Al BeBeeCeera Push For a Mosque in Athens

by sheikyermami on December 28, 2012

Its like Piers Morgenputz telling America to get rid of the first and second amendment and rewrite the Bible to include homo marriage. 

Once great Britain seems to be awash with metrosexual missionaries and BBC scribblers who know what’s good for other nations, while their own is going down the gurgler. Mark Lowen writes a lot of tosh about  how Muslims have to tough it out in Greece, but conveniently forgets to mention anything about the Greeks who once lived in what is now Turkey. What happened to them, Mark?

Athens – the EU capital city without a mosque

By Mark Lowen BBC News, Athens

At Friday prayers and across Athens, Muslims gather in underground, cramped prayer rooms.

The makeshift facilities are illegal but this huge community faces no other option. Athens, a metropolis on the edge of the Muslim world, is the only EU capital without a mosque.

Since Greece gained independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1832, no government has allowed a mosque to be built in the city. It was seen by many as “un-Greek” – out of place in a country in which much more than 90% of the population are Orthodox Christians.

But as Greece has become the main entry point for migrants to the EU, its Muslim population has swelled.

Some estimates place the number of Muslims in Athens alone at around 300,000, in a city with a population of around five million, and the clamour for an official place of prayer is growing.

“It is a very big tragedy for us Muslims that there is no mosque here,” says Syed Mohammad Jamil from the Pakistan-Hellenic Society.

“Greece produced democracy and civilisation and the respect of religion – but they don’t respect our Muslims to provide us with a regular, legal mosque.”

One of the Friday worshippers, Ashifaq Ahmad, says: “I feel somehow cut off from society.

“When we have a celebration, there is nowhere proper for us to get together. Society is not accepting us.”

Barracks plan

Pressure on the government to provide a secure, protected mosque has grown as the neo-fascist Golden Dawn party continues to rise.

Its members stand accused of beating immigrants and vandalising some of the underground prayer rooms.

The party’s deputy, Ilias Panagiotaros, told me earlier in the year that landmines should be placed on Greece’s border with Turkey, saying: “If immigrants die trying to jump into our country, that’s their problem.”

Now perhaps the call for a place of worship may be answered.

A disused army barracks near the city centre has been chosen as a site for the capital’s first mosque.

Behind heavy gates lie old buildings, broken glass and rubble strewn across the floors. The crumbling shells currently there would be torn down, making space for a mosque that could accommodate 500 people.

If it is built, Muslims entering would catch sight of a small church next door, the two religions finally operating officially shoulder to shoulder.

The government insists the project will go ahead, but similar plans have been promised in the past – only to fall foul of political infighting.

And the financial crisis could still blow the idea off course. A government struggling to afford schoolbooks or healthcare may find it hard to announce 1m euros (£814,000; $1.3m) for a state-funded mosque.

“In the past, there was a fear in some segments of Greek society about constructing a mosque but we must overcome that fear,” says Stratos Simopoulos, the secretary general of the ministry for development.

“The financial crisis is a problem. The government has other priorities for now, but this mosque must be constructed and we may be in a position to start the process in a few months.”

I ask whether he is committed to the plan.

“Of course”, he replies, “because it’s not my commitment – it’s a commitment of the Greek state.”

And yet there is still resistance within the country.

‘Islamic tyranny’

The Greek Church has warmed to the mosque idea but some senior ecclesiastical figures remain opposed.

In a packed service in St Nicolas’s Church in Piraeus, just outside Athens, the strength of religious devotion is clear.

Members of the congregation kiss the icons and repeatedly cross themselves. Orthodox Christianity goes to the heart of what it means to be Greek and the Bishop here, Seraphim, says his nation must preserve its identity.

“Greece suffered five centuries of Islamic tyranny under Turkish rule and building a mosque would offend the martyrs who freed us,” he says.

Greece, he adds, “does not hate anyone” but he believes that “most Muslims have come here illegally” to, as he puts it, “Islamise Europe”.

I put it to him that his position appears Islamophobic, out of touch with a multicultural European Union, and his response may betray other prejudices too.

“We are not a multicultural country,” the Greek bishop says. “We are one Greek nation and everything else is an invention of the ‘new order’ and of Zionism. They are trying to corrupt our character.”

‘Hypocrisy’

On the streets of Athens, opinions are mixed.

“Muslims should have their temple,” says Kali Patounia, a banker.

“Greek immigrants in other countries build their own churches and perform their own religion, so it’s hypocritical.”

Marios, a student, disagrees. “We must not have a mosque here,” he tells me.

“This is a Christian country and if they want a mosque, they can go back to their own countries and have one.”

Religion is intrinsic to national identity here and Church and state are closely linked. The mosque issue has become a symbol of what sort of state today’s Greece is willing to become.

The financial crisis has made this nation more inward-looking, more fearful.

However for Greece the decision is whether to extend its hand fully to Islam – and whether its capital will no longer stand alone in Europe.

Those who have extended their hand to Islam have lost their arms, and their lives. There are no exceptions. So why is this BBC tosser so adamant that the Greeks agree to their own annihilation?

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{ 11 comments }

Red Rose December 28, 2012 at 2:39 pm

Quote: The party’s deputy, Ilias Panagiotaros, told me earlier in the year that landmines should be placed on Greece’s border with Turkey, saying: “If immigrants die trying to jump into our country, that’s their problem.”

A splendid solution. I totally agree. It would certainly send a message to would-be immigrants. No wonder the membership of the Golden Dawn party is increasing. Someone has to get tough with unwelcome 3rd-worlders because governments will not.

Billions of them are swamping all Western countries and turning them into the 3rd-world hellholes they are running from. They have got to be stopped. At any price. They do not improve the countries they invade. Their aim is to turn everyone in the world into braindead zombies like themselves.

Walter Sieruk December 28, 2012 at 4:06 pm

A former Muslim and Hezbollah member but now a Christian, Dr. Daniel Shayesth, on page 99 of his book ISLAM : THE HOUSE I LEFT BEHIND explained something which very much applies to the above article. His book reads “The mosque is vital for establishing Muslims as soverign over non-Muslims in a non-Islamic society. Building a mosque in a non-Islamic society or country symbolizies Islam’s claim over that society or country, even with a non-Muslim majority.”

Hill December 28, 2012 at 4:54 pm

There was a time when an Englishman (Lord Byron) would die for the Greeks to be free from the Tyranny of the Turks and Islam.

Depressingly, fast forward almost two hundred years later, and the descendents of those very same Englishmen are now advocating that the Greeks enslave themselves to the same tyranny they once over threw to be free from a culture that suppressed their language, culture and religion for over four hundred years.

@Sheik,

The bishop is right to be weary of a mosque. Not only is it s matter of what happened to “the Greeks who once lived in what is now Turkey.”

Let us recall how in more recent years the Turkish government in 1955 orchestrated and organized murder against Greeks living in Constantinople in the “Istanbul Riots”, where Greeks were raped, beaten and murdered. (Sound familiar?)

Not to mention that on that night in 1955, Muslims also vandalized, burned or destroyed churches, monasteries and Greek schools.

Demonstrating, as only the Muslims can, how they practice peace and tolerance of other religions.

Lauren December 28, 2012 at 9:19 pm

This should teach muslims a lesson when they try to stop Christians from having churches or try to kill Christians just for not being muslims. If they want a mosque that badly, they can go back to their country of origin and go to a mosque. It’s that simple.

PJG December 28, 2012 at 9:26 pm

“I put it to him that his position appears Islamophobic, out of touch with a multi’cultural European Union, and his response may betray other prejudices too.”

Journalists have no business accusing people in this fashion. What an arrogant fool.

John December 29, 2012 at 1:24 am

TV license fee paying for this shite?

Hill December 29, 2012 at 1:24 am

Sheik,

I posted earlier on this thread, Do you think you can find my post?

Thanks,

H.

sheikyermami December 29, 2012 at 1:36 am

You bet.

sheikyermami December 29, 2012 at 1:37 am

Did we mention Cyprus yet?

Hill December 29, 2012 at 2:14 am

Ahh.. Occupied Cyprus!

One of the more ‘real’ issues of land disputes where the UN should be focusing on rather like Tibet, but won’t because they can’t take hits at the Jews and no one really cares if the Greeks Cypriots are pissed that their land was invaded and is still occupied by Turkish Muslims as recent as 1974.

Cyprus has no value…political or monetary.

It has no feel good value for the activists.

…but it is a prudent bargaining tool for the Turks. Cyprus is useful for the Turks; they can pretend during any future international negotiations that they will hand Cyprus back to the Greeks, but they won’t.

Like everything else infested by Muslims, Northern Cyprus is a shithole and what was once beautiful has fallen into crumbling disrepair and squalor.

Funny enough, I was recently reading something online, where there are Turks who believe that Cyprus was never Greek and thus the Greeks have no legitimate claim to the island. SMH and eye roll.

Georgina December 29, 2012 at 12:47 pm

Since just saying that I don’t approve of islam – since it doesnÄt approve of me – is considered a rascist attack, I cannot take these people at there word.

Muslims say they have been attacked, can they prove it?

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