TONY JONES: Okay. And Patrick McGorry, finally to you. I mean you seem to be reflecting on the way the conversation is going. I’m just interested on your thoughts.

PATRICK MCGORRY: Well, I think a number of points have come out. Look, it’s an upstream problem. You know, it’s a massive worldwide problem. When Senator Fielding says, you know, there are large numbers coming, actually in world terms there are a couple of thousand on Christmas Island. It seems like a lot because there’s been an increase but if you look at it in world terms, Australia itself takes 130,000 people plus into the country every single year. So we’ve got – it hasn’t been looked at in a logical way, this issue, because it’s been politicised for the last 15 years or so. I just don’t think the media, the politicians, the community have really had a logical look at this issue.