Gold Coast: Cold Showers & Coffee Against "Islamic Civilization"

“Residents against mosque ‘have nothing to fear’, sez imam Imran Husain, who’s wondering why “people have this fear about Muslims.”

” Everyone (should)  take a cold shower, let’s have a cup of coffee….. They have to be inclusive and have an open-door policy and integrate with the broader Australian community so that the fear can eliminate and so people can realise that what happens behind those walls is nothing different to what happens in churches and synagogues and temples,” he said.

Thanks to Mullah

Nothing to worry about, really – the mosque is little more than a road house for passing muslims – pop in for a “prayer”, a coffee, and continue on to Cairns …

Community organizer and multiculti-interfaith doctor imam Husain

“It would be just a small Islamic centre, meaning there could be prayer there, tea and coffee, bringing the community together.

Its all about ‘diversity & culture’, of course, and land prices in Lakemba have gone up:  it will “increase the commercial opportunities for people – bakeries, corner stores – it opens up commercial opportunities.”

Funny that they don’t mention the halal butchers…..

Read it all

Could it be that some racist bigot Islamophobes misunderstand the peaceful intentions of muslims when mosques are actually command centers for jihad?

Australia: Islamic validity of terror attacks debated in mosque

Is a transcript of this debate available? It could be exceedingly illuminating, particularly if those who were against the Islamic validity of such attacks did not object to them merely on prudential grounds, but on Islamic theological grounds. If so, this would be one of those rare sightings of that ever-elusive unicorn, an Islamic theological and juridical basis for rejecting jihad violence. Everyone must believe, on pain of charges of “Islamophobia” and “bigotry,” that such a unicorn exists, but few, if anyone, have actually seen it. “Terror attacks debated at Melbourne mosque, court told,” by Ian Munro in The Age, September 16 (thanks to JW):

Worshippers at a Melbourne mosque last year were discussing whether it would be allowed under the rules of Islam to attack government institutions in Australia, the Supreme Court heard today.Defence counsel John O’Sullivan, for Abdirahman Ahmed, one of five men on trial over alleged plans to attack Holsworthy Army Barracks in Sydney, said his client was intending to put an end to any debate about whether violence in Australia was allowed under Islam.

Mr O’Sullivan said there was no dispute there was a number of people connected with the mosque which Amhed attended were debating the possibility of acting violently against government institutions in Australia, but he said Mr Ahmed opposed the attack.

Earlier this week, the court was told that Ahmed said it would be catastrophic for Australian Muslims if the attack went ahead.

“In Ahmed’s trial the defence does not dispute that there were a number of people associated with the mosque he attended who were debating the question of whether it was permissible according to the teaching of Islam to engage in armed conflict with government institutions in Australia,” Mr O’Sullivan said.

But Mr O’Sullivan said the one dispute in Ahmed’s trial was his reason for trying to get a religious authority to answer that question.

“The defence says he was in fact intending to put an end to any further debate about the question.”…

Great example of interfaith doctoring here:

Fitzgerald: Laurie Goodstein and the Times: Weighed, and found wanting

The 3 ‘interfaith amigos’ and the verse of the sword:  ‘kill the unbelievers’ is an awkward verse,’ said the imam.

Anyway, its  ‘taken out of context’.

And the crowd laughed….

4 thoughts on “Gold Coast: Cold Showers & Coffee Against "Islamic Civilization"”

  1. [“In Ahmed’s trial the defence does not dispute that there were a number of people associated with the mosque he attended who were debating the question of whether it was permissible according to the teaching of Islam to engage in armed conflict with government institutions in Australia,” Mr O’Sullivan said.]

    But islam is not on trial, according to the learned judge, so there should be no issues around the teachings of islam entered into evidence.

    Or should there?

  2. Another article, a little less favorable to the “centre”

    http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/09/17/256335_gold-coast-news.html

    [Councillor Ted Shepherd while the application was in its early stages, the community should consider it on its merits and not their emotional issues.]

    Why? muslims don’t limit themselves to “merits” when issuing their many stated & implied threats in response to all the things that hurt their feelings and upset their sensibilities.

  3. The mosque does NOT belong. BTW, do not the words “islamic” and ” civilisation” have opposite meanings???

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