Jordan's plucky little king whines to Ha'aretz

Jordan King Says Unilateral Action Could Ignite Jerusalem ” Tinderbox”

Sheik yer’mami sez: no Arabs, no tinderbox….

Update: “Jerusalem Tense as Arab Leaders Visit Disputed Holy Site,” by Robert Berger for the Voice of America, October 7, JW

Jewish officials say Arab and Palestinian leaders are deliberately inciting violence during the Feast of Tabernacles. Elisha Peleg is a member of the Jerusalem City Council. “It is well organized,” Peleg alleges. “They know when to increase the riots and where to make the riots; and unfortunately, our neighbors do not like to see us very much celebrating and praying to our God.”

Perfectly in line with what Robert reminds us about restrictions on dhimmis here.

[08/10/2009 17:40]IMRA

MIDEAST JORDAN

Amman, Oct.8(Petra – Jordan news agency)

His Majesty King Abdullah demanded that Israel stop all unilateral actions that threaten holy sites in Jerusalem and the identity of the holy city. (Jerusalem is holy for Jews.  Since it is not mentioned once in the Koran,  it means nothing to Muslims/ed)

He warned that such actions threaten to destabilise not only Israel’s
relationship with Jordan, which has a special concern and role in Jerusalem
that is recognised in the peace treaty. (The Arabs have never honored any peace treaty, so Jordan can shove its ‘concerns’/ed)

It will also inflame the Islamic world and jeopardise efforts to re-launch
peace negotiations. (The “Islamic world” is inflamed since the 7th century. What’s different now?/ed) Continued below the fold…

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King Abdullah was speaking in an interview on Tuesday with Israel’s Haaretz
newspaper, excerpts of which were published today with the full interview to
be published tomorrow.

King Abdullah said that he had emphasised the sensitivity and sanctity of
Jerusalem with every Israeli prime minister, including Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu, and the American Administration.

The holy city should be a symbol of coexistence among the three monotheistic
religions, he added.

The King also stressed the need to end settlement activities.

When asked whether he supports building a wall in Jerusalem, King Abdullah
said he did not believe in walls and that walls eventually come down.

King Abdullah said the status quo cannot be perpetuated, because “we are
sliding back into the darkness”.

He said it was difficult to be hopeful for the region’s future without a
two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as part of a
comprehensive settlement between the Arab states and Israel.

“Because if there is no two-state solution, what future do we all have
together? Show me the future of Israel 10 years from now.

Where do you want Israel to be vis- -vis its relationship with Jordan and
other Arab countries?” he asked.

Israel should decide if it is going to be fortress Israel or is it going to
be part of the neighbourhood, he added.

The King was asked about Jordanian-Israeli ties, 15 years after the signing
of the peace treaty between the two countries.

He recalled the atmosphere that prevailed in 1994 and the promise of peace,
saying that “our relationship is getting colder.

” King Abdullah attributed the gap between the two countries to the failure
to achieve comprehensive peace and to realize a two-state solution to the
Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

15 thoughts on “Jordan's plucky little king whines to Ha'aretz”

  1. ” King Abdullah attributed the gap between the two countries to the failure to achieve comprehensive peace and to realize a two-state solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.”

    Gap? Jordan is Palestine you a**hole and you won’t do one ounce of your duty will you. Typical Arab. Pass all the responsibility on to the Jews.

  2. This is called ignorance: (Jerusalem is holy for Jews. Since it is not mentioned once in the Koran, it means nothing to Muslims/ed)… (The Arabs have never honored any peace treaty, so Jordan can shove its ‘concerns’/ed)…. The “Islamic world” is inflamed since the 7th century. What’s different now?/ed) Continued below the fold…
    Go learn more about jordan, Islam and each country in the arab world before you make these kind of statements

  3. Go right ahead, Sima.

    Prove me wrong. How many times is Jerusalem mentioned in the Koran? How many times did the Arabs honor a peace treaty? (The treaty of Hudaybiyah comes to mind) And who in his right mind would trust an Arab who’s religious belief teaches him that ‘war is deceit’ and that lying to unbelievers is fine?

  4. I am not denying that certain arab parties have on many occasions dishonored peace treaties. I am not talking about counting how many times the word jerusalem is wrotten in the Quran. I am talking about how you are generalizing.. When you say arabs, you are including many countries, many people with many different mentalities and beliefs, most of them do not agree with dishonoring peace treaties. When you say muslims, you should not only think of the extremist minorities. Do not generalise because it is incorrect. Al-Aqsa mosque is a significant holy place for muslims, regardless of what you might think. It is true. Ask any muslim.
    Now regarding peace treaties, Jordan has put tremendous effort into trying to accomplish peace. Looking at Late king hussain and king abdulla’s efforts. Do you think any arab country has tried to help accomplish peace between isreal’s and palistinians more than Jordan? If you think so, please let me know which country it is?? I think it is disrespectful to attack all arabs. Just like many parties in the western world do unacceptable action, which is unacceptable to the west. The same happens to the arabs. Do you think King abdulla for once encouraged the dishonoring of a peace treaty? I would love to know your answers.

  5. “Al-Aqsa mosque is a significant holy place for muslims, regardless of what you might think. It is true. Ask any muslim.”

    I am asking you, Sima: what is the significance of Jerusalem to Arab Muslims if it is not mentioned once in the Koran?

    “Jordan has put tremendous effort into trying to accomplish peace. Looking at Late king hussain and king abdulla’s efforts. “

    What efforts has he made? Has he not been paid by Israel and the US to keep the peace? Does that make him peaceful?

    Does that make Jordan Jew-friendly?

    ” I think it is disrespectful to attack all arabs”

    Really? I don’t respect any arabs. You know why, Sima? Because they don’t respect me. Because they think we the sons of apes and pigs, they think we are ‘things najis’, they think we are unbelievers who have to be killed, they teach their children that genocide of Jews is a ‘holy obligation’ because we are the ‘vilest of creatures’.

    There you go, Sima. You want more? We can read. We listen to your hate preachers. We understand what your goals are and what you have done over 1400 years of history.

    No. You have no claim to Jerusalem. You Moslems have no claim to any country that you have occupied and destroyed and forced to submit to what you call a religion. You create poverty, squalor, a mental deficiency and you degrade women to breeders for your cause.

    Islam is revolting. Islam is a curse on humanity.

  6. Hehehe… ok your revulsion and cursing is amusing. Here is what I have to say to you:
    I am a woman, I am Jordanian, I am an Arab and I am christian, many of the dearest to me are moslem, and have the same beliefs as me.

    Now I will answer each section by turn:
    (I am asking you, Sima: what is the significance of Jerusalem to Arab Muslims if it is not mentioned once in the Koran?)
    Ok.. let me see how I can put this.. How significant is the Vatican or the Pope to christians even though it is not mentioned in the bible?… does that make my point clear? Cant significance of a certain place to a certain religion exist without it being written down in the oldest script of the religion? I live in a moslem country, it does mean so much.. the mosque represents a significant part of the islamic history. You might think it is not significant, but how can you judge how significant it is to moslems if you are not a moslem yourself?

    Now regarding:

    What efforts has he made? He has been paid by Israel and the US to keep the peace. Does that make him peaceful? Does that make Jordan Jew-friendly?

    Ok how can I explain this… mmm.. ok try imagine the following.. you live in Jordan, a country bordering Iraq, Palestine/Isreal and Syria. Safety is a critical issue here considering that instability in the neighboring countries. Also considering the number of palistinian and iraqi refugees. That makes maintaining the stability and security of the country very difficult. Most of the refugees are psychologically wounded for having to leave their hometowns and accept less comfortable life conditions just to be able to live in a safe place. Naturally, their resentment will make jordan Jew non-friendly.
    I do not believe the king or the government are responsible for that. So thats about Jordan being Jew non-friendly. Now about the kings efforts. Regardless of what israel and US want, do you think the king does not want his country to be peaceful? his people to be safe? Ofcourse he does, thats one of the things that make him a good king. He cares about his country, his people more than anything else.
    So now, having imagined the scenario, do you think Jordan would be a safe country if the king himself did not make it a priority to maintain the safety and security of his country? I dont care what isreal or the US want.. i appreciate that the king has been able to make his people live in peace even though we are surrounded by unpeaceful countries. And I know that is not an easy task, but during my 24 years of living in Jordan, I have never felt that Jordan is insecure. So yes, the efforts might not be clearly documented by the western media.. but I live results of his efforts.

    Ok finally, regarding:
    Really? I don’t respect any arabs. You know why, Sima? Because they don’t respect me. Because they think we the sons of apes and pigs, they think we are ‘things najis’, they think we are unbelievers who have to be killed, they teach their children that genocide of Jews is a ‘holy obligation’ because we are the ‘vilest of creatures’.

    I am an Arab, I do respect you, I do respect every nation. I do not think you the son of an ape of a pig or a najis. I think you are a person, with a different mentality and different views and beliefs. I lose respect only if I believe that you, as a person, would act on hurting, discriminating or being unfair to another person, just because of his nationality or religion. Yes some arabs think like that, and I do not respect them either. Some westerners are like that and I dont not respect them too. You have to respect to gain respect. Until you, as a person, and not as a nation, prove that you are not worthy of respect, then I will disrespect you. Every person is different. Two people might be of the same religion and country but one is worthy of respect and one is not. So please, dont generalize. Respect and gain respect. Many americans, europeans, israelis and arabs are worthy of respect. Consider that for a second, it might be true..

    P.S. This person who tells you to your face, your the son of a pig or an ape or najis, and who teaches his children that genocide of Jews is a ‘holy obligation’ because we are the ‘vilest of creatures’.
    is not worthy of your respect. I wouldnt respect him either.. But can you please consider that those people may be a minority.. which happens to be focused on by the western media.. Come to Jordan, you might change your mind.

    1. Dear Sima,

      thank you for your well worded and considered response. It is quite rare that we get letters from such well educated and intelligent posters who show genuine concerns for what’s happening around us.

      Hehehe… ok your revulsion and cursing is amusing.

      It pleases me that you find my revulsion amusing. Since I didn’t do any cursing, I wonder why you accuse me falsely?

      ” How significant is the Vatican or the Pope to christians even though it is not mentioned in the bible?”

      The significance of the Pope and the Vatican is the essence of Catholicism. The Vatican is its centre. As far as I know they have about 2 billion reasons for it, but I don’t care because a.) they don’t bother me, b.) I’m not a Christian.

      Your attempt at tu quoque is noted, but doesn’t hold any water.

      ” I am an Arab and I am christian, many of the dearest to me are moslem, and have the same beliefs as me.”

      Hmm, not by any stretch of the imagination. Interesting however. So you are an Islamo-Christian? Like George Habash or Hannan Ashrawi? And you are telling me that dhimmitude is a non-issue in Jordan?

      ” Cant significance of a certain place to a certain religion exist without it being written down in the oldest script of the religion?”

      No. Mohammedanism is a doctrine of conquest and subjugation. You have built your mosques traditionally on top of razed Buddhist and Hindu temples, churches and synagogues. The possibility of a third temple, the existence of a thriving Judaism in the middle of Arab occupied lands questions and puts in doubt your whole belief system. Apart from that is of course the command that all the world belongs to Allah and that land, once conquered, must never be allowed to be re-conquered by the infidels. Anyhow: what is the meaning of ‘holy’ for you? In Islam, holy means the worship of Islam itself, that’s all that matters, and Islam must dominate, at any cost. The fanatical frenzy about ‘Al Quds’ was whipped up by the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al Husseini who revived the myth of Jerusalem as the third holiest Muslim City in order to oppose the resurrection of Israel, and Arafat capitalized on it, big time….

      ” the number of palistinian and iraqi refugees makes maintaining the stability and security of the country very difficult.”

      Does it? Well, I don’t buy the “palestinian refugee” myth, they don’t exist. There are Jordanian, Syrian, Lebanese and Egyptian Arabs, and if it wasn’t for the billions in aid from UNRAWA and other billions to Jordan and Egypt by misguided Western nations these so called ‘refugees’ would have long been resettled. But a cash cow like that must be kept alive, at all costs.

      ” their resentment will make jordan Jew non-friendly.”

      Rubbish. Jew hatred is deeply rooted in Koran, sira and hadith. Arab Muslims suck the Jew hatred in with the mothers milk. Everything else is a fake excuse.

      “the king does not want his country to be peaceful?”

      This kings father was the first to call for “itbach al yahood” when the Arabs declared war on Israel, what’s changed?

      ” He cares about his country, his people more than anything else.”

      Lets say he is afraid to be overthrown by the Islamists. He cares about his power and about American $$$$$ to keep him where he is.

      ” I dont care what isreal or the US want..”

      Why should we care about Jordanians if they have that kind of attitude?

      ” I do not think you the son of an ape of a pig or a najis.”

      Does that mean you are not very religious or are you pretending to be civilized? Ah, sorry: I forgot that you’re a christian. But then how do you feel knowing that ‘some’ Muslims think of you in this way?

      “Yes some arabs think like that, and I do not respect them either. “

      Good for you. But in this case you would agree that something is deeply wrong with a religion that teaches such filth and hatred?

      ” So please, dont generalize”

      I generalize because your religion teaches you to hate the infidel, the ‘kufar, harbi or mushrikeen’. Your argument tells me to believe that “Not all Nazis are the Same. Not all Communists are the Same. Not all Cannibals are the Same. Not all murderers are the same.”

      Sure, there are differences. But why should I care?

      “This person who tells you to your face, your the son of a pig or an ape or najis, and who teaches his children that genocide of Jews is a ‘holy obligation’ because we are the ‘vilest of creatures’.
      is not worthy of your respect. I wouldnt respect him either.. But can you please consider that those people may be a minority.. which happens to be focused on by the western media.. “

      No. I would not for one moment consider that those people are a minority. As a matter of fact, Mohammedans have wiped out their minorities from Indonesia to Morocco, from Turkey to Pakistan and in countries where there are still Christians, (like the Copts in Egypt) they are treated worse than slaves, they have no rights, their daughters are kidnapped, raped and forced into marriages with Mohammedans, and the Jews in these countries have long been killed or driven out without any compensation. (How come the “international community” is so selective when it comes to Jews?) But now we are coming to another pet project of mine: to make the Arabs pay for expropriation and atrocities committed on Jews, little reported in the media, (which we all know is ‘Jewish owned’-etc etc)

      ” Come to Jordan, you might change your mind.”

      Thanks but no, thanks. I recently had an ‘invitation’ from a Moroccan government agent who would love to cut my throat. I don’t need the excitement.

      I have been to just about all Middle Eastern countries.

      I have seen Lebanon destroyed.
      I knew Iran under the Shah. I loved it!

      I lived in Indonesia and Malaysia and I have seen the ‘progress’ from no hijab to the full burka.

      I follow the insurgency in Thailand (my second home) and I see what Mohammedanism does to this country. Its very depressing.

      Only the truth will destroy Islam.

      PS:

      Some excerpts from Fitzgerald, about Jordan (and other Islamic fiefdoms…)

      Despotism comes naturally to Muslim polities.

      Look at the Muslim-dominated countries. There are 57 members of the O.I.C. How many of those dominated by Muslims are at all “democratic”? How many hold elections, but the elections are farcical? How many Arab Muslim countries are ruled by families who seize much of the nation’s wealth — or demurely, by now, merely have it appropriated — such as the Al-Maktoum of Dubai, the Al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, the Al-Thani of Qatar, the Al-Sabah of Kuwait, and so on?

      Then there are the monarchs — the kinglet of Jordan, for example, who does not have oil and gas but have a long tradition of extracting foreign aid. It was the C.I.A., or rather American taxpayers, who picked up the bills for the high-end call girls who arrived at the assorted suites of that “plucky little king” Hussein of Jordan, every Western columnist’s favorite Arab leade). How long has Mubarak with his Family-and-Friends plan been ruling in Egypt, and how “democratic” are any of his farcical elections? In Tunisia, where Ben Ali continues, thank god, to ruthlessly round up those who oppose the secularist tendencies of his regime, which merely continues what Habib Bourguiba and the Destour Party started, what would happen if the secret police stopped their work? In the Sherifian monarchy (the king being a descendant of Muhammad, which helps to protect him from attack) of Morocco, where is the democracy?

      Give the Muslim world a close look, and you will find hints of democracy only in a few places. There is little or nothing of the rule of law, the equal treatment of all minorities, the careful guarantees of individual rights, the legal and political institutions that make all of this possible, and the widespread shared understanding of why all this is necessary, why merely elections and head-counting do not constitute the kind of “democracy” we think the word should signify.

      Here’s more:

      many “Christian” Arabs have been convinced of the intimate connection between Islam and “Arabtum” or “Uruba” or “Arabness.” This is carefully encouraged by the Muslim Arabs, who believe that all Arabs, whether Christian or not, must somehow rally around Islam as the defining feature, the great achievement, the gift to all mankind, of the Arabs, in whose language the Qur’an was dictated to Muhammad, an Arab and the “best of men,” who was a member of the “best of peoples.”

      Read the whole thing, here…

  7. You didnt answer my previous questions:

    Do you think any arab country has tried to help accomplish peace between isreal’s and palistinians more than Jordan? If yes, please let me know which one?

    Do you think King abdulla for once encouraged the dishonoring of a peace treaty?

    1. Sorry, Sima, I almost overlooked your questions:

      “Do you think any arab country has tried to help accomplish peace between isreal’s and palistinians more than Jordan? If yes, please let me know which one?”

      I am not aware of any particular peace efforts between Israeli’s and Pali Arabs that yielded any dividends. Israel gives, the Arabs take. Your king doesn’t move unless there are some financial rewards in it for him from the US or the so called “international community”. In the 6 wars against Israel, on which side was Jordan?

      To ensure that the money flows he does a bit of saber rattling here and there:

      King Abdullah of Jordan’s ultimatum: peace now or it’s war next year

      “Do you think King abdulla for once encouraged the dishonoring of a peace treaty?”

      Hmm, I don’t know why that should matter. Has your king ever renounced the verses in the Koran that are based on the treaty of Hudaybiyah or those that declare that vows given to unbelievers are dissolved by Allah?

      Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.” Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.” …

  8. First when i read the comment of sima couple days ago,i was Sure she wasn’t Christians,i knew it another Muslim in sheep’s clothing .!They believes we’ll all fall into the trap…..I’m telling you right now sima, I’d rather go to Hell than any Muslim country much more interesting people there and without any doubt more human than Jordan who is just another shithole of isslam,another Success Story of issslam.

  9. First of all, I would like to apologize for my wrong use of words, when I said cursing I was refering to the following sentense that you said and not the action of cursing, I am sorry I should have used different wording:
    (Islam is revolting. Islam is a curse on humanity.)

    Ok regarding:
    Hmm, not by any stretch of the imagination. Interesting however. So you are an Islamo-Christian? Like George Habash or Hannan Ashrawi? And you are telling me that dhimmitude is a non-issue in Jordan?

    I’ve never been called an Islamo-Christian before! Thats the first for me!.. Anyway, thats the truth , around 10% of the jordanian population are christian. And they do live in peace with moslems. You will find harmony and respect between the christian and moslem jordanians if you look deeper. The image that the world has about Jordan is incorrect, here are some quick examples I just googled.. are you sure they are all lies?
    1. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8479
    2. http://www.jordanembassyus.org/02042005001.htm
    http://wordstomouth.com/?p=221 (Here it is agreed that the moslem extremist which you think all arabs are, are actually a minority..)

    Now regarding George Habash.. I do not support his beliefs, Violence is never the solution. But for Hanan Ashrawi.. she’s an amazing woman.. before you judge.. look at what she has worked for all her life.. she won the Sydney Peace Prize! Dont you think that counts for something? She also won the Olof Palme Prize…

    You have actually highlighted my point with your reply to this section. Just like what I said to you was not by any strech of your imagination.. Many people in the world also cannot imagine that peaceful respectful arabs exist! christian and moslem arabs… This is a major misconception.. The terrorist extermist arabs do exist.. but i stress again on the fact that they are a minority! Especially in Jordan. I am not one of them and it disturbs me that you and people who think like you can never imagine that possible.. It sad.

    I think someone with such strong views as you, cannot change his views until he experience living in a place where he thinks his beliefs live. This is why I invited you to Jordan, in amman in particular. I didnt invite you for my entertainment and I didn’t invite you so that jordanians can kill you.. I am inviting you so you can live the fact that Jordan is safe, that jordanians are respectful and peaceful.

    Now regarding the rest of your comments, I am not the person to answer them. I am writing here to defend a religion, I am defending Jordan and Jordanians. I am defending myself from your misconceptions that I am a terrorist just because I am an Arab. The misconception that I do not respect you or that I am raised to believe that violence can be good just because I am an arab.. that is false.. I believe in peace, I believe that it is wrong to judge a person before you know the person, just like it is wrong to judge a nation, if you only know about a small part of the nation which are extremists that are not accepted by the nation itself!

    When I say I, I speak for many other arabs who feel the same way as me.. Learn more about Jordan before you judge it. It is sooo much different in reality than what they say in the small hate columns or websites about my country and the king. Its different.. big time.. it would be a shame, if you are not willing to test your beliefs and actually see if they are totally true or not.. Especially if you own a website like this..

    Many unfortunate events done by arabs did take place. I am not denying that.. I am just saying that just like its unfortunate to you, its unfortunate to the rest of the arabs who do not agree with these actions. And the percentage of arabs who disagree with terrorim and who disagree with violence and who agree to respect every nation.. is much much higher than I think you can stretch your imagination.

    All I am asking of you is not to judge us (Arabs), before you know the whole picture..

  10. Just a correction.. i meant I am NOT writing here to defend a religion, I am writing here to defend Jordan and Jordanians… (begining of the 7th paragraph)

  11. Summary of the the Palistinian Isaeli situation by someone who really knows what she is talking about, not someone who cannot see beyond his hatred:

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