Backlash! Oh noes! The worldwide ummah will declare everlasting jihad on Australia, and our leftards from the ABC will go on forever on how the Abbott government is making us less safe than the Red-Green looters who opened the floodgates for the Mohammedan invasion.
Allah’s soldiers in Australia had a rather rude awakening this morning, when police and ASIO agents executed the largest anti-terrorism swoop in Australian history.
Over 600 police plus an unknown number of ASIO staff knocked on the door of houses in Sydney and Brisbane before sun-up and took an unknown number of suspects into custody.
The operation is still ongoing, so check the news for further developments. Congrats and a big “Thank You” to our security services; would-be… Â See More
I have long considered Waleed Aly, the former spokesman of the Islamic Council of Victoria, to be our most prominentÂ apologistÂ for Muslim extremism. He does not openly support jihadism, of course, (he doesn’t? LOL!) Â does attack its critics andÂ rationaliseÂ orÂ wilfully overlook some of its excesses. He opposes Western attempts to fight back in the Middle East. (Don’t they all?)
Wally is no different from Irfan Dufus, Keysar Trad, cat-meat sheik Hilali or our Hamas-ISIL supporting Grand Mufti: all are subversive savages, all of them should be stripped of citizenship and repatriated along with their brood.
Yesterday, though, Aly went so far that even Labor’s Tanya Plibersek had to protest:
WALEED ALY, PRESENTER: Joining us now is Tanya Plibersek, Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs…
[L]et’s start with Iraq. I’ve spoken with you before aboutÂ this concept of mission creepÂ and I think last time we spoke it was a narrow mission that we were contemplating to prevent genocide. Now it seems to have evolved into something much more than that. Are these the limits or will this continue to evolve?
PLIBERSEK: Well I think Australia needs to be very clear that our objective is the humanitarian objective that includes helping the democratically elected Government of Iraq to fight off the threat that is IS… I don’t see a role for Australia beyond that immediate support for humanitarian intervention which prevents genocide.
ALY:Â But there is no genocide happening right now, we don’t need to prevent genocide by supporting the Iraqi military to re-establish control of Iraq do we?
PLIBERSEK: Well there are thousands of people who have lost their lives. There’s 1.8 million people who have been displaced in Iraq from their homes. I’m not really sure that you could down play the seriousness of what’s going on there.
ALY:Â But can we call it a genocide?Â As I understand it there was the threat of genocide but then there were Iraqi airstrikes and there was the arming of particularly Kurdish forces and then there was that famous altercation where ISIS lost control of the dam and so on and so the genocidal threat seems to have abated. If that was our aimÂ shouldn’t we have drawn a line under that?
PLIBERSEK: So now we’re only talking about mass atrocity crimes and we shouldn’t worry, is that the proposition you’re making?
ALY: No this is the question I suppose I’m asking about the strictness of the definition. If it’s about preventing genocide from happening that seems to have been achievedÂ is it now about something more than that?
PLIBERSEK: Well I’m not sure you can fairly say that we have prevented the mass atrocity crimes that IS is determined to commit in Iraq as they have committed them in Syria. You’ve got thousands of people who have lost their lives, the United Nations Human Rights Committee has sent investigative forces to northern Iraq so they can collect information about these mass atrocity crimes in an effort to hold people to account in the future. IS is determined to kill people who are of a different religion or ethnicity to them. If they’ve been limited in their success by the Iraqi forces, including the Peshmerga forces we spoke of last time, fighting back successfully in part because of the assistance of Australia and other countries that’s a good thing but I’m not sure that that would lead us to be complacent and to say we are completely free of the threat of genocide now.
ALY: …What seems to underlie all of this is that ISIS represents a serious threat to Australia. Can you give us an indication of precisely the scope of that threat and the mechanism, can you describe it precise terms? Because it’sÂ not immediately clearÂ when you consider this is a movement on the other side of the world that seems to be importing people rather than exporting them.
PLIBERSEK: Well obviously I can’t talk in detail about the content of security briefings that we receive but you only need to open the newspapers to know that there are Australians fighting with IS and the risk, aside from the people they’re fighting in Iraq and Syria, is that when they come home they would use some of the particularly nasty skills that they’ve developed overseas against Australians on home soil….
ALY:Â Is it really a choice though between military involvement and turning our backs?Â Is that really a fair binary?
PLIBERSEK: Well I’m not sure whether you’re suggesting that people should have a good hard talking to IS and maybe they won’t kill people…
ALY:Â It’s a difficult question for us to think about but I think we have to given how military intervention has gone for us in the past and that is by doing thisÂ we are almost certainly going to be killing civilians, is there a point at which the loss of civilian lives that we inflict directly means that the missionÂ is not worth it. So is there a number that you might be able to identify or ball park so that we can say ‘this is when it’s gone wrong’?
PLIBERSEK: … We’re not talking about sending platoons of soldiers off to fight on the ground in Iraq so it is a different scenario again to 2003.
ALY: ButÂ we are contributing to airstrikes which will kill people including civilians.
PLIBERSEK: And it is very important that we get the targeting as right as possible and that’s why our soldiers, very specialised soldiers, are involved as they are. But civilians –
ALY:Â Do you think our history is great though?
PLIBERSEK: Well I think that civilian deaths are never acceptable but right now we have thousands of civilians being killed by IS because of their race or their religion or because they’re the same religion and they don’t agree with IS tactics. We’ve got women and children being sold into slavery, we’ve got forced conversions, we’ve got particularly brutal ways of killing people including aid workers who of course only ever enter conflict zones to help the people who are affected by these terrible conflicts. So yes civilian deaths have to be in the calculations of any military action and are a terrible burden in the decision making during a military action, I mean a moral and ethical burden to think through as you’ve identified. But we are right now preventing the loss of life.