"Classical Arabic" in Oxford Misunderstood….

Harry’s Place:

Update from this story:

The student who appeared to shout “Slaughter the Jews” at Israeli minister Danny Ayalon has claimed the Deputy Foreign minister misunderstood his Arabic.

The Oxford Student newspaper has named the protester as second year St Edmund’s Hall student Noor Rashid.

Several eyewitnesses said they heard Mr Rashid shout: “Itbah Al-Yahud”, an Arabic phrase meaning “Slaughter the Jews”. Mr Ayalon translated the phrase with this meaning.

Khaybar, Khaybar ya yahoud

But Mr Rashid claimed that he had in fact shouted “Khaybar ya Yahod”, a classic Arabic battle cry referring to a seventh-century attack by Mohammed on the Jewish community in Khaybar where the Jews were conquered and made to pay half of their income to the Muslim population.

They were finally expelled by a successive Muslim ruler, Caliph Omar.

So, let’s get this straight.

Noor Rashid was heard to shout “Kill the Jews”

No no no, responds Noor Rashid. He merely wished to remind Jews of the way that Muslims, led by Mohammed, used to conquer, kill and dominate Jews.

Whether the word was “Khaybar” or “Itbah”, the meaning was essentially the same. Except the “Khaybar” version brings in Mohammed to endorse the killing and enslavement of Jews by Muslims.

In other words, Noor Rashid has admitted to shouting something even worse than “Kill the Jews”.

Mr Rashid said: “My version went: ‘Khaybar, O Jews, we will win’. This is in classical, Koranic Arabic and I doubt that apart from picking up on the word ‘Jew’, that even the Arabic speakers in the room would have understood the phrase.

Ah, I see. The ‘classical Koranic Arabic’ defence!

“As you can see, I made no reference to killing Jews. It carries absolutely no derogatory or secondary meanings.”

Indeed. The message it carries is not derogatory. It is worse than that. “Khaybar ya Yahood” is a religiously backed threat to repeat a slaughter of Jews.

But you know what? I don’t believe he did shout “Khaybar” rather than “Itbah”. I think he is lying in a pathetic attempt to save his own skin.

Mr Rashid said he believed the words ‘Jew’ and ‘Israeli’ were interchangeable terms.

Mr Rashid is utter utter scum.

“I express the deepest regret if my remarks were misunderstood or misheard to mean anything that even comes close to encouraging the slaughter of innocents. I will be writing letters to all my Jewish friends to express my sincere apologies, and also to clarify my remarks.”

Yeah, to your best friends who are Jewish.

Forgive my cynicism, but I don’t think it is unfair to suggest that there is a weasel use of the word “innocent” here.

Mark Gardner from the CST is quoted as saying:

“The police should still continue with their investigation. It is about time incitement was treated as such. We are very quick to charge neo-Nazis with incitement, which is right of course, but there appears to be an increasing distinct double standard.”

We will see. I fully expect the CPS to prosecute, and for Teddy Hall to expel Noor Rashid.

There is more. Read it all

Here’s a personal account from one who was there>>

And here’s another:

Noor Rashid reminds me: Khaybar was originally Jewish, by universal acknowledgment.

I therefore demand the unconditional return of Khaybar to its rightful owners, and the right of all the Khaybar refugees (using the UNRWA definition) to return to their ancestral home. Since Muhammad failed to keep careful records, it will be for we victims of the Khaybar genocide to determine who is or might be a descendent for the purposes of return. Further, I demand reparations for the 1400 years of lost revenue from regional trade and date farming, and a formal admission by the Saudi religious authorities that Muhammad and his followers were guilty of aggression and ethnic cleansing

Once that’s done, we can begin to negotiate an agreement over the rights and wrongs of the battle.

10 thoughts on “"Classical Arabic" in Oxford Misunderstood….”

  1. Astonishing. Two battle chants, perfectly indistinguishable in terms of the sheer hate and murderous intent expressed. He hasn’t exonerated himself; instead, he’s dug an even deeper hole for himself.

    St Edmund’s Hall should be booting his Jew-hating murder-minded a** out of there. He should be, as they used to say in the old days, ‘sent down’, in disgrace; followed by expulsion from Britain.

    If he is NOT, then St Edmund’s Hall, Oxford University, and Britain itself stand condemned of collaboration in Jew-hatred.

    Who will remind them of the *other* favourite Arab Muslim battle-chant – ‘First the Saturday people, THEN THE SUNDAY PEOPLE’? Jew-hating Muslims are also Christian-hating Muslims; and Muslims have never, historically, stopped at hating and shouting slogans, but have always proceeded to acts of extreme physical aggression against those they hate, the moment that – locally or regionally – they felt strong enough to do so and get away with it.

  2. “In other words, Noor Rashid has admitted to shouting something even worse than “Kill the Jews”.”

    More like, “exterminate”, or “the final solution”.

    What I find quite ironic is that a huge number of mozies are in fact descendants of Jewish converts. I know one from Yemen.

    There was talk back in the early nineties that the ruling family in Kuwait (Sabbah) are of that stock. Their name is a derivative of the hebrew word Sabboth (sabbath). There might be an element of truth in it.

  3. Dumbledoresarmy..thanks for reminding me of First the Saturday people and then the Sunday people..I had not heard this for quite some time.
    Muslims endlessly split hairs..I said this ..I did not say this..I did not mean that etc..It is one of their weapons..endless time wasting.
    Recently, I found myself in a pre -op area of our local womens hospital where a drama queen , attention seeking muslim woman was getting all this special treatment we local women were not getting. I have made a complaint to the local health chief..he is on about six hundred thousand a year so should have answers for me. I had heard some time back that muslim women got special treatment there but I had never been an inpatient before. This is of course where they push out about ten babies apiece.
    If you google muslim preferential treatment you will find they get preferential treatment in almost every walk of life in western countries..even muslim paedos get special treatment. It is as if they put a spell on people..hardly any western people can say no to them.
    Some time back, on this site there was an excellent statement made by the Chinese last century on how to deal with them..it is precisely our niceness , our politeness which is our downfall…..no wonder Britain , the home of ”manners” is such a mess.
    Sorry to be so off topic..still recovering and wanting to get this out there about preferential treatment.
    I have recently read Thomas Keneally’s Shindlers Ark..Very sad to know that anti-semitism is at its highest level since WW11 but great to know that Berlosconi wants Isreal to be part of the EU.
    Surely this man can be charged..oh thats right..race hate laws are only for whitey.

  4. Here’s Robert Spencer:

    Student shouting “slaughter the Jews” at Israeli official’s speech claims he was misunderstood

    This again: yet another sleazy Islamic supremacist claims he was “misunderstood.” You would think that after awhile they’d be too embarrassed to bring out this tired, lame excuse yet again, but they seem to be immune from embarrassment.

    And compounding the problem here is that his explanation hardly makes matters better. He is counting on his audience not knowing anything about Khaybar. Among jihadis the slogan is familiar: “Khaybar, Khaybar, ya Yahoud, jaish Muhammad sa yaoud” — that is, “Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Muhammad will return.”

    Khaybar. As I explain in my book The Truth About Muhammad, Muhammad led a Muslim force against the Khaybar oasis, which was inhabited by Jews — many of whom he had previously exiled from Medina. When he did so, he was not responding to any provocation. One of the Muslims later remembered: “When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him….We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, ‘Muhammad with his force,’ and turned tail and fled. The apostle said, ‘Allah Akbar! Khaybar is destroyed. When we arrive in a people’s square it is a bad morning for those who have been warned.'”

    The Muslim advance was inexorable. “The apostle,” according to Muhammad’s earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, “seized the property piece by piece and conquered the forts one by one as he came to them.” Another biographer of Muhammad, Ibn Sa’d, reports that the battle was fierce: the “polytheists…killed a large number of [Muhammad’s] Companions and he also put to death a very large number of them….He killed ninety-three men of the Jews…” Muhammad and his men offered the fajr prayer, the Islamic dawn prayer, before it was light, and then entered Khaybar itself. The Muslims immediately set out to locate the inhabitants’ wealth. A Jewish leader of Khaybar, Kinana bin al-Rabi, was brought before Muhammad; Kinana was supposed to have been entrusted with the treasure of on of the Jewish tribes of Arabia, the Banu Nadir. Kinana denied knowing where this treasure was, but Muhammad pressed him: “Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?” Kinana said yes, that he did know that.

    Some of the treasure was found. To find the rest, Muhammad gave orders concerning Kinana: “Torture him until you extract what he has.” One of the Muslims built a fire on Kinana’s chest, but Kinana would not give up his secret. When he was at the point of death, one of the Muslims beheaded him. Kinana’s wife was taken as a war prize; Muhammad claimed her for himself and hastily arranged a wedding ceremony that night. He halted the Muslims’ caravan out of Khaybar later that night in order to consummate the marriage.

    Muhammad agreed to let the people of Khaybar to go into exile, allowing them to keep as much of their property as they could carry. The Prophet of Islam, however, commanded them to leave behind all their gold and silver. He had intended to expel all of them, but some, who were farmers, begged him to allow them to let them stay if they gave him half their yield annually. Muhammad agreed: “I will allow you to continue here, so long as we would desire.” He warned them: “If we wish to expel you we will expel you.” They no longer had any rights that did not depend upon the good will and sufferance of Muhammad and the Muslims. And indeed, when the Muslims discovered some treasure that some of the Khaybar Jews had hidden, he ordered the women of the tribe enslaved and seized the perpetrators’ land. A hadith notes that “the Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives.”

    Thus when modern-day jihadists invoke Khaybar, as this hate mailer did indirectly by echoing the familiar chant about Muhammad’s Army, they are doing much more than just recalling the glory days of Islam and its prophet. They are recalling an aggressive, surprise raid by Muhammad which resulted in the final eradication of the once considerable Jewish presence in Arabia. To the jihadists, Khaybar means the destruction of the Jews and the seizure of their property by the Muslims.

    That’s what Noor Rashid is now claiming that he did say. This is supposed to reassure us.

    An update on this story. “Student says ‘slaughter the Jews’ remark was misunderstood,” by Donald Macintyre in The Independent, via JW

    And here’s Hugh Fitzgerald:

    Mr Rashid told Oxford Student: “My version went: ‘Khaybar, O Jews, we will win’. This is in classical, Qur’anic Arabic and I doubt that apart from picking up on the word ‘Jew’, that even the Arabic speakers in the room would have understood the phrase.

    “As you can see, I made no reference to killing Jews.” he said, adding that ‘Jew’ and ‘Israel’ were interchangeable terms. Mr Rashid said the remark carried “absolutely no derogatory or secondary meanings.”
    — from the article above, quoting Noor Rashid, a student (how? why? of what? to what end?), the man who uttered what was the equivalent of a death threat

    There is not a Muslim in that audience or around the world who would not have understood the reference to Khaybar at once, and who would know exactly what that meant.

    Just go to MEMRITV, or look atr any Muslim website, or listen at the speeches of any Muslim clerics on television or, for that matter, the tissue of allusions to the main facts of Muhammad’s life that are the stuff of everyday easy allusion, in conversations public and private all over the Muslim, and especially Muslim Arab lands. And it’s true of all their political figures — just look, for example, at how easily, say, Yassir Arafat could mention to an audience of Muslims in Johannesburg, “Al Hudaibiyya” which was a way of signalling — don’t worry, we have no intention of honoring those promises we made, we’ll carry on the war, renew the war, just as soon as we feel able, just like Muhammad with the Meccans, deceiving them with the agreement made with them at Hudaibiyya.

    This Noor Rashid, in mentioning Khaybar, is alluding to the mass murder pf Jews by Muslims, looting of their poroperty, and the seizure of their women who were then forced, like a girl whose father, brother, and husband had been killed, who became the concubine of that Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, Muhammad himself. And Noor Rashid has followed his bloodcurdling death threat with a transparent attempt to lie, and also, in lying, to rely on the ignorance, and the stupidity, of his Infidel audience. ‘

    Shall those Infidels confirm him in his utter contempt for them? Shall Oxford do the right thing, and expel this Stormtrooper from their midst, and make sure that the other Muslim students begin to understand that we in the West are not their playthings, and they will have to behave in a less primitive manner, in our countries, if not in their own? And if they happen to have acquired citizenship in our countries, that means they must conform to our legal and political institutions, and permanently. Citizenship can be granted, and citizenship can be taken away, when it becomes a thing, or perhaps for some people always was, a meaningless thing, merely a way of staying in a particular geographic location and working against everything the indigenous population, and the ancestors of that population, managed to create, and that could not for one minute have been created, under Islam.

    Muslims such as Tariq Ramadan like to think they are in Europe, and there “to stay.” He, Tariq Ramadan, insists that “it’s all over” — meaning, we are here, our numbers are growing, you don’t dare, you can’t possibly do anything to change or stop that. Of course the non-Muslim natives of Europe can do many things, if they come to their senses in time, and prove the colubrine Tariq Ramadan wrong.

    And of course, if it is not afraid — is it afraid? — to offend those rich Arabs, the ones who so selectively donate (as in buying for Tariq Ramadan a “professorship” at the University of Cambridge), for fear that they will not contribute? But they don’t contribute, in any real sense, to the academic standards or moral standards, of Great Britain any way. Western hirelings of the Arabs and Muslims should not have their numbers swelled by Oxford lecturers and professors and administrators, unwilling to do the right thing.

    Let’s see what, if anything, happens to Noor Rashid. If nothing happens, if his attempt to shout down a speaker, and call for blood, then followed by an obvious lie,goes unpunished, that will be telling.

  5. I find it totally incredible that a POS barbarian like this has found his way to Oxford.Unless the general population of the western world wakes up and acts accordingly we are in for a biblical type holocaust that was never foreseen or thought about. WAKE UP.

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