Denying the Denial: Taqiyya About Taqiyya; Lying About Lying

“The chief weapon in the quiver of all Islamist expansionist movements, is the absolute necessity to keep victims largely unaware of the actual theology plotting their demise. To complete this deception, a large body of ‘moderates’ continue to spew such ridiculous claims as “Islam means Peace” thereby keeping non-Muslims from actually reading the Qur’an, the Sira, the Hadith, or actually looking into the past 1400 years of history. Islamists also deny or dismiss the concept of ‘abrogation’, which is the universal intra-Islamic method of replacing slightly more tolerable aspects of the religion in favor of more violent demands for Muslims to slay and subdue infidels”

The “T” word is out of the bag, and it makes the soldiers of  Allah and their useful idiots in the West go apeshit. Yes, we are talking openly about the concept of religiously mandated lying “to protect” Islam, to pull the Islamic wool over the eyes and ears of increasingly suspicious unbelievers:

In denial about being in denial

From the EDL

“AMSTERDAM, 02/11/10 – The Party for Freedom (PVV) has added a new word to Dutch vocabulary: takiyya. It says it is an Islamic rule that allows Muslims to lie to non-Muslims.

In his recently-published book, PVV MP Martin Bosma describes takiyya as “lying to strengthen Islam.” It amounts to Muslims being able to present themselves as liberal and modern, while secretly working on the introduction of the Sharia.

In a debate last week, GroenLinks leader Femke Halsema accused PVV leader Geert Wilders of making all Muslims suspect with the reference to takiyya. Wilders advised her to seek information from Islam experts.

If Halsema were to go to Maurits Berger for advice, she would not be convinced of Wilders’ views. The professor of Islam in the present-day West reacted angrily to the PVV message in De Volkskrant newspaper yesterday.

“How dare Wilders throw around Islamic terms about which he does not have a clue? Takiyya is a concept from the Middle Ages. It infuriates me that such a dogma from the past should be stuck onto the Muslims of today. It is as if you claimed that Christians think women who stay afloat are witches.”

“A concept from the Middle Ages”, is it, Mr Berger? Isn’t Islam itself “a concept from the Middle Ages”, in fact a socio-political doctrine that is stuck in the 7th century?

If anyone has more info on this Maurits Berger please sent it in. I have never heard of this turkey and he doesn’t sound kosher… in fact, one gets the impression that he is a Muslim “revert”. Maurits Berger appears to be Leidens very own Johnny Esposito. His chair in Leiden is bought and paid for by the Sultan of Oman, previously held by the illustrious Tariq Ramadan)

The concept of takiyya appears in the Koran. “Only among extreme groups does this secrecy still do the rounds,” according to Berger. He considers it a “complete scandal” that Wilders and Bosma have introduced it. “This is manifest incitement to hatred.“ http://www.nisnews.nl/public/021110_1.htm

This trick of ‘taqiyya about taqiyya’ is the number one taqiyya tactic:http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/twelve-tactics-of-taqiyya.html

….and here’s a recent example of the use of taqiyya http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/offensive-jihad-the-one-incontrovertible-problem-with-islam/?singlepage=true

15 thoughts on “Denying the Denial: Taqiyya About Taqiyya; Lying About Lying”

  1. Many moons ago, when LGF was the main forum for discussing such issues, the topic of Taqqiya came up.

    A muslim commentator then posted that he had never heard of Taqqiya- the concept was totally alien to him, and so it was to all Muslims that he knew.

    So far so good. As the comments proceeded, he could not resist the opportunity to show how wrong and ignorant we Infidels were, as to when and how Taqqiya could be applied. Islamic supremacism and pride, and pride of any sort leads to a downfall.

    The moral is simply this – do not trust a Muslim who pretends that he has never heard of Taqqiya.

  2. Another thing. Oklahomans have voted to ban any type of sharia- mild, moderate or radical, to be applied in any form in their state. Many Oklahomans do not like what they see happening in Britain. It is pre-emptive action, rather then wait till it is too late.

    The Mohamedans in Oklahoma are whining, claiming they are victims of “Islamophobia”, and are threatening to annul the referendum via the courts.

  3. Taqiyya Taqiyya , When do they use when they dont how do you find out? Taqiyya or no Taqiyya you cannot trust a pious mohammadan. They always have a habit of stabbing you in the back.

  4. christian taqiya

    do you call this christian taqiya or christian deception?

    and do you confirm that your jesus will deny peter after peter denied him?

    According to John 18:17 Jesus was bound and taken to Annas’ residence. After he was smitten by a servant of Annas, he was taken to Caiaphas the high priest.

    Exiting the house, John observes Peter who was standing and warming himself denying Jesus once again. !!

    According to John 18:17

    Then saith the damsel that kept the door unto Peter, Art not thou also one of this man’s /jesus ( not god ) disciples? He saith, I am not.

    peter lied and denied he knew jesus !!

    christianity is based on lies and promoted by LIARS !!
    ==============

    taqiya mean protection you idiot
    if a devil jew or an evil killer christian thug kidnap a Muslim civilian and tell him where is your family hiding as the CHRISTIAN Dutch did with Bosnians Muslims
    knowing that the devilljew or evil christian THUG killer will murder them after torturing them
    that kidnapped civilian tell the deviljew or the EVIL christian killer I DON’T KNOW so he mislead the kike or crusader killer to save his family from certain death at their hand

    that is what taqiya mean

  5. What about the “incitement of hatred” by these taqiyya muzzies who are sitting around on facebook inciting the genocide of whites in South Africa? They are offering ideas of how to go about it, eg. poison in food, drowning babies in pools, poisonous chemtrails and various other methods, even offering to do the job at a certain payment ‘to be arranged later’ – idiots are no doubt selling their souls to the devil called Mo.

    In fact, now that I think about it, Pres Zuma’s partner in crime (corruption etc).. oops I mean ‘financial advisor’, Schabir Shaik (whose plagiarist brother Mo runs the SA Secret Service) said just the other day that he should have let the Zulus (blacks) kill all the whites and Indians (as in Asians):
    http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2010_12_08_archive.html

    This link also has references to the latest toddler Willemien Potgieter (3) executed this past week in SA (she was shot in the back of her head at close range after being taken to a separate room) and a screenshot of Rwandan style genocide instigation flyers.

    One bullet, One (white) baby” (SA) and video by muslim Black Panther saying kill white babies (USA):
    http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=76840&

  6. Evil, scheming taqiyya bastards.

    And what about the “incitement of hatred” by these taqiyya muzzies who are sitting around on facebook inciting the genocide of whites in South Africa? Let it be a warning to every infidel. They are offering ideas of how to go about it, eg. poison in food, drowning babies in pools, poisonous chemtrails and various other methods, even offering to do the job at a certain payment ‘to be arranged later’ – idiots are no doubt selling their souls to the devil called Mo.

    In fact, now that I think about it, Pres Zuma’s partner in crime (corruption etc).. oops I mean ‘financial advisor’, Schabir Shaik (whose plagiarist brother Mo runs the SA Secret Service) said just the other day that he should have let the Zulus (blacks, tribe which Zuma belongs to – Mandela and Mbeki were both Xhosa, whom the Zulus consider ‘little boys’ because they do not have initiation ceremonies involving circumcision) kill all the whites and Indians (as in Asians):
    http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2010_12_08_archive.html

    This link also has references to the latest toddler Willemien Potgieter (3) executed this past week in SA (she was shot in the back of her head at close range after being taken to a separate room) and a screenshot of Rwandan style genocide instigation flyers.

    One bullet, One (white) baby” (SA) and video by muslim Black Panther saying kill white babies (USA):
    http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=76840&

    But I guess these are only ‘extremists’, huh? He clearly doesn’t have a damn clue about what the quran really says. Only bad muslims don’t kill infidels because the koran tells them to do it, so they’re ignoring allah’s will… This is now the book written by a guy who says if you fall asleep while praying, Satan will take a piss in your ear and the sun sets in a pool of mud – such genius. Mindblowing.
    http://www.historyofjihad.org/ (LOL you MUST see the cartoons for quotes on this page)

    Islam itself is what dragged Europe down into the Dark Ages – they closed down higher education institutions in the Byzantine Empire when they invaded it for example. Not to mention all the synagogues, temples and churches they demolished or converted. Like CORDOBA!

    A village somewhere is missing its (useful) idiot…

  7. Thanks for that link mullah! I found the pigs and monkeys quotes useful yesterday 😉

    PS there’s something else I’ve spotted – muslims going around telling people about Jews doing all this and that and “go visit David Duke” etc, then he follows up with “let’s go kill some Jews”.

    I guess those filthy taqiyya bastards are on a recruitment drive and they are instigating violence – as if *I* would help a muslim do anything, let alone killing people. Primitive evil filthy sh*t-heads!

    Best be on the lookout for them and then make sure to put them on their place, shut them up with some facts and quotes and of course a link to SheikYermami – that’s what I tend to do 😉

  8. Evil, scheming taqiyya bastards.

    And what about the “incitement of hatred” by these taqiyya muzzies who are sitting around on facebook inciting the genocide of whites in South Africa? Let it be a warning to every infidel. They are offering ideas of how to go about it, eg. poison in food, drowning babies in pools, poisonous chemtrails and various other methods, even offering to do the job at a certain payment ‘to be arranged later’ – idiots are no doubt selling their souls to the devil called Mo.

    In fact, now that I think about it, Pres Zuma’s partner in crime (corruption etc).. oops I mean ‘financial advisor’, Schabir Shaik (whose plagiarist brother Mo runs the SA Secret Service) said just the other day that he should have let the Zulus (blacks, tribe which Zuma belongs to – Mandela and Mbeki were both Xhosa, whom the Zulus consider ‘little boys’ because they do not have initiation ceremonies involving circumcision) kill all the whites and Indians (as in Asians):
    censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2010_12_08_archive.html

    This link also has references to the latest toddler Willemien Potgieter (3) executed this past week in SA (she was shot in the back of her head at close range after being taken to a separate room) and a screenshot of Rwandan style genocide instigation flyers.

    One bullet, One (white) baby” (SA) and video by muslim Black Panther saying kill white babies (USA):
    http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=76840&

    But I guess these are only ‘extremists’, huh? He clearly doesn’t have a damn clue about what the quran really says. Only bad muslims don’t kill infidels because the koran tells them to do it, so they’re ignoring allah’s will… This is now the book written by a guy who says if you fall asleep while praying, Satan will take a piss in your ear and the sun sets in a pool of mud – such genius. Mindblowing.
    http://www.historyofjihad.org/ (LOL you MUST see the cartoons for quotes on this page)

    Islam itself is what dragged Europe down into the Dark Ages – they closed down higher education institutions in the Byzantine Empire when they invaded it for example. Not to mention all the synagogues, temples and churches they demolished or converted. Like CORDOBA!

    A village somewhere is missing its (useful) idiot…

  9. Taqiyya about taqiyya from Muslim group at CPAC

    The Muslims For America group was distributing the above flier at the Conservative Political Conference; you can read the full text here. In 2009, when Pamela Geller brought Geert Wilders to CPAC with my assistance, Muslims For America distributed a flier claiming that Wilders had — you guessed it — taken Qur’an verses out of context in his film Fitna. So during my address that night I took the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, a mainstream Muslim commentary on the Qur’an, and showed that Wilders’ explanation of the verses was entirely correct and in accord with mainstream Islamic understandings.

    Perhaps still smarting from that very public debunking, Muslims For America included a gratuitous ad hominem attack against me, as well as Pamela Geller and Frank Gaffney, in this year’s flier about taqiyya. More importantly, like Qasim Rashid in the Washington Post a couple of weeks ago, they’re lying about lying in Islam. Did some marching orders go out from somewhere telling Islamic spokesmen in the West to start blowing out billows of fog about divinely-sanctioned deception in Islam?

    In any case, the Muslims For America flier asserts:

    TAQIYYA is a concept being heard frequently today, the idea that Muslims have a universal practice of “Taqiyya” that allows them to conceal their faith of Islam or lie to non-Muslims, for the sake of expanding the Islamic religion – a practice that commentators like Frank Gaffney, Pamela Geller, and Robert Spencer have purported to be highly practiced, with such practice particularly hinted against American Muslims, who are currently ascending our political stratospheres.

    The Truth on Taqiyya?

    The word “Taqiyya” does not exist in the Quran. In addition, there is no Islamic code of law that universally recognizes “Taqiyya” or encourages its practice.

    The origin of Taqiyya, as discussed by scholars like John Esposito and Shafique Virani, is mentioned as an offshoot practice of some Shia Muslim populations, in which, Shia Imams like Muhammad Al-Baqir, of around 1256 CE, seem to have encouraged their congregations to conceal their Shia backgrounds, out of fear of mass-killing deliberately aimed against Shias. Of note, many Shia Muslims have lived as a minority and documentation of the unfortunate and sad persecution against them is well noted.

    In turn, Muhammad Al-Baqir is one of thousands of Imams to have preached his interpretation of the Quran, just as any Minister would preach his understanding of our good Bible towards his congregation.

    Yes – Islam does allow Imams to preach their understandings of the Quran, but such preaching is never recognized as Islamic Code, rather, it is simply the musings of one Muslim practitioner, not God.

    For commentators to stretch the words of a handful of Imams, like Muhammad Al-Baqir, and pass it off as universally-practiced Islamic code, is the height of intellectual dishonesty and lie.

    Nothing works against Muslims For America and our efforts to get Muslims united against thugs like Al-Quaida, more than political commentators who question our good deeds in making sure that America wins the War on Terror.

    This all sounds great. And certainly taqiyya as a specific concept was indeed elaborated by Shias who were under threat from Sunnis. But the concept itself is rooted in the Qur’an, and consequently is found among both Sunnis and Shi’ites.

    Qur’an 3:28 warns believers not to take unbelievers as “friends or helpers” (َأَوْلِيَا — a word that means more than casual friendship, but something like alliance), “unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them.” This is a foundation of the idea that believers may legitimately deceive unbelievers when under pressure. The word used for “guard” in the Arabic is tuqātan (تُقَاةً), the verbal noun from taqiyyatan — hence the increasingly familiar term taqiyya.

    Ibn Kathir says that the phrase Pickthall renders as “unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them” means that “believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers” may “show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said, ‘We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.’ Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, ‘The Tuqyah [taqiyya] is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.” While many Muslim spokesmen today maintain that taqiyya is solely a Shi’ite doctrine, shunned by Sunnis, the great Islamic scholar Ignaz Goldziher points out that while it was formulated by Shi’ites, “it is accepted as legitimate by other Muslims as well, on the authority of Qur’an 3:28.” The Sunnis of Al-Qaeda practice it today.

    Also, there is Muhammad’s statement, “war is deceit.” He also allowed for lying in battle and between a husband and wife. And when he gave permission to one of his followers, Muhammad bin Maslama, to murder one of his critics, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, he also gave Muhammad bin Maslama permission to lie to Ka’b in order to lure him close enough to be killed.

    And Muhammad is the “excellent example of conduct” for Muslims (Qur’an 33:21).

    So why is Muslims For America lying about lying in Islam? And why did CPAC give them a platform?

    Pamela Geller has another angle on this story here.

  10. Counterterrorism experts starting to awaken to the reality of taqiyya

    (Not really.)

    Counter-jihadists have known about taqiyya for years, but they’ve been dismissed as greasy Islamophobes with no credibility. Mainstream (i.e. politically correct, as you can see from the denials below that there is anything distinctively Islamic about taqiyya) counterterrorism experts, however, are now beginning to realize that the “Islamophobes” were on to something.

    Qur’an 3:28 warns believers not to take unbelievers as “friends or helpers” (َأَوْلِيَا — a word that means more than casual friendship, but something like alliance), “unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them.” This is a foundation of the idea that believers may legitimately deceive unbelievers when under pressure. The word used for “guard” in the Arabic is tuqātan (تُقَاةً), the verbal noun from taqiyyatan — hence the increasingly familiar term taqiyya.

    Ibn Kathir says that the phrase Pickthall renders as “unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them” means that “believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers” may “show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said, ‘We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.’ Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, ‘The Tuqyah [taqiyya] is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.” Abu Ad-Darda’ was a companion of Muhammad.

    While many Muslim spokesmen today maintain that taqiyya is solely a Shi’ite doctrine, shunned by Sunnis, the great Islamic scholar Ignaz Goldziher points out that while it was formulated by Shi’ites, “it is accepted as legitimate by other Muslims as well, on the authority of Qur’an 3:28.” The Sunnis of Al-Qaeda practice it today.

    Also, there is Muhammad’s statement, “war is deceit.” He also allowed for lying in battle and between a husband and wife. And when he gave permission to one of his followers, Muhammad bin Maslama, to murder one of his critics, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, he also gave Muhammad bin Maslama permission to lie to Ka’b in order to lure him close enough to be killed.

    And Muhammad is the “excellent example of conduct” for Muslims (Qur’an 33:21).

    “Taqiyya, or the terrorist ‘art of deception,'” by Anne-Diandra Louarn for France 24, March 14 (thanks to Rosine):

    A year after the Toulouse attacks by Mohamed Merah…, French counterterrorism experts are monitoring the practice of “taqiyya” – or deceiving society by concealing one’s faith – and its uses in jihadist circles.
    Nearly a year ago, as one of France’s longest-ever police sieges was about to end on the morning of March 22, 2012, Mohamed Merah – also known as “the Toulouse gunman” – uttered a cry that seemed enigmatic to the uninformed, but was weighted with meaning for counterterrorism experts.

    “It’s not the money, it’s the deception that’s critical,” said the 23-year-old French-Algerian shortly before he jumped off his Toulouse apartment window and was gunned down by an elite French anti-terror unit.

    The somewhat cryptic cry was a likely reference to “taqiyya” – a form of religious dissimulation or legal dispensation in which believers deny their faith or even commit blasphemous acts as a deception if they are seriously threatened or at risk of persecution.

    “Concealment is a technique as old as the world,” explained French anti-terrorism judge Marc Trévidic in an interview with FRANCE 24. “It’s also an essential component of any war strategy, regardless of the people involved.”

    Sure, but Islam is unique among religions in having a “war strategy.”

    In Islam, taqiyya dates back to the time when Shiite Muslims were hounded and persecuted by the Sunni caliphs following the 7th century schism between the followers of the Prophet’s son-in-law, Ali, and the Sunni caliphate.
    For the traditionally persecuted Shiite minority, deception – or taqiyya – was considered a matter of survival. Although the term does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence, there have been rare cases of Sunnis practicing taqiyya in extraordinary circumstances.

    Actually, because it is based on the Qur’an, many Sunnis practice it, even if they don’t refer to it as such.

    But it was not until the term was recovered by Sunni jihadists trained in the Afghan terror camps that it began to get the attention of counterterrorism experts as trained and radicalised young men began practising taqiyya as a means of integrating and disguising themselves in Western societies.
    “Taqiyya, as it’s understood today, is actually a radicalised version of concealment, in the sense that some religious extremists have found ‘dalils’ (or ‘evidence’) in the Koran that would justify their actions,” said Trévidic.

    Actually, it isn’t just “extremists” who have found evidence for taqiyya in the Qur’an, but venerable centuries-old and mainstream Muslim authorities, as explained above.

    From Afghanistan to Europe and Canada
    In France, intelligence agencies have been aware of the radicalised adoption of taqiyya since the mid-1990s, when al Qaeda began to advocate this technique among recruits plotting attacks on Western targets. The message was also targeted at French citizens of North African origins.

    “These people who took the path of taqiyya were called ‘sleepers’. This is when we began to discover that after their passage through the jihadist training camps in Afghanistan, the recruits were sent home and directed to make a show of their ordinary, integrated lives – sometimes even masquerading as unbelievers,” said Trévidic.

    One of the best-known jihadist sleepers was the “Hamburg cell”, the infamous group of radicalized students in that German city who went on to execute the September 11, 2001, attacks – including 9/11 leader Mohamed Atta.

    Another example of a terrorist in disguise was Fateh Kamel, a handsome Algerian-Canadian who was sentenced to eight years in jail by a French court in 1999 for supporting a terrorist plot against targets in Paris.

    Assessing the danger of Islamists

    But while Merah’s behaviour may have been deceptive in keeping with taqiyya norms, his activities were well known to the French secret services, according to Trévidic.

    According to the anti-terror judge, the challenge for French authorities is not so much to identify the followers of taqiyya, but to assess their threat levels. “That is the whole problem of the DCRI [Direction centrale du renseignement intérieur – or the French domestic intelligence agency] in the Merah case,” noted Trévidic.

    If Merah’s suspicious trips to places like Pakistan were being monitored and French intelligence agents were aware that he belonged to a small Toulouse-based Salafist group, they failed to distinguish between a low-level delinquent and a potentially dangerous Islamist militant – or at which point the former could become the latter.

    Trévidic acknowledges that it’s a challenge for the DCRI to identify radicalised youth ready and capable of putting their plans into action. But that’s the strength of taqiyya followers: in the impoverished, immigrant-dominated French suburbs – or banlieues in French – they often behave like local gangsters or gang leaders. To escape the counterterrorism radar, it’s not uncommon for potential terrorists to engage in minor acts of delinquency.

    ‘Rediscovering what we already know’

    “No country is truly equipped against concealment. What we know today is that practices such as taqiyya require a deep infiltration of our territory, an in-depth knowledge of groups and individuals, as well as an effective system of recovering and retrieving information in the field,” said Trévidic.

    The dismantling of suspected sleeper cells, such as the March 7-8 arrests of three terror suspects in the southern French town of Marignane (a suburb of Marseille), has intensified in the wake of the Merah case. “In terrorism, we are constantly rediscovering what we already know,” notes Trévidic.

    It’s a view mirrored by Alain Gresh, deputy director of the left-wing monthly Le Monde Diplomatique. In an interview with FRANCE 24, Gresh noted that taqiyya is not a new phenomenon. “Who are the terrorists who shout their intentions from rooftops?” he asked.

    In a blog post published on March 2, Gresh argued that the media treatment of taqiyya has sometimes been “racist” and inappropriate. “Some journalists have suggested that Arabs have a perverse way of thinking that is permitted by their religion. Concealment is not limited to radical Islam. It is found in all religious doctrines and even in political doctrines,” he noted.

    Alain Gresh should know better. Taqiyya is a doctrine of Islam, not of Arabs. Does he think that all Muslims are Arabs? And no, there is nothing comparable to taqiyya in Christianity — the Roman Catholic understanding of mental reservation probably comes closest, but is still miles away from the sophisticated and elaborate deception of unbelievers that taqiyya can involve. Christianity never encourages concealment of one’s faith — the stories of Christian martyrs frequently involve refusal to renounce one’s faith even when under pressure of death. This is in sharp contrast to the Qur’an’s excusing of people who deny their faith under pressure: “Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief — except for one who is forced while his heart is secure in faith — but those who open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment” (Qur’an 16:106).

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