Brother Tariq Lectures the Pope


Brother Tariq Rubs it: “this discussion is not the right one…”

Just shut up, infidel. Don’t oppose Islamization, don’t oppose the genocide we are planning for your nation, your culture and civilization. Islam is a European religion, a German religion, a French religion, you need 20 million workers…..   We are here, we are here to stay, nothing you can do about it…”

Once again, the smooth talking grandson of Hassan al Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, insults our intelligence with the old

“Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?”

Next, he wants the pope to speak for Muslims:

“What is needed, which I recognise the Pope has already done on some occasions, is to not intervene solely when the discrimination regards Christians, but also when the victims are Muslims or belong to another faith,” Ramadan stressed.

Translation: NATO forces in Iraq & Afghanistan are terrorizing  Islamic terrorists, for brother Tariq, that is “when the victims are Muslims.”

“The attacks have a terrible impact on the international image of Islam,” -what could be more concerning to him?

“It is incorrect to say the Coptic community in Egypt is in danger.” Really? Let’s look at the recent record — leaving out the New Year’s Day church bombing in which jihadists murdered 23 Copts:

That takes us back to November 16, 2010, just nine weeks ago. So why would this great Muslim reformer so egregiously misrepresent the plight of Christians in Egypt? A clue may come from French journalist Caroline Fourest, who has published a book-length study of Ramadan’s sly duplicity, Brother Tariq. Fourest concludes that this much-lionized putative Muslim Martin Luther is actually anything but a reformer: in reality, Ramadan is “remaining scrupulously faithful to the strategy mapped out by his grandfather, a strategy of advance stage by stage” toward the imposition of Islamic law in the West.

Ramadan, she explains, in his public lectures and writings invests words like “law” and “democracy” with subtle and carefully crafted new definitions, permitting him to engage in “an apparently inoffensive discourse while remaining faithful to an eminently Islamist message and without having to lie overtly — at least not in his eyes.” Ramadan, she said, “may have an influence on young Islamists and constitute a factor of incitement that could lead them to join the partisans of violence.”

And in this case, remember Muhammad’s old adage: “war is deceit.”

“Egypt: Muslim scholar slams top Sunni authority’s decision to halt inter-faith dialogue,” from AKI, January 21:

Rome, 21 Jan. (AKI) – A prominent Muslim on Friday rejected the Cairo-based Al-Azhar University’s decision to suspend inter-religious dialogue with the Vatican after remarks by Pope Benedict XVI that were critical of Islam and the plight of the Christian minority. In an interview with Adnkronos International, Tariq Ramadan said there was “no war against Coptic Christians” in Egypt.”It is incorrect to say the Coptic community in Egypt is in danger. There are terrorist acts that don’t have anything to do with most Muslims. It is extremely important to be cautious on this point, the risk is to play along with the terrorists who want to deepen divisions in Egypt, there is no ‘war’ against Copts.”

Ramadan spoke to Adnkronos International from Rome’s private LUISS University where he was participating in a debate on religion, democracy and civil liberties.

“It’s a mistake to interrupt channels of dialogue between Islam and the Vatican,” Ramadan said.

When the pope spoke, the  worlds 1.5 gazillion Muslims went ballistic and told the pope to shut up. So much for dialogue…..

“It’s normal for the Pope to intervene and be critical when a bomb hits a Coptic place of worship,” Ramadan said. He was referring to the New Year’s Eve bomb attack on a church in northern Egypt which killed 23 people and injured around 80.

“The same attack was also condemned by Al-Azhar,” he said, referring to the university in Cairo which is considered the highest seat of Sunni Muslim learning….

Not that anyone heard a thing. But for brother Tariq, these are little lies…..

“What is needed, which I recognise the Pope has already done on some occasions, is to not intervene solely when the discrimination regards Christians, but also when the victims are Muslims or belong to another faith,” Ramadan stressed.

The Swiss-born, Egyptian intellectual and grandson of Hasan al-Bana, founder of the Society of Muslim Brothers, also strongly condemned the attacks on Christians taking place in other Middle Eastern countries, such as those in Iraq.

“The attacks have a terrible impact on the international image of Islam,” he concluded.

And oh, yeah, they also destroy innocent people, but that doesn’t bear mentioning: they’re just filthy kuffar.

4 thoughts on “Brother Tariq Lectures the Pope”

  1. OT but worth reading

    According to Warsi, Islamophobia has passed the “dinner table test”, that apparently being the test where people dare to express an opinion around their own dinner table without being shipped off to stand trial before the European Court of Justice. But is it really the dinner tables of England that we ought to be concerned with, rather than its army of prayer rugs.

    In an environment where 40 percent of UK Muslims want Sharia law, 10 percent support the 7/7 bombers and 13 percent admire Al Qaeda, 40 percent believe that 9/11 was a Jewish/American conspiracy, 62 percent do not believe in protecting free speech, 68 support the arrest and prosecution of writers and cartoonists who insult Islam and 36 percent support the death penalty for Muslims who leave Islam– — is it really time for another lecture on Islamophobia?

    The British teenager of tomorrow is named Mohammed, and he takes his inspiration not from the Magna Carta, but the Koran. His hero is not Winston Churchill or Oliver Cromwell, but that bloody butcher of men and raper of women and little girls, the Islamic prophet Mohammed. When he plays video games, he imagines that the men he’s killing are the soldiers returning home from fighting against teenagers just like him Iraq or Afghanistan. Sooner or later, he dreams of being to do the same thing. He thinks of British girls as whores, of English culture as corrupt and worthless, and feels he owes no obedience to its laws or its government.

  2. A ridiculous, pathetic interview by a bunch of clueless dhimmies from Deutsche Welle. The article was also published by the Baron over at GoV, with comments.

    The execrable brother Tariq is not difficult to shake out of his tree. Its infuriating that these pseudo-journos fail to do even the bare minimum of homework before taken him on:

    One of Time Magazine’s 100 most influential thinkers of the 21st century, Tariq Ramadan says Islam in Europe needs to be redefined. With Islamophobia passing the dinner-table test, his message is more urgent than ever.

    According to a recent study carried out at the University of Leipzig, more than a third of Germans believe Germany would be better off without Islam. Last week Europe’s foremost Muslim thinker, Tariq Ramadan, spoke to a captive audience in Berlin about the tide of Islamophobia sweeping Europe and his own vision of a “shared pluralism.” A professor of Islamic Studies at Oxford University, Ramadan is also president of the European Muslim Network. He is a polarizing figure, seen by some as the “Muslim Martin Luther” and by others as a master of doublespeak. He spoke to Deutsche Welle about western perceptions of Islam today and the need for Muslims to become full partners in democratic societies.

    Is it Germans’ job to understand Islam better, or is it Muslims’ job to explain Islam better?

    Islamophobia and rejection of Muslims is everywhere in Europe today, and Germany is no exception. It is a two-way process. We have to change our way of talking about Islam, our way of creating and building the ‘Other.’ To this end, it’s important to work on education and a better understanding of what Germany and Europe is today and to accept that Islam is a European religion, because we have millions of citizens who are French, British, German and Muslim. But Muslims as citizens have to be more vocal and assertive by explaining their religion and the way they deal with it in their daily lives, so that it is not only perceived as a problem but as a gift and a positive presence.

    They also need to avoid the victim mentality that might be nurtured by this atmosphere and to avoid identifying as a minority, saying: we don’t want to be targeted, so we will isolate ourselves. No, they should do the opposite, even though to withdraw from being visible would be a natural psychological reaction.

    In your book “What I Believe,” you say that the debate about integration borders on the obsessive and that what we need now is a ‘post-integration’ approach based on contribution.

    We need to stop referring to integration. By ‘post-integration,’ I mean that we need to come to an understanding that the success of integration is to stop talking about it. If we keep on repeating year after year, generation after generation, that ‘they’ need to integrate, we imply that there is a host country, and they are its immigrants. It’s over! Muslims are not immigrants in Germany. They are German, they are European.

    Then, what we need to do is ask: as a member of this society, what is my contribution going to be? If you are always perceived as ‘to be integrated,’ the question is: where do you come from? We have to stop asking: where do you come from and ask: where are we going – together?

    We have to be visible and vocal not only in the religious field but everywhere. Our contribution can be philosophical, artistic, and as I advocate in my book, creative! To be a Muslim isn’t just to say: Islam is not violent, it is not discriminatory – no, it’s more than that. It is architecture, books, imagination, ethics. And the more you give to society, the less you will be perceived as a negative factor.

    What [controversial German author] Thilo Sarazzin basically said was: look at these Muslims, they are a problem and they are lowering our level of intelligence. He is wrong, of course, and this was a racist stand. But the only way to answer it is to point to contribution. The only right answer is practical: we have to be witnesses of the potentialities we have in our societies to express ourselves in a positive way.

    But when you have public and institutional hostility to Muslims, it restricts the scope of their participation in social, economic, political and cultural life. How can we break this deadlock?

    When I come to Germany and other European countries I can see that, yes, there is a trend to Islamophobia, racism and a rejection of Muslims, but lots of people are not happy about it and know there’s something wrong.

    So you are right, a fracture within society is possible. But what I see behind the scenes at the local level are a lot of Europeans willing to listen. This should be the driving force of change: not Muslims on their own, but Germans from different backgrounds sharing the same principle: we are not going to allow racism to return to this country in a way that is very, very damaging for all citizens.

    Ramadan says European Muslims need to be visible and vocal

    According to the surveys, what Germans are most bothered by is the way they see women treated in Islam: You believe that a woman can find liberation in Islam, that Islam was originally a feminist religion. Germans see it as patriarchal and oppressive in its practice. How do you explain this gulf?

    Because both are right. When you study the scriptural sources then you understand that there is a message of equality and liberation. But when you look at what Muslims are doing, Germans are not completely wrong to see a problem. In Muslim communities, I can see myself that there is a lot of discrimination; women are not involved in education, the mosque, not always respected as human beings and within marriages. There is a problem. I constantly repeat: Islam has no problem with women, but Muslims do. This is why I train Muslim women in the way they deal with the scriptural sources and they way they deal with the community.

    The missing discourse in Islam is about women: not as mother, not as daughter, not as sister, but woman as woman. What does spiritual liberation of the being mean? What do we mean by femininity and liberation? As a woman, I don’t want to be reduced to my body but you have to accept that I have a heart, I have a soul.

    Then there is the question of commitment within the community, in mosques, in the scholarship and the legal Islamic authority. Women need to be involved. We can’t just repeat: we are equal before God and complementary in society. The relationship between the master and the slave is complementary, but the master is the master, and the slave is the slave.

    But our fellow citizens also have a responsibility not to essentialize the Islamic discourse and say: all Muslims are like this or this. There are very practicing Muslim women liberating themselves from cultural oppression and literalist understandings.

    Interview: Jane Paulick
    Editor: Nancy Isenson

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