Hamburg signs "historic deal" with Muslims

Actually, its no ‘deal’ at all. The Germans give and the Muslims take.

Its a major step towards the institutional recognition of Islam in Germany, which is a disaster.

These imbeciles in Hamburg have just surrendered to the soldiers of allah.

The Quran gives permission for Muslims to break treaties with non-believers simply because they are non-believers. This aspect of the Quranic writings alone, negate arguments that lying is for self-defence only. It also negates any semblance of honour in Islam.

Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:2 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”

 

Treaties with infidels are worthless; except when it suits the Muslims. In this case its all in their favour, and you can rest assured that they will milk this to the letter of the ‘law’.  The basis of Muslim treaty-making with Infidels can be found in the Treaty of Hudaibiyya. In the Muslim view, treaties with Infidels are NOT to be obeyed.  The Quran gives permission for Muslims to break treaties with non-believers simply because they are non-believers.

Hamburg authorities have signed a deal with the city’s Muslim community groups guaranteeing Islamic holidays, school religion lessons, and burial rights. It’s the first agreement of its kind in Germany.  (The Local)

The comments are appalling. “Local ” readers are amazingly ignorant.

“Something that should be taken for granted has gained a lot of attention,” Hamburg’s centre-left mayor Olaf Scholz said as he presented the new agreement on Tuesday. It is the first ever deal between a German state and its Muslim community, Scholz said – “a signal that we’re ready and willing to cooperate.”

The 11-page agreement, which still has to be approved by the city parliament, is meant to regulate religious freedoms, school lessons, burial rituals, and recognition of Germany’s constitution, the taz newspaper reported.

The deal, which has been in negotiations since 2007, was signed by the council of Islamic communities (Schura), the Turkish-Islamic Union (Ditib), the association of Islamic cultural centres (VIKZ), as well as the city’s Alevi community.

These community groups, representing the Hamburg’s 120,000 Muslims, have agreed to recognize the “basic values of constitutional order,” to reject “violence and discrimination based on origin, sexual orientation, and faith” and “religious and political viewpoints,” and to recognize “equality between genders.”

In exchange, Hamburg city authorities will declare Eid al-Adha (“Festival of Sacrifice”), Eid ul-Fitr (the end of Ramadan), and the Day of Ashura (“Day of Mourning”), officially recognised holidays.

Muslim and Alevi workers will be allowed to take these days off, and their children will be allowed to stay out of school if they wish – under the same conditions that Christians can take Church holidays such as the Day of Repentance off. This means they have the right to take the day off – either taking it as holiday or in return for another working day.

The deal also promises Islamic communities more say in how religious lessons in school are formed.

Similar deals were signed with the city’s Protestant and Catholic churches in 2005, and with the Jewish community in 2007.

Schura official Daniel Abdin described the agreement as “an important step towards the institutional recognition of Islam in Germany,” while Aziz Aslandemir of the Alevi community organization said, “We hope that this contract will be seen as a spark for other German states.”

The Local/bk

26 thoughts on “Hamburg signs "historic deal" with Muslims”

  1. Some still believe recommend book ICON OF EVIL by David G Dalin and John F Rothmann hitlers mufti and the rise of radical Islam some things never change and also Pam Geller at Atlas Shrugs

  2. I love reading those sorts of books at work – on my breaks. It opens up discussion. Yes, not all will be ‘converted’ BUT I got the chance to fill other’s ears with information – those who ‘sit on the fence’. Quite often I will add something like this, ‘…because you now know, you cannot use the excuse you did not know. or …now that you know you cannot do nothing and condemn your children to islam’. Stuff like that. I put the responsibility on their own shoulders and if they want to remain lame, do nothing, hide their heads in the sand and hope that it all blows away, etc then it is their ‘sin’ now.

  3. We have to get used to being called names. When we get called names or threatened, bashed, or whatever – just stop and recognize the strategy and say that we recognize it is only a way to shut us up and that it means you have nothing else because you don’t know anything about islam other than the mantras they want you to know. And shutting me up doesn’t work so you can bash me, or call me all the names that you want – you are just telling me more about yourself than you realize.

    1. Muselmaniacs are the power base of Red-Green.

      Islam made the socialist Hollande victorious: the 1.5 million muslim votes put him in power. Its similar in the UK and in Germany. In Australia we are getting that way too….

  4. @ Sheik,

    It is an unesay alliance, because they will grow to a level, where they will no longer find the Red/Green useful. But, either the Red/Green do not care or their arrogance and self righteousness has blinded them to reality.

    I have been convinced for sometime that Gillard is following the success of Blairs longevity in the UK by adopting the same methods of flooding OZ with potential voters.

    1. Yes indeed. For socialists, the ends justify the means. Look at what Zero is doing in America.

      BLiar (may his name be cursed for all time) clearly opened the floodgates to import a mohammedan proletariat to replace the natives. And now the arsonist cries ‘hey, there’s a fire’.

      KRudd Gillard & co. are doing the same; the awful, derelict Greens are their alibi & enablers, both are complicit in treason and genocide against their own people.

      But Howard was equally complicit in turning the so-called ‘Cronullah riots’ against the Australian people and smearing them as ‘racists’ and letting the mohammedan rapists and invaders off the hook.

      He should never be forgiven for that.

  5. “Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
    Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
    Qur’an 66:2 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”

    Can u tell me please where did u get these verses from?i memorize Quran by heart..all the 114 chapters of Quran i memorize them..and as i far as i know not a single verse of Quran changed scince 1400 years ago,yet i never heared of these verses u mentioned above( “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.)..man u must be joking here?cause u can never be serious..u cant post such obvious lies nd expect people to belive them.

  6. Well reddog333
    Since u said so i thought I would give sheikyermami the benefit of doubt..so i looked the verse up..i googled it and it gave me only couple of anti-islam sites containing this verse (including this site) then i noticed the number 66:2 so i opened my Quran to chapter 66 (altahrem) verse number tow..then i found what sheikyermami meant..“Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”..it is a true verse indeed but u take it completely out of context here..it doesn’t mean that u should betray people because they are non believers, verse 1 says ( O prophet why are u denying what Allah gave u permission to do)then(Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows)..u know what that mean? Prophet Mohamed once swore he will never take some group with him..and when they begged him so much he said that I took an oath and I cant break it..so Allah told him (Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows) because Allah knew those people deserved to be taken and its unfair they get left behind just because the prophet took an oath not to do..and the dissolution of vows in Islam is a common thing and it doesn’t mean u betray people and break treaties which is strictly prohibited in Islam it means if u swore to do something and u didn’t do it then u have to dissolute ur vow by doing one of three things: you free a slave person feed 60 hungry or u fast for tow months. Again u r taking these verses completely out of context ..and u have to be objective when u write things even if u are unsuccessfully trying to distort the reputation of Islam.

  7. Okay fine… the other verse is the one that is incorrect. It says 9:3 (immunity) – “A general declaration is made this day of the Greater Pilgrimage on the part of God and His Apostle.. that God is not bound (by any contract) to idolaters, nor is his Apostle. It is therefore better for you to repent If you do not, remember that you cannot elude (the grip of) God. So announce to those who deny the truth the news of painful punishment.”

  8. mhadjen,
    You really have nothing useful to say, and you are not even on topic. If you want to open up a private conversation debating the points of your book of evil then do it privately. Incidentally, you stupid muslim, religion is a human concept, so keep YOUR beliefs to yourself. I believe that if I offered spiritual alternatives to your bloody “religion” in an islamic country I would be attacked – so please tell us why you should be spared from what you and your fellow islamic scum do to others. As for distorting the reputation of islam – islam does that itself. Shall we list for you, on a daily basis, the crimes that muslims have committed against others, with references and then compare the numbers against non-muslims. In terms of violence you pathetic morons are well ahead. Incidentally you stupid jerk – THERE IS NO CENTRAL AUTHORITY RESPONSIBLE FOR INTERPRETING ISLAMIC DOGMA (nee dogma read bullshit) – SO DO NOT PRETEND THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS THE CORRECT ONE OR THAT EVEN OTHER MUZZELPUTZES SHARE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING AS YOU. They do not, so shit the f u and take your lying arse out of these pages.

  9. mhadjen,
    You really have nothing useful to say, and you are not even on topic. If you want to open up a private conversation debating the points of your book of evil then do it privately. Incidentally, you stupid muslim, religion is a human concept, so keep YOUR beliefs to yourself. I believe that if I offered spiritual alternatives to your bloody “religion” in an islamic country I would be attacked – so please tell us why you should be spared from what you and your fellow islamic scum do to others. As for distorting the reputation of islam – islam does that itself. Shall we list for you, on a daily basis, the crimes that muslims have committed against others, with references and then compare the numbers against non-muslims. In terms of violence you pathetic morons are well ahead. Incidentally you stupid jerk – THERE IS NO CENTRAL AUTHORITY RESPONSIBLE FOR INTERPRETING ISLAMIC DOGMA (nee dogma read bullshit) – SO DO NOT PRETEND THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS THE CORRECT ONE OR THAT EVEN OTHER MUZZELPUTZES SHARE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING AS YOU. They do not, so shit the f u and take your lying arse out of these pages!!! Doctor ?? What a joke and an insult to the profession – you could not even diagnose a cut finger!!1

  10. mhajden,
    you are off topic and with little to say. If you want to discuss the sayings of your book of evil then do it in private. Incidentally, since there is NO central authority in any branch of the islamic perversions that can interpret dogma in a manner that is accepted by all muslims, your interpretations means nothing except that that is what you were brainwashed to believe. Other muslims will not agree and you never find a consensus. So every thing you have written on this topic is your understanding, and to imply that you are speaking for islam is at best a lie. Understand this – you have nothing to offer and the reason that islam countries are third world countries is because of islam. you have accomplished nothing, and yet you dream to convince yourselves that you are something. There are bright people who believe in the muslim faith, but their achievements are despite islam, and you are neither terribly bright nor terribly well educated.

  11. reddog333
    in this verse 9:3god disown and free himself from any obligation for those who worship others, the polytheists..And honestly I don’t see what u think is wrong with that,unless u want god to support those who worship other things but not him.
    As I mentioned earlier if u tried to be fair and continue reading one more verse 9:4 it says (In exception to those who associate others with Allah in His Divinity are those with whom you have made treaties and who have not violated their treaties nor have backed up anyone against you. Fulfil your treaties with them till the end of their term. Surely Allah loves the pious.)
    Another translation
    (Except those idolaters with whom you have a treaty, who have not failed you in the least, nor helped anyone against you. Fulfil your obligations to them during the term (of the treaty). God loves those who take heed for themselves.)
    God tells us to respect treaties and never break them unless broken by the other party.that is very clear in these Aiayt I don’t know what do u think is wrong with them.

  12. How do you know what translation I was quoting from??? Everyone here still thinks you are a pervert because you accused me of being a dummy and said you want to kick my ass.

  13. To kaw
    “you are off topic and with little to say”
    Am not the one who insist to attack people personally ,you do that, you are off topic and u have little logic to say that is why u hide ur ignorance with personal attack.
    “since there is NO central authority in any branch of the Islamic perversions that can interpret dogma in a manner that is accepted by all Muslims,”
    I think this reflects how little u know about Islam, I agree there are certain differences regarding the interpretation of some details but the general guidelines are very much consensual .what kind of religion would tell people to break treaties, betray others and break your oath..do u think 1.2 Billion people would accept that ?while u said ur self that there are bright people who believe in Muslim faith. You cant convince a little child with this logic, I think you should stick to ribaldry and name calling.

    “the reason that islam countries are third world countries is because of islam. you have accomplished nothing, and yet you dream to convince yourselves that you are something”
    I think you have to look at the picture from a wider horizon..when u say this people, religion or nation is third world or first world u r being very narrow minded ,can you tell me for how long have these countries described as first or third world been like that..Take America for example, how old is America? 300 or 400 years? What is 400 hundred years comparing to the age of humanity? it is like a blink of the eye..the Muslims dominated the world for a lot more than that and they built universities and printed books when Europeans were in dark ages..do u know that Alazhar is the oldest university in history.do u know that African Nubian kingdoms were the greatest in the world and they invaded even Asia before even Islam or Christianity appear? Who would believe back then that black people would end up like that? What am trying to say that first and third world is just a matter of time and history has turns and there will be time where maybe Arabs,Indians or Africans will take the lead..it doesn’t have anything to do with religion.

  14. reddog333

    “Everyone here still thinks you are a pervert because you accused me of being a dummy and said you want to kick my ass.”
    You said first that u wanted to settle things with me offline responding to some openion i shared..and i said that i am a big man and i can beat u up in a second buti would never do that..i am trying to have a civilised conversation with you.

  15. mhajden you an absolute tool, your an ape please go back into the hole you crawled out from and take the rest of the rag heads with you

  16. That is a great and brave decision to make..can anyone give one reason why shouldn’t Hamburg recognize its Muslim community and give them their rights.
    Owing to labor migration in the 1960s and several waves of political refugees since the 1970s, Islam has become a visible religion in Germany As of 2009, there are 4.3 million Muslims (5.4% of the population). Of these, 1.9 million are German citizens (2.4%).As of 2006, about 15,000 converts are of German ancestry.(Wikipedia).
    Here where I live we have much smaller Christian community, less than 2%..and their rights are completely preserved ..And the whole country take their holiday days off, out of respect to them..Their churches are protected by Muslims before Christians themselves, because Islam is the religion of tolerance and it respects other people’s ideology and enforcing Islam upon someone is completely prohibited in Islam ,I cant see why Germany shouldn’t treat its Muslims community the same.

    1. What tolerance? What respect? What protection?

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  17. So you are judging an entire religion based on the action of a group of lunatics? Can you deny that a lot of mosques were attacked by fanatics in Europe and America? Is it fair to come here and say that all Americans and Europeans are crazy racists and paste the link to the news from all the newspapers in the world? you are being unfair again, an incident like that once happened here few years ago and we formed groups from the neighborhood men to stay up every night and guard the church. Do you know that my young cousin broke his arm helping his Christian friends building a room inside the church?and he is a very religious Muslim..and he did that because Islam tells him to help friends relatives and all people despite their race color or action (we don’t refuse aid to people based on their behavior).

  18. @mhajden
    “So you are judging an entire religion based on the action of a group of lunatics?”

    Well, at least I never would do so. But I realize, that because of some Mahammed cartoons, millions of Muslims flocked the streets to express their anger in the name of Islam and to “protect” Islam. However, I never ever saw the same millions protesting against “actions of a group of lunatics”. I think, that says it all…

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