Florida’s stand your ground law played no part in the Zimmerman prosecution.

Remember, it was Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama, the bastard son of one Stanley Ann Dunham, that spoke to America saying that “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.” As Americans, we would say, “If we had a race baiting president, he would look like Barack Obama.”

Now the Moonbat Messiah is telling Americans to submit to more gun control measures and more infringement of their ability to keep and bear the arms they need. Above all,  he wants Americans to honor a  dead thug by calling for more gun control. The world is a better place without Trayvon Martin. Knowing his history and what he was all about, we are better off. Trayvon Martin should not be honored but remembered as a person whose life should be shunned, not honored.

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Andrew Bolt:

Age can’t accept jury verdict:  a simple case of self defence by a smaller man

Age correspondent Nick O’Malley uses the attempted judicial lynching of George Zimmerman to attack America’s gun laws – pandering to The Age’s pet stereotype of gun-mad white Americans going nuts:: 

People appear to have forgotten that when race first became a factor in this case it was because for six weeks after the shooting Zimmerman was neither arrested nor charged.

In large part this was due to Florida’s so-called Stand Your Ground law, introduced in 2005, which made shooting people dead on that state’s streets far more likely to be legal than it used to be.

As is so often the case Florida was an early adopter of a law being championed by conservative activists, and in this case drafted by the National Rifle Association. Stand Your Ground laws, known by critics as Shoot First laws, extend the so-called castle-doctrine from the home to the street, making it legal to use lethal force against someone in public if you “reasonably” believe yourself to be at significant risk.

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Gun culture runs deep in the US. A group of about twenty demonstrators raise their toy guns at a passing helicopter near the Lincoln Memorial as they march in a ‘Toy Gun March’ demonstration, organized by a Libertarian website to highlight Second Amendment gun right Photo: Reuters

In doing so they reverse the onus of proof. Where once someone who had killed a person had to prove they acted in self-defence, under Stand Your Ground the prosecution must prove that the accused did not feel that they were at risk.

Also the laws expressly remove the requirement that once existed in the use of self-defence that a person retreat if given the opportunity. That is, under Stand Your Ground, killing someone in a fight need not be the last option.

And given that the only witnesses to these incidents are often the accused and the person they have just killed, Stand Your Ground is proving quite a handy defence.

How fascinating.

How utterly irrelevant to this case.

John Hinderaker:

Florida’s stand your ground law played no part in the Zimmerman prosecution. Under traditional principles of self-defense, if you are threatened or assaulted somewhere other than in your home, you have to flee, if you can, rather than using deadly force in self-defense. That is the principle that is amended by stand your ground laws. Under such statutes, if you are attacked in a public place and you reasonably fear that you may be killed or incur great bodily injury, you don’t have to run away. You can stand your ground and fight back, including the use of deadly force.

This principle, obviously, comes into play only if you can run away. If you can’t retreat–if, like George Zimmerman, you are lying on your back with an adversary sitting on top of you and beating on you–you have always been entitled to use deadly force in self-defense, if you reasonably fear death or great bodily injury. Zimmerman’s lawyers did not invoke Florida’s stand your ground law. They did not rely on it; they did not argue it to the jury; they did not ask for a “stand your ground” pretrial hearing, which, in cases where the statute applies, can lead to dismissal of the charges against the defendant. There is no reason why anyone should ever mention Florida’s stand your ground law in connection with the Zimmerman case.

And a detail obscured by media organisations preferring to show pictures of the dead man when much younger and smaller:

Trayvon Martin was four inches taller than Zimmerman, and considered himself an expert fighter… I am pretty sure that the vast majority of people who were surprised by the verdict had no idea that Martin was sitting on top of Zimmerman, punching him in the face and banging his head into the pavement, moments before, in desperation, Zimmerman shot him.

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More:

The story that George Zimmerman told about his fight with Trayvon Martin … never had anything to do with the right to stand your ground when attacked in a public place. Knocked down and pinned to the ground by Martin, Zimmerman would not have had an opportunity to escape as Martin hit him and knocked his head against the concrete. The duty to retreat therefore was irrelevant. The initial decision not to arrest Zimmerman, former Sanford, Florida, Police Chief Bill Lee said last week (as paraphrased by CNN), “had nothing to do with Florida’s controversial ‘Stand Your Ground’ law” because “from an investigative standpoint, it was purely a matter of self-defense.”

Florida’s stand your ground law played no part in the Zimmerman prosecution.

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Leftist hooligans, whipped up in part by astonishingly irresponsible statements from their political leaders, have taken to the streets of New York to protest the affirmation of George Zimmerman’s right to defend his life from a hoodlum of privileged pigmentation. The driving forces behind this entire spectacle are reminiscent of Nazis in their exploitation of mob mentality, their thuggishness, their obsession with sacrificing disfavored races to a favored race, their contempt for due process, and sometimes even their militaristic uniforms. Speaking the Truth finds a mirror image for a picture of a young community organizer egging on a malevolent mob on Times Square:

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The commentary is apt:

All it takes is one emotional issue and constant coverage by left-wing biased media, and the rule of law is null and void. This must be stopped. If we want our country to survive and not descend into a pit of dictatorship where our every word is watched and punishment is swift, then we have to stop this stupidity right now.

Like all oligarchical collectivists, both Nazis and liberals rely heavily on intimidation to corral the weak and the witless into the mob. Patriots need to stand firm at all times.

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3 thoughts on “Florida’s stand your ground law played no part in the Zimmerman prosecution.”

  1. Re: “In doing so they reverse the onus of proof. Where once someone who had killed a person had to prove they acted in self-defence, under Stand Your Ground the prosecution must prove that the accused did not feel that they were at risk.”

    WRONG!! ABSOLUTELY BACKWARDS! The law has always been that someone who has killed a person doesn’t have to prove squat; they have always been deemed innocent until proven guilty!

    And, Re: “Also the laws expressly remove the requirement that once existed in the use of self-defence that a person retreat if given the opportunity. That is, under Stand Your Ground, killing someone in a fight need not be the last option.”

    WRONG AGAIN, YOU VICTIM-BLAMING LIBERAL NAZI!

    There is no law – at least, not a legally valid one – which demands any citizen accede to being the victim of another’s aggressive extortion! There is no requirement to run away in the face of an assault on one’s self, nor on any innocent others. Otherwise, we’d get this in court:

    “Mr. Smith, the hoodlum gang had surrounded your family and were raping your wife while beating your daughters with clubs and chains. Why on earth didn’t you do the sane and legal thing, and simply run away?!”

  2. The Zimmerman trial is a low rent version of Bonfire of the Vanities Redux 2013.

    Political prosecution from the top down, deliberate racial misdirection to obliterate the gun laws and the people’s right to self-defense.

    “And, Re: “Also the laws expressly remove the requirement that once existed in the use of self-defense that a person retreat if given the opportunity. That is, under Stand Your Ground, killing someone in a fight need not be the last option.”

    We all know, that the left believe that in the event that one is being assaulted or attacked, that one should either curl up in a ball (As per Tony Blair’s advice) and take your beating or try for the other favored course of supposed Lefty choice of action by running away. But the problem with all of this, is the left have not taking into consideration the biology of primeval human behavior: fight or flight. A response, that is impossible to control.

    Once your adrenaline kicks in, that’s it. Logical thinking and contemplation are out the window. It is all action.

    One other aside about this case the State, tried to convict Zimmerman of committing an act of child abuse by the death of Martin, the problem with this grasping argument by the State is that in the past the State has tried and succeed in charging many other sixteen year old young men as adults. The State of Florida can’t have it both ways about whether an age is a child or an adult. Even though my background is not the law, I would think then, as the State has changed the definition of what age someone is still a child, that a good defense lawyer would be able to have his/her cases retried as a child, where before his client had been tried as an adult in the state of Florida.

  3. Sheik,

    Sorry, missing post again. Would you please find the most recent post, as I also did a little editing in the second post.

    Thanks.
    H

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