Malaysia: Fanatical Frenzy Watch

The Myth of Islamic Tolerance:

Mohammedans go apeshit over a torn Koran, cartoons, teddy bears named Mohammed  or anti-Islamic demonstrations in western countries.  In countries like Malaysia, where they have the upper hand, they show their true colors and behave like ………..(fill in your favorite expletive)

Here the tolerant Malay Muslims shock resident Hindus with a severed cows head in order to prevent them from building a Hindu temple on their own land. Muslims  believe Hindus are “cow-worshipers”…

Malaysia Bows to Muslim Pressure, Blocks Hindu Temple…

37 thoughts on “Malaysia: Fanatical Frenzy Watch”

  1. A wonderful celebration of diversity in a modern, moderate, well-educated multicultural society where islam has brought peace,
    equality and justice for all. Right, Solkhar?

    Spin it – an agenda-driven blog owner posting things showing islam in
    a negative light while doing [insert $3 in coins, select cycle, and press “Start”].

  2. Catholics have been stopped from building churches in Malaysia for decades..In fact no Christians are allowed to call their churches , well…. churches..they have to call them ”centres.”

  3. rather amusing that the only way islam can propagate is by violence and terror.

    and for those who feel offended by lack of punctuation
    And for those who feel offended by lack of punctuation.

    It is amusing: islam can only propagate via violence and terror.

  4. Malaysia the PAKISTAN of S.E.Asia Malaysia where the Bumi Putera Laws make all the 40% non Muslim wealth generating Population in to Dhimmies. Where EVERY Company MUST have a Malay MUSLIM on the Board and a sleeping partner shareholder . Malaysia where Muslims get precedence for college places and once there get at the minimum a default PASS even worse than the RACIST Affirmative Action for Blacks in the USA. Malaysia where Jemaih Islamiah the TERRORIST organisation that carried out all the ALL Indonesian bombings is legal and runs Madrassas with connections to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Malaysia which supports and gives safe haven and refuge to Muslim TERRORISTS who cross the border in to Thailand to kill Buddhist women children and Monks. Malaysia which support and gives safe haven to Muslim TERRORISTS who go to the Philippines to kill Christian women and children. But hey Malaysia is a MODERATE Mohammedan state LOL. Malaysia where they will WHIP a woman till she bleeds and scars for having a beer but not during Ramadan of course have to wait til after. So now you know what passes for moderation in Islam and what will happen ANYWHERE that Mohammedans get power.

  5. Why does anyone in his/her own sane mind allow the building of mosques in democratic countries when these cretin muslims would not even consider the thought of churches, temples or religious associations places being built in their countries? This is insane. They want everything their way or the highway…

    Well it is time for the western countries masses to wake up from the multicultural dreamland of denial instilled by their elected officials and demand a stop of this descructive insanity on its track. A freeze on all mosques buildings, until they consider a more fairer and equal approach to building religious places of worship in their own backwards…

  6. I agree Sammish , Truth etc..
    Further to my above post, the govt took over all the Catholic and other church schools in Malaysia and now they are almost all run by malay is very hard to find a Chinese headmaster although there used to be a lot of them..a lovely well educated friend of mine , an indigenous local , was told he would get promotion thru the education department if he converted to islam. He chose to remain Catholic and lowly paid. Previously, these church schools produced very educated, capable people.
    And as for malays being indigenous..what a joke..there are many different people groups who are indigenous..
    For all his unbridled insanity, Mahhatir was part Indian yet endlessly promoted the malays.
    This is the country Solkhar considers to be ”great”…it was his next choice of somewhere to live after Morrocco.

  7. Thersaj,Hi you too…But for me it’s not the morning it’s 4 pm in the day…I know you live in NZ ,i never been there but one day i will go meet you and Mullah in Australia,,,,For Sure !
    I went on Jihad Watch i saw the Post but i don’t saw your comment there,anyway maybe you didn’t comment on this Post there….No Problemo !
    Sucky is my Punching Bag…I must practice everyday if i want become a good Boxer…..

  8. theresaj has now on two threads basically lied about conditions in Malaysia. She has said that there are no “churches” in Malaysia but they are forced to call them “centres”.

    So, knowing that is incorrect because of my close friends in Malaysia, one is a Dutch-Malaysian Catholic, I just simply did a google search and found for example the following:

    Good Shepherd Catholic Church, 2 Jalan Air Putih, Taman Air Panas, Kuala Lumpur, WP Kuala Lumpur
    St.Ignatius Church, Jalan SS 25/23, Taman Mayang, Petaling Jaya, Selangor
    Holy Redeemer Catholic Church, Persiaran Rajawali, Kawasan 17, Port Klang, Selangor

    “Archdiocese Of Kuala Lumpur”

    I guess it would be to much to ask theresaj to just admit that she read it in a questionable blog or made it up. I heard information gets rather distorte by the time it reaches the streets of Christchurch, Auckland or Wellington.

    The fact is that there are radical movements in Malaysia and they are even growing, I am hoping that the government takes the harshest of lines with them and not to let them go to far. It should also be understood that radicalism is everywhere and there are also Hindu Chauvenists movements in Malaysia and they are provoking just as much and there is still a strong subversive communist movement mostly amongst the Chinese population, they are being hit hard and constantly – memories of civil war and terrorism still run high.

    Malaysia is still a very good country to live in within any religous group and the bias towards Muslims only stems to the highest levels of office – you cannot be a non-Muslim member of the royal families. The rest is still basically fair and open to others – with about the same level of political bickering, bigotry and corruption that exists in most countries.

    Your turn theresaj.

  9. Solkhar,
    I am not a liar…Any of these churches you mention will be old churches..Try building a new ”church” in Malaysia…..
    Malaysia” basically fair”.. is that a joke Solkhar???
    Malaysia is one of the most racist places on earth..all non muslims live under complete and utter oppression. Many others posting here are aware of this. Australia put up with Mahattir’s ramblings for years.
    I once showed my older brother some of his anti foreigner ramblings. My brother was very shocked and thought that he was ”just like Hitler.”
    I lived in Malaysia for years and know more about it than you will ever know Solkhar…..As I said previously , your views are those of a tourist..a very easily deceived tourist at that.

  10. By Definition, A church is a building for any Christians (or Jews) to pray. It has rows of seats that faces the altar that’s usually a cross. It also ‘Looks’ like a ‘Church’ with a peak by the entrance with a cross or a globe on it. (Crosses are for churches for Catholics while protestants have a globe on it)

    The churches in Malaysia have temporary permit. The ones built after 1957 (Malaya’s Independence) dont have the church’ features physically.

    Churches are only granted providing there are 2 million christians in a state and it MUST NOT LOOK LIKE A CHURCH.

    Most church look like factories. No car parks and are normally beside a busy highway.

    None of the churches are funded by the government besides the ones in East Malaysia (where the state government was christian at one time)

    For example, St. Ignatius church looks like a double story factory unit, They were not allowed to put a cross on the top. Even placing a sign board with a cross in it was a great fight.

    Solkhar, Do you know that ALL TEMPLES in Shah Alam are built before the Independence? Before 1957?

    DO you know that the Muslim government states that ALL TEMPLES in Shah Alam are officially SQUATTER in status? In Malay, it means “Rumah Setinggan”

    I did not believe, But when I personally visited myself to at least 3 temples, they showed me the official letter by the State, – SQUATTERS

    Are you establishing the fact that the government is radical itself?

    Picture of the Church:

  11. Sucky knows very little,he only throwing anything ,anyhow…it’s a muzz,he is not Responsible at all,he never felt guilty of anything he done. It’s a Turkish Jihadi Psychopath with a Laptop and Poud of It !

  12. Thanks for all your info tJwork…I knew of a community of Catholics in KL who had been trying to build a church for over twenty years..they kept meeting planning restrictions and changes and objections. I have lost touch with the woman I knew in the community so don’t know if they were ever able to build it. I agree with others who state that mosques should not be allowed to be built in western countries while Christians and others are not allowed to build places of worship in so called muslim countries.
    Do you know anything about when/how the church schools were taken over?

  13. “Australia put up with Mahattir’s ramblings for years.”

    So that is one example of a poltiical leader who is no longer there. The Australian Prime Minister Keating called him a recalcitrant if I remember and he tried to imprison a former friend who chose to tell him his mistakes (Anwar Ibrahim, whom I know and respect). But does one leader represent the whole? Oh yeah I forgot, one bad experience on your part and you blame an entire religion.

    Now, going back to subjects of so-called repression of churches in Malaysia. Now I know your both arguing for something that is basically not true. I have, as I said, been many times there, have good friends and from all forms of lifestyle, religon and even political persuasion. I have been from Jahore to the Sarawak and I have seen and know of churches that are old and established and new ones, that do not look like factories. So either you are making it all up or your all reading questionable blogs.

    Try this list of which was easy to find, I am certain they are not all pre 1957 and most had links and I did a random sample of 20 of them and guess what, they do not look like factories.

    Agape Gospel Assembly, Seremban Seremban, Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia
    All Saints’ Cathedral KK Sabah, Malaysia
    Basel Christian Church of Malaysia, Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
    Basel Christian Church of Malaysia – Tawau, Malaysia
    Basel Christian Church of Malaysia, Tuaran Chinese
    Bercham Methodist Church, Ipoh, Malaysia
    Bethel of Glory Penang, Malaysia
    Bridge International Church – Wisma Chinese Chamber, 258 Jalan Ampang, Suite 7.02, Malaysia – Tel : +603-4256-2120 –
    Calvary Charismatic Centre Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia
    Calvary Church, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Canaan Baptist church – 82-2, Jln Radin Tengah , Seri Petaling , 57000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – tel.: 603-90585817
    Canning Garden Methodist Church, Ipoh, Malaysia
    Cheras Gospel Centre Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Chinese Methodist Church – 23, Jalan RU 7/1, 46050 Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia – Email: – +6 03 7956 8425
    Chinese Methodist Church, Taiping, Malaysia
    Christ Church Ipoh – 109, Persiaran Wira Jaya Timur 23, Taman Panglima 31350 Ipoh, Perak + 60 5546 0444 Email
    Christ Church Penang, Malaysia
    Christ Community Centre, Selangor, Malaysia
    Christ Gospel Church, Sitiawan, Perak Chinese
    Christ’s Commission Centre
    Christ’s Commission Centre – Penang, Malaysia – Chinese
    Christian Fellowship Centre – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – Chinese
    Christian Grace Church (Gereja Kristen Grace) – Taman Bukit Maluri, Kepong, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – tel.: +603 6274 8058
    Church of Christ – Likas Kota Kinabalu Sabah, Malaysia
    Church of Christ – P.O Box 13238, 88836, Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia – tel.: 013-860 6671
    Church of Christ – 7, Jln Tukas 1, Taman Soga, 83000 Batu Pahat, Johor, Malaysia – 07 – 434 9076 Email
    Church of Christ – 20 Jalan SS19/1G, 47400 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia – 03-56380046 / 03-56329692 – Email
    Church of Christ – 63-A, Jalan Lim Bo Seng. 30300 – Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia – 05-255 8859
    Church of Praise – Ipoh, Malaysia
    Church of Praise (Gereja Praise Johor Bahru) Johor Bahru, Malaysia
    City Celebration Centre – sg abong Muar, Johor, Malaysia
    City Community Church (Assembly of God) – 549-A, 1st Floor, Plaza Melaka, Jalan Gajah Berang, 75200, Melaka, Malaysia
    City Discipleship Presbyterian Church – Subang Jaya, Malaysia – Tel. 03 5632 3844
    Community Baptist Church, PJ Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Community of Praise International Church – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – + 603 4270 2330 –
    Cornerstone Ministries Tamil Church – 17A (Upstairs), Jalan Mahligai, Bahau, NS, Malaysia – tel.: 019 399 4004 – Email
    Damansara Utama Methodist Church
    Elim Chapel – 10 Jalan Desa Aman 9, Desa Aman, Cheras, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – tel. 603-9130 3194
    Emmanuel Baptist Church – 14, Jalan Padang 4/48D, Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia – tel.: 0377837639
    Emmanuel Baptist Church – 180 Hui Sing Garden, 93350 Kuching, Sarawak, Malysia – 082-450089 EM
    Evangel Christian Assembly -152-4-7&8 Kompleks Maluri, Jalan Jejaka, Taman maluri, Cheras, Kuala Lumpur 55100, Malaysia – tel.: +60-3-92005437 – Email
    Faith Methodist Church, Ipoh, Malaysia
    FGA Centre – 10, Jalan Air Itam, Penang, Malaysia – 604-8286100 – First Assembly of God Church Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    First Baptist Church – Jalan Pantai (9/7), Selangor, Malaysia – 602 037575103
    Full Gospel Assembly, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Full Gospel Assembly – Taiping, Malaysia
    Full Gospel Church – 1a , Jln Anggerik 21, Tmn Johor Jaya 81100, Johor Bahru, Malaysia – 607 3540548 – Email
    Full Gospel Tabernacle Seremban, Malaysia
    Full Gospel Tabernacle, Malacca Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia
    Full Gospel Tabernacle, Seremban Seremban, Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia
    Gelugor Church of Christ – 28 (1st Floor), Jln Pekaka 1, Taman Pekaka. 11700, Gelugor, Penang, Malaysia – tel.: 04-659 9224 – Email
    Georgetown Baptist Church – 14 Jalan Larut, 10050 Penang, Malaysia – Tel. 04-2287110 / 2297757
    Gereja Grace Batu Pahat, Malaysia
    Gereja Praise, Johor Bahru, Malaysia
    Gereja Rivers Of Water Bukit Mertajam, Penang, Malaysia
    Glad Tidings Assembly of God, Petaling Jaya, Malaysia
    Glad Tidings Petaling Jaya Selangor, Malaysia
    Glad Tidings PJ Youth Church Selangor, Malaysia
    Gloria Methodist Church Bintulu, Sarawak, Malaysia – Chinese
    Glory Christian Centre, Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
    Gospel Assembly of God Petaling Jaya, Malaysia
    Grace Community Church – A59, Ground Flr, Lebuh Fairuz 1, Taman Perusahaan Ringan Bakar Arang, 08000 Sg. Petani, Kedah – 604-4238479
    Grace Methodist Church, Ipoh, Malaysia
    Harvest Christian Centre Penang, Malaysia
    His Sanctuary of Glory – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Holy Light (English) Church Johor Baru, Malaysia
    Hosanna Praise Assembly
    Ipoh Church of Christ – 46 Lintasan Perajurit 6, Ipoh Garden East, 31400 Ipoh, Malaysia. Email
    Ipoh Evangelical Free Church – Ipoh Gardens East, Ipoh, Malaysia – telephone: 012-4514040
    Kajang Assembly of God Selangor – 52 Jalan Timur Kajang, Selangor, Malaysia – 603 8736 1890
    Kepong Chinese Methodist Church – Kepong, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia –
    Kingdom Harvest Church Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Klang Church of Christ – 11 Jalan Teluk Pulai, 41100, Klang, Selangor, Malaysia – tel.: 03-3372 1658 – Email
    KL Church of Christ – 79 Jalan Perhentian, Off Jalan Ipoh, 51100, Sentul, Kuala Lumpur – tel.: 03-40416413 Email
    Kuala Lumpur Baptist Church KL, Malaysia
    Kuchai Christian Church, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Kuching Church of Christ – 36 Jln Bamfylde, 93200 – Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia – 082-414546 Email
    Kulai Vision Church – 51 Jalan Serunai, Taman Sri Kulai Baru 2, 81000, Kulai Johor, Malaysia – tel.: 07-6636063
    Labuan Methodist Church
    Logos Community Presbyterian Preaching Station Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Logos Presbyterian Church Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – Chinese
    Malacca Church of Christ – 98, Jalan Laksamana 5, Taman Kota Laksamana, 75200, Malacca, Malaysia – 06-283 5385 – Email
    Mega Chinese Methodist Church – 2, Jln PJU 5/16, Dataran Sunway, Kota Damansara, Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia. tel.: 603 – 6157 9711
    Miri Gospel Chapel
    Miri Gospel Chapel – (Chinese version)
    Muk En Methodist Church, KL
    New Dawn Klang Valley, Malaysia
    Parish of St. Paul’s (Anglican), Petaling Jaya, Malaysia
    PCC College Link Penang, Malaysia
    Penang Baptist Church – Penang, Malaysia – Chinese – 60 4228 9161
    Penang Christian Centre Penang, Malaysia
    People’s Park Baptist Church – 14 Jln SS 4D/14, 47301 Petaling Jaya, Selangor – 603 7803 0108 Email
    PJ Church of Christ – 7 Jalan 5/31 A, 46000, Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia – tel.: 03-7957 9296 – Email
    Petaling Jaya Evangelism Centre – PJ, Malaysia
    Prai Baptist Church
    Praise City Church – No. 5, Jalan 1/118C, Desa Tun Razak Industrial Park, 56000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Email
    Praise City Church Malacca, Malaysia
    Reservoir Garden Baptist Church, Penang, Malaysia
    River of Life Sanctuary – 10th Floor Menara TKSS, 206 Jalan Segambut, 51200 Kuala Lumpur – tel.: 603-6250 8188 – Email
    Sarawak Methodist Church – Chinese
    Seremban Church of Christ – 318 Jln Manickavasagam, 70200 – Seremban, Negri Sembilan, Malaysia – tel.: 019-345 0083 – Email
    Sharon Fellowship Centre – 1893, (Upstairs) BSS 2/1C, Bandar Seremban Selatan, Sungai Gadut, NS, Malaysia
    Sidang Injil Borneo Church – Malay
    Sidang Injil Borneo Olive Garden Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia
    Sidang Injil Borneo, Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
    Skudai Agape Lutheran Church – 19A, Jalan Impian Emas 6, Taman Impian Emas, Skudai 81300 Johor Bahru, Malaysia – tel. 006019 779 9513 – Email
    Skudai Bethel Christian Fellowship JB, Malaysia
    Sri Tanjung Baptist Church, Tawau, Sabah, Malaysia – Chinese
    St. Andrew’s Church (Anglican) – 12-B Mezzanine Floor, Jalan Engku Pengiran Anom 2, 20300 Kuala Terengganu – Email
    St. Andrews Presbyterian Church – The International Church of Kuala Lumpur
    St Christopher’s Church – Johor Bahru, Malaysia
    St George’s Church, Penang, Malaysia
    Sungai Petani Chinese Methodist Church / Kedah, Malaysia
    Sungei Way – Subang Methodist Church
    Tabernacle of David – Malaysia
    Tamil Methodist Church – Jalan Kubu, Malacca, Malaysia – Tel. 06 232 5310
    The Salvation Army – Singapore / Malaysia / Myanmar
    Trinity Methodist Church – 16 Jalan Masjid, Negeri, Penang, Malaysia – Tel. 604 828 7443
    Trinity Methodist Church, Petaling Jaya, Malaysia
    Trinity Methodist Church – Sitiawan, Perak, Malaysia – Chinese
    Triumphant Christian Centre – Rawang, Selangor, Malaysia
    Varsity Gospel Centre – Chinese GB
    Vineyard Baptist Church – Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia – Chinese
    Vineyard Community Church – 35 B Medan Angsana, Bandar Baru Air Itam, Penang, Malaysia – Email
    Wesley Methodist Church – Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
    Wesley Methodist Church – Ipoh, Malaysia
    Wesley Methodist Church – Penang, Malaysia
    Yong Peng Church of Christ – 29 (1st Flr.) Jln Cahaya Baru 1, Tmn BCB, 83700 – Yong Peng, Johor, Malaysia – tel.: 012-717 2780 –

    So theresaj and your friend, try again, next time with credibile reality.

    I know there are issues, there are radicals in fall formats. Malaysia, like Morocco accepts the exisiting population’s religous rights but it outlaws prosthelitizing and thus any of the above groups that are trying to convert Muslims OR Hindus into Christianity are punished.

    1. ” But does one leader represent the whole?”

      Yes he does. Did Hitler represent Nazi Germany? Of course he does. Does Gaddafi represent Libya? Yes he does. Does Ahmadinejad represent Iran? Of course he does. Do Mohammedan leaders and clerics represent Mohammedanism? They sure do.

      And what do you represent, Solkie? You speak for all the moslem trolls in the world?

      No, we are not fighting a war “against radicals”, because Islam is at war with the world since its inception because of Muhammad, the Koran and the hadith.
      And while there might be radicals in other religions, they don’t have a divine mandate to kill and die for their religion until the world is Ahmish, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish or Christian.

  14. To show you that of course not all is perfect, and as I said there are issues, it almost always has to do with radicalism, not state sponsored abuse.

    Here is an interesting letter from a Christian Leader in Malaysia about a “problem”.

    The Christian Federation of Malaysia deeply regrets the surreptitious manner in which information was gathered for, and the publication by the magazine Al Islam of, the article entitled “Tinjauan Al Islam Dalam Gereja: Mencari Kesahihan Remaja Murtad” in its May 2009 edition where the “investigators” took it upon themselves to be “undercover spies and policemen”.

    Firstly it is not proper or acceptable for adherents of one religion to spy on worshippers of another. Matters of faith and belief are personal, and it should not be the case that citizens of Malaysia should be made to live in fear of professing and practising the religion of their own free choice in public. Regrettably the interpretation/existence of certain laws, customs, practices and teachings in Malaysia has bred a type of religious imperialism, intolerance, intemperance and illegality which is unhealthy and unhelpful in the development of a truly multi-racial, multi-cultural and multi-religious society where everyone is able to profess and practice their own faith free from the interference of the authorities, whether civil or religious.

    Secondly, no right-thinking publication and editor should have stooped so low so as to condone, let alone permit, this so-called investigative piece of journalism (if the article can even be called that) to be published. The authors of this article clearly failed in their stated aim as described in their chosen title – to seek the truth about Muslim youths who had converted to Christianity. It should have ended there. That it went further, and led to the actual publication of the article and the proud disclosure of acts which can only be described as religious desecration (by the illicit and wrongful participation in the rite of Holy Communion of Christians without understanding its meaning and consequences), only goes to reveal the moral, ethical and journalistic bankruptcy of the editors of this publication. The sacrilegious behaviour of the authors simply breached all standards of common decency. All God-fearing and peace-loving Malaysians, regardless of their faith traditions, should rightly distance themselves from such conduct.

    Thirdly, Christianity has nothing to hide. If people indeed seek the truth, if they are curious about what Christianity is all about, what Christians do, what Christians believe, they need only ask. If they sincerely wish to learn, we welcome them with open and loving arms, as we do people of all faiths, or of none, into our churches and seminaries to learn more about Christianity. There is no need to snoop or to spy. Doing so is merely going about things the wrong way.

    Finally, we trust that the authorities will do the right thing and take the necessary action to correct the wrong that has been done.

    The Rt. Revd. Ng Moon Hing
    Chairman, Executive Committee
    Christian Federation of Malaysia

    17th July 2009

    1. So a priest is objecting to state sponsored spying by people like yourself, Solker?

      And he still has the religious freedom to object to it without being imprisoned? Hmm.

  15. “Yes he does. Did Hitler represent Nazi Germany? Of course he does. Does Gaddafi represent Libya? Yes he does. Does Ahmadinejad represent Iran? Of course he does. Do Mohammedan leaders and clerics represent Mohammedanism? They sure do. ”

    That is sad blog-owner to think that you think leaders represent all.

    So lets go to it logically. Did Hitler represent the mindset of all Germans? But he did have political sway.
    Does Gaddafi represent the views of all Libyans? I doubt that but he is in charge. Do you think that they will celebrate if he gets overthrown?
    Does Ahmadinejad represent Iran, he is their leader by political system but does he represent the Iranian Mindset?

    This is your problem, the easy simple anwser to complex issues.

    Mahatir represented Malaysia as a leader and it is clear that trying to get rid of him even by political correct methods resulted into loss.

    But he is gone now and almost forgotten, so he does not represent Malaysia then or now in the reality of people.

    So basically your argument is a failure.

    Just like your assumption that Islam has been at war since conception is a failure. Just as much as saying there is a divine mandate to kill but there certainly is a divine mandate/instruction to defend your religion. As for your throwing in Ahmish, that is rather pathetic, but there are zealots in Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity that will kill. I have seen first hand the ultra-orthodox settlers who will and do plan to kill for a greater Isreal. Are you one?

  16. “And he still has the religious freedom to object to it without being imprisoned? Hmm.”
    Yep, he has, but of course theresaj will disagree and make up something and you will support it.

  17. Mahatir was a dictator not a leader..he has not been forgotten..his family and friends plus his poltical party are still very influentual. And all the people who disappeared during his regime have still not been accounted for. Since he stepped down , radicals muslims have gained influence replacing , one evil with another.

  18. No, it is yourself that is tying into knots, I point out that Fitzgerald has no value and his claims that in 1974 the invasion of Cyprus was Jihad is more than laughable considering the Turkish military machine is about as anti-religious and a staunch bastion of secularlism is not just laughable but exactly why academia considers him a joke. Add to that in 1974 the secular military were in control of the government by Coup and they even arrested Imams and other clerics to ensure no religous sentiment existed.

    No, the incorrect logic, like on this thread when you think that Mahatir was the bastion of Islam and represented the mindset of the average Muslim Malay is similar in rubbish-logic and you embarassed yourself when you made that claim, like Gaddafi or the Iranian President. You obviously do not know your international politics let alone your flawed knowledge of history.

  19. theresaj, which one of the 100 plus churches above looks like a factory and has no right to be called a church and is built before independance or is that subject now to embarassing to continue.

    I agree, Mahatir was more of a dictator than anything else, there are those that are missing and he imprisoned on false charges many people including someone I know and respect, if not admire, Anwar Ibrahim.

    As for radicals getting into power, no. The current PM knows his party’s days are numbered and he is trying to legitimize himself and his party and they will soon enough lose power and Ibrahim will probably take over and there will be a big change. He is a very strong conservative but also a pan-Malaysian patriot who has the support of many in the Hindu, Christian and Buddhist populations.

    Theresaj, your knowledge of the reality in Malaysia is very bad and your continuing is only going to embarass yourself even more. What is your problem, it was your living in Malaysia amongst or next to some radicals that screwed you up badly?

  20. Solkhar,
    Your knowledge of Malysia is very limited. I lived there for years . You have visited a few times as a tourist. I am sure other readers know whose comments carry the most weight.
    And as for being screwed up….. I don’t think I am winning that competition.

  21. Solkhar ,
    I can’t really be bothered to respond to all your points..I have things to do. Some of the things you attribute to me were actually written by TJwork.
    I just saw a BBC report about the big increase in suicides in Malaysia. Suicide is increasing rapidly amongst the muslims. The police and other authorities are very worried. The police are suggesting that anyone who attempts suicide be imprisoned where they would be given counselling.
    I can understand non muslims committing suicide but I cannot understand muslims in Malaysia doing it.

  22. Theresaj,the suicide among the muzz in malaysia are the fault of the Jew and Israel…everybody knows that,ask to sucky.It is Well Known….

  23. theresaj, you still did not answer the point which gives the credibility, your comments about churches was complete BS and I have shown and proven it, you do not think the world’s churches both collectively and individually would not have created a major scene over it, but no, we must take your word and not simple evidence.

    Yes, some of the BS came from tjwork and I regret the confusion on that point.

    I would point out one more thing, I lived in Jakarta in our Embassy there for two years, so now have been a regular visitor with long-lasting friends and contacts (both professional and social and from all spectrums) since 1985. I think after 24 years I can say that I obviously know more about the place than you, who have lived there and still get it wrong, have had a bad experience and confessed on a thread is the reason why you have chosen bigotry.

    So, tell us again about the churches?

  24. No comment on all the muslims committing suicide then? Great place huh?
    How many churches have been built in the past ten years? and are they called churches?

  25. Solk,
    Is there any place you haven’t lived in , worked in..any disasters you haven’t had friends die in? You seem to have lived multiple lives…Where did you do your chefs training?

  26. Malaysian “rights group” leader warns Christians not to “test patience” of Muslims by making “excessive demands” like wanting Malay-language Bibles

    Know your place, kafir dhimmies!

    Predictably, the Malaysian government’s partial backtracking on its Islamic supremacist restrictions on the right of access to and distribution of Bibles was indeed not the last word we would hear on this issue. The dispute has dragged on for years, particularly over the issue of Malay-speaking Christians’ use of the Malay word for “God,” which is the Arabic loanword “Allah,” and they have used it for centuries.

    Qur’an 29:46 does say “our Allah and your Allah are one and to Him we surrender,” but is a one-way line of discourse for Islamic proselytizing, claiming the authentic worship of the one, true deity for Islam alone. An unbeliever would be forbidden to argue with a Muslim in that manner. And depriving Christians of the right to call upon God in the name they have always used is a particularly devastating way of ensuring they “feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29) and a way of further marginalizing them in society by being able to say, “See? They don’t worship Allah!”

    The “reasonableness” of the demands of a marginalized group, as Christians are in this Muslim-majority nation, is in the eye of the overlord beholder. “Unreasonable” becomes translatable as “Frankly, we don’t have to, and don’t you dare ask us again.”

    “Don’t test patience of Malays, Perkasa warns Christians,” by Shazwan Mustafa Kamal for Malaysian Insider, April 11 (thanks to Jihad Watch):

    KUALA LUMPUR, April 10 — Christians should be wary of making unreasonable demands such as asking that bibles be printed in Bahasa Malaysia, Perkasa chief Datuk Ibrahim Ali said today.
    The Malay rights group president said that Malays have been patient for “far too long” and have allowed non-Malays to make excessive demands.
    “How many Malays are Christian? Why do you have to have bibles in Bahasa? Why not use bahasa Iban, or Kadazan?
    “This is a problem of national security … we (Malays) have been far too giving, I want to remind them to not be excessive in their demands,” said Ibrahim.
    “They are not the majority of the country,” he stressed.
    He said it, in so many words: Non-Muslim minority rights are to be at the mercy of the Muslim majority.

    The Pasir Mas MP said that the reason why the Christian community were making demands now was because Sarawak elections were underway.
    “They are taking advantage of the elections, they raise these things and we cannot object … they are trying to exploit sensitive issues,” added Ibrahim.
    “We have not brought up the issue of our rights,” he said.
    Christian groups have been locked in a dispute with the government over the usage of Malay language bibles, or Alkitab, and over the 35,000 new copies that have been impounded in Kuching and Port Klang by the home ministry.
    The ministry then allowed the bibles to be released on condition of being stamped with serial numbers and the phrase “For Christians only”. Christian groups had initially refused to abide by these conditions and have not collected the copies.
    The Najib administration said yesterday that the Malay bible importers have now agreed to collect the 35,000 copies impounded in Port Klang and Kuching.
    However, the importers of the books in Port Klang have said the bibles will not be sold or distributed, but will be preserved as museum pieces to illustrate what Christians have called the “defacement” of their holy book.
    Home Ministry secretary-general Datuk Seri Mahmood Adam said the 10-point solution proposed last week had “paved the way” for the importers, Bible Society of Malaysia (BSM) and The Gideons, to collect the books.
    Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein himself had also been quoted as saying that the latest move was a “positive response” to the Cabinet’s collective decision in drawing up the 10-point solution.

  27. Malaysian Islamic supremacist rally concludes; rally chairman says there’s a massive plot by Christians and Zionists to destroy Islam

    The government-sanctioned Islamic supremacist confab ‘Gathering of a Million Faithful’ has concluded, having been approximately 995,000 short of its goal of having one million believers in attendance. Event organizers have repeatedly demonstrated an amazing mix of denial, self-deception, false victimization and conspiracy theory paranoia. For Islam’s believers, such a toxic brew of thinking (if one can call it that) is par for the course, and dangerous to everyone as it can be used to justify any amount of oppression and violence. Following up on this story; “Apostasy worse than reported, claims Himpun,” by By Yow Hong Chieh, The Malaysian Insider, 22 October 2011:
    SHAH ALAM, Oct 22 — Himpunan Sejuta Umat [‘Gathering of a Million Faithful’] said today the problem of Muslim apostasy in Malaysia was greater than what has been reported and suggested this was part of a global plan to destroy Islam.

    ‘Million person’ Malaysian Muslim ‘Himpun’ rally underway
    Considerably fewer than one million people have showed up to the so-called ‘Gathering of a Million Faithful’ — only about 5,000 are reported to be in attendance. No word if the organizers intend to give their event a more accurate name; I suppose a more accurate moniker such as ‘Gathering of Five Thousand Faithful ‘ would have a lot less panache. Those in attendance include at least one local politician, Hassan Ali, who is noteworthy for having steadfastly defended the religious police raid on a Christian church in the Kuala Lumpur area in August, as well as the leader of a Malaysian jihadist and Muslim supremacist group called Perkasa (Malay for ‘power’ or ‘strength’). Of course, event organizers had no problem obtaining a government permit for their rally; quite unlike another non Muslim Malaysian group earlier this year that tried (and failed) to obtain government permission to have a public event. “Himpun gets underway at Shah Alam Stadium,” The Star, 22 October 2011:

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