Vic court: “Jihad can never have a non-violent connotation?” “No. War is war”

“Jihad means holy war, a war against the disbelievers”.

“So it can never have a non-violent connotation?”

“No. War is war,” Ms Oujami said.

We need more Arabic translators  like Ms Oujami.

“The meaning is clear and that context makes the meaning clear. The words aren’t ambiguous.”

  • Last year Karabegovic and two men unfurled a banner from an overpass in the Melbourne suburb of Malvern that read: “Get your troops out of Muslim lands you filthy kafir.”
  • They then drove to Roxburgh Park where they unfurled another banner that said: “Get your troops out of Muslim lands you dirty convict pigs.”

The pair discussed ideas contained in the magazine, including building remote-controlled bombs, poisoning the water supply and lighting bushfires

A Melbourne man accused of collecting al-Qaeda magazines in preparation for a terrorist attack engaged in jihadist chanting during intercepted telephone calls, a court has heard.

Adnan Karabegovic faces 12 charges of collecting and possessing material in connection with the preparation of a terrorist act.

Melbourne Magistrates Court heard on Monday that Karabegovic, 24, of Officer, had downloaded six issues of the magazine Inspire.

Prosecutor Daniel Gurvich said the magazine contained a section called “open source jihad”, which describes itself as a resource manual for jihad training at home and a “disaster for the repressive imperialistic nations”.

Arabic translator Vera Oujami said she listened to hundreds of recordings of Karabegovic’s telephone conversations, during which he sometimes engaged in “jihadist chanting”.

When asked by Karabegovic’s lawyer George Georgiou SC what the word “jihad” meant, Ms Oujami said it meant “holy war, a war against the disbelievers”.

“So it can never have a non-violent connotation?” asked Mr Georgiou.

“No. War is war,” Ms Oujami said.

“The meaning is clear and that context makes the meaning clear. The words aren’t ambiguous.”

The court heard how last year, Karabegovic and two men unfurled a banner from an overpass in the Melbourne suburb of Malvern that read: “Get your troops out of Muslim lands you filthy kafir.”

They then drove to Roxburgh Park where they unfurled another banner that said: “Get your troops out of Muslim lands you dirty convict pigs.”

Karabegovic was then recorded as saying he wanted to make a plan and execute it and that his intention was much bigger than what they had done, said Mr Gurvich.

During one conversation Karabegovic said: “You’re either preparing for war or you’re war” and that he was “living in the time of jihad”.

Mr Gurvich said Karabegovic had urged his brother to read Inspire and spoke to him about the need for action and the prospect of going to jail.

He said Karabegovic spoke with his brother about going to Bosnia and buying a gun.

Mr Gurvich said the pair discussed ideas contained in the magazine, including building remote-controlled bombs, poisoning the water supply and lighting bushfires.

“I think in that new (issue of Inspire), number nine, they talk about Australia and how to make bombs, petrol bombs, for bushfires in Australia,” Karabegovic allegedly said.

Mr Gurvich said that when police searched Karabegovic’s home in September they found a USB stick in his pants containing four issues of Inspire, with articles such as “Make a bomb in the kitchen of your mum” and “What to expect in jihad”.

Karabegovic told police he only read the magazines for the opinion and current affairs articles.

Digital forensic investigator Calvin Wills told the court there was no way to determine which pages of the magazine had been viewed on Karabegovic’s laptop.

Karabegovic, who is on bail, was accompanied by his father in court.

The committal hearing continues.

 

One thought on “Vic court: “Jihad can never have a non-violent connotation?” “No. War is war””

  1. Political correctness = factual incorrectness (lying; fraud; CRIME).

    Deliberately maintaining the LIE that Jihad = “peaceful inner struggle,” against ALL the clear evidence and Qur’anic definitions to the contrary, is not only to wilfully engage in perpetuating the perpetration of the crime of public deception, but to act as a willing accessory enabling all the crimes of our self-determined moslem enemies.

    Any lawyer, judge, or politician who enages in such practices is a criminal and an outlaw, and so should be dealt with accordingly.

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