Is the Mother of Sharia Finance also the Father of the African Jihad?

So who is Alhaji Umaru Abdul Mutallab?    (apart from being the father of the Knickerbomber?)

Here’s what we know from Wiki:

Alhaji Umaru Abdul Mutallab (born December 15, 1939) is a Nigerian business and banking leader, and former government minister. He played a major role in introducing Islamic banking into Nigeria.
He was described by The Times in 2009 as being “one of the richest men in Africa”, by The New York Times as “among Nigeria’s richest and most prominent men,” by The Telegraph as being “one of Nigeria’s most prominent bankers”, and by The Guardian as being “one of the country’s most respected businessmen”

Yesterday we posted this:

How a middle-class Nigerian boy was seduced by Al Qaeda into trying to blow up a transatlantic jet.

He was “middle-class”, you see. He was lonely. He was “seduced”.  There is no end to this. The perps from the MSM are criminally insane. Why are they so obsessed with finding excuses for Islamic terrorism?  The son of the chief of the Nigerian central bank is hardly  ”middle class” in Africa. He is upper, upper class. But the  class-warriors at the Daily Mail have an ideological problem with “middle class” and use it for smears….Daily Mail has more

Update from the Tundra Tabloids:

“Its not Islam but the wealth, stupid!”

According to fuzzy headed media pundits and assorted “experts”, it’s either dirt poverty or filthy wealth that’s to blame for Islamic inspired jihad terrorism, and not the teachings of Moe, the prophet from the cult of allah’s Islam. Check out this amazing steaming pile laid by Richard Pendlebury:   How a middle-class Nigerian boy was seduced by Al Qaeda

Now, forget about the amateur psychologists, the apologists and the multiculturally befuddled Socialist ink-suckers from the once free press. Here’s real news:

Flight 253 jihadist’s father “leader of Sharia movement in Nigeria”

Atlas Shrugs:

Father of Northwest ball bomber integral to rise of sharia, wahabbism in Kenya

The Muslim father who was alarmed by his son’s “extremism” was ……….uh, an extremist himself. Which goes to show you the intellectual dishonesty of these deceptive terms. Extreme is code for religious or pious. What this man and his son did according to Islamic teachings is praiseworthy, 72 raisins in the queue worthy.

It seems the father was in CYA mode when he threw his son under the bus. And the son, BTW, Obama is still calling a “suspect”.

The mother of  sharia finance, read more>>

Jihad Watch:

If this anonymous piece is accurate, maybe he was just practicing damage control when he notified the authorities about his son’s “extremism” — as Creeping Sharia puts it, daddy “threw his son under the bus to protect himself and his own Islamist interests.” But it looks as if Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is a chip off the old block.

It’s overheated, yes, and the English is faulty, but the most important question here is, Are these charges true? “Nigerian Muslim Jihadist and Al Qaida Ties Started Long Ago with Alhaji Mutallab,,.The Father As a Leader of Sharia Movement In Nigeria,” fromAfrica Today, January 1 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):

Let the world not be fooled by the diguised of Northern Nigerian Religious extremism muslim as represented by their leaders like Yaradua Family, Mutallab Family, Sanusi Family, Bayero Families, Yerima family, Babangida family, Abdulsalam, family, Abacha, Jubril Aminu family, Atiku Family etc. and all of the emires and Ulamas and Northern Nigeria leaders and muslim families AND FOLLOWERS for they all have ties to Muslim Wahabism extremisism in Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Dubai, Yemen, Egytp etc and with the world jihadist movement and the world is just now waking up to it and the facts has been there for a long time and now they are exporting terrorism, jihadism, wahabism and Al Qaida to the world. They are all part and parcel of this problem because they planted this it but it is now known and let the world not be fooled.

Like all of the muslim Northern Nigerian leaders, DR. Mutallab the father of the terrorist who is now shedding crocodile tears because he is one of the leaders who groom the Wahabism in Nigeria. Alhaji Dr. Mutallab the father also groomed Sharia law in Katsina State, Alhaji DR. Mutallab Groom Sharia in Kaduna State,Alhaji Dr. Mutallab groomed Sharia in Kano State, Most of the extremism Ulama in Northern Muslim Nigeria are benefactors of Alhaji Mutallab, Dr. Mutallab groomed extreme Muslim businesses in Saudi Arabia, He has extreme business in Dubai and he has extreme religious business in Yemen and he has business and property in Yemen. Alhaji Mutallab is the owner of the only Islamic Bank in Nigeria, Alhaji Mutallab has ties and interest in almost all the extremist muslim religious groups in Nigeria. He is a top leader of the Sharia movement COUNCIL in Nigeria. This guy is dangerous and he has gotten it hot and thats why he is running from pillar to post because he destroyed Nigeria with his corrupt ways and his muslim jihadist ideas for long time.

Dr. Mutallab the father of the terrorist was just covering his ass because he does not want to loose his investment in the Westen World and he does not want his family to be place on the no fly list as he wants to still enjoy his vacation and western women and western wine and drinks in Engalnd, Europe and America while still using extremism and corruption to maintain their corrupt hold in Nigeria by stealing from their people, thats thats why he reported his son to America, because he and most of the Muslim leaders in Nigeria knows more and they are part of the sponsors of world wide jihadism wahabism from Saudi Arabia, Sudan,Dubai, Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, Pakistan etc….

Hugh Fitzgerald adds this:

An article from 2006:

Fitzgerald: Black Africa: The inattention, neglect, and betrayal should not be repeated

Black Africa is a battlefield between Islam and Christianity. Individual Christian missions, and are doing, have done a great deal of good. But Christians in black Africa need more support, tangible and visible, from the outside world. The spectacle of Muslims in Nigeria being allowed to throttle the Christians (Ibo and others) of the south during the Biafra War (1967-1969), with Egyptian pilots strafing Ibo villages and only two countries in the world (Ghana and Israel) willing to recognize an independent Biafra, should never be repeated. The forces of Biafra were fighting against the “Jihad” (Col. Ojukwu’s own word in the Ahiara Declaration), while what was seen as the Christian world did nothing. It did not help the cause of Christianity in Africa.

The spectacle of the Western powers, held in Africa to represent Christianity, doing nothing or very little while, almost at will, Muslim Arabs continued to kill, or starve to death, by taking away their cattle or destroying their crops, the Christian and animist black Africans in the southern Sudan, and did this without any consequences over several decades, with nearly 2 million dead a result, also did not help the cause of Christianity in black Africa.

It is time for something dramatic to be done so that the Western world makes clear it will take the side of the Christians where they are under assault. Should a new Biafra be declared, the Western world should support and not shun it. In the Sudan, the Americans should — but this will await, as so much awaits, removal of American forces from tarbaby Iraq — enter, and smash in the first hour the capacity of the Sudanese government to conduct its renewed campaign of murder (so much for that “treaty”) in the southern Sudan and its newer mass murder in Darfur. Then they should seize both the southern Sudan and Darfur and hold them, to protect the black African populations, until such time as a referendum on self-rule can be held without interference by the government in Khartoum.

The spectacle of American soldiers, having dealt a blow to whatever Sudanese army or air force exists, and having cleared Darfur overnight of Janjaweed (General Mattis might take particular pleasure in being put in charge of that), being warmly greeted by black Africans in both places, will be hard to disavow. What will the U.N. do? Deplore the protection of black Africans, either Muslim or non-Muslim, in Darfur and the south? And what will the E.U do? They can not, at this point, denounce the Americans for such an obviously humanitarian mission. It should galvanize support for, and encourage intelligent understanding of, the need for this kind of counter-Jihad.

In that event, what would the Arab League do? It has been foursquare behind the Sudanese government in Darfur, as it was in the southern Sudan — or where it was not approving openly, then it was approving secretly. For who cares about non-Muslims being killed or Arab Muslims killing non-Arab Muslims? There was not a syllable of protest over the massacre of the Kurds by Arabs in Iraq. There was not a syllable of protest by the same Arab League over the use of the criminal law to punish the Berbers for using their own language and preserving their own culture for so many decades. (Recently, the Algerian government was forced by pressure from Berbers within Algeria to change those laws). What will the Arab League do? Declare the divine right of Arab Muslims to rule over and massacre non-Arab Muslims?

All that is being suggested is that word should get around that the Western world will no longer support countries or peoples equally. It is going to give its aid only to those who are not engaged now, or in a possible future, in Jihad, but to those countries where non-Muslims live, or where they currently withstand Muslim pressure, inside and out, and if given aid can make Christianity more attractive to those who might otherwise be tempted by Islam. The Infidel wold should eliminate economic, diplomatic, and other kinds of aid for countries where the jihad ideology is being spread. An example of a country deserving of special attention and support is Ethiopia. Its efforts to divert some of the headwaters of the Nile for irrigation projects should be encouraged, and threats by Egypt against Ethiopia taken note of, and Egypt put on notice. And that Jizyah to Egypt that the Americans keep sending, should end. Egypt is not our “ally” nor our “staunch ally.” It is a country that officially and unofficially has done everything to promote anti-Americanism and antisemitism (government television beaming a series based on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, for example), it has failed to meet any of its solemn commitments under the Camp David Accords, and Copts have been under attack for decades — it was during the reign of Saint Sadat that Pope Shenouda II first went into self-imposed isolation as a protest against the government. Egypt needs to be taken off the American Infidel dole, until it changes its ways completely. Let all Muslim states be made aware that they are now on their own — and they can go, hat in hand, as the “Palestinians” should be made to, to their fabulously rich Muslim brothers in the Gulf, and see how that works out. And that change in policy will be noticed throughout Africa, and not merely by Egypt’s immediate neighbors.

Finally, in black Africa, more needs to be done to publicize the longest and most devastating trade in black Africans — that of the Arabs. And that information should not only be spread in Africa, but in the Western world, since Islam’s missionaries have deliberately targeted black populations on the assumption that they can continue to present Islam — falsely — as an appropriate vehicle for the expression of dismay with, or alienation from, the larger society. For Islam suppresses music and art and science. Islam does not encourage “social justice”: good god, just look at Saudi Arabia, look at the zamindars and generals of Pakistan, look at the corrupt military rulers of Egypt and Algeria, the petty kings of Jordan and Morocco, the police-state of Tunisia — one uninterrupted series of despotisms. It is also false that Islam discourages “materialism.” Pay a visit to the souks of the Gulf statelets or Saudi Arabia — shopping is all there is. There isn’t anything else.

But more important, for helping to immunize important target populations for jihad subversion in the Western world, would be a clear and deliberate sign of Western protection of black African Christians from continued depredations, persecution, and even mass murder, by those pushing Islam in Africa. Black African Christians were abandoned to their fate in southern Nigeria and southern Sudan. That inattention, that neglect, that betrayal, should not be repeated.

17 thoughts on “Is the Mother of Sharia Finance also the Father of the African Jihad?”

  1. So the mother of Sharia finance and the father of Wahabbism in Nigeria. I don’t really believe his claim that he was “surprised” as his son being a jihadist then… A very ambitious man then. And who showed a real love for his son: he denounced him for the money.
    What an example…

  2. My wife’ s Chinese and a lot younger than me .
    When I go ( to the great beyond ) , she will still be here in UK .
    She’d like to get a British passport ( for convenience –
    easier to travel etc. ) , which will probably mean she has to give up her Chinese passport , which would mean she might not get back into China when certain political developments unfold – i.e. when we have
    CONSTANT muslim terrorism .
    She half believes my predictions but is not convinced .
    I’ve nobody else to convince her – nobody I know is really convinced of the muslim threat .
    I’d like to show her that it’s not just me – that other people are concerned about what’s going to happen and the danger she might find herself in .
    Can anyone here give her any advice ?

  3. Check out immigration to Hong Kong or Macau. See if you can stash the wife there. Those two places are Chinese protectorates. Knowing the ruthlessness of the Chinese in ensuring state security, you can be damned sure that they will not fuck around in protecting their two prized possessions. When (and it’s a question of when) things kick off in the West, it will be a war of all against all because the sheer number of immigrants in Western countries due to mass immigration means that it’s impossible to tell friend from foe in a crisis situation. The slaves of Allah will be worst off, but other minorities will not be immune.

  4. Check out immigration to Hong Kong or Macau. See if you can stash the wife there. Those two places are Chinese protectorates. Knowing the ruthlessness of the Chinese in ensuring state security, you can be damned sure that they will protect their two prized possessions with the utmost care. When (and it’s a question of when) things kick off in the West, it will be a war of all against all because the sheer number of immigrants in Western countries due to mass immigration means that it’s impossible to tell friend from foe in a crisis situation. The slaves of Allah will be worst off, but other minorities will not be immune.

  5. Persikas – My advice is that you get your wife to thoroughly research the topic of Islam herself. Give her a long list of things to research – such as the major terrorist attacks, including Beslan – where the young children were gang raped and sexually abused with weapons; what’s occurring throughout the West in terms of societal changes; legal jihad; the efforts at the UN, and in the EU to stop all criticism of Islam; the increased crime caused by Muslims; gang rapes of non-Muslim women, etc. etc.

    You should also give her the links to all the anti-Jihad sites – like Winds of Jihad; Atlas Shrugs; Jihad Watch, Front Page Magazine etc. If she does the research, then ultimately your wife will convince herself that Islam is dangerous, and that the situation in Europe will continue to worsen – not improve.

    I believe that ultimately there will be civil war throughout the EU – including the UK. It won’t be pretty, because European governments control the military; police forces; and are aligned with the enemy – Islam. Consequently, the outcome is not promising for non-Muslim citizens.

    My strong advice to your wife – is that she should never give up her Chinese passport under any circumstances, because Europe is going down.

    I believe that in time, having a UK passport will be a detriment. I’ve been writing to my government for years, urging them to stop trusting the UK for anything – particularly security – because of its relationship with Islam. Every terrorist plan, and attack that originates in the UK – proves my point.

    Frankly, I believe the UK has already fallen to Islam. The formal announcement just hasn’t been made yet. But, it will be made in due time. The UK Government is completely controlled by the Saudis, and others. Sharia Finance, and Sharia Law are already in place. The rights of non-Muslim citizens are rapidly disappearing, while Muslims – no matter what they say or do, are protected, and pampered. Muslims are favoured above and beyond any other group in the UK. Your politicians have sold the people they were sworn to protect – to Islam.

    Furthermore, in the not too distant future – 50 million immigrants – probably mostly Muslim – will flood Europe in the next few years. It’s going to be a bloody nightmare, and is being deliberately done to ethnically cleanse Europe. As the situation continues to worsen, and it will – those who can get out easily will be the lucky ones.

    I have very close family members living in the Orient. Despite how much I miss them, I’m glad they are there, and have told them to stay where they are. I don’t want them returning to Canada to live, or to live anywhere in Europe because of Islam. They are much safer where they are. Unlike the West – Asian governments such as China and Japan, have little tolerance for the bs that comes with Islam.

    I guarantee you that in time, your wife’s Chinese passport will prove to be as valuable as gold, and a UK passport will be worthless. It will be viewed with suspicion like passports from Somalia or Iran are viewed.

    I hope this helps.

  6. Persikas – My advice is that you get your wife to thoroughly research the topic of Islam herself. Give her a long list of things to research – such as the major terrorist attacks, including Beslan – where the young children were gang raped and sexually abused with weapons; what’s occurring throughout the West in terms of societal changes; legal jihad; the efforts at the UN, and in the EU to stop all criticism of Islam; the increased crime caused by Muslims; gang rapes of non-Muslim women, etc. etc.

    You should also give her the links to all the anti-Jihad sites – like Winds of Jihad; Atlas Shrugs; Jihad Watch, Front Page Magazine etc. If she does the research, then ultimately your wife will convince herself that Islam is dangerous, and that the situation in Europe will continue to worsen – not improve.

    I believe that ultimately there will be civil war throughout the EU – including the UK. It won’t be pretty, because European governments control the military; police forces; and are aligned with the enemy – Islam. Consequently, the outcome is not promising for non-Muslim citizens.

    My strong advice to your wife – is that she should never give up her Chinese passport under any circumstances, because Europe is going down.

    I believe that in time, having a UK passport will be a detriment. I’ve been writing to my government for years, urging them to stop trusting the UK for anything – particularly security – because of its relationship with Islam. Every terrorist plan, and attack that originates in the UK – proves my point.

    Frankly, I believe the UK has already fallen to Islam. The formal announcement just hasn’t been made yet. But, it will be made in due time. The UK Government is completely controlled by the Saudis, and others. Sharia Finance and Sharia Law are already in place. The rights of non-Muslim citizens are rapidly disappearing, while Muslims – no matter what they say or do, are protected, and pampered. Muslims are favoured above and beyond any other group in the UK. Your politicians have sold the people they were sworn to protect – to Islam.

    Furthermore, in the not too distant future – 50 million immigrants – probably mostly Muslim – will flood Europe in the next few years. It’s going to be a bloody nightmare, and is being deliberately done to ethnically cleanse Europe. As the situation continues to worsen, and it will – those who can get out easily will be the lucky ones.

    I have very close family members living in the Orient. Despite how much I miss them, I’m glad they are there, and have told them to stay where they are. I don’t want them returning to Canada to live, or to live anywhere in Europe because of Islam. They are much safer where they are. Unlike the West – Asian governments such as China and Japan, have little tolerance for the bs that comes with Islam.

    I guarantee you that in time, your wife’s Chinese passport will prove to be as valuable as gold, and a UK passport will be worthless. It will be viewed with suspicion like passports from Somalia or Iran are viewed.

    I hope this helps.

  7. With all due respects I don’t share your pessimism. We will have a viscous fight against the muslim invaders and against the PC scum who are mindless trying to avoid conflict by acceeding to every muslim whim, but things are now changing. The muslims are not intelligent enough to do anything except cause a lot of damage, and they will pay full price for this damage. Fools like Choudhury are living on very limited time, just as are the left wing traitors who are protecting him. I will say that the UK has not fallen to that virus called islam, but Brown and cohorts are under the microscope. OT but actually I came to the conclusion that the man is nothing more that a liar as I listened to his claims on UK readiness to fight terrorism. Yes Gordon, as was said here by a sharp reader, you are always on the reactive – and that means you are trying to loose. The rising rate of “singular incidents” is not coincidental and to assume so is the hall mark of stupidity.

    Jeh, under no circumstances should we sell the people of the UK out – they will shortly have a fight on their hands that they will win but our support is very helpful. And you don’t support them be claiming that the muslims will have their way – they will not, but the people of the UK have to see and realise that they hold the key to their future, not the muslim invader.

  8. Kaw – I want to believe that you are right, and nor do I want to sell out citizens in the UK. But you have to look at the harsh facts. The entire government is corrupt, and they control the military and police. Undoubtedly there will be some individuals within both forces who will side with Brits. But will there be enough people who are willing to lose their jobs, and help them to win a civil war? Then to add to the problem, there are security cameras everywhere. It’s a little difficult to run, and win a civil war, when covert & all other activities are being monitored by the very government one is trying to overthrow. Furthermore, the majority of Brits do not have weapons. But, the Muslims do. Once the floodgates open next year, and the 50 million start to flood in, the problems will increase ten fold. Also, there is a Muslim President in the White House. It is entirely possibly that when civil war breaks out, U.S. and other foreign troops will be sent in to assist the European governments – NOT those who are rebelling. There will also be military assistance from Muslim countries too, because they want to dominate and control Europe.

    I don’t want to be a pessimist. I have family and friends in the UK, and Europe. I read the talk about civil war on various sites. But, talk and bravado won’t win a civil war. Obviously, anything is possible. But, it’s not going to be easy in light of what I have said above.

    My position hasn’t changed – Persikas should tell his wife to keep her Chinese passport. What is about to transpire throughout the EU, is very different than what occurred during World War II. Then the fascists were viewed as the enemy by the UK. Today, Islamic fascists are their friends.

    I believe that giving false hope, is more harmful than laying out the cold hard facts. When the harsh realities are presented, then people can make an informed decision about their future, instead of holding onto false hope, like Jews did during the 30’s – that the situation will improve.

    Ask yourself who will lead this civil war to a victory? Griffin? Not a chance. There are no Churchills around. The closest thing to Churchill is Geert Wilders, and we know what the EU is doing to him.

  9. I would say tell your wife to read a lot more…My bro married a Chinese woman..She got citizenship in NZ.. Now, when she goes back to China she gets a lot of grief and gets grief this end because all Chinese are suspected of bringing in ingredients to make the drug “P.”
    I think Chinese in China are very racist..they generally regard someone who marries outside their race as a traitor of the highest order so what your wife does re passport or citizenship depends largely on whether she wants to be making many return trips to China.

  10. Jeh,

    The government is not corrupt – some are questionable but the government is far more than a few bent ministers!!!!

    Your argument with cameras makes no sense whatsoever. If you recall, it was because of the camera that the muslim fuckwits who tried to bomb central London (the Glasgow attack happened soon afterwards) were caught.

    As for the Jews in the 30’s – only a small number held onto false hope. Read about the Warsaw Ghetto – the Jews, small in number ands isolated, destroyed
    at least one battalion of Nazi thugs and they did this using their intellect and very few weapons (and Nazis are more intelligent that islamic scum). They failed, only because Russia decided not to advance into Warsaw (deliberately because of the Jewish success). If all work together these muslim scum are TOAST.

    As regards weapons – I don’t need a gun to kill a muslim terrorist – and there are many Brits who are a lot tougher then I am. In any case, you want to beat the terrorists. you disable them before they learn how to steal an gun.

    The floodgates can be closed, but people need to tell their politicians that they do NOT want an influx of useless muslims into their countries – THAT IS THE REAL BATTLE – GETTING PEOPLE AWARE OF HOW MUCH THEY CAN CHANGE THINGS-

    Who will lead – there are more Winston Churchills than you will believe – all that is required is the right combination of circumstances to bring them out. It will happen.

    Geert Wilders will survive, and he will be stronger because of what has happened to him. Good luck to him.

    What we don’t need are people who wave the white flag when the battle is not lost!!!

  11. You do have a point theresaj. I hadn’t looked at it from that standpoint. I guess his wife will have to determine for herself what would be harder for her to live with – life in China or life with Islam in Europe. It’s not an easy decision.

  12. Kaw – Jeh,

    “The government is not corrupt – some are questionable but the government is far more than a few bent ministers!!!!”

    Are you naive or what? Please – the UK government is totally corrupt. There is plenty of documentation to prove that point.

    “Your argument with cameras makes no sense whatsoever. If you recall, it was because of the camera that the muslim fuckwits who tried to bomb central London (the Glasgow attack happened soon afterwards) were caught.”

    You just proved my point – any actions towards civil war, initiated by loyal Brits against Muslims and the Government, will be caught on camera, and the civil war will be over before it starts.

    “As for the Jews in the 30’s – only a small number held onto false hope. Read about the Warsaw Ghetto – the Jews, small in number ands isolated, destroyed
    at least one battalion of Nazi thugs and they did this using their intellect and very few weapons (and Nazis are more intelligent that islamic scum). They failed, only because Russia decided not to advance into Warsaw (deliberately because of the Jewish success). If all work together these muslim scum are TOAST.”

    Being Jewish – I am well versed on Jewish history. Far too many Jews blindly believed that the situation would improve. They were wrong and the 6 million murdered Jews proves that point. The Warsaw insurrection was one of a very few efforts against the Nazis by Jews. Sadly, the majority held onto false hope, believing that the situation would change. Those who tried to escape had no where to run because doors were shut to Jews everywhere – including in Canada.

    “As regards weapons – I don’t need a gun to kill a muslim terrorist – and there are many Brits who are a lot tougher then I am. In any case, you want to beat the terrorists. you disable them before they learn how to steal an gun.”

    They already have the guns, grenades, rocket launchers, etc. They are ahead of you.

    “The floodgates can be closed, but people need to tell their politicians that they do NOT want an influx of useless muslims into their countries – THAT IS THE REAL BATTLE – GETTING PEOPLE AWARE OF HOW MUCH THEY CAN CHANGE THINGS-”

    People have been telling European governments for years that they want the floodgates closed. But the corrupt Marxists in power, along with their Islamic Masters – the Saudis completely ignore what the people of Europe want. The Lisbon Treaty is just one example of corrupt European governments, completely disregarding what European and British citizens want.

    “Who will lead – there are more Winston Churchills than you will believe – all that is required is the right combination of circumstances to bring them out. It will happen.”

    Name one.

    “Geert Wilders will survive, and he will be stronger because of what has happened to him. Good luck to him.”

    If they don’t destroy Wilders politically or through the court case in January resulting in his incarceration – then they will find a way to have him killed, because he is disrupting their Communist/Islamist plans for the region.

    “What we don’t need are people who wave the white flag when the battle is not lost!!!”

    What we need are people who are willing to face the harsh truth about Europe. Arm chair bravado from a computer will not save Europe. Until Europeans face these harsh truths, and start to actively plan counter movements – then your bravado is just that and nothing more. I see little sign of planning and coordination between the various groups. They are all fighting with each other, and covering their assess as to who is the least racist – then actually planning a counter insurgence against the CORRUPT governments that are prevalent throughout the EU. While the various groups fight amongst themselves – Islam and Marxism moves forward at a rapid pace. Few people still fully grasp the serious threat these two ideologies pose for Europe. The majority are still locked into multi-cultural crap. By the time they wake up – it will be too late to turn things around.

    I’m all for being optimistic, when there is something tangible to hang onto. But, other than Wilders, SIOE, and a couple of other groups – there is little anti-Jihad movement that is productive. The BNP is gaining in members – but as they prefer whites only they aren’t going to win the hearts and minds of all other non-Muslims who are coloured. Yes I know that recently the BNP opened their doors to people of colour for political purposes nothing more. But, they have openly stated that they don’t expect the numbers of coloured members to increase significantly. They don’t want anyone but whites to join their party.

    So when you can give me something concrete – then I will change my position. But, false bravado is much more harmful than telling them the truth about Europe. If Europeans and Brits are willing to face the harsh realities – then maybe there will be a coordinated effort to toss the corrupt politicians, and rid Europe of Islam. That’s if they can do anything meaningful – without being spotted by one of the millions of cameras throughout the UK.

  13. Kaw – some further thoughts. Perhaps there are a few politicians in the EU who aren’t corrupt – but, I bet it’s safe to say that they are the exception NOT the norm.

    While the majority of westerners sit at their computers talking about Islam, many Muslims are involved in intensive para-military training – within every single western country.

    As we are talking about the UK right now, let’s examine what the majority of Brits are doing. Barring some exceptions like SIOE, who hit the pavement and protest, the majority of Brits, particularly the young, are either sitting in pubs, or getting on with the daily grind of paying the bills.

    Muslims are united, and well organized through their mosques, and various Islamic organizations. They share a common ideology, and their goals are the same – to destroy the West, and spread Islam. Within seconds/minutes – thousands of Muslims can arrive at a protest, or at a crime scene if a fellow Muslim is arrested. This has occurred throughout the West, and in Australia too. What do you think Muslims can do on short notice, should civil war break out?

    Mosques and other Muslim organizations are highly funded by the Saudis, Iran, and other groups so that military training is provided to members. Is someone funding non-Muslim westerners so that they can train militarily? I’m not talking about members of Federal armed forces, or police departments – I’m talking about funding for the military training of ordinary western citizens.

    I know that some militia groups exist in the U.S. But, to the best of my knowledge they don’t exist in the UK. So who is going to fight Islam; how are they going to do it; and what weapons will they use – so that they are able to successfully win against Muslims, and corrupt Marxist governments?

    Unless Brits, and other westerners completely change their behaviour from peaceful/placid to aggressive, trained and armed – I don’t see a positive outcome for Europe. Marxists and Muslims know that it is unlikely that westerners will change soon enough to stop them. If anyone actually bothers to get off their couch, or move away from their computer to fight – the enemy knows that any acts of insurgency will be easily crushed, because few have the training or weaponry to make much of a dent. Also, remember it is not the same as World War II. This time, government is part of the problem, and in many cases is the enemy – just as much as Islam is.

    In Canada we are lucky that we have Harper in power. I’m beginning to see signs that the Conservative Government is well aware of the dangers Islam and Marxism poses for the west. But, it is not the same political situation in the UK, Australia, throughout Europe, or the U.S. The majority of other western governments, are filled with Marxists, Islamists, and traitors.

    Perhaps you can provide some insight on how you expect Brits, and all of Europe to overcome Marxist governments and Muslims. Please keep in mind that the EU government is comprised of many unelected individuals, who are determining the future for all of Europe, including the UK. The way the EU has been set up is deliberate. They want to move away from free elections, and citizens rights, and are determined to control the entire region. Marxists are using Islamists as the tool to do their dirty work. Islamists are using Marxists to achieve their goals for a world wide Caliphate. It’s remains to be seen who ends up on top.

    In the very near future – 50 million (mostly Muslim) immigrants will swarm throughout all of Europe. The EU government is deliberately allowing these immigrants into the region, in an effort to destroy the remaining remnants of European civilization. How do you expect the floodgates to be closed, before these immigrants are allowed in? Once they are in, how do you expect them to be removed? I know that Griffin, Wilders and others want to pay people to leave. While some may take the offer, I suspect the majority won’t – because Islam has its sights on Europe, and every other western nation – including Canada, the U.S. and Australia.

    Give me something to be optimistic about, and I will happily change my position.

  14. “Give me something to be optimistic about, and I will happily change my position.”

    If I can chime in here!
    Western people such as myself are just becoming aware of this as well. We intend to find any decent way to put a stop to this.
    We are only at the beginning of the effort to do so.
    Our history as a peace-loving fighting people shows we are always successful.
    Give us a chance!
    I have only learnt about this ‘Islamisation problem’ over the net.
    Definitly, not through the mass media. It takes time to change their culture. But I too notice a similar change in stories coming out.
    Contributions from Muslims to newspapers has stopped.
    Their women have stopped wearing the hijabs.
    ‘Muslim-type’ jihadi crimes have increased and been met swiftly by the police.
    Now we need the polititians to make policy changes.
    This I am sure will happen after the Christmas -New Year Break.

    jeh, do not give up so easily!

  15. Dhumme Dhimmi – I’m not giving up easily. I’ve been at this since 911, as have many others. While I am seeing some changes – they aren’t occurring often, or fast enough to outrun Islam, and Marxists.

    Regarding your remark that it takes time to change their culture – Muslims have had 1400 years to evolve, and haven’t done it so far – barring some exceptions. Reformation in Islam is impossible – because the Koran is viewed as the word of God, and no man can alter his words. Attempts to reform the ideology – generally ends in death of the reformer.

    It is incomprehensible to me that modern western societies, willingly allow a backwards 7th century ideology to disrupt, and pollute our societies, with little or no resistance. What is even more incomprehensible to me, is that Europe and Britain having suffered so terribly during World War II from Nazi fascism; and after so many lives were lost – both civilian and military – that they are willingly submitting to an even worse form of fascism – Islam. But, it’s happening – because the Marxists in power don’t care about the sacrifices made during the War. Their only goal is to destroy nation states, and ultimately create a world government. The EU is just the beginning. In the U.S. Obama is helping to move things along nicely for both Marxists and Islamists.

    Muslims are still making remarks in various mainstream papers in Canada, and performing Al Taqiyya. A notorious Islamist – just had one of his articles published in The Toronto Star. His work is frequently published in the Star.

    In Canada, and elsewhere their women are wearing hijabs and burqas; legal jihad is on the rise; mosques spout their filth; and Muslim bookstores are allowed to sell books promoting jihad, and provide instructions on how to build bombs, etc.

    Concentrated efforts to silence all criticism of Islam are occurring via the UN, and the EU. In the not too distant future – it will be punishable by international law to talk about our Muslim enemies. Several attempts have already been made by Islamic countries to extradite critics of Islam. Although to date, they have been unsuccessful in their efforts to extradite – it is entirely likely that ultimately they will succeed. Many European politicians are helping Islamists to change legislation so that all criticism of Islam will be prohibited. You can’t gain supporters to fight Islam, if you aren’t allowed talk about it.

    The majority of Western Politicians are still worried about the Muslim vote. In the UK – New Labour and the Conservatives continually appease Muslims, to the detriment of other citizens, and the well-being of Britain. It’s no different in France, or any other European country. In Australia, they have a Marxist government that is allowing more and more Muslims to immigrate, and change Australian society. In the U.S. there is a Marxist/likely Muslim President, who is going out of his way to destroy the U.S. In Canada, we are fortunate to have Harper, but it is a minority Conservative government so there is only so much they can do.

    Last year two of Canada’s prominent “moderate” Muslims publicly alleged that Hamas and Hezbollah had infiltrated in the highest levels, one of our mainstream political parties – the NDP. Even though both organizations are officially listed as terrorist organizations, no action has been taken against the NDP to investigate the allegations. Recently the streets of Toronto were lined with Hezbollah and Hamas supporters, and giving Nazi salutes. No one was arrested – even though it is supposed to be a crime to be a member of either organization.

    We don’t have time to be patient, and allow Islam to evolve. We have to change soon – like yesterday – if we want western civilization to survive. Yes, the west has fought many battles, and bravely did what was necessary to win World War II. Many of my family members fought in that war. But, the thing most people overlook is that during World War II – the UK, U.S., Australia, Canada, etc. had governments that were fighting Nazi fascists. The same cannot be said today – because the majority of western governments are supporting, aiding, and financing Islamic fascism – at the expense of the majority of their citizens, and their respective countries.

    You said that as people are becoming aware of the problem with Islam, that they are willing to fight it in a “decent” way. What does that mean? One can’t fight a war decently, and win.

    What policy changes do you expect to see? Stopping all Muslim immigration? The EU is far too heavily invested in the creation of the EU – via Muslim immigration. They are actively working to permanently disband elected governments that are accountable to the people. EU politicians won’t change their policies. Sarkozy was elected because he swore to clean up the immigration mess, and the problems associated with Islamists. Now Sarkozy is promoting Muslim immigration, and the EU/Med alliance. He lied, and is betraying French citizens. He’s no different than Brown, Blair and others.

    Even though I have seen positive changes in Canada with the Conservative Government – Muslim immigration is still occurring, at rates that I’m very uncomfortable with. Australia is in just as much trouble as other western countries.

    Yes, Jihadi crimes are on the rise. You say that they have been met swiftly by the police. That’s true to an extent. But, the efforts of the police are undermined by leftist courts who slap terrorists on the hand, and give them little time, if any, in jail.

    Look I don’t want to give up all hope. It would be dumb to do that. But false hope, and computer bravery, will accomplish nothing. I believe that unless we change who and what we are – we will lose. We need unity, coordination, action, and training etc. To date, very little of that is occurring.

    I want people to start looking at the glaring realities on the ground; realize the speed with which Islam and Marxists are working, and get pro-active in as many ways as possible. I’m elderly and in poor health. I can honestly tell you that if I was younger, that I would be taking several trips to Israel, to train militarily. We can’t fight a war and win, if western governments continue to be in bed with the enemy; control the military; we are disorganized; and aren’t properly trained.

    I’m glad you jumped into the conversation.

  16. Jeh

    We sghall go thru your points one by one

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    “The government is not corrupt – some are questionable but the government is far more than a few bent ministers!!!!”
    <Are you naive or what? Please – the UK government is totally corrupt. <There is plenty of documentation to prove that point

    Rubbish – there is corruption – it happen in ALL governments – but the level you claim is rubbish. Your last sentence is rubbish. I have live in SE Asia and I can tell you that corruption there is several orders of magnitude higher.

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    “Your argument with cameras makes no sense whatsoever. If you recall, it was because of the camera that the muslim fuckwits who tried to bomb central London (the Glasgow attack happened soon afterwards) were caught.”

    <You just proved my point – any actions towards civil war, initiated by loyal <Brits against Muslims and the Government, will be caught on camera, and <the civil war will be over before it starts.

    Incorrect again – we all have to work within the law – the cameras have already proved their value. And when a civil war starts the cameras will be of no help because when a civil war is started it will not be initiated in only one place. I also find the direction that you require for resolution of the problem – civil war – as being rubbish. We need to replace a few individuals in Whitehall – a civil war is not required and does more damage than good for many reasons.

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    “As for the Jews in the 30’s – only a small number held onto false hope. Read about the Warsaw Ghetto – the Jews, small in number ands isolated, destroyed
    at least one battalion of Nazi thugs and they did this using their intellect and very few weapons (and Nazis are more intelligent that islamic scum). They failed, only because Russia decided not to advance into Warsaw (deliberately because of the Jewish success). If all work together these muslim scum are TOAST.”

    <Being Jewish – I am well versed on Jewish history. Far too many Jews <blindly believed that the situation would improve. They were wrong and the <6 million murdered Jews proves that point. The Warsaw insurrection was <one of a very few efforts against the Nazis by Jews. Sadly, the majority held <onto false hope, believing that the situation would change. Those who tried <o escape had no where to run because doors were shut to Jews everywhere – <including in Canada.

    Six million died because an entire army was turned against them. If you know Jewish history then you know how much damage waving a white flag achieves. And that is what you seem to be doing. If you are intelligent you will realize that we need to protect our political systems and use these to deport the muslim scums. It can be done and it is easier to do this than to destroy all with a civil war and rebuild.

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    “As regards weapons – I don’t need a gun to kill a muslim terrorist – and there are many Brits who are a lot tougher then I am. In any case, you want to beat the terrorists. you disable them before they learn how to steal an gun.”

    <They already have the guns, grenades, rocket launchers, etc. They are ahead <of you.

    No they are not – at least not in my country. And if I need to arm myself against these scum I can do it very quickly. Where on eath do you get the fact to justify these statements. Yes – we know theri mosques are weapons caches but WE KNOW THIS and WE KNOW WHERE THEIR GUNS ARE.

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    “The floodgates can be closed, but people need to tell their politicians that they do NOT want an influx of useless muslims into their countries – THAT IS THE REAL BATTLE – GETTING PEOPLE AWARE OF HOW MUCH THEY CAN CHANGE THINGS-”

    <People have been telling European governments for years that they want the <loodgates closed. But the corrupt Marxists in power, along with their Islamic <Masters – the Saudis completely ignore what the people of Europe want. The <Lisbon Treaty is just one example of corrupt European governments, <completely disregarding what European and British citizens want.

    Which is why the politicians have to be made to follow what the people want – and that means that all politicians who have broken their trust are thrown out. Actually, it is the media that need to be controlled – an issue you have not raised – and this is a very significant issue. THAT IS WHERE THIS BATTLE WILL WON.

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    “Who will lead – there are more Winston Churchills than you will believe – all that is required is the right combination of circumstances to bring them out. It will happen.”

    If they don’t destroy Wilders politically or through the court case in January >resulting in his incarceration – then they will find a way to have him killed, >because he is disrupting their Communist/Islamist plans for the region.

    Killing him serves no purpose – it makes his message more potent and the commies know this. Wilders is stronger now politically precisely because of the Dhimmi response of the Durch Government.

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    “What we don’t need are people who wave the white flag when the battle is not lost!!!”

    >What we need are people who are willing to face the harsh truth about <Europe. Arm chair bravado from a computer will not save Europe.

    First discover who I am and what I do – then comment.
    The same critic is leveled against you. I have little time for fools.

    < Until Europeans face these harsh truths, and start to actively plan counter <movements – then your bravado is just that and nothing more.

    Some of us are trying to organise things and raise the llevel of awareness – but there is a lot to do yet and we need to hurry. You are not the only person aware of the threat!

    <I see little sign of planning and coordination between the various groups. <They are all fighting with each other, and covering their assess as to who is <the least racist – then actually planning a counter insurgence against the <CORRUPT governments that are prevalent throughout the EU.

    Now you are talking like a communist. Actually we prefer to use the existing systems because it is more efficient.

    < While the various groups fight amongst themselves – Islam and Marxism <moves forward at a rapid pace. Few people still fully grasp the serious threat <these two ideologies pose for Europe. The majority are still locked into <multi-cultural crap. By the time they wake up – it will be too late to turn <things around.

    Most are not locked into the PC crap – making people aware is the key issue at present which is why the media is the main issue at present.

    <I’m all for being optimistic, when there is something tangible to hang onto. <But, other than Wilders, SIOE, and a couple of other groups – there is little <anti-Jihad movement that is productive. The BNP is gaining in members – <but as they prefer whites only they aren’t going to win the hearts and minds <of all other non-Muslims who are coloured. Yes I know that recently the <BNP opened their doors to people of colour for political purposes nothing <more. But, they have openly stated that they don’t expect the numbers of <coloured members to increase significantly. They don’t want anyone but <whites to join their party.

    I don't know the BNP but I suspect that they meant that the BNP is seen incorrectly as a whites only party – which it is not. Thus they do not expect many people of African of Asian heritage to join. The reason being bias on the part of the non-white component of the population and not the BNP.

    <So when you can give me something concrete – then I will change my <position. But, false bravado is much more harmful than telling them the <ruth about Europe. If Europeans and Brits are willing to face the harsh <realities – then maybe there will be a coordinated effort to toss the corrupt <politicians, and rid Europe of Islam. That’s if they can do anything <meaningful – without being spotted by one of the millions of cameras <hroughout the UK.

    Firstly there is a lot of work to do before this problem is resolved.
    Do not view anything I say as false bravado – many of us work quite hard to ensure that both non-muslims and muslims realise what is happening and what is going to happen if the islamists are allowed to continue. Have already been in conflict with the islamists on a few fronts. I also make the point that we need to be proactive rather than reactive. You want to be useful – then start working on the media because that is now the key issue. Whinging about how all will be lost because of your limited picture of many key issues helps no one.

    Okay I have said my piece and I think that you are way off in your fears – we can recover all that we are in danger of loosing if we control our politicians. We are now in a war – but we need to work with each other, we need to influence the media, and we need to regain our politics from the PC morons who are currently infecting our systems, We can do this if we can regain control of the media – and planning a civil war does not help at this stage!!
    You seem to have idea so start working in this direction – something useful will certainly come – but waving the white flag is not what we should ever do!!

  17. Kaw – I’ve read your responses. I am not waving a white flag of surrender. I am trying to get you, and others to wake up. I have been working on the media and government for years. You have no idea what I do. I fully understand your anger and frustration – but you are directing it towards the wrong person – you are shooting the messenger. Direct your anger towards the individuals who have created this mess, and continue to enable it.

    I’m not the one promoting civil war – others are throughout the EU. I don’t think civil war is the answer, because they will lose for reasons stated above. But despite what I think – it is coming.

    What does one do when the government, military and police force is working against decent law abiding citizens, and are in bed with Islam? Should people quietly submit, like the Jews submitted to the Nazis?

    When civil war breaks out – the chances of success are nil. That’s why I’ve raised the issue. If people are foolish enough to want civil war – then they need to train – not sit at their computers talking about how they will crush Muslim scum. Talk is cheap.

    However, the route you are suggesting isn’t the answer either. Do you understand the structure of the EU? Everything has been done to make the system work for the elites – and against European citizens. Changing politicians in Whitehall, will not have any impact on the organization of the EU. It will only delude you into thinking it has made a difference. Read the documents regarding the structure of the EU. If you don’t want to do that – read Fjordman’s work.

    The west is moving too slowly regarding Islam, and if it continues on this path they will lose. Most citizens are still unaware, and those who do understand the challenges, are still sitting at their computers projecting false bravado.

    You still believe the old way of doing things will solve all problems. It wont. It’s not the same system – it has been deliberately corrupted by politicians. That is a fools game, and a dangerous one.

    Actually, in a peculiar way, it is you who is waving a white flag of surrender. You talk about Jews doing that during the 30’s. What should they have done differently? They worked within the law, they tried talking to the Nazis. How did that work out for them? You say they died because a military was turned against them. What do you think the situation is now, with politicians and governments that are in bed with Islam? Do you really believe that the military won’t be turned against citizens like you, who refuse to submit to their Marxist ideology and/or Islam?

    Are you aware of how many citizens in Europe have been charged for daring to speak out against Islam. What about Stephen Gash’s arrest several months ago, for organizing a peaceful protest. The government is working against freedom, not for it. In France it is now illegal to photograph the burning of cars, because doing so creates social disharmony. Think about that. The riots aren’t creating disharmony – photos are. The authorities don’t want people to know or talk about the situation with Islam. Why do you think they want the truth hidden?

    What politicians in Whitehall will agree to the deportation of Muslims? Name one, other than Griffin. Even if there were 100 politicians who would agree to deportations – the structure of the EU and pending EU/Med deal is of greater importance to the elites – not what is best for countries or citizens.

    My family originates from the Bradford area. The last time I checked Bradford in now supposedly 80% Muslim. How would you return Bradford to what it used to be? How would you make it safe for the remaining non-Muslims?

    What about Paris? Frequent riots, and car burnings. What would you do to stop these things? Talking hasn’t worked. Appeasing, and financing the Muslim community hasn’t worked either. What would you do?

    What about the Friday prayers on the streets of Paris, where citizens are prohibited from leaving or entering their homes during these prayer sessions, and businesses are not allowed to operate? What would you do to resolve this problem?

    What about the never-ending list of attacks, gang rapes, or murders of non-Muslims? How would you stop these attacks? How many people have to die before something is done? How long are you willing to wait for change? A week doesn’t pass without someone being attacked by Muslim gangs. How many young girls are you willing to sacrifice to brutal gang rapes, on the alter of working with the system? How would you feel if your ten year old son was attacked by one of these gangs walking home from school, and is now permanently disabled?

    I have no answers. But, I do know that what we are doing isn’t working. We are moving way too slowly. Your approach won’t resolve the problems fast enough. Civil war isn’t the solution. So what is the answer to these very serious, and deadly problems, when the majority of politicians, particularly in Europe are working with the enemy?

    I apologize in advance if there are any typos, or I haven’t phrased things well. I’m having trouble with my eyes today, and have been typing this with blurry eyes.

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