Tariq Ramadan: “Islamic Reformation is Done!”

“Done” for him means we are cooked.

Yep. Because it  (reformation)  was never meant to happen, that would be un-Islamic.  Muslims are here. In large numbers. They are here to stay.  And no: “we  are witnessing the birth of a Western Islamic culture within which Muslims remain faithful to fundamental religious principles…’

That’s what its all about. Because Mohammedanism cannot change. It was never meant to change.

In the recent debate about the minaret ban, Tariq Ramadan, the known Swiss Muslim “Reformer”, announced that Islam is already a European religion. “Islam is Swiss”, “Islam is French” and “Islam is European”, he declared in various interviews and opinion pieces.

Flashback:

“The Germans claim that they want to integrate you in their society. We tell them we are going to integrate them in our Umma (Muslim world) after converting them to Islam.”

Frere’ Tariq deserves a bullet. That’s all.

Update from Ramadan’s latest interview:

Since Muslims say that their religion is perfect, why are you talking about the need to reform Islam?

I am not saying this. Islam does not need to be reformed and Islam has in itself tools for Muslims to have a true understanding of it. What we need to reform is the Muslim minds. The texts that the Muslims refer to – the Quran and hadith – are going to stay as text. They are not going to change. We have an immutable set of principles. ME Online

Waiting in Vain for the Islamic Reformation

Islam in Europe

In 2003 Tariq Ramadan published “Western Muslims and the Future of Islam”. As the book says: “Ramadan’s goal is to create an independent Western Islam, anchored not in the traditions of Islamic countries, but in the actual reality of the West(…) ‘Western Muslims and the Future of Islam’ offers a striking vision of a new Muslim identity, one that rejects for once and for all that Islam must be defined in opposition to the West.”

Back in those days, Western Islam was still something to strive for.

In his most recent book, “What I believe”, Ramadan explains his mission differently “building bridges, explaining Islam and making it better understood”. When he talks about Western Islam specifically, he starts by speaking about a process: “We are witnessing the birth of a Western Islamic culture within which Muslims remain faithful to fundamental religious principles, while owning up to their Western cultures. They are both fully Muslim as to religion and fully Western as to culture, and that is no problem at all.”

But later, he says that “Western Islam is now a reality”. Ramadan explains: the young Muslims of Europe speak the local language as their native tongue, they are immersed in the local culture, and they feel at home and intend to stay there. Ergo, Islam is now completely Western.

Supposedly, good news – the Great Islamic Reformation is over! And nobody even noticed.

Why does language, music or ‘feeling at home’ make Islam European? Only Ramadan knows. Can a Muslim expect Europe to adapt to his religion – that polygamy should be legalized and that freedom of speech doesn’t include insults to religion – and still claim that his religion is now European? According to Ramadan, we don’t need to adapt to European values. As long as we have a language and a job, we’re all Europeans, right?

Reformation usually implies some element of reform, and I have yet to see any. Is there really a difference between Muslims in the Muslim world and Muslims in Europe? Some attitudes might be different, but it’s the same Islam. I have not yet seen any European Muslim scholar declare that polygamy is illegal or that cutting a thief’s hand off is a thing of the past.

Ramadan wonders why Europeans are ‘Islamophobic’. Maybe it’s because even the greatest Reformer doesn’t recognize that there are some fundamental values that Europeans do care about.

Sultan Knish

What We Mean When We Talk About Reforming Islam

There is of course a great deal of talk about reforming Islam these days, and just about anyone from Tariq Ramadan to the Saudi King, to people who actually see what is wrong with Islam and want to reform it, can legitimately claim the title of the reformer of Islam. But that is because the question of what exactly “Reforming Islam” means remains open.

To begin with “Reforming Islam” means one thing to Western audiences and another thing entirely to Muslims. To Westerners “Reforming Islam” means bringing it into compliance with civilized norms of conduct. To Muslims it means stripping away the corruption of later eras and returning it to the pure Islam of Mohammed.

The most successful reformers of Islam within the Muslim world are not Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina or Irshad Manji… but Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab who created Wahhabism, Hassan al Banna who founded the Muslim Brotherhood and Osama bin Laden. And while that may seem insane or absurd from a Western perspective, after all three men inspired orgies of mass murder and horrifying brutality– they did indubitably try to bring Islam closer to its roots. The problem is that Islam’s roots are more rotten and darker than its branches.

From the Islamic perspective, reforming Islam requires a purer Islam. From the Western perspective, reforming Islam actually requires a less pure Islam that is capable of implementing such foreign to it ideas as tolerance and co-existence. By contrast Muslims believe that whatever problems there are in Islam are the result of human corruption and innovations added to Islam over the centuries. A pure Islam is their final solution for ending the constant corruption in Muslim countries and creating a Caliphate run under Islamic law.

The question then comes down to just what is it about Islam that needs reforming. From the Western point of view, Islam’s expansiveness, aggression, violence and intolerance are what need reforming. From the Islamist point of view, they are the hallmarks of what a pure Islam should be, intolerant of any intellectual miscegenation and unwilling to accept anything less than absolute dominance in the name of Allah.   Read More: What We Mean When We Talk About Reforming Islam

Perverted Discussion:

Debate: Is Europe Failing its Muslims?

Of course not. Neither is Europe failing her Hindus, Buddhists or Atheists. But Europe is failing in protecting her Jews. The idiocy of the question should be turned around: are Muslims failing to become Europeans?

Tariq Ramadan
Professor of Islamic Studies, Oxford University

The perception is that Muslims are bad and violent. That they’re not European citizens. People ignore the Eastern European native Muslims. Muslims are facing class racism. They are accused of not wanting to integrate, but by being visibly Muslims, they are showing they’re at home and thereby integrating.

The media doesn’t talk about contributions of Muslims to their host country.

There are problems, but things are evolving. There’s a silent revolution, constructive and positive changes on the grassroots level which are not seen on the political-media level.

Asked what he would say to a girl forced to wear the veil, Ramadan said he had given such a girl advice to resist her parents.

Muslims are here to stay. Muslims feel at home. They’re past integration, they are now contributing. And we need to work together to change the perception and reality.

Murray to Ramadan: If you claim you are European, why do you call Muslims your ‘brothers’? Ramadan: All humans are my brothers.

link to Islam in Europe

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