Is pope Francis naive or is he a dangerous clown?

Pope Francis:

“Authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.”

The Vatican. Some analysis of the prayer for peace that took place June 8 2014

Posted on June 15, 2014 by Eeyore (Vlad Tepes)
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From washing the feet of imprisoned Muslim females to bowing for  the Muslim  queen of the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan: something is not quite kosher with this South American redistributor of other peoples money:
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There has been a lot of confusion around the prayer for peace event held at the Vatican last week. Gates of Vienna as well as this site posted a caution  of an earlier article suggesting that the imam who gave the islamic prayer actually said something that is widely interpreted as praying for victory over the Christians and the Jews.

Here is the list of events as I understand them at this time: On June 11 2014, we posted this article written by Carpe Diem which linked to a video on the same topic at PI News. The article explains how the Imam delivered a certain line of a certain chapter and verse of koran that typically is not interpreted as being very peaceful. Specifically calling for victory over Christians and Jews.

A couple of days later, an email arrived from one of our Arabic translators who explained that in the video, the imam never said that line. That at worst was a wishy-washy other line that is often interpreted as hostile but wasn’t the line we wrote was in there. This prompted Gates of Vienna to write this article which cautioned readers that we may have been wrong on this. This site also linked to that GoV article as well in case we did get this one wrong.

Further analysis showed that the video our translator had seen, was not in fact the full prayer but was some 15 or 20 seconds shorter than the video that appeared on Al Arabiya TV and that version did indeed appear to have the offending line. (thank you M) the line which prompted our writer, Carpe Diem, to translate the video from the German translation at PI News and a line which it is now clear was not presented to the Vatican in advance, is from Koran, The Cow: 2:284, or 2:285 to  2-286

So what we know is, that the imam did indeed go ‘off script’ and speak a few lines, specifically Koran, 2:284, 2:285 and 2:286 which he did not submit to the Vatican in advance. The Vatican actually admits to this and attempts to mitigate the damage the imam tried to do by this piece of apologetics written by a Jesuit at a German language Vatican-Radio website. The sophistry is quite artistic in this. The Jesuit uses the clay-pot fallacy in a round about way here, saying that the imam didn’t really say that and if he did, its no different than when the last pope said something muslims didn’t like in 2006. So we should be ashamed that we even noticed it.

Andrew Bostom observed the following about two of the last 3 verses of the Koran’s second sura, or chapter cited by the Muslim imam (i.e., verses 2:284, 2:285, and 2:286), as interpreted by two very important, authoritative Koranic commentaries, one by Qurtubi (d. 1273), and the other by Shafi (d. 1976)

Qurtubi (d. 1273) was a Muslim scholar of the Maliki school of jurisprudence and an expert on hadith who was also well-known for his commentary on the Koran. Qurtubi’s glosses on 2:285 and 2:286, includes these remarks:

[From, Tafsir al-Qurtubi: Classical Commentary of the Holy Qur’an, Vol. 1, 2003, London, p. 762,  regarding 2:285,  “We hear and obey”]

He [Allah] praised them in this ayat and removed from them the hardship they experienced about thoughts which occur to them. This favor is the fruit of obedience and devotion to Allah. What happened to the tribe of Israel was the opposite of that. They were censured and made to endure the hardships of abasement, wretchedness and exile since they said “We hear and disobey” (see Koran 2:93 and 4:46). Such is the result of disobedience and recalcitrance to Allah.

[From, Tafsir al-Qurtubi: Classical Commentary of the Holy Qur’an, Vol. 1, 2003, London, p. 767,  regarding 2:286, “Lay not on us a burden like that which You did lay on those before us (Jews and Christians)”]

“They endured hard things”…refers to being turned into pigs and monkeys (i.e., the Jews, Koran 5:60)…it means wrong actions for which there is no repentance or expiation.

Mufti Muhammad Shafi (d. 1976) was the author of Maariful Qur’an, which is the best-known work of tafsir (Koranic commentary) in Urdu. He also wrote more than three hundred books. In addition to his literary works, Mufti Muhammad Shafi broadcasted tafsir of the Koran on Radio Pakistan for a number of years. Here are relevant extracts from the Maariful Qur’an glosses  on Koran 2:285 and 2:286:

[on verse 2:285; from p. 722 of Maariful Qur’an, Vol. 1, Karachi, 2009]:

…it was clearly stressed that the believers of this ummah (Muslim community0 will do nothing that was done by past communities when they planted seeds of discord among messengers of Allah by accepting some as prophets and by denying the status of others. The Jews accepted Moses was a prophet, the Christians accepted that Jesus was a prophet, but that the last of the prophets, Mujammad was a prophet was not accepted by them.

[on verse 2:286; from p. 724 of Maariful Qur’an, Vol. 1, Karachi, 2009;  After quoting from the verse, “Lay not on us a burden like that which You did lay on those before us (Jews and Christians); our Lord! Put not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear.]

…Indicated here are the sever restrictions placed on the Israelites [Jews]…Alternately it could mean that punishment should not visit us [Muslims] as it visited the Israelites following their evil deeds. In short, Allah Almighty bestowed His best when He promised the acceptance of all these prayers through his Messenger, the last among the, prophets.

I am not going to try and speculate as to exactly what this all meant. But I would be willing to bet odds that this was not remotely in the spirit of what the Pope had in mind when he organized this event.

Below, the entire prayer he intoned, as well as his own personal one:

 

3 thoughts on “Is pope Francis naive or is he a dangerous clown?”

  1. Terrific ….
    1. The Dhimmi’s are Allowing islam to Claim the Vatican by allowing moslems to pray in the Vaticam – irrespective.
    2. Verse [Qur’an 2:284] has been abrogated by Verse [Qur’an 2:286] [x]
    3. Verse [Qur’an 2:285] has been abrogated by Verse [Qur’an 2:286] [x]

    So what the Imam actually did in the Vatican was a prayer to “Allah”….
    [Qur’an 2:286] [y]
    Allah tasketh not a soul beyond its scope. For it (is only) that which it hath earned, and against it (only) that which it hath deserved. Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget, or miss the mark! Our Lord! Lay not on us such a burden as thou didst lay on those before us! Our Lord! Impose not on us that which we have not the strength to bear! Pardon us, absolve us and have mercy on us, Thou, our Protector, and give us victory over the disbelieving folk.

    This is the Treasonous and Seditious “Revert M.M. Pickthall Translations of the Qur’an – the Translation of which he was so proud of for its “purity of Translation”.

    [x] http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Abrogations_in_the_Qur%27an
    [y] http://sacred-texts.com/isl/pick/002.htm
    The Meaning of the Glorious Qur’ân, by M.M. Pickthall, at sacred-texts.com

    Appendix ….
    I Revert to using the correct term “moslem” following Realisation and the Revelation that islam’s submitters demand they be called “muslim” – [which is “naturally ” the very opposite description of them].
    • muslim in Arabic means “one who gives himself to God,” and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. [LIE – they mean to “Allah” the personal name of the God of Islam].
    • moslem in Arabic means “one who is evil and unjust” when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z – [the most “correct” name – and perfect description for a submitter to islam].

    REF: moslem/muslim – http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2588439/posts
    REF: “Allah” – http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/are-god-and-allah-the-same-consider-the-facts/

  2. The “Authorities” of the West continually Assist and Enable the scourge that is islam to Caliphate everything non-moslem.

    There is only this to do ….
    • Incarcerate all dhimmi Assisters and Enablers – whoever and wherever.
    • Remove all moslems (islam’s Submitters) from Western (non-moslem) Countries,
    • And then the moslems will have to be removed from Earth – they are relentless in their pursuit of obeying the command in the Qur’an to kill all non-moslems.

    [Qur’an 2:191-2]
    Kill moslems wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of moslems.

    [Qur’an 4:89]
    Have no moslem friends. Kill the moslem wherever you find them.

    [Qur’an 4:101]
    The moslem are an open enemy to you.

    [Qur’an 60:1]
    Don’t be friends with moslem. They are your (and God’s) enemy.

    A paraphrased version of the Qur’an with the word “moslem” substituted for Christians, Jews and disbelievers and the word “God” substituted for Allah.
    Reference – http://www.hotheads.com.au/ – BAN THE KORAN

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