Along comes Tony BLiar: ‘there is a problem within Islam…”

This is a guy who reads the Koran, ‘daily’.

Blair  helped Jihadist terrorists in Bosnia and Kosovo and used Western armed forces to kill those fighting the Jihadists. Now he has a “problem” with Jihadists looking to spread Islam by the sword?

Remember: this is the co-conspirator who, together with the despicable Klintoons,  sent NATO to bomb the Christian Serbs when they were defending themselves against the jihad. This is the clown who wanted to be  head-honcho of the EUSSR, and when that failed he sold his ass and the kitchen sink to the Arabs, who rewarded him with a paltry 36 million pounds. This is the clown who’s government flooded Britain with millions of Islamic welfare seekers “to stick it to the Tories”, and his hideous wife, a lawyer, helped even the worst terrorists and genocidal lunatics to get around the hurdles in the immigration system.

Lord Haw Haw  was hanged  for his treason,  Tony Bliar’s  treason is being rewarded. WTF is wrong with the Brits?
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Tony Blair says murder of Lee Rigby PROVES ‘there is a problem within Islam’

  • Ex-PM says ‘the ideology behind his murder is profound and dangerous’
  • Bold intervention comes of ever of Cameron Commons speech
  • Blair urges governments to ‘be honest’

 Daily Mail

Stark view: Tony Blair says that extremism is more widespread than most politicians admitStark view: Tony Blair says that Islamic extremism is more widespread than most politicians admit

Tony Blair today makes his most powerful political intervention since leaving Downing Street by launching an outspoken attack on ‘the problem within Islam’.

The former Prime Minister addresses the shocking killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich by going further than he – or any front-rank British politician – has gone before over the issue of Muslim radicalism.

Writing in today’s Mail on Sunday, he departs from the usual argument that Islam is a peaceful religion that should not be tainted by the actions of a few extremists.

Instead, Mr Blair urges governments to ‘be honest’ and admit that the problem is more widespread.

‘There is a problem within Islam – from the adherents of an ideology which is a strain within Islam,’ he writes.

‘We have to put it on the table and be honest about it. Of course there are Christian extremists and Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu ones. But I am afraid this strain is not the province of a few extremists. It has at its heart a view about religion and about the interaction between religion and politics that is not compatible with pluralistic, liberal, open-minded societies.’

Of course? Of course not.
There are no ‘Christian extremists, Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu ones’- none of them adhere to a genocidal ideology that seeks world domination. BLiar is full of shiite, always was.

 

He adds: ‘At the extreme end of the spectrum are terrorists, but the world view goes deeper and wider than it is comfortable for us to admit. So by and large we don’t admit it.’

Mr Blair’s comments are likely to be seized on by critics who will argue that by leading us into the Iraq War he has helped to swell support for radical Islam around the globe.

Outspoken: The former Prime Minister addresses the shocking killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich by going further than he ¿ or any front-rank British politician ¿ has gone before over the issue of Muslim radicalismOutspoken: The former Prime Minister addresses the shocking killing of Drummer Lee Rigby, pictured, by going further than he – or any front-rank British politician – has gone before over the issue of Muslim radicalism

The former PM’s remarks come as David Cameron prepares to make a Commons statement about the Woolwich murder tomorrow afternoon.

The statement will come just hours after the first meeting of the Prime Minister’s Tackling Extremism and Radicalisation Task Force (TERFOR) – made up of senior Ministers, MI5, police and moderate religious leaders – tomorrow morning.

Whitehall sources said that it would be a ‘preliminary meeting’ to draw up the agenda for a full meeting within days. The group, which the Muslim Foreign Office Minister Baroness Warsi, will examine new powers to muzzle hate preachers.

Mr Cameron’s Commons speech is also expected to address the situation in Syria.

In his article, Mr Blair, who is trying to establish a Palestinian state through his work as a peace envoy, also addresses the Syrian situation, warning: ‘We are at the beginning of this tragedy .  .  . Syria is in a state of accelerating disintegration.

Charged: Michael Adebowale
Michael Adebolajo pictured

Accused: Michael Adebowale, 22, left, and Michael Adebolajo, 28, right, have both been charged with the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby, who was killed last month in Woolwich, South London

‘President Assad is brutally pulverising communities hostile to his regime.’ Mr Blair says that ‘the overwhelming desire of the West is to stay out of it’, which he goes on to describe as ‘completely understandable’.

He suggests that ‘the problem within Islam’ can start to be tackled by ‘educating children about faith here and abroad’.

Sir Malcolm Rifkind, a former Foreign Secretary and chairman of the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee, said: ‘Much of what Tony Blair says is sensible.

‘The Islamic terrorists who kill people have the silent support of many more in their community who share their ideology, if not their methods.

‘But even combined, they represent only a small minority of British Muslims, and we must never forget that.

‘However, he appears to be still trying to justify the Iraq War rather than acknowledging that that war provided an unprecedented opportunity for the Sunni and Shia extremists to slaughter so many of their co-religionists.’

Criticial: Mr Blair's comments are likely to be seized on by critics who will argue that by leading us into the Iraq War he has helped to swell support for radical Islam. He is pictured meeting British troops in Iraq in 2003Criticial: Mr Blair’s comments are likely to be seized on by critics who will argue that by leading us into the Iraq War he has helped to swell support for radical Islam. He is pictured meeting British troops in Iraq in 2003

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Robert Spencer plucks this goose:

Tony Blair: There is a problem within Islam, but not a problem with Islam

“Profound” and dangerous? Profound, according to Merriam Webster, means “having intellectual depth and insight”; “difficult to fathom or understand”; “extending far below the surface”; “coming from, reaching to, or situated at a depth : deep-seated” (a profound sigh); “characterized by intensity of feeling or quality”; and “all encompassing : complete (profound sleep) (profound deafness).” Islam doesn’t have any notable intellectual depth — the much-vaunted Muslim philosophers were generally dismissed within the umma as heretics. Nor is it difficult to fathom or understand, contrary to the lies and obfuscations of Islamic supremacist spokesmen (You have to have a degree in Islam! You have to be fluent in Arabic! Etc.) Sufi mysticism may extend far below the surface, but that is not what Blair is talking about; nor does he seem to mean that Islam comes from a depth, or is characterized by intensity of feeling, or is all-encompassing (although that it certainly is, with a law for everything). It seems as if he meant “profoundly dangerous,” not “profound and dangerous.” But apparently no one in his office or any of the dopes at the Daily Mail noticed the odd word choice.

Anyway, this profoundly incoherent article represents an advance in the grasp of the jihad problem among the Western intelligentsia, but it is still severely marred by a great deal of politically correct willful ignorance and wrong analysis.

“The ideology behind Lee Rigby’s murder is profound and dangerous. Why don’t we admit it?: Tony Blair launches a brave assault on Muslim extremism after Woolwich attack,” by Tony Blair in the Daily Mail, June 1 (thanks to all who sent this in):

There is only one view of the murder of Lee Rigby: horrific. But there are two views of its significance.One is that it is the act of crazy people, motivated in this case by a perverted idea about Islam, but of no broader significance.

Crazy people do crazy things. So don’t overreact.

The other view is that this act was indeed horrible; and that the ideology which inspired it is profound and dangerous.

I am of this latter view.

So of course we shouldn’t overreact. We didn’t after July 7, 2005. But we did act. And we were right to. The actions by our security services will undoubtedly have prevented other serious attacks.

The ‘Prevent’ programme in local communities was sensible. The new measures of the Government seem reasonable and proportionate.

However, we are deluding ourselves if we believe that we can protect this country simply by what we do here. The ideology is out there. It isn’t diminishing.

Consider the Middle East. As of now, Syria is in a state of accelerating disintegration. President Assad is brutally pulverising communities hostile to his regime. At least 80,000 have died. The refugees now total more than one million. The internally displaced are more than four million.

Many in the region believe that the Assad intention is to ethnically cleanse the Sunni from the areas dominated by his regime and then form a separate state around Lebanon. There would then be a de facto Sunni state in the rest of Syria, cut off from the wealth of the country or the sea.

The Syrian opposition is made up of many groups. The fighters are increasingly the Al Qaeda- affiliated group Jabhat al-Nusra. They are winning support, and arms and money from outside the country.

Assad is using chemical weapons on a limited but deadly scale. Some of the stockpiles are in fiercely contested areas.

The overwhelming desire of the West is to stay out of it. This is completely understandable. But we must also understand: we are at the beginning of this tragedy. Its capacity to destabilise the region is clear.

 

If Blair wants to see the region further destabilized, just wait until the British and American troops get there. There are no significant non-jihadist elements among the Syrian opposition, so we would be fighting to establish an Islamic supremacist state with a significant jihadist presence. What could possibly go wrong?

Jordan is behaving with exemplary courage, but there is a limit to the refugees it can reasonably be expected to absorb. Lebanon is now fragile as Iran pushes Hezbollah into the battle. Al Qaeda is back trying to cause carnage in Iraq and Iran continues its gruesome meddling there.To the South in Egypt and across North Africa, Muslim Brotherhood parties are in power, but the contradiction between their ideology and their ability to run modern economies means that they face growing instability and pressure from more extreme groups.

Then there is the Iranian regime, still intent on getting a nuclear weapon, still exporting terror and instability to the West and the east of it. In sub-Saharan Africa, Nigeria is facing awful terror attacks. In Mali, France has been fighting a pretty tough battle.

And we haven’t mentioned Pakistan or Yemen. Go to the Far East and look at the western border between Burma and Bangladesh. Look at recent events in Bangladesh itself, or the Mindanao dispute in the Muslim region of the Philippines.

In many of the most severely affected areas, one other thing is apparent: a rapidly growing population. The median age in the Middle East is in the mid-20s. In Nigeria it’s 19. In Gaza, where Hamas hold power, a quarter of the population is under five.

When I return to Jerusalem soon, it will be my 100th visit to the Middle East since leaving office, working to build a Palestinian state. I see first-hand in this region what is happening.

 

He is saying there is a problem with the jihad ideology while simultaneously working to establish a “Palestinian” state that would be from the first to the last solely a jihad base to launch renewed jihad attacks against Israel. Madness.

So I understand the desire to look at this world and explain it by reference to local grievances, economic alienation and of course ‘crazy people’. But are we really going to examine it and find no common thread, nothing that joins these dots, no sense of an ideology driving or at least exacerbating it all?There is not a problem with Islam. For those of us who have studied it, there is no doubt about its true and peaceful nature. There is not a problem with Muslims in general. Most in Britain will be horrified at Lee Rigby’s murder.

 

“There is not a problem with Islam. For those of us who have studied it, there is no doubt about its true and peaceful nature.” There’s that weird word choice again. “True and peaceful nature” — so Blair thinks Islam’s nature is true and peaceful? Will he then convert to Islam, if he thinks it is true? Doubtful — it is more likely that he means that Islam’s true nature is peaceful. But how did a man who writes English so incoherently rise to become Prime Minister?

And as for the idea that Islam’s true nature is peaceful, which Qur’an did he read? Did he read the sura entitled “The Spoils of War” (chapter eights)? Did he read that Muslims must fight until religion is all for Allah (8:39)? That they must make ready the steeds of war to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah (8:60)? Slay the pagans wherever they find them (9:5; cf. 2:191 and 4:89)? Fight against and subjugate the Jews and Christians (9:29)? Behead the unbelievers (47:4)? Did he read the many hadiths that support the idea that Muslims must fight against and subjugate Infidels? Did he study the rulings of Islamic jurists who all say the same thing?

Anyway, here he has contradicted himself. He earlier dismissed the idea that Rigby’s murder was motivated by “a perverted idea about Islam,” and opts instead for the idea that “the ideology which inspired it is profound and dangerous.” But if “there is not a problem with Islam,” then this ideology that is “profound and dangerous” must be a “perverted idea about Islam,” no? Well, sort of. Blair will allow that while there is not a problem with Islam, there is a problem with “the adherents of an ideology that is a strain within Islam.” Apparently this “strain within Islam” doesn’t constitute a “problem with Islam.” Maybe it is something like having a tumor but being otherwise healthy: the tumor must be benign. But of course it isn’t benign: it is “a problem.” Yes, it’s a problem, but it doesn’t make for a problem with the larger body. If all this makes sense to you, congratulations: you have mastered the muddled mind of Tony Blair.

But there is a problem within Islam – from the adherents of an ideology that is a strain within Islam. And we have to put it on the table and be honest about it.Of course there are Christian extremists and Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu ones. But I am afraid this strain is not the province of a few extremists. It has at its heart a view about religion and about the interaction between religion and politics that is not compatible with pluralistic, liberal, open-minded societies.

 

Where are Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu extremists murdering people and justifying the murders by quoting their holy texts? Where are they working to conquer and subjugate those who believe differently, based on mandates of conquest and subjugation that are found in those holy texts?

At the extreme end of the spectrum are terrorists, but the world view goes deeper and wider than it is comfortable for us to admit. So by and large we don’t admit it. This has two effects. First, those with that view think we are weak and that gives them strength.Second, those within Islam – and the good news is there are many – who actually know this problem exists and want to do something about it, lose heart. All over the Middle East and beyond there is a struggle being played out.

 

There are many within Islam who know this problem exists and want to do something about it? It would have been helpful if Blair had named a few. While he was Prime Minister, the British government began working with numerous “moderates” who turned out to be anything but. How does Blair establish that a Muslim knows this problem exists and wants to do something about it? Is a vague condemnation of terrorism enough, even if the Muslim in question is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood or other Islamic supremacists?

On the one side, there are Islamists who have this exclusivist and reactionary world view. They are a significant minority, loud and well organised. On the other are the modern-minded, those who hated the old oppression by corrupt dictators and who hate the new oppression by religious fanatics. They are potentially the majority, but unfortunately they are badly organised.

We see them demonstrating in Egypt and Turkey. However, we don’t see Obama or Cameron rushing to aid them. Mustn’t offend the Islamic supremacists Morsi and Erdogan.

The seeds of future fanaticism and terror, possibly even major conflict, are being sown. We have to help sow seeds of reconciliation and peace. But clearing the ground for peace is not always peaceful.The long and hard conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq have made us wary of any interventions abroad. But we should never forget why they were long and hard. We allowed failed states to come into being.

Saddam was responsible for two major wars, in which hundreds of thousands died, many by chemical weapons. He killed similar numbers of his own people.

The Taliban grew out of the Russian occupation of Afghanistan and made the country into a training ground for terror. Once these regimes were removed, both countries have struggled against the same forces promoting violence and terror in the name of religion everywhere.

Not every engagement need be military; or where military, involve troops. But disengaging from this struggle won’t bring us peace.

Neither will security alone. We resisted revolutionary communism by being resolute on security; but we defeated it by a better idea: Freedom. We can do the same with this.

The better idea is a modern view of religion and its place in society and politics. There has to be respect and equality between people of different faiths. Religion must have a voice in the political system but not govern it.

We have to start with how to educate children about faith, here and abroad. That is why I started a foundation whose specific purpose is to educate children of different faiths across the world to learn about each other and live with each other.

We are now in 20 countries and the programmes work. But it is a drop in the ocean compared with the flood of intolerance taught to so many. Now, more than ever, we have to be strong and we have to be strategic.

 

These programs will never work. They will forever be hindered by Blair’s partial understanding of the problem.

14 thoughts on “Along comes Tony BLiar: ‘there is a problem within Islam…””

  1. He blows his bags in another similar article, pushing his foundation as part of the solution (or something) … still deluded:

    Mail Online

    The ideology behind Lee Rigby’s murder is profound and dangerous. Why don’t we admit it?: Tony Blair launches a brave assault on Muslim extremism after Woolwich attack

    By Tony Blair

    [The better idea is a modern view of religion and its place in society and politics. There has to be respect and equality between people of different faiths. Religion must have a voice in the political system but not govern it.

    We have to start with how to educate children about faith, here and abroad. That is why I started a foundation whose specific purpose is to educate children of different faiths across the world to learn about each other and live with each other.

    We are now in 20 countries and the programmes work. But it is a drop in the ocean compared with the flood of intolerance taught to so many. Now, more than ever, we have to be strong and we have to be strategic.]

  2. Blair illegally invades a muslim nation and you guys wonder why they hate us. Gimme a break..

  3. Hard to argue with someone who is a professional hater.

    Jesus taught to love your enemy..
    you should give it a go sometime.. you’ll love the health benefits..

    1. Libtards:

      2 million dead in Darfur: blame Bush/BLiar. Thousands murdered by Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines: blame Bush/BLiar. 100.000 murdered by jihadists in Nigeria: blame Bush/BLiar.
      Jihad in Thailand: blame…BB
      Jihad in Syria: blame BB
      Jihad against Hindus: blame BB

      Expose it and libtards say “you hate…”

      Libtards substitute confetti for brains.

      Libtards

  4. Atheist … You wouldn’t know a real atheist if you stepped on one. I’m so sick of liberal, dhimmi, crybaby, fashion-only, faux “atheists” like you. They’re everywhere. Little bed-wetters like you are always reviling Christianity and Judaism, but defending Islam. That tells me that you are NOT an atheist, but probably a Muslim or just a dhimwitted liberal fool with a new label to parade around for a few months to get negative attention from your mommy and daddy. Richard Dawkins is an atheist. Sam Harris is an atheist. Daniel Dennett is an atheist. Sean Faircloth is an atheist. You are not an atheist, just a little girly boy looking for attention.

  5. Just like blair,two-faced lying scumbag,trying to see which side will pay him the most.

  6. why are the “west” in the M.E.? cuz that’s where they teach,( Paki), train (Afg). fight, ah, everywhere ; m.e., Africa, Israel, bosnia,far east–philipinos- why wait till they are here (wherever you are)? oh wait, bring out the clowns!

  7. The libtarded idolater is going with this false idol today:

    Islam calls itself a religion.
    Religions are peaceful.
    So islam is peaceful.

    i.e:

    Roses are red.
    Roses are flowers.
    So all flowers are red.

    Here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:

    “I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”

    -Muhammad-

    Moe’s last speech to his followers on Mt. Arafat:

    “I descended by allah with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted.”

    Muhammad was really only a con-man and bandit-king, an arch-criminal who always blamed “god” for his own penchant for committing crimes. If Muhammad got away with committing a crime (and he tried them all, enthusiastically, more than once, but instead of ever showing contrition, bragged about how much fun it was to commit them, and advised everyone else to join in the fun, too), then it was held to be “obvious” that “god” wanted him to get away with having committed those crimes!

    Where, at worst, all the other, ‘real’ religions only say:

    “Obey our silly rules, or GOD (/’the gods’) will get you!”

    …ONLY islam says:

    “Obey our silly rules, or WE will get you (‘for god’)!”

    A forced faith isn’t a ‘faith’ at all – it’s only EXTORTION! And extortion is always a crime!

    “Submission, the religion of Pacification” = “Extortion, the religion of Thieves!”

    As Muhammad himself put it, (Bukhari 4.52.220):
    “I have been made victorious through terror!”

    So, islam is not a “religion” (at all, much less one “of peace”) nor is it a “race” (at all, much less one of “Poor, Oppressed, People Of Colour”)!
    Obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:

    “God told us to commit these crimes!”

    (Capisce?)!

    According to their own Eastern histories, islam has an official 1,400 year history of “holy” lies, extortions, robberies, tortures, arsons, kindappings, slaveries, rapes and 270 million murders (that’s OVER A QUARTER-BILLION INNOCENTS SACRIFICED TO ALLAH, so far – it’s a larger death-tally than that of EVERYONE ELSE, both secular and religious, COMBINED, and with an historical average of less than 1% of the global population to have committed it with, too)!

    So, simply and precisely because of their “THOU SHALT KILL!” cultural indoctrination, moslems are still from between four and several hundred times more likely to engage in murder and all other crimes, than everyone else in the world!

    We should simply BAN ISLAM – because everything moslems pretend to consider “holy” is already a crime!

    SO: Dear LibTard – I hate islam and moslems precisely and specifically because I hate crime and the criminals that commit them.

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