always like to have the last say , so go on , have the last say.

  35. * I will not though, because I am not so low and self-degrading to do so.

    But you will submit to “allah” (satan), and blaspheme against God
    and his only begotten son, deny the crucifixion, and all the other things that “submission” entails.

    I think the American term for you is a “four flusher”, but Merchant
    Banker would do.

    Stick to being a food critic.

  36. We have been saying for the past 1400 years that Islam is a violent religion, but were called “hate mongers”. Mesbah Yazdi is a prominant cleric and has used the Quran to issue a decree. This is an alarm to all those muslim and Islam apologists to wake up before it is too late. Quran sanctions anything: rape, torture, killing, hanging, stonning to further the casue of Islam. The West needs to wake up befor it is too late!

  37. All religions will be seduced by the anti-christ,
    he will abolish all religions and replace it by a new world religion
    and his personal worship.
    Yeshua Ha Mashiach will destroy it all and establish the real
    Qahal YHWH.

  38. Solkhar

    The so called stolen generation of aboriginals in Australia is a political correctness lie and myth. Although I concede that many aboriginal children were taken from their parents and placed with foster parents and boarding schools etc, they were not taken because they were aboriginals. Many thousands of white children were taken too. You see, back then…..before political correctness…..society had the radical notion that parents that abused their children…didn’t send them to school…..neglected them…….etc etc…….those children should be removed from those bad parents and cared for by people who will do better………regardless of race. The policies of the country were equally applied to everyone…in fact…..because there were more whites by far then aboriginals……..far more white children were placed in foster car……..I should know…..I’m one of them. And I can tell you……..considering what no hoper useless drunks and abusers my parents were…….I thank the government for giving me a chance……and so do the aboriginal people that I knew and still know……it’s a thing that has been highlighted by aboriginal community for political reasons……mainly to get compensation in money. It’s a load of bullocks.

  39. Hummm. I just stumbled on this site… & it scares me. I can’t quite figure out whether this is real?? Or you’re joking?? I get it, there are some lame Muslims in the world… there are some lame Christians… & Catholics…& whatever other group you wanna talk about. Do you really think all Muslims are bad? I can’t help but cringe when I read this site. I’m all for free speech & putting your thoughts out there… but dang. I’m sure the extremists look at Timothy McVeigh & the wing-nut preacher with the “Thank God for 9/11” signs & think all us Americans are wing-nuts too. Just an observation that I am sure you’ve heard & don’t really care about. Just seems like this kinda stuff adds fuel to the fire… which wouldn’t be so sad if there weren’t people dying every day from all this hatred. It’s just pretty sad. I think you need a Muslim friend & a beer (or a case of beer).
    P.S. I read the fine print… but I can’t say I’d ever come back on here anyway. Good luck. Sadly, I think you guys might need it =/

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