Merkel takes her views to Turkey, returns with Erdogans…. (views)

Conversion is next, by the looks of it….

What, no hijab?

Islamist would-be caliph Tayyip Erdogan must have taken German chancellor Angela Merkels to the cleaners,  where they did a bit of good old fashioned Islamo-fascist brainwashing on her:

Before she went, she told Germans that there wouldn’t be any Turkish (Islamic) universities in Germany. Now, upon her return, she’s not so sure anymore:  from PI (in German)

For the Turks, however, it is Islam and nothing but Islam, because nothing else matters….

Touching on the importance of religion, Celik said that the first goal should be to teach Islam from the right source.   If Islam is taught from the right source, there will not be any problems regarding dialogue among religions and co-existence, Celik underlined.

Looks like the “white peace pigeon” failed to impress: Merkel gives Turkish PM “white peace pigeon”

Back in Germany, however, even the far left teachers union shows signs of resistance:

German Teachers’ Association: Turks Must Assimilate

From last Friday’s Hanover Zeitung, as reported in Europe News:

German Teachers’ Association Attacks Turkish Premier Erdogan

The president of the Teachers’ Association, Josef Kraus, has expressed strong disapproval of Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s push for Turkish high schools in Germany. “That is unacceptable and anti-integration, to the disadvantage of young Turks living here,” said Kraus to the Rheinische Post.

The Gates of Vienna has more>>

25 thoughts on “Merkel takes her views to Turkey, returns with Erdogans…. (views)”

  1. This essay might as well be here

    The Immigration Jihad
    Several hundred years ago when the forces of Islam wanted to capture Vienna, they came with the sword and the cannon and laid siege to the city walls. Today they simply take a plane. While Vienna was able to resist repeated sieges, it was not able to resist Islamic immigration, and as a result the city looks a good deal more the way it would have had it fallen to an actual siege. Today as much as a third of Vienna is of foreign origin. And as many as 50 percent of Viennese schoolchildren have a non-German language as their mother tongue.

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2010/03 … jihad.html

    This problem is well known to us for a long while now.

    The question is, how do we save ourselves without destroying ourselves, or without admitting that in a free and fair fight, we were defeated and Islam won. This means the following rules towards Muslims in the West.

    1. No force or compulsion as regards the practice of their religion.

    2. No forced repatriations of people who are citizens.

    Breaking any of the above two rules means that we have breached our own rules of fair play and tolerance, i.e., we have broken our own society, as well admitted, that in a free and fair fight within a system and rules of our own making, we were defeated and Islam has won.

    The problem is compounded that whatever is done, must be done soon. Twenty years from now is too late.

  2. Answers please.

    They must be reasoned, rational, not illegal or amoral, and do not break civilised laws, or even laws that we do not have but could be deemed as intolerant. Any solution offered must not target Muslims in the West, as that would be discriminatory.

  3. “DP111 March 30, 2010 at 10:42 am
    Answers please.”

    You have just enunciated our great strength and great weakness as a society!
    Our very tolerance has made us vulnerable to the most intolerant cult!

    Therefore we have to step outside this box we have made ourselves to find solutions!

    And the solution is to realise that we are fighting a different war now that requires different strategies.
    We are fighting a war within!
    A war behind our lines!
    We cannot have colateral damage!
    But we must fight this war!
    We have to use every statute, every law!
    We have to make new laws!

  4. Dhumme Dhimmi

    Thanks.

    You are though implying that we break our own rules of a liberal and tolerant society to deal with the present internal threat. Your arguement, I suppose rests on the principle, that we do this in war time, WWII for instance, when normal constitutional liberties had to be curtailed for the period of the war.
    Is that your argument?

    If so fine, but even in WWII, we did not forcibly and permanently deport those who we considered enemy aliens, specially so if they were citizens who had done no harm.

    The problem we have is not the Jihadis but the population of Muslims. Once they reach 40% of the total, then transfer to sharia begins in earnest.

    Problem re-stated : We have to make Muslims voluntarily quit the West, without us demanding anything from them, or encouraging them to leave, or making any laws that are discriminatory to Muslims or Islam.

    Any departure from the above means that we have broken the rules of our own society, as it was incapable of competing with Islam in our own system, and by our own rules.

    Tough eh? But there has to be a way.

  5. PS

    Muslims are not waging war on us in the traditional way – not the kind that will lead to sharia in the West. Its just that their increasing numbers means that sharia will be instituted in the fullness of time. This form of warfare in not illegal in any way. In fact it is not illegal at all, but that does not mean we do not realise its implications.

    So the problem really boils down to

    Problem re- re-stated : We have to make Muslims voluntarily quit the West, without us demanding anything from them, or encouraging them to leave, or making any laws that are discriminatory to Muslims or Islam.

    There is no other way.

  6. Merkel was intimidated.
    Anyone who attempts to speak out against Islamic leaders is intimidated, lied to, persecuted to the point of accepting their opinions.
    Our politicians are hopeless and it is time that we raised the bar by taking Islam to a world court…the Hague.
    I think if Islam was put on trial for ” Xenophobia and non-compassion for non-Islamic peoples, cultures, laws and customs” and represented by knowledgeable legal counsel, well educated on the abberations of Islamic thought based on the Koran we could win the case.
    Islam must be put on trial.
    Our politicians do not know how to deal with Islamic politicians because they are uneducated… or should I say “mis-educated”?

  7. DP111 sez:

    “Muslims are not waging war on us in the traditional way – not the kind that will lead to sharia in the West. Its just that their increasing numbers means that sharia will be instituted in the fullness of time. This form of warfare in not illegal in any way. In fact it is not illegal at all…”

    Muslims are not waging war on us in the traditional way, check.
    It will lead to sharia in the West and as you may know, sharia courts already operate in the UK. In other countries they operate illegally.

    “This form of warfare in not illegal in any way. In fact it is not illegal at all…”

    Subversion & high treason, conspiring to overthrow the government is not only illegal, but highly criminal. So are acts of terrorism.

    Our existing laws are not applied when it comes to Muslims.

    The question is, why not?

    We will never “make Muslims voluntarily quit the West, without us demanding anything from them, or encouraging them to leave, or making any laws that are discriminatory to Muslims or Islam.”

    Muslims are commanded to kill & die for allah to make their religion dominant. That is their single purpose in life, they breed for that and see their children as “martyrs” for the cause. If you think we can rid our countries of these invading, parasitic & barbaric armies (that’s what they are) without breaking eggs, you are dreaming.

  8. sheikyermami wrote: Subversion & high treason, conspiring to overthrow the government is not only illegal, but highly criminal. So are acts of terrorism.

    Indeed they are. For such people, the normal rules apply. They can be tried, sentenced, and if the crime is treason, their citizenship can be withdrawn, and then they are permanently deported.

    But the vast majority of Muslims, the ones whose increasing numbers will lead to to the application of sharria in a legal manner, are not engaging in such acts.

    So back we are to the same problem. How do you get virtually all Muslims to leave voluntarily, because they find living in the West totally abhorrent to them, without us passing any laws, or any suc, that is discriminatory?

  9. DP111:

    ” For such people, the normal rules apply. They can be tried, sentenced, and if the crime is treason, their citizenship can be withdrawn, and then they are permanently deported.”

    We are not doing that.

    There are no “normal rules”, our laws are not applied.

    I believe I answered the rest already. You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs.

  10. “DP111 March 30, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    PS

    Muslims are not waging war on us in the traditional way – not the kind that will lead to sharia in the West. Its just that their increasing numbers means that sharia will be instituted in the fullness of time. This form of warfare in not illegal in any way. In fact it is not illegal at all, but that does not mean we do not realise its implications.”

    DP111, the West is only just becoming knowledgeable about the full extent of islam [1,400 years]. This tactic of “increasing [their] numbers means that sharia will be instituted in the fullness of time.” will need to be accepted as a war strategy and a counter-attack accepted as legitimate war action in complete harmony with our “liberal and tolerant society” no matter how long it has been allowed to foment. After all the West have the deadliest armies in the world. We are eventually successful when we are politically allowed to complete the task. It is just that the recognition of that fact has not happened yet.
    We are getting there though. This stupid labor government will ditch ‘multiculturism’ as soon as it sniffs that it is a millstone around its electoral neck.
    Our tactics need to match and eliminate their tactics.
    LEGAL COUNTER JIHAD. Starting from the local government legal arena right through to the U.N. We had better hurry up though! ‘They’ have had a 40 year head start on us, if we take into account the formation of the O.I.C. in 1969.

  11. sheikyermami wrote: We are not doing that. There are no “normal rules”, our laws are not applied.

    I agree. But even if these rules were applied, it does not affect the strategic situation. The Jihadis are relatively small in number, and they are being caught and punished. However, the threat to the continued existence of any western country comes from a majority of Muslims, who for the most part are law abiding. It is their numbers, when large enough, that will decide to impose sharia.

    As these Muslims are for the most part law abiding and good citizens, how is one to stop them voting for a Muslim party that campaigns to impose sharia. If such a party wins the election, we are done. As the demographics indicate, this is bound to happen sooner or later.

    Sheikh wrote: I believe I answered the rest already. You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs.

    From which I gather that you are willing to take extraordinary measures against a people who have broken no law, except have more children then the rest.

    If we deport them just because we do not like the way they live or have larger families, we have broken our own rules. In effect it is an admission that we have lost the game, even while playing at home, and by rules that we wrote.

    Is that it? The greatest civilisation in history, and we call it quits the moment the chips are down.

    Yet, we have to find a way. How?

    1. DP111,

      You answered your own questions:

      The Jihadis are relatively small in number,

      (how would you know that? Islam demands that every man, women and able child participates in jihad. Besides, there are many ways to wage jihad, not only terrorizing the unbelievers. For example Jihad by the pen, by doing da’awa, jihad with money, zakat, spying, sabotage, by abusing the welfare system, illegal migration, engaging in criminal activity, litigation jihad, making absurd demands like here, fraud, theft…etc)

      and they are being caught and punished.

      Hardly. We don’t even apply the death penalty. We fry them halal burgers instead.

      However, the threat to the continued existence of any western country comes from a majority of Muslims, who for the most part are law abiding.

      Which law are they abiding by? The sharia? The law of outbreeding, laying in waiting and overcoming the kafirs when the time is right?

      It is their numbers, when large enough, that will decide to impose sharia.

      There you go.

      If we deport them just because we do not like the way they live or have larger families, we have broken our own rules.

      its our house. We make the laws, we are not obliged to follow the Koran.

      In effect it is an admission that we have lost the game, even while playing at home, and by rules that we wrote.

      We lose if we don’t fight. We lose if we let it happen. The Armenians lost. The Christians lost in the Middle East. The Buddhists lost. The Zaroastrians and the Bahai are all but wiped out. The Jews lost when the Nazis exterminated them.

      Why would you not resort to “extraordinary measures” when your life and everything you hold dear is at stake?

  12. Dhumme Dhimmi March 30, 2010 at 9:26 pm
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    “DP111 March 30, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    PS

    Muslims are not waging war on us in the traditional way – not the kind that will lead to sharia in the West. Its just that their increasing numbers means that sharia will be instituted in the fullness of time. This form of warfare in not illegal in any way. In fact it is not illegal at all, but that does not mean we do not realise its implications.”

    DP111, the West is only just becoming knowledgeable about the full extent of islam [1,400 years]. This tactic of “increasing [their] numbers means that sharia will be instituted in the fullness of time.” will need to be accepted as a war strategy and a counter-attack accepted as legitimate war action in complete harmony with our “liberal and tolerant society” no matter how long it has been allowed to foment…

  13. …After all the West have the deadliest armies in the world. We are eventually successful when we are politically allowed to complete the task. It is just that the recognition of that fact has not happened yet.
    We are getting there though. This stupid labor government will ditch ‘multiculturism’ as soon as it sniffs that it is a millstone around its electoral neck…

  14. Sheik, I notice that my comments end up in the ether for a while when you are submitting your articles. It seems that small comments have more success.

  15. DP111
    It is time to turn nasty! The wrong point of view is .. we cannot do anything because it is against our ethics. The correct point of view is that: we must do something or our children suffer. There are no perfect solutions: only optimal ones. So yes – it is time to be nasty. Only a fools plays by the rules if doing so will destroy him.

  16. …Our tactics need to match and eliminate their tactics.
    LEGAL COUNTER JIHAD. Starting from the local government legal arena right through to the U.N. We had better hurry up though! ‘They’ have had a 40 year head start on us, if we take into account the formation of the O.I.C. in 1969.

  17. kaw and sheikh

    Both of you then agree that we have to take extraordinary measures against Western Muslims now, because we know, that in future, the descendents of these people will become an existential problem, by voting for sharia.

    So we have to break our constitutional arrangements now, on grounds that the future descendents of Muslims will become a serious problem in the future.

    How is one to realistically achieve this? This is the problem with Laurence Auster’s policy of ‘Separationism’ – it requires draconian extra-constitutional measures for a problem that may occur in the future (I know and am convinced that it will, but that is not the issue).

    Sheikh wrote: We lose if we don’t fight. We lose if we let it happen. The Armenians lost. The Christians lost in the Middle East. The Buddhists lost. The Zaroastrians and the Bahai are all but wiped out. The Jews lost when the Nazis exterminated them.

    Good. The only problem now is how to move to a full scale war scenario?

    1. We won’t see a full scale war scenario because that’s not how this war is waged.

      This is jihad, which means terror, obfuscation, denials, subversion, da’awa, more terror, more denial, more conversions, more immigration, more mosques, more terror, more denial, more jiziya, more carbeques, more “marginalized youths”, more terror, more denial, more infiltration, more muslim lawyers, muslim politicians, police, more no go zones, more censorship, more hate speech laws, more jiziya, more terror and so on and on and on….. its a steady grind, a work in progress.

      You can see it in Lebanon, it didn’t happen over night, its little by little, attack after attack after attack, the same in Egypt, when they kidnap the daughters of the Christian Copts and forcibly marry them to Muslims. Only when the infidels openly resist the slow jihad, then the knives come out and the Mohammedans go into slaughter mode. Australia got a taste of it after the so called Cronulla riots, when large numbers of Allah-bots came charging out of the mosques and went on a (little reported) rampage.

      The enemy is within ourselves. The “racist” BS propaganda in the media did (and still does) huge damage to our cause. The Howard government promoted that nonsense and the country gobbled it up. The conflation of Islam with race is a disaster. Fortunately, it only works in a few places, (Italians, Germans, French don’t buy it) I believe the UK must be the worst.

      SEPARATIONISM

      Of course! When it comes to that I find myself in total agreement with Hugh Fitzgerald.

  18. In full agreement with you Sheik – however when these islamic freaks push pass the boundaries we must be ready to respond. And that will mean being very nasty!

  19. DP111
    We need to make sure that our media is not working for the islamists, and secondly that the PC pressure on the courts to be soft on these islamic scum is removed. This means that we need to look very carefully at our politicians, We need to remove muslims from positions in the public service, we need to remove muslims from advisory groups for the police and civil institutions. All of this can be done, but it is best done through our political system. We need to cap the muslim birthrate – this means NO financial support to muslim families with more than one child for example. I see capping the muslim birthrate as critical. I would also close all muslim education facilities and place all mosques under automated supervision.

  20. Good news today in the Italian elections..so called far right advancement..far right really means nationalism. Nationalism is the natural response to islamification.

  21. When Europe becomes EURABIA, the Europeans will regret that they did nothing much earlier to save the countries of Europe. This is not a war that can stop at the Gates of Vienna or at the Spanish Alps or by Chrlemagne. This is a fully determined insidious and surreptitious war to take over the whole world and bring everyone under veils, burqas, amputation and stoning.

    It is stupefying that the Europeans are acting and behaving like nincompoops not realising even now of the danger that they are getting into. There is no compassion or love or peace in the Islamic mind. It is merely uttered to keep fools at bay until it is too late to do anything.

    Bring them under the boot and make them convert and follow European traditions and culture and religion or SEND THEM BACK from where they came before IT IS TOO LATE.

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