Deradicalising the believers

Hugh Fitzgerald
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The Hopelessness And Fatuity Of Western “Deradicalisation” Efforts
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Now the British government says 50 people a week — 2600 a year — are sent for “deradicalisation.” What can that program in “deradicalisation” possibly do? Can it undo the words of the Qur’an? Can it undo the Hadith and the Sira, that is the words and acts of Muhammad, considered as the Model of Conduct (uswa hasana) and the Perfect Man (al-insan al-kamil)? How exactly — people want to know, people need to know, what those who presume to instruct and protect them understand of the matter — will this “deradicalistion” work?

It’s nonsense and lies, it’s a waste, it’s an avoidance of recognizing what someday, under much more painful and dangerous conditions, will have to be recognized — what any Believer, already half-idiotized by Islam, will believe if he reads, and takes to heart, Qur’an and Hadith and Sira. He may not, for now, act on those beliefs. He may wish even to put them aside for a while, wanting instead to protect his position, and that of other Muslims, in the West. He may practice Taqiyya, and deny what he knows perfectly well to be true about Islam itself, and about his own beliefs. But it can’t go on forever. The expense of spirit, however, and the waste of action, dealing with those who are permanenly savage, rude, not to trust — that can go on for a long long time.

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Deradicalise this:

Baroness Sayeeda Warsi visits Indonesia

Once the language is buggered, nothing makes sense anymore. You can’t turn a Paki turd into a “Baroness” and expect her to represent British interests. It doesn’t work:  “Conservative peer” calls existence of Israel  “morally indefensible”.

 How much cultural enrichment contributes to this is hard to know, but it would be naive to assume there is no Mohammedan coefficient:

At least 2,000 corrupt police officers suspected of ‘tipping off criminals, stealing, fabricating evidence and using their power to get money and sex’, says Home Office report

  • Report estimates that up to one per cent of officers are ‘potentially corrupt’
  • Says examples of corruption include tipping off criminals and stealing
  • Adds that some officers have also used their power to get money and sex
  • Also points to raids where suspects were awaiting the arrival of the police
  • Home Affairs Select Committee are set to launch probe into police corruption next month

Read more: @MailOnline 

3 thoughts on “Deradicalising the believers”

  1. Here’s the real (and ONLY) cause of islamic “radicalisation” everywhere:

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzmyuCXS2sTdZDcxYTA1YzYtOWJmNS00YzNmLWI4YTMtNjRiNDRmMDExYzg3/edit?pli=1&hl=en

    (Official ‘Abrogation’ of all the semi-peaceful verses in the Qur’an)!

    ;-(

    Now, that being said, canislam itself ever be “reformed!”?

    Islam cannot be reformed:

    Muslims aren’t allowed to pick and choose what they ‘believe’ is in the Qur’an; what’s in the Qur’an is what’s in the Qur’an!

    It’s says it’s the unchanging Word of God, not some recipe for limited behaviours only applying to some 7th Century wars.

    On the surface, there are many similarities between Christianity and Islam. Both believe in a God, both rely on an intermediary between man and God, both faiths are eschatological and have a hell, a heaven and an afterlife, etc. However, in their core they are very different, in fact opposite to one another. Islam is not a continuation of Christianity, as Muhammad and Muhammadans claim, but it is an anti Christian belief in its essence. These faiths are different. One advocates freedom of man and the other his slavery. One brings the message of liberation the other, of submission.

    The discourse of freedom, so essential to Christianity is contrary what Islam stands for. When you see Muslims carry placards that read “democracy is hypocrisy,” and “freedom go to hell,” during their loud demonstrations, they are expressing the true essence of Islam, which is anti freedom, anti democracy, pro slavery and pro subjugation.

    True Muslims should not be free to choose, but they should emulate Muhammad. The Quran 33:36 says:

    “And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying.”

    It is not up to Muslims to decide what is good for them. This decision is already made for them and all they have to do is to obey, even when they don’t like it.

    Fighting is ordained for you, even though it be hateful to you; but it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you: and God knows, whereas you do not know. (Q. 2:216)

    And let’s not forget Sura 4:77: “Those who whined “Hold back your hands (from attacking)” were corrected:
    “War is compulsory for us – the good and bad both come from allah!”

    Islam can be distilled in its name: Submission. Allah knows best. Therefore man must accept His command, given to humanity by his last emissary Muhammad.

    Democracy means the government of people by the people. In Democracy men make the law. You cannot have that in Islam. In Islam the law comes from God. Man must obey even if those laws appear contrary to reason and are oppressive.

    This is the reason why Muslims cannot oppose stoning adulterers or killing the apostates.

    Can believers have an opinion contrary to what the Quran says? We already saw that the Quran 33:36, prohibits the believers to have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have made their wishes known. How can they decide what is good for the religion?

    When the Quran says Fighting is ordained for you, even if you don’t like it, the message is clear. This is God speaking. That is what you have accepted a priori. So how can you dispute with God? Once you accept the Quran as the word of God you cannot pick and choose and discard what you don’t like. This is strictly prohibited.

    Do you, then, believe in some parts of the divine writ and deny the truth of other parts? What, then, could be the reward of those among you who do such things but ignominy in the life of this world and, on the Day of Resurrection, they will be consigned to most grievous suffering? For God is not unmindful of what you do. (Q.2:85)

    6:114 “Am I, then, to look unto anyone but God for judgment [as to what is right and wrong], when it is He who has bestowed upon you from on high this divine writ, clearly spelling out the truth?”

    6:116 Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but guess.

    2:174 Verily, as for those who suppress aught of the revelation which God has bestowed from on high, and barter it away for a trifling gain – they but fill their bellies with fire. And God will not speak unto them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He cleanse them [of their sins]; and grievous suffering awaits them.

    See also 16:89 39:23,

    (Q.15:90-92) Such as We send down for those who make division, Those who break the Quran into parts. Therefore, by the Lord, We will, of a surety, call them to account,

    (6:34) there is none that can alter the words of Allah.

    (Q.10:64) There is no changing the Words of Allah that is the Supreme Triumph.

    18:27 And recite that which hath been revealed unto you of the scripture of your Lord. There is none who can change His words, and you will find no refuge beside Him.

    How can one claim to believe in the Quran and disregard all these warnings?

    The so called reformers of Islam are misguided at best and deceptive at worst. Their efforts should not be welcomed. Whatever their intention, whether genuine or malicious, they are hoodwinking people and as the result giving legitimacy to a very evil and dangerous creed.

    Only truth can set us free. By sugarcoating Islam you cannot change its nature. You can purify any water. You can even convert your urine into drinking water. But can you purify gasoline enough to make it drinkable? The essence of Islam is evil. You cannot reform it enough to make it a humane faith. Can you reform Nazism? This whole notion is misguided and absurd.

  2. Islam cannot be “molded” or “reformed” in any way, because it claims perfection!

    Muslims cannot add to it, nor “reform” any of it; islam cannot and will not ever change, in any way, because it’s the “perfect” word of allah, and the metaphoric so-called “gates of ijtihad” (interpretation) have been closed for centuries!

    Surah Al-Ma’idah 5.3 informs Muslims that Allah has PERFECTED Islam. Can perfection be improved? Can perfection be reformed?? If genocidal conquest is perfect, how can it be eliminated as a sacrament of Islam???

    Surah Al-An’am 6.115 informs us that “none can change his words”. Surah Al-Kahf 18.27 confirms the immutability of Allah’s words: the Qur’an. Surah Yunus 10.64 confirms the obvious. Surah Ar-Rum 30.30 tells us that Islam cannot be changed. Exactly what part of this is not clear to liberals? Islam is the perfected wart of Allah and cannot be reformed. It is immutable.

    Surah Al-Anfal 8.39 commands Muslims to wage war against pagans until resistance ceases and only Allah is worshiped. Surah At-Taubah 9.29 commands Muslims to wage war against people with scriptural religions until they are subjugated and submit to annual demands for extortion. Both commands are without chronological or geographic limits. They are permanent in duration and global in scope.

    Muslims are admonished in Surah At-Taubah -.38-39, that they will suffer a “painful torment” if they do not join the Jihad. Muslims are promised, in Surah At-Taubah 9.111 and Surah As-Saff 10-12 that he will admit them to his celestial bordello if they join the Jihad.

    Jihad is the Muslim’s get out of Hell free card! If he does not play that card, he meets Allah with a defect: hypocrisy. (Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 4 #2763)

    The minimum Jihad quota is once each year. If Jihad is not performed in a year when it was possible, all with knowledge of the imperative are sinners, liable to eternal damnation. (Reliance of the Traveller O9.1, Hedaya 2.140-141, The Book of Jihad pg. 18)

    Muslims are commanded, in Surah Al-Anfal 8.57, to treat vanquished foes harshly so as to strike terror into those behind them. They are commanded in 8.60 to maximize the power of their army so as to terrify thereby prospective victims.

    Muslims are promised, in Surah At-Taubah 9.120, that acts of terrorism will be rewarded with extra credit towards an upgrade in the celestial bordello.

    Muslims are warned, in Surah Al-Baqarah 2.85, that they cannot select the parts of the Qur’an they like and reject the rest.

    From:

    http://nocompulsion.com/can-islam-be-reformed/

    * At the heart of the problem is the Quran, Islam’s sacred book, considered as a literal perfect and immutable words of Allah.

    * Islam is a perfect religion:

    Quran.5:3 : Today have I perfected your religious law for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your religion.

    How can fallible limited humans possibly reform or improve the handiwork of the all-knowing, all-wise author of the universe?

    * Freedoms of all forms are anathema to Islam which is squarely-based on total submission to the dictates and will of Allah. Muslims must obey Allah and His Messenger:

    Quran.33:36: And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying.

    * Violence is part and parcel of Islam.

    Quran 2: 216: Fighting is ordained for you, even though it be hateful to you; but it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you: and God knows, whereas you do not know.

    * Reforming Islam requires discarding Shari’a, but also purging the Quran itself from enormous suras that are not only patently false, but totally repugnant to a civilized humanity. This line of thinking, to sanitize Islam is explicitly forbidden in the Quran.

    Quran 2:85: Do you, then, believe in some parts of the divine writ and deny the truth of other parts? What, then, could be the reward of those among you who do such things but ignominy in the life of this world and, on the Day of Resurrection; they will be consigned to most grievous suffering? For God is not unmindful of what you do.

    http://alisina.org/blog/2010/12/22/the-illusion-of-reforming-islam/

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50116.htm

    Why Can’t Islam be Reformed?

    By Ali Sina

    http://www.islam-watch.org/alisina/Illusion-of-Reforming-Islam.htm

    The Illusion of Reforming Islam

    by Ali Sina

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