Moslem or Mohammedan?

Muslim or Muhammedan? Our forefathers knew what they were, what to call them and how to deal with them. Winston Churchill’s famous quote “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!” should be learned  by heart by every third-grader in school and should serve as a daily reminder not to give an inch when dealing with adherents of this cunning, deceitful and destructive creed.

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You are a Muhammedan. You worship not just Allah, but Mohammed with him – that’s what the Shahada calls out.

Not to overlook the following verses from your Mein Kampf, er Quran:

If you love Allah then follow Muhammad and Allah will forgive your sins…3:31
Muhammad is the only person to be obeyed or followed blindly…3:32
Obeying Allah and Muhammad (i.e., his examples) is mandatory…3:132

Whoever obeys Allah and Muhammad is guaranteed Paradise…4:13
Obeying Muhammad is obeying Allah…4:80
Muslims must follow only what has been revealed to Muhammad…5:48
Rejecting Muhammad is rejecting Allah’s revelations (Qur’an)…6:33
Provisions (rules and examples) set by Allah and Muhammad is binding to all Muslims: there are no alternatives…33:36
Allah has made Muhammad an excellent example for the believers to follow…33:21
Obeying Allah and the apostle (Muhammad) is the highest achievement…33:71
The believers must obey Allah and Muhammad lest Allah nullifies their works…47:33
Pledging allegiance to Muhammad is pledging allegiance to Allah…48:10
Allah has prepared a blazing fire for those who reject Allah and his apostle Muhammad…48:13
Islam means submission or surrender; the believers must submit to Allah and Muhammad…49:14
Those who reject Allah and His messenger (Muhammad) will be reduced to dust…58:5

To be added to your Islamic Dictionary:

  • Shiite, Shi’ite, Shiite Muslim, Shi’ite Muslim — a member of the branch of Islam that regards Ali as the legitimate successor to Mohammed and rejects the first three caliphs
  • Sunnite, Sunni — a member of the branch of Islam that accepts the first four caliphs as rightful successors to Mohammed
  • Moor — one of the Muslim people of Africa; of mixed Arab and Berber descent; converted to Islam in the 8th century; conquerors of Spain in the 8th century
  • begum — a Muslim woman of high rank in India or Pakistan
  • Berber — a member of a Caucasoid Muslim people of northern Africa
  • caliph, calif, kaliph, kalif, khalif — the civil and religious leader of a Muslim state; a successor of Muhammad
  • fakir, fakeer, faqir, faquir — a Muslim or Hindu mendicant monk who is regarded as a holy man
  • imam, imaum — (Islam) the man who leads prayers in a mosque
  • Mullah, Mollah, Mulla — a Muslim trained in the doctrine and law of Islam; the head of a mosque
  • Saracen — (historically) a Muslim who opposed the crusades
  • Fatima, Fatimah — youngest daughter of the prophet Mohammed and wife of the fourth calif Ali; revered especially by Shiite Muslims (606-632)

More coming, stay tuned

28 thoughts on “Moslem or Mohammedan?”

  1. Complete propoganda BS.

    “You are a Muhammedan. You worship not just Allah, but Mohammed with him – that’s what the Shahada calls out.”

    No, it does not and a 2nd grader is able to understand this.

    “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is His Messenger”.

    English is not my first language but that for me is clear. Mohammed is God’s Prophet. We worship God, not the Prophet.

    In fact, it is such a serious issue in Islam, that one of the major criticisms of Christianity is that many Christians pray to the Prophet Jesus (Issa) and even to his mother Mary (Mirriam). These acts for Muslims are considered blasphemy, and the same rule applies to Mohammed, we do not pray to Him, but we do pray for Him (and Issa, Abraham, and so on).

    The entire argument of this thread is nothing but a joke. Also, if the argument is used that Churchill said Mohamedanism, that is easily answered, it was because he used the common term that was used by mistaken (by error or purpose) by Europeans for a long time. IE he was taught and heard the term. If he was a modern politician, he would have used a different term AND since he was a stickler on correct language and pronounciations, he would have not just used the world Muslim and Islam but also changed his spelling to ensure he wrote correctly “Qur’an”. In fact he may have even said al’Qur’an.

    Some added information and corrections to the dictionary to better inform readers:

    Sunnite, Sunni — a member of the branch of Islam that accepts “only” the first four caliphs as rightful successors to Mohammed.

    Moor — one of the Muslim people of Africa; of mixed Arab and Berber descent; converted to Islam in the “early” 8th century; conquerors of “the southern Iberian peninsular from the 8th to 16th century.

    Saracen – the nomadic people of the Syrian-Arabian deserts, stemming from the arabic word “al-sar’q” or (of the sunrise). Sometimes, Europeans used the world to generically mean those Arabs fighting against the Crusaders.

    1. Solkar, if Mohammedans don’t worship Mohammed, then why do they kill and get killed for him?

      In the words of Abu Laban, the execrable Danish imam who instigated the cartoon riots: “we love our prophet more than our wives and kids and more than we love ourselfes..”

      If that is not Mohammed worship, what is? What do you call people who go apeshit over a torn Koran or a perceived insult of the profit or the Koran? Koranimals?

  2. Hi Sheik,

    Is it true that the verse to become a muslim had been changed after muhammad died?

    Some document sin syria from a christian monk that became a muslim after meeting muhammad mentioned that the shahadat was:

    “Theres is no god but allah”

    Then badabim badaboom, you are a muslim.

    My question is, Did the verse “muhammad is my prophet” annexed after he died or when he was alive?

    It would make sense that the syrian monk was correct and as muhammad dies, disunity was in array, causing others to claim themselves as prophet of islam.

    However, the annexed verse seemed to solve that problem conveniently doesn’t it?

  3. sheik first of all I AM A MUSLIM ,,,, !! am not much of a religious guy but come on dude grow some brains am like WTF after what solkhar just posted u just acted as if he didn’t burn the living hell out of your credibility i mean what are we 3rd graders u actually know he is right and that the shahaadatain doesn’t say what you wrote , but instead of actually being a man of at least some kind of intelligence and education whatsoever you tried to to get off by asking a stupid question .. so its either you never went to college and actually had to debate something or you’re just to stupid or the 3rd choice which is my all time favorite is that you just hate islam and dont really care about right or wrong or the moral issues and ethics that you should have when you write anything online so next time just google whatever you want, no need for you to actually use your brains ,,,,,,,,, plus dude try to actually add references to each thread if you have any !!!
    PEACE

  4. * Mohammed is God’s Prophet. We worship God, not the Prophet.

    Blasphemy, Solkhar. Mo is a false prophet – a sockpuppet of satan.
    You do not worship God, you worship a usurper who has a place
    prepared for him and his fallen angels – the lake of fire.

    Stick to being a food critic, Solkhar.

  5. * In fact, it is such a serious issue in Islam, that one of the major criticisms of Christianity is that many Christians pray to the Prophet Jesus (Issa)

    For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men–the testimony given in its proper time. (1 Timothy 2:5)

    No amount of spin and blasphemy can change the Truth, Solkhar;
    1.x billion muslims and you are impotent against it. Give it up!

  6. They not only worship mohammed (who committed shirk quite often by placing himself side by side with their god, allah – but they worship that black stone.

    I read an article on faithfreedom.org that they think it has consciousness and will ‘speak’ for them on Judgement day. And they way they carry on in its presence is worship. The only thing I can figure out why mohammed made them cover up when they are doing their hajj (the pagans used to do it in the nude) is that mohammed didn’t like seeing ugly women, or ugly men, in the nude. And/or maybe in his quest to become more Jewish, he had them cover up. Who knows. He was such a sexual pervert you would think he would like to see them all naked.

    And let us not forget the koran – their behavior also shows us they worship it. They kill for it and their god didn’t even care if goats ate part of it and made goat pellets out of it!! (I applaud those goats.) Their god didn’t care that mohammed couldn’t read or write – if it was so vital why did allah pick a loser? Or was the important part that mohammed could kill, and do other despicable things for his god, allah?!

    Yep, muslims worship quite a number of things – and then they are oh, so willing to kill us Christians who they call polytheists just because they don’t want to do one of two things – let others just believe in what they want to believe in, or because they don’t understand, nor do they even try. Of course, they can’t because they don’t read the Bible and instead only read the distorted stories in the koran, or listen to what some half-baked cleric tells them. The koran says to read the Bible – Quran 10:94 – but they don’t.

  7. Mohammad INVENTED the Islamic CULT and also made up the Krap Kran so why do you think it tells people to LOVE and OBEY his messenger Mohammad of course and why is ONLY Mohammad allowed to screw as many women and CHILDREN as he wants including his adopted SON’s wife when other Mohammedans are limited to only four wives ? In fact his CHILD Bride Aisha on hearing how allah suddenly made adoption haram and thus his SON’S wife halal for the pervert commented ‘ Its strange how allah rushes to fulfill your wishes’ she had the paedophile pervert Mohammad’s number all right.

  8. Solkhar:

    “if the argument is used that Churchill said Mohamedanism, that is easily answered” – it is, indeed. But not with your crude and simplistic intellect.

    Churchill knew his Mohammedans better than they knew themselves. You obviously need to do some close reading, solker. Take your time, read the whole quote with understanding, come to grasp with the fact that Churchill lived amongst them, fought with them (and against them) and learned everything he needed to know about them. Not so different from myself.

    Churchill had a very clear understanding of Mohammedanism. If he was in charge of Britain today there wouldn’t be any of its adherents or a mosque in sight. You can take that to your Islamic bank.

  9. mike, sheik first of all I AM A MUSLIM ,,,,
    You mean you are Stupid or very Moron…..I don’t know,i want to know.
    And a muzz with a name like Mike thats just don’t exist,Sorry.

  10. MY point is the whole subject of this thread was proven wrong and even sheik acknowledged that by not denying what solkhar…. therefore you people are commenting on something that doesnt exist … 2nd of all dude am a 2nd generation canadian muslim and proud of it !

  11. The ‘Allah’ that Mohammadans (ie followers of Mohammad) worship dwells not in paradise but in hell, according to the Koran. Apparently he is in hell to torture the inhabitants of hell because this is what he enjoys doing. Moslems are told that in paradise they never actually get to meet him or talk to him ‘coz he just isn’t there.

    Hell is, of course, by definition the one place that God cannot be and it was created for the devil and his angels. A pretty good clue of who the Mohammadans ‘Allah’ is and the identity of the angel was that inspired Mohammad and his followers to commit the daily atrocities and evil, violent and bestial acts that many of them do.

  12. Islam can be seen as (even proven to be a) a personality cult of Mohamed. Similarly, personality cults of Stalin, Hitler and Kim Jong Il and his father Kim Il-Song. These were harbingers of “good news” (pardon the pun) and ultimate worriers (fighters).

  13. Obfustication

    “Feigned outrage used in a thinly veiled attempt to cloud the real issue rather than even acknowledging it.”

    EVERY response I see from Muslims falls under this definition. Any time some non Muslim points out the fact Muslims themselves are using the Koran to justify their barbarbic behavior in Jihad, or when a Muslim simply quotes the Koran proclaiming Jihad is the duty of every obedient Muslim…you get this fake outrage against the non Muslim pointing these facts out, with cries of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia etc…

    Not every Muslim is a Jihadist despite the fact Muhammad commanded every Muslim to do their duty to terrorize un submissive infidels in Jihad.

    In my opinion we have to drive this point home until it becomes common knowledge among all civilizations, among all peoples. Robert Spencer’s book Why Christianity is a religion of peace and Islam isn’t brilliantly exposes this point for any reader to clearly see. Islam is inherently violent & destructive to all nations who cherish freedom because doctrinely Islam carries the seed of Jihad with it wherever Muslim go in masses. Despite failures of some Christian influenced rule to maintain Biblical principles & morality, Christian influenced Republics will always gravitate towards freedom for the people & peaceful harmony…because the influence of Biblical principles allows it manifest. The concept of Democracy & Republic style governmental rule is at odds with Islam from it’s very core and will never be a compatible co-existence…either one will have to dominate & crush the other’s authority and power. As long as people reject Islam there will Jihad terrorism, simply because it as much a part of the Islam as any other doctrine. I’m really getting tired of this ignorant “war on terror” concept that fights the fruit of Islam, yet ignores the source of the terror, which is the doctrine of Islamic Jihad…its like complaining about hornets stinging your children in the backyard, yet protecting their nest hanging on the back porch, claiming “oh but they are really mostly peaceful, they just are mad about us disturbing them every time we use the porch”. Well….duh, sooner o later the rest of the free world has to come to the understanding Islam itself is the problem and not just “some fanatics & radicals” taking the ideology too far. Jihad is the way of the truly obedient Mulism, period.

  14. So far all I have seen is a lot of posturing with no product. With all appreciation to what Mike was trying to say, the blog-owner and his fellow miscrients are only trying to do the old-fashioned “drowning out” because there is no value in there words.

    I find rather foolish statements like from the Blog-owner that Churchill knew Muslims better than themselves, speaking of personality cults. Churchill was a great leader, a very intelligent man and self-admittingly a man of “his era”. He admitted in two of his books (I collect Churchill’s books) that he certainly was ignoran of a great many things and even regretted his staying on too-long in politics because he was no longer representing the England he thought of. He also once said to the then young Queen Elizabeth that I know politics, I know how to run the Nation, but also remember that “I am a man whom prefers the company of my own bathtub and bathroble”.

    “revparadigm” is certainly wrong with his assumption that “Not every Muslim is a Jihadist despite the fact Muhammad commanded every Muslim to do their duty to terrorize un submissive infidels in Jihad.” and it is just another repetition of the blind and bigotted words of Robert Spencer as if that is of any value. Though I have shown how wrong those are, and the fact that no-one in the academic world considers his texts of value, the reality is people of agenda are just simply going to repeat them ad nauseum for the sake of it. His claim that “you get this fake outrage against the non Muslim pointing these facts out, with cries of racism, bigotry, Islamophobia” is not entirely correct. There is no issue to argue that there are Muslims claiming all sorts of religous justifications and it is not this that outrages Muslims when done, that is not bigotry. It is when the accussation gives basic BS that it is an integral part of Islam or the like.

    The most important and classic point about this blog is that it is self-admittingly based on satir that includes outrageous quotes (including Spencer) and that I would not give it a mintute’s value except that it is bigoted.

  15. * I would not give it a mintute’s value except that it is bigoted.

    Got a mirror, Solkhar – a bigoted snitch will peer back, if you look in.

  16. * Here are some tips on how not to get caught with malevolent detractors

    Solkhar plays it by the numbers – follow the bouncing ball, like an old
    Merrie Melody singalong.

  17. ““revparadigm” is certainly wrong with his assumption that “Not every Muslim is a Jihadist despite the fact Muhammad commanded every Muslim to do their duty to terrorize un submissive infidels in Jihad.” and it is just another repetition of the blind and bigotted words of Robert Spencer as if that is of any value.”

    Wow this is just wayyy too easy to respond to.

    Qur’an:2:216
    “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

    Qur’an:4:95
    “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”

    Qur’an:33:22
    “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”

    Qur’an:9:111
    “Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah’s Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed.”

    Okay, Solkar…I think you better retract or just remain utterly ignorant [on purpose maybe?]

  18. (revparadigm)
    Qur’an:9:111
    “Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah’s Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed.”

    No, RP, I can’t believe that! You must be following some agenda-based hate campaign agains … hmmm, what does mine say,
    I wonder?

    9:111 “Allah has purchased of the faithful their lives and worldly
    goods and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight
    for his cause, slay, and be slain”.

    Surely not! Some agenda-driven right-wing blog-owner must have
    tampered with the texts! Robert Spencer & Geert Wilders have
    their evil fingerprints all over this!

    I wonder what an equivalent Biblical verse might read, given the
    expert testimony of Solkhar that the Biblical books have been
    corrupted by men …

    How about Ephesians 6:12 – let’s see what a “corrupted” verse says:

    “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.”

    Amazing how “corrupted” the Bible is – almost as if it was authored
    by a different God from that in the koran!

    Here am I, thinking that I have found Truth in Jesus Christ, when
    all along there was “allah”, calling me to kill and be killed for him in
    the hope of going to paradise.

    I’ll stick with Jesus Christ, thanks Solkhar.

  19. 1) Jihad does not just mean holy war.
    Only by pretending it does, do you have any point. It’s translation is Struggle, with the “Greater Jihad” being explicitly defined as personal struggles with sin and “Lesser Jihad” explicitly defined as warfare.

    This is throughout the theology.

    2) All quotes presented in the original Blog, do not state to Worship Mohammed.
    For example:
    Do you Worship the commandments alongside God? No.
    Do you Obey them? Yes.
    Therefore Obey does not equate to Worship.

    Lets go further. Does the Bible say to worship your parents alongside God? No.
    Does it say to Obey them? Yes. (Romans 1:30)

    Clearly, by your standards, or by my standards, or by any standards, you have said one thing, and provided quotes which do not support your position. You are claiming Obey and Worship are the same. You claim “Don’t reject” and “Worship” are the same.

    Some of the quotes are even directly equatable to Biblical quotes. “don’t reject what is revealed to Mohammed” vs any line of “Obey the 10 commandments” are identical in meaning, yet you apply one rule for you, and another to your opposition.

    These quotes only provide comfort to those who already want to believe it, they offer no actual support of your point.

  20. * 1) Jihad does not just mean holy war.

    Nothing holy about jihad, islam, allah, the false prophet, or muslims.
    All are unholy and blasphemous. to pretend otherwise is to mock and
    blaspheme against God.

    * “don’t reject what is revealed to Mohammed”

    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Matthew 7:15)

  21. Playing on words, Omar, aren’t you? No matter how you interpret it or whichever way you look at it, facts my friend speak much louder than your silly rationale. But really, what is your point?

    I don’t think anyone on this site is interested in winning an argument on semantics. It is your whole belief system that is being scrutinized here.

    “By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?” These are the explicit words of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. Can it get any clearer than that? Take a close look around you. What do see and taste? Is it not the stench of death that you smell? And why do you suppose this is the case? I’ll use your line of reasoning to help you answer these questions: “Lesser Jihad” and “don’t reject what is revealed to Moe”.

    Good day, sir.

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