Almost fair & balanced: ABC's 'Lateline' reports on the Q-Society

Musel spokesclown Ikebal Patel claims “Islam is rich in culture, art & history and people need to be educated about the true nature of Islam”–

That’s what we’re doing, Ikebal. We try to educate the people of Australia, so they can remain free and  prosperous, not become slaves of allah.

Reporter: Ben McLean  ABC Report:

The proposed tour of anti-islamist Dutch MP Geert Wilders has drawn attention to a little known group called The Q Society, which is organising and funding his trip to Australia.

Transcript

EMMA ALBERICI, PRESENTER: Controversial Dutch MP Geert Wilders is expected to tour Australia in February next year.

The anti-Islam politician was due in the country this month, but had to postpone his visit because of a long delay with his visa application.

The proposed tour has drawn attention to a little known Australian group called The Q Society, which is organising and funding his trip.

Ben McLean reports.

BEN MCLEAN, REPORTER: Mosques on suburban streets, burqas in shopping centres, hallal food and Islamic schools, signs of a flourishing multicultural society to many Australians, but to others they are steps down a dangerous path towards a segregated future.

GEOFF DICKSON, Q SOCIETY CO-FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT: Travelling through Europe, I saw the ghettoisation. The intimidation, we suffered it. In England we had death threats when we were in Birmingham from Muslims there.

BEN MCLEAN: But these things aren’t happening in Australia, are they?

GEOFF DICKSON: Not now, but we are definitely following down the same path.

BEN MCLEAN: This is Kew, a well heeled suburb in Melbourne’s inner east and it was here at this local hotel where the Q Society was born two years ago and where it derived its name.

When the society held its annual general meeting in Sydney last week, it granted Lateline exclusive access on the condition no audience members were identified, and they were treated to a personal message from Geert Wilders.

GEERT WILDERS, PARTY FOR FREEDOM, NETHERLANDS: Your government had me wait so long for my visa that it became impossible for me to be here in Sydney today. However, I promise you that I will be in your midst very soon. No threats, no bans, no obstacles have ever prevented me from speaking the truth, and I will also do that in Australia.

BEN MCLEAN: Q Society members describe themselves as volunteers with no political aspirations who just want to wake up Australia to the threat they claim is posed by Islam.

DEBBIE ROBINSON, Q SOCIETY DEPUTY PRESIDENT: There are members throughout each State. We have hundreds of supporters, registered members. There is quite a few thousand on our emailing list. They are from all walks of life, all denominations, all different religions, colour, creed, and from everywhere.

BEN MCLEAN: The previously obscure group shot to prominence when it organised Geert Wilders’ Australian visit. Last month it created another stir, distributing pamphlets protesting against what it claims was the preferencing of Islam in state schools.

DEBBIE ROBINSON: When something encroaches on our society and we’re asked to change, we’re asked to not have Christmas trees, stop having pork, don’t drink alcohol, when we’re asked to change something, it encroaches on our way of life, and we have a good way of life, then we draw the line at that.

BEN MCLEAN: The Q Society doesn’t fit the mould of far right groups like the League of Rights or the Australia First Party. Its platform is non-racist. It supports immigration and has no objections to homosexuality and far from being anti-Semitic, it’s actually a strong supporter of Israel.

That puts the Q Society in step with a number of other overseas movements, from the English Defence League to Stop Islamisation of Europe, which are all vehemently anti-Islam and staunchly pro-Israel.

KEVIN CARROLL, ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE: We believe Israel has the right to exist, we believe Israel has a right to defend itself from any aggressor, Islamist or otherwise.

BEN MCLEAN: In August this year the Q Society and its international allies formed SION, Stop Islamisation of Nations.

The Q Society’s Debbie Robinson is on the steering committee.

SION’s president is Pamela Geller, a New Yorker whose American freedom defence initiative last month plastered the city’s public transport system with posters calling for people to support civilised Israel over savage jihadis.

PAMELA GELLER, PRESIDENT OF SION: I think you could say that SION was set up in response to the global jihad and of course the imposition of blasphemy laws under the Sharia. I don’t care if you worship a stone, just don’t stone me with it. It’s not a religious issue, it is a political issue, and if people come to certain countries to live in those countries, they should respect and obey those laws, not seek to change them.

BEN MCLEAN: In Australia, the Q Society has campaigned vigorously against the so-called ‘boycott divestment and sanctions campaign’ aimed at Israeli and Jewish businesses.

It also led opposition to Muslims using this Melbourne community centre as a prayer hall. Both campaigns attracted support from Jews, but the Australian Jewish Democratic Society says that’s because few people were aware of the Q Society’s agenda.

HAROLD ZWIER, AUSTRALIAN JEWISH DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY: I know there are some individuals that do support the Q Society, but there is no mainstream Jewish organisations. In fact, I don’t know of any organisations in the Jewish community that would give any support to it.

BEN MCLEAN: The group also has links to the Christian Right, particularly the Christian Democratic Party of Reverend Fred Nile. Former Q Society deputy president Vicky Jansen has been a CDP candidate at State and Federal level and spoke at the party’s national convention in 2010 and 2011.

Meanwhile, Australia’s Muslim leaders have already begun discussing how to respond to the Q Society’s campaign and Geert Wilders’ coming visit.

IKEBAL PATEL, PRESIDENT OF MUSLIMS AUST: We as Muslims and Muslim leaders, it is our responsibility to I think educate about Islam to the greater community, to show what true Islam is, to show the various aspects of Islam which is rich in culture and art and history, and try and explain that to the people so that there is a better understanding. I think there is a lot of work that needs to be done.

BEN MCLEAN: It may be the only point on which Muslims and the Q Society agree: People need to be educated about the true nature of Islam.

Ben McLean, Lateline.

30 thoughts on “Almost fair & balanced: ABC's 'Lateline' reports on the Q-Society”

  1. “In fact, I don’t know of any organisations in the Jewish community that would give any support to it.”

    That is unfortunately quite true:(

  2. “We don’t want to draw any unnecessary attention to ourselves…”

    Look at Edgar Bronfman & Abe Foxman, and how vicious they attack Pamela Geller.

    Bloody Kapo’s.

  3. I know. Creeps!

    I had considered compiling a list of today’s Kapos but I think it would take me too long!

    And then I would have to add in Hollyweirds like Streisand, Maher, and Speilberg but then again Speilberg got onto my list after “Munich”.

    Heard an interesting anecdote about Sydney but I cannot write it here.

  4. Only shallow people will boast about making tons of money in a predominantly moslem country. Many nonbelievers failed to ackwnowledege the oppressive nature of islam, till it is too late because of their greed and because they are busy making money in predominanlty moslems country.

  5. Buddhist countries like thailand and burma and cambodia and other asian countries are also known to be oppressive, though in various more subtle ways(and they also pandered alot to islam though in a non obvious ways) and mostly towards poor foreigners.

  6. you’re lying Gramfran. any self-respecting jew would come within a hundred miles of the Q Society … there would be an outrage within the jewish community if Melbourne’s chief rabbi supported the activies of the Q Society …

  7. atheist,
    Gramfan is not lying – and you certainly do NOT speak for the Jewish community – now please justify your position.

  8. @atheist
    “Harold Zwier speaks for the Jewish community … and Gramfan is lying”

    And you know this how?

    Since when have you, of all people, become an arbiter of truth, let alone a mind reader?

    He may speak for SOME in the Jewish community because these useful idiots can’t see how they are supporting their own destruction.

    Do you seriously think that all Jews think alike?

    Have you not heard that joke about 2 Jews and 3 opinions?

    They are just like any other group of people in the community and so they all have their own opinions…just like atheists.

    Please don’t tell me you think the same way all atheists think because that couldn’t be true.

    Thanks, Kaw:)

  9. @atheist

    “Harold Zwier speaks for the Jewish community … and Gramfan is lying”

    Spoken to him lately have you? Are you a Jewish atheist?

    No he doesn’t!He may speak for some of them but not all of them.

    I’m lying?

    And you know this how? Since when did you become an arbiter of truth and a mind reader?

    There’s an old joke: 2 Jews, 3 opinions. Heard that one?

    There is rarely a totally united opinion in any group of people, including atheists and yes, even Muslims!

    Unfortunately many people, including Jews and atheists, are totally ignorant of Islam and happily play long towards their own destruction like the useful idiots they are.

    Thanks, Kaw:)

  10. @Sheikyermami,

    Demonstrating once again, why liberalism is a mental disorder.

    @Gramfan October 27, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Well said!

    @atheist

    What right does anyone person have to speak for an entire religious population?

    And how do you know he speaks for everyone?

  11. Jews ignorant of Islam? LOL …you’re the ignorant one. If you’d bother to do some reasearch on why the Jewish community as a whole generally distances itself from organisations such at the QS, then you might find the answer to your stupid post above .. Doubt that will ever happen.. Blind hatred knows no bounds.. Wake me up when the chief rabbi of Melbourne or Sydney endorses the QS ..

  12. In typical lefty looney fashion he believes Jews are under a central command and no Jew can think for himself, but must be told by some ‘chief rabbi’.

    ‘atheist’, like all totalitarians, is lost without a Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler or Obama. People like him can’t, and will not, think for themselves.

    They are obsessed that everyone needs to be controlled by a peoples committee in a police state, people who will lord over us and make sure that no one thinks out of the box.

    Progressives really know what we need, better than anybody else. Right atheist?

    1. The left gives unqualified support to islam (because islam is a fellow-enemy of the west and Christianity) it therefore supports ALL of islam, from beastiality, necrophilia, baby-thighing, pederasty, the homo-denial-lifestyle, genital mutilation, honor killings, slavery…

      They claim ‘we hate’ or we harbour “blind hatred” (like atheist does;) but we don’t. We care. We care about our culture, our civilisation, freedom (which is such “a right wing thing”) and the values we hold dear. The left doesn’t have any values, (they believe they are value free) they have no morals, no scruples, no decency, no loyalty, no love for country or humanity, no sense of right and wrong. They only respect force and they will lie, steal, murder and deceive to achieve power. They adhere a totalitarian ideal, which always ends in dictatorship.

      The left hates our society and itself; and supports what’s far worse: islam.

      They are psychopaths. I’ll prove it, here.

  13. thanks guys for proving why the jewish community distances itself from the QS …..
    Hill … do doubt you know that Obama will secure over 70pc of the jewish vote in the US election.. By your logic they have a mental disorder. Then you defend the likes of Gramfan who labels liberal jews kapos . you are all truly disgraceful..

  14. another deranged rant giving further proof why not one single jewish group in australia supports the QS …..

  15. @atheist,

    Tsk…tsk…tsk. “your stupid post above “???

    Come, come atheist you can do better then that.

    When one is unable to answer a questions, one insults and name calls. As if you really could deflect us with name calling.

    I reiterate my previous point that you willfully ignored and stand by it.

    “What right does anyone person have to speak for an entire religious population?

    And how do you know he speaks for everyone?”

    I will also add, you can not possibly know the thoughts of every single Jew and to what position they would take.

    You presume to know their minds and to speak for them.

    Sheik is correct. You are the typical liberal poser you preach about freedoms and being free, but when it comes right down to it liberals are always, “obsessed that everyone needs to be controlled by a peoples committee in a police state.” -That reflects one who has a mental disorder.

    Obama, secure 70% of the Jewish vote? Uh, no. Most likely the Progressive Jewish votes. They will bloke vote a party, the Democrats. No surprise there. But, the Conservatives Jews. I don’t see it. They have enough self respect to remember the actions and hostilities of the last four years towards them/their religion/Israel/ Netanyahu.

    How or where is Gramfan wrong to use the word kapo? Debbie Wassermann Schultz is a kapo to shill to other Jews for a president who is hostile (subversively? ) to Jews. Has the president ever said, “What ever happens”, I/America will stand by the side of the Jews? No he didn’t say that to the Jews, but to the Jews sworn enemy.

    And yes, if a Jew (or anyone else for that matter.) would chose to vote for a man who is hostile to them and has the capacity for despotism, and is comfortable disregarding (Constitutional) law. As well as, knowingly lets his citizens die-Benghazi; the command to Woods et al., was “Let them die.” and you would still vote for this man, then, yes you have a mental disorder.

    Before you answer, atheist, think very hard on the implications of the a fore mentioned actions of the POTUS and what they imply upon the greater livelihood and lives of others. And if you cannot grasp it’s meaning, then you have a mental disorder.

    What makes it all the more shameful for a Jew to vote for Obama is that many Jews are either the progeny or kin of Jews murdered in concentration camps or under Stalin’s purges; recalling this personal history and one would still vote for a man who shares many of the traits and hostilities of the foes of your ancestors, from only mere decades ago and you would still knowingly chose to vote for this person, then yes, yes, you do have a mental disorder.

    Just because ‘you’ prefer to see no evil and hear no evil. Do not expect everyone else to be a coward like you.

    The truth is ugly. I am unapologetic and unashamed for my views. Because I know history will prove me ( and many others here) right. Just as history did for the fearless journalists, Gareth Jones and Malcolm Muggeridge, who shone the dim lights of honour and righteousness on the ugly truth.

  16. @Sheik.

    Wow. Simply wow! That was beautifully articulated.

    “They claim ‘we hate’ or we harbour “blind hatred” (like atheist does;) but we don’t. We care. We care about our culture, our civilisation, freedom (which is such “a right wing thing”) and the values we hold dear. The left doesn’t have any values, (they believe they are value free) they have no morals, no scruples, no decency, no loyalty, no love for country or humanity, no sense of right and wrong. They only respect force and they will lie, steal, murder and deceive to achieve power. They adhere a totalitarian ideal, which always ends in dictatorship.”

  17. I stand by statement that no self-respecting jew would ever support the QS. I also standy by statement that it was stupidty on Gramfan’s part to say it is unfortunate that jewish groups don’t support the QS. This shows utter ignorance of jewish history and culture.

    question for Hill.. When George Bush said Islam was a religion of peace was he talking for all muslims?

  18. The people in the Q society are doing exactly what a democracy requires. They see a problem and they are trying to address it through political means. I suspect “atheist” has not learned very much from history. however he is entitled to his opinions even if the justification he uses is rather weak, if non-existent.What is not ok are people trying to shut the Q society down because they do not agree with them. What is amusing is that the people who try to silence the Q society have said nothing about the significant problems that muslim have brought with them and continue to do so.

  19. @kaw,

    IMO, Under an open society, the Q Society have the right to exist and voice their disapproval. Whist others in an open society have the right, not to agree with the Q Society. I have no problem with atheist opinions. I have a problem with the fact that apologist like atheist are dangerous for the rest of us.

    @ atheist

    Your rebuttal is to bring up George Bush? How disappointing and common. George Bush. Was that supposed to be your grande gotcha?

    As an aside, It is rather interesting that a self avowed atheist of no religion claims to speak and know the minds of all Jews.

    You presume to think that because I have a cynical and contemptuous view of Liberals that I am a supporter of GWB? I am not.

    For the record, George Bush was wrong to ever infer the words Islam and the phrase “religion of peace” in the same sentence. There are over 19,0000 examples of empirical evidence since 9/11 that demonstrates otherwise.

    You said, “This shows utter ignorance of jewish history and culture.”
    No. What is shows is an honest dialogue, using an unsavory example of Jewish and WWII history to illustrate the commonality with the present.

    Again, where is the ignorance? No one said the truth was pretty.

    Finally, you either are here to engage in a debate or dialogue or you are really here to condescend. One has the potential to make you interesting, the either marks you as a sanctimonious bore.

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