Saudi cleric behind adult-suckling fatwa is "adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice"

Islamic Science at its best:

More on this story. Of course, it bears repeating as often as possible that this was Muhammad’s idea. And it sure is funny how “misunderstanders” of Islam in various ways keep popping up in such high places. “Saudi clerics issue fatwa okaying adult breast-feeding as way of circumventing Islamic law,” by Paulina Reso for the New York Daily News, June 9 (thanks to JW):

Kissing cousins? Not quite.

Gross.

While it has been common for women to breast-feed their young male relations so that they may be allowed together alone later, two Saudi clerics recently advocated extending the practice to unrelated adult males.

As part of Islamic law, men and women are forbidden to be alone together, unless they are blood relatives or have established maternal relations, in order to prevent sexual contact.

As a way to avoid breaking this rule — which can result in lashings or prison time — Sheikh Al Obeikan, adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, told Gulf News that women should give their breast milk to male colleagues, acquaintances or anyone with whom they come into regular contact.

“The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman,” Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News. “He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam’s rules about mixing.”

While Al Obeikan advises that milk should be pumped and then given in a glass, another Saudi sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, argues that men should suckle directly.

To our You Can’t Make This Stuff Up Department: Take the rest of the day off, you’ve been through enough.

Soon after these proclamations, a Saudi bus driver allegedly asked a female teacher, whom he drives frequently, for her breast milk, according to AOL News. The teacher refused and is threatening to sue.

This fatwa, which has sparked controversy and disapproval, has prompted some to call for stricter constraints on law making.

Comment:

The first sentence of the story should be bolded for emphasis:

“While it has been common for women to breast-feed their young male relations so that they may be allowed together alone later…”

One assumes the reporter is not being sloppy, and accurately reported that as breast-feed (and not the rule of the fatwa — “[t]he man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman”). This means it’s common in Saudi (and probably generally in Muslim) society for male cousins and nephews qualified as “young” to suck on their breasts. And how “young” is “young”? Are we talking teenage boys? Even if not teenage, it’s sick. Yet another aspect of the perversion of Muslim society, and a glimpse into the strange psyche of the Muslim male in his relationship to the female sex. Some Freudian should really study Muslim sexuality in all its grotesque permutations.

While Al Obeikan advises that milk should be pumped and then given in a glass, another Saudi sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, argues that men should suckle directly.

Hugh Fitzgerald:

In the United States we have vast “Got Milk” campaigns, where boys are promised they will grow up to be big and strong and attract girls, and girls are told they will grow up to be beautiful, and with a healthy glow, if they Get That Milk.

And in Saudi Arabia, women are told that if they squeeze their own breast milk into bottles, and send it around to all of their family’s male acquaintances and friends (why, your husband can bring a bottle to work, and distribute it to his fellow male workers) then later on, the woman in question can meet, without any fear of arousing suspicion or scorn, with all the men who have tasted that milk.

What’s the difference? As any Defender of Islam who comes to this site can tell you, there is no difference at all. In both cases, milk performs a useful social role.

To think otherwise would be to show that one has culture-bound blinkers on, and to invite ridicule. Why, next you’ll be saying that women should not be required to wear black chadors or abayas or niqabs in the 120 degree heat of Arabia and Iran. But just think — would such a rule, outwardly so counter-intuitive, ever have been made by Muslim Arabs if, given how excruciatingly hot such clothes must be in the Middle East, unless there were a very good reason for it, and the only good enough would be if Allah wanted it thus.

So on the subject of that breast-milk, please don’t be so judgmental.

Don’t be lactose intolerant.

9 thoughts on “Saudi cleric behind adult-suckling fatwa is "adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice"”

  1. Yes there is a difference, in America by doing that you are not violating any human rights while in Muslim countries women mainly don’t have rights. Please don’t play stupid.

  2. They are looking for an excuse to abuse women more. Muslim men are abusers of women that is what they are. There is no other way to put it and it is in their DNA apparently.
    All women should flee out of those countries or start a revolution. This kind of thinking should be erradicated from the world. There you go MF.

  3. In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

    Let us first look at the translation of the Hadith mentioned in the Sahih of Imam Muslim and elsewhere:

    Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reports that Sahla bint Suhayl came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and said: “O Messenger of Allah! I see on the face of Abu Hudhayfa (signs of dislike) on the entering of Salim, who is an ally, (into our house). The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Suckle him.” She said: “How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) smiled and said: “I already know that he is a young man.” (Sahih Muslim, no: 1453)

    Another version of this Hadith is as follows:

    Sayyida A’isha (may Allah be pleased with her) reports that Salim, the freed-slave of Abu Hudhayfa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i.e. the daughter of Suhayl and wife of Abu Hudhayfa) came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and said: “Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he has began to understand what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, think that Abu Hudhayfa feels uncomfortable with this. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to her: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear.” She returned and said: “I have suckled him and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhayfa has disappeared.” (Sahih Muslim)

    Before coming to any sort of conclusion, we need to first understand the background and context of this incident. Imam Abu al-Abbas al-Qurtubi (Allah have mercy on him) states in his commentary of Sahih Muslim:

    “Salim (in this Hadith) is Salim ibn Ma’qal…Abu Hudhayfa had adopted him in accordance with the customs of the Arabs. He (Salim) had been brought up and raised by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife as their own son. When the verse of the Qur’an “Call them (your adopted children) by (the names of) their (real) fathers….” (Surah al-Ahzab, V: 5) was revealed, the ruling of adopting children was abrogated (in that one can no longer consider an adopted son to be one’s own). However, Salim continued to reside and enter the house of Sahla (the wife of Abu Hudhayfa) as he was a minor. When he grew old and came close to puberty, both Abu Hudhayfa and Sahla disliked the idea of him entering freely upon Sahla, but they found it difficult to mention this to him, given the fact that he had lived with them (and was brought up by them), hence they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) regarding this. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to Sahla: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…” (al-Mufhim lima Ashkal min talkhis Kitab Muslim, 4/186, Dar Ibn Kathir print)

    The above clearly illustrates that Salim was adopted by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife Sahla. He had lived with them and was raised and brought up by them since childhood. However, Islam does not recognize legal adoption and an adopted child is not considered a real child, hence after reaching puberty, the rules of Hijab are applicable. It became very difficult for Salim to live with his adoptive mother due to this rule, thus the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) advised Sahla to make Salim drink her breast-milk, whereby the rules of Hijab would be lifted.

    It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one’s nakedness (awra) in front of a non-Mahram adult, let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sa’d, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

    This leaves us with the question whether is it allowed for an adult to drink breast-milk, and what implications would that hold?

    It is a well-known and recognised fact amongst the majority of the Muslim jurists (fuqaha) that suckling is not permitted after two (or 2 and a half) years, neither does it affect the rules of Hijab and marriage. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) quite clearly mentioned this in one Hadith where he said: “…suckling is only valid if it takes place in the suckling period.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2504 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1455) The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said: “Suckling (radha’a) does not prohibit (i.e. marriage) except which penetrates the intestines (m: meaning which serves as a nourishment for the child) from the breasts, and it is prior to weaning.” (Recorded by Imam al-Tirmidhi in his Sunan, no. 1152)

    Due to the above narrations, all four Sunni schools of Islamic law are in agreement that suckling and breastfeeding will only be considered (i.e. in effecting the rules of marriage and Hijab) if it takes place in the period designated for it, and it is of no significance after that period.

    Thus, scholars mention that the permission given by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) for Sahla to give her milk to Salim was a special dispensation and an isolated case, and it cannot be generalized. Imam Abu al-Abbas al-Qurtubi (Allah have mercy on him) states that all of the Prophet’s wives with the exception of A’isha (Allah be pleased with them all) considered this to be a special dispensation, and this is the view taken by the majority of early (salaf) and late (khalaf) scholars. They considered the Hadith to be specific with Salim and Sahla, and are of the opinion that it is not permitted for an adult to drink breast-milk. If an adult did drink breast-milk, it will be of no consequence with regards to marriage and the rules of Hijab. (See: al-Mufhim, 4/186-187 & I’la al-Sunan, 11/119)

    Moreover, Umm Salama, the wife of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to say: “All the wives of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) rejected the idea that one can come to them (without observing the rules of Hijab) with this type of breastfeeding (i.e. the suckling of an adult), hence they said to A’isha (Allah be pleased with her): “By Allah, we do not consider this but a dispensation given by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) for Salim. No one is to be allowed to enter (our houses) with this type of fosterage and we do not subscribe to this view.” (Sahih Muslim, no: 1454)

    Thus, in conclusion, it is not permitted for an adult to intentionally drink breast-milk; neither will it have any bearing on the rules of Hijab and marriage. The companion Salim (Allah be pleased with him) was given a special dispensation by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) to drink the milk of Sahla, the wife of Abu Hudhayfa, due to the special circumstances of their case. However, Salim did not directly drink the milk from the breast of Sahla, rather, she would pour the milk in a utensil and he would drink from it.

    And Allah knows best

    Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
    Darul Iftaa, Leicester, UK

  4. * In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful…

    Bzzzt!

    [8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

    [8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

    * allah is doomed – the lake of fire awaits it.

  5. http://www.daruliftaa.com/biography.asp

    [Biography

    Mufti [Abu Abdillah] Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari is a young, traditionally trained scholar who studied in different parts of the world. Born in Leicester, UK, and raised under the guidance of his illustrious father, Shaykh Mawlana Adam, he started learning about Islam from a very young age and memorized the entire Qur’an at a very tender age of nine. He initially studied the Arabic language and various other traditional Islamic sciences including Qur’anic exegesis (tafsir), Hadith and Fiqh at Dar al-Uloom, Bury, UK, under many Shuyukh notably: Shaykh Muhammad Yusuf Motala and the late Shaykh al-Hadith Islam ul Haq, and thus received authorizations (ijazahs) in various books including the six major collections of Hadith. He also received Ijazah in Hadith from the late Grand Mufti of India, Shaykh Mahmud al-Hasan Gangohi, and underwent a one year course of specialization in the science of issuing religious verdicts (Fatwa).

    After graduating from the Dar al-Uloom, he travelled to Karachi, Pakistan, where he studied under one of the greatest living scholars, Justice (Rtd) Shaykh Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani and others, and received authorizations. Later, he travelled to Damascus, Syria, where he increased in experience and knowledge by studying under the great Ulama there and received authorizations (ijazahs) from Shaykh Abd al-Razzaq al-Halabi, Shaykh Dr. Abd al-Latif Farfur al-Hasani and others.

    His authored books include: Islamic Guide to Sexual Relations, Birth Control & Abortion in Islam, The Issue of Shares and Simplified Rules of Zakat. He has also published Shaykh Zakariyya Kandahlawi’s Wujub I’fa’ al-Lihya (The obligation of growing a beard) and Shaykh Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri’s Mabahith fi Aqa’id Ahl al-Sunna aka: Al-Muhannad ala‘l-Mufannad (Discussions in the beliefs of the Ahl al-Sunna), both with critical analysis and footnotes in Arabic. He is also widely known for his detailed and well-researched fiqh related articles which can be found at http://www.daruliftaa.com.

    The Shaykh has taught many courses and lectured extensively on a range of topics, and continues to travel regularly teaching and lecturing both in the UK and abroad. Many of his lessons and lectures are available free in the Audio Visual section of the Darul Iftaa website, including the 22 part series on Islamic Manners conducted from Shaykh Abdul-Fattah Abu Ghudda’s Min Adab al-Islam, 18 part series on the Virtues & Fiqh of Ramadan and the 8 part series on the 10 Things of Natural Disposition (fitra). He has also released a 19 CD audio set titled: The Fiqh of Marriage, which is widely available.

    Presently, he resides in Leicester, UK, where he is a teacher of various traditional Islamic sciences at Jamiah Uloom al-Qur’an, and Director and researcher at the Institute of Islamic Jurisprudence (Darul Iftaa, http://www.daruliftaa.com). He is a Board Member of the Al-Qalam Shari’ah Scholars Panel, established to meet the growing demand from Muslim consumers and businesses for authentic, professional, Shari’ah based guidance, and an Advisory Member of the Islamic Medical Ethics Forum (IMEF). He is also a Shari’ah Advisor for Habib Bank AG Zurich, UK – Islamic Banking department. ]

    * allah is a sockpuppet of Satan, only knowing how to deceive, mock, lie and blaspheme.

  6. * Technological jihad is as much a part of jihad as warfare:
    “Shaykh” Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari etc:

    http://www.mpacuk.org/vote/political-jihad.html

    [“If people see an oppressor and don’t prevent him, then it is very likely that Allah will include all of them in the punishment.” (Sunan Tirmidhi & Sunan Abu Dawud)

    In regards to this hadeeth, Shaykh Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari has gone as far as to state:

    “If you see open oppression and transgression, and despite having the capability of preventing this oppression by giving your vote you don’t do so, then in the light of this Hadeeth, you will be sinful.”

    What’s more, Yusuf Qaradawi, in his book “The Jurisdiction of Jihad” advocates media and political Jihad. Qaradawi encourages Muslims to rethink Jihad and recognise that with technological changes, using the media and political systems is as much a part of Jihad as were physical battles during the Prophet’s [pbuh] time.]

    * Remember, allah is waging open jihad on earth, but the battle is being played out in the heavens, with God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) to triumph …

    “For ours is not a conflict with mere flesh and blood, but with the despotisms, the empires, the forces that control and govern this dark world–the spiritual hosts of evil arrayed against us in the heavenly warfare.” (Ephesians 6:12)

    Flee from islam, Aftab, while you still can. It is doomed, along with its followers and false prophet.

  7. More taqiyya from “Mufti” Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari:

    http://ageofjahiliyah.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/islam-week-misconceptions-of-islam-speech/

    [He rejected extremism and terrorism in Islam, stating the two meanings of ‘Islam’ are submission to God and peace. He added that Islam “promotes and encourages peace” between Muslims and non-Muslims and the Koran teaches Muslims to treat other faiths justly and live amicably in society.]

    * I wonder if allah knows its followers are misunderstanding & misrepresenting it & its false prophet?

    The reality of allah and its false prophet:

    [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

    1. “the Koran teaches Muslims to treat other faiths justly and live amicably in society.”

      The usual Dhimmi BS.

      I don’t wanna be treated ‘justly’ by Mohammedan parasites.

      I just want them OUT!

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