Comments on: ‘Islam not responsible’ for Fort Hood massacre: US imam http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/ Sat, 26 May 2012 08:03:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Gramfan http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213277 Gramfan Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:41:18 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213277 Kaw, There are other groups also. Some are hard to find but they are around. There's a group in Britain who want separation of Church and state. The group I mentioned want to reform the Koran as they don't see it as 'perfect'. Here's a link to the British Group: http://www.seculardemocracy.org/ There is also this one: http://womenagainstshariah.blogspot.com/ Kaw,
There are other groups also. Some are hard to find but they are around. There’s a group in Britain who want separation of Church and state.
The group I mentioned want to reform the Koran as they don’t see it as ‘perfect’.
Here’s a link to the British Group:
http://www.seculardemocracy.org/

There is also this one:
http://womenagainstshariah.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Mulhid http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213270 Mulhid Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:55:03 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213270 I have a question: is there such a thing as moderate islam? Was the bous prophet Muhammad ibn Abd'allah (piss be upon him) a moderate person? Howcan there be moderate muslims when there is no moderate islam? The only so-called modrate muslims are those ignorant concerning the central tenets of their very own religion. This son of a muslim bitch Nidal Malik Hassan is a true muslim living according to the directives of his mass-murdering, robbing, thieving, raping, slave selling prophet. It's that simple. I have a question: is there such a thing as moderate islam? Was the bous prophet Muhammad ibn Abd’allah (piss be upon him) a moderate person? Howcan there be moderate muslims when there is no moderate islam? The only so-called modrate muslims are those ignorant concerning the central tenets of their very own religion. This son of a muslim bitch Nidal Malik Hassan is a true muslim living according to the directives of his mass-murdering, robbing, thieving, raping, slave selling prophet. It’s that simple.

]]> By: arthur http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213265 arthur Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:39:23 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213265 How could a peaceful religion like islam, condone what this nice peaceful muslim has done!!! Because his war manual told him to do it, islam should be banned as a terrorist organisation. How could a peaceful religion like islam, condone what this nice peaceful muslim has done!!! Because his war manual told him to do it, islam should be banned as a terrorist organisation.

]]> By: kaw http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213229 kaw Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:06:23 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213229 Hi Gramfan I agree exactly - and thanks for the link to muslims against sharia - i have respect for these folks. I still think the moderates have to make a significant stand. The islamists will never feel responsibility, except to their perverted philosopy called islam - which is not what is understood to be islam by the moderates. It is nice to wish that the islamists might change but by definition this is not possible. We need the moderates to shop the islamists so that we can get rid of them. I should add here that implicit in this discussion is a belief that Islam can be modified to a religion than can coexist with others without contradictions. If this cannot happen then all muslims are islamists and the problem is then both simpler and more difficult. Lets hope that the moderates get cracking and help us get rid of the extremists - because we need all on board for the problems which we will face in the coming centuries. cheers KAW Hi Gramfan
I agree exactly – and thanks for the link to muslims against sharia – i have respect for these folks. I still think the moderates have to make a significant stand. The islamists will never feel responsibility, except to their perverted philosopy called islam – which is not what is understood to be islam by the moderates. It is nice to wish that the islamists might change but by definition this is not possible. We need the moderates to shop the islamists so that we can get rid of them. I should add here that implicit in this discussion is a belief that Islam can be modified to a religion than can coexist with others without contradictions. If this cannot happen then all muslims are islamists and the problem is then both simpler and more difficult. Lets hope that the moderates get cracking and help us get rid of the extremists – because we need all
on board for the problems which we will face in the coming centuries.

cheers
KAW

]]> By: Gramfan http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213227 Gramfan Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:52:26 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213227 Hi Kaw If you mean that we should be supporting the moderates then this is true . That's what I mean. The moderates, true moderates and they do exist, are in exactly the same position as we are, possibly worse because we are not part of the Muslim community. You know what can happen to them if they speak out. Muslims who can see what you and I see are the true moderates. They know what is going on just like we know. They are the ones who suffer and feel responsible and yet it is the Islamists who should feel that way. Hope this clears it up a bit. http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/01/what-is-moderate-muslim.html Hi Kaw
If you mean that we should be supporting the moderates then this is true .

That’s what I mean.
The moderates, true moderates and they do exist, are in exactly the same position as we are, possibly worse because we are not part of the Muslim community. You know what can happen to them if they speak out.

Muslims who can see what you and I see are the true moderates. They know what is going on just like we know. They are the ones who suffer and feel responsible and yet it is the Islamists who should feel that way. Hope this clears it up a bit.
http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/01/what-is-moderate-muslim.html

]]> By: kaw http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213212 kaw Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:01:18 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213212 Hi Gramfan, There is very little evidence to support your contention that the moderates are actually willing to accept responsibility for what islamists do. By definition they have to shoulder this responsibility alone - so please explain whom else should be sharing their burden - because again by definition the islamists are incapable of even accepting that a problem exists - at least on their side. If you mean that we should be supporting the moderates then this is true - but first the moderates have to make a stand. We cannot take sides when the sides have not been clearly defined, Hi Gramfan,
There is very little evidence to support your contention that the moderates are actually willing to accept responsibility for what islamists do. By definition they have to shoulder this responsibility alone – so please explain whom else should be sharing their burden – because again by definition the islamists are incapable of even accepting that a problem exists – at least on their side. If you mean that we should be supporting the moderates then this is true – but first the moderates have to make a stand. We cannot take sides when the sides have not been clearly defined,

]]> By: Gramfan http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213210 Gramfan Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:54:00 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213210 I think the ones who are willing to accept responsibility are the true moderate Muslims. And the weird thing is that these are the ones who shouldn't be shouldering it alone! I think the ones who are willing to accept responsibility are the true moderate Muslims.

And the weird thing is that these are the ones who shouldn’t be shouldering it alone!

]]> By: kaw http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213209 kaw Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:51:40 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213209 MUSLIMS - ISLAM IS RESPONSIBLE!!!!! MUSLIMS – ISLAM IS RESPONSIBLE!!!!!

]]> By: theresaj http://sheikyermami.com/2009/11/07/islam-not-responsible-for-fort-hood-massacre-us-imam/comment-page-1/#comment-213175 theresaj Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:12:19 +0000 http://sheikyermami.com/?p=39067#comment-213175 When are they ever responsible for anything? When are they ever responsible for anything?

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