Kamleh’s jihad may be “his own way of atoning for his behaviour”.

Dr Kamleh was by all accounts a good Muslim and reconnected with his faith. But our bleeding hearts don’t see it that way.

Lets not endanger our jihad quack:

Jihadi medic Tareq Kamleh ‘may die because of leaks’

Rachel Baxendale/The Australian

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The picture is from another doctor who went to Iraq to fight for the Islamic state. The story is here.

A senior Royal Adelaide Hospital medico who worked with Islamic State recruit Tareq Kamleh has accused colleagues who have spoken to the media of putting his life at risk, suggesting Kamleh’s “jihad” may be “his own way of atoning for his behaviour”.

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The Australian on Monday quoted former colleagues saying Kamleh had engaged in sexually predatory behaviour during his time as a medical student, intern and registrar in South Australia.

In a propaganda video posted online late last week, Perth-raised Kamleh, the child of a Palestinian ­father and German mother who converted to Islam, urged fellow Muslim medical professionals to join Islamic State.

Royal Adelaide Hospital clinical associate professor Ken Lim responded to the media coverage with several strident posts on Facebook, telling colleagues it was “sad” people felt it necessary to share their views with journ­alists.

“Of course his exploits were loose and unethical — if any of the stories he told us were true — but maybe this jihad is his own way of atoning for his behaviour, however misguided it is — he won’t ever have a chance to ­explain himself,” Professor Lim wrote. “There’s no doubt he would’ve hurt people along the way, but gossiping to the media is just vindictive, especially where personal opinion seeps in — a la The Australian article quoting someone who believed he was ‘completely confused about his identity’. It will only cause more grief to his family, and possibly get his head chopped off … then I wonder whether anyone who whispered to the media will think it was worth it?”

In a subsequent post, Professor Lim told people they needed to stop “#feeding­thebuzz” by talking to the media and posting on Facebook.

“I’m not condoning his current or former actions, but if you can make that moral judgment with his history, (that) he ‘should’ve expected this’, then by exposing him you are being just as reckless with the consequences as he was. He may die because of what has been leaked.”

18 thoughts on “Kamleh’s jihad may be “his own way of atoning for his behaviour”.”

  1. “… then by exposing him you are being just as reckless with the consequences as he was. He may die because of what has been leaked.”…”

    The media is like a rabid dog when it gets wind of a story. That is fairly obvious. Apparently he was intelligent enough to get a medical degree so if he does something as stupid as he did – how could he not have expected any publicity from it?

    So he should have thought of the possibility his life story being made public before embarking upon the course of action that he took.

    And remember – he did not just go and join Isis – he went and joined Isis and became a media hit for them.

    Whatever happens to him – it’s going to be an example for his co-religionists.

    1. We should be totally reckless in exposing him. In fact, we should do everything we can possibly do to get him to meet the virgins, LOL!

      1. Kamleh looks like a homosexual, despite the beard. So I dont think he qualifies for female virgins. Maybe young Christian boys beheaded lately.

        1. Such children of Jews and Christians are said to become the pretty servant-boys of Paradise, who are as beautiful as “scattered pearls” and who never change in their appearance (no puberty). They wait on the “martyred” muslims, supplying wine, food and anything else the “martyr” desires.

          It doesn’t sound very attractive, as an eternal life, but AFAIK, it is considered a mercy to them, as they were just the children of “mushriks”; they had not chosen “shirk” for themselves. So it is better than Hell.

          I forget where I read it. It may have been a hadith or maybe a sermon that was the muslim source for whatever I read on this topic.

  2. Even worse are the “Authorities ” who allowed this POS islam to be in Australia – and who assisted and enabled this POS islam to gain education to any level !!1

  3. The heading of the article before this gives a clue to Royal Adelaide Hospital Professor Ken Lim ‘s comments.

  4. He is poor, uneducated and did not have a job,that is why he joined IS.

    If the Australian Government gave him a job. some money and an education all this would not have happened.

    1. If the Australian Government gave him a job. some money and an education all this would not have happened.

      and an AK47 and sharp knives. Unless we do these things for “lone wolves”, they will always feel oppressed.

  5. Even before the background came out this bloke smelled bad. Name change from a typical Muslim name into an Arab one suggested a change of identity so he could forget his past and then heading to IS under an arab name and hence an authentic muslim. But he was authentic all along = a hypocrite. The background revelations just confirmed it. No need to be a prof to work that out.

  6. Please remove this post and all related meta data from this website. I am the doctor quoted – it was stolen from a private facebook thread and is taken out of context. It was published without my knowledge and I have worked hard to get The Australian to remove it from their website, which they have gladly obliged. I just want to off a google and away from the public eye.

  7. I note you have still not removed this article from your website. Please understand that information was gained in an unethical, and likely illegal process. It was then published in an unethical way. The Australian newspaper has removed the article from their website.

    Please do so. You do not own these comments, nor did the newspaper. It is a terrible article that serves no purpose.

    That they published quotes without my permission has upset me greatly and I have lost sleep over it. Today when the paper relinquished I was relieved that I could finally put this terrible episode behind me.

    This is the sole place the article still exists. If, out of the goodness of your heart, you take it down I can finally rest easy.

    I don’t know you, and you don’t know me, but please understand how stressed this has made me and how grateful I will be if you delete this post and all related tags so it will no longer be found on the internet.

    Please take it down.

  8. Once an article is in the public sphere, the public owns it, Mr Lim.

    Please tell me:

    Did you state on FB or in an interview with the reporter

    “Jihadi medic Tareq Kamleh ‘may die because of leaks’

    and

    “maybe this jihad is his own way of atoning for his behaviour, however misguided it is — he won’t ever have a chance to ­explain himself,”

    and

    “It will only cause more grief to his family, and possibly get his head chopped off …”

    If these are correct statements from you, why are you so adamant to have them removed?

  9. I never talked to a reporter. These words were written in ‘friends only’ facebook threads – a ‘friend’ screen shotted them and sent them to a reporter. I hope you understand how betrayed that makes me feel. Whilst it is printed now, and may be ‘public’, it remains unethical. It remains in violation of several of the ‘Statements of Principles’ of the Australian Press Council.

    The posts are taken out of the context of the whole thread and the tone of language used was meant for friends and not the Australian public. For instance, using ‘jihad’ is not meant to imply and militance, only to imply ‘religious duty’ – more fitting the the ‘non warfare’ discussion in the link you have on your page. Without reading previous threads, you cannot infer that. ‘Misguided’ because I do not support ISIS. She only took excerpts my posts, which in full better explain my point of view.

    My posts were trying to achieve only 2 things.

    One was to highlight the sensationalism the media are conducting. Using individual’s opinions and passing them off as newsworthy articles. I was making a strong stance on Facebook as the people giving their opinions are likely to be amongst my fb friends. ‘Confused’, ‘lazy’, ‘wanderer’ – none of these are fact or can be verified. It is ironic as by printing my posts she is doing exactly that (not 90% of her article is just my words rehashed). Furthermore, he is not here to explain himself, and only he can truly tell us his state of mind or motives, and verify several stories told about him.

    The second was to decrease the harm to his family. One article stated he ‘Has no respect for people’. He treats children for a living – total respect for people – and it is totally unfair for his family to hear such statements. Thus I used scare tactics and evocative language to make people think twice about giving their unfounded, vitriolic opinions to the media. I have no idea whether he will die because of this – it was merely to scare people a little and get people to think about the consequences of their actions.

    I am so adamant to take it down because it goes against the very core of what I was trying to highlight. And people will just read the article and not understand my intentions.

    As a doctor, confidentiality and consent are major standards of our profession. They are built in to our code of conduct. I guess that’s why I’m so shocked this has happened. In medicine, this scenario would be akin to me hearing from a another patient that they heard someone’s grandmother has cancer, and then me sneaking in some chemotherapy without her knowledge, but the chemotherapy is incorrect because I only listened to half the diagnosis!

    My patients wouldn’t trust me if my confidentiality was questionable. Although the article states these posts were on facebook, it implies my comments were publicly fair game, and I am ok with having my opinions out there – on such a controversial topic – and therefore questions my integrity as a doctor. From the FB thread of the article, the public can’t tell the difference between quoted directly, and lifted from facebook threads

    I’m tired. I haven’t slept properly for days. No doubt the media will find this post too. Like I said, I don’t know you, your views on any of this, but please, out of the goodness of your heart, understand where I am coming from.

  10. @Ken Lim,

    You should have gone with the stance of silent dignity and responded to no one.

    Your contradictory rebuttals and the need to explain yourself only digs you in deeper in defending someone who clearly and openly articulated his world views by joining up with wicked, murderous barbarians and caring very little for his family by leaving them behind.

    You whinge about “only he can truly tell us his state of mind ” and then you seek to explain away his mind by speaking for him with your statement, “maybe this jihad is his own way of atoning for his behaviour”

    -Yeah, sure, because all forms of atonement start by joining up with bands of merry murderers.

    You said, “He treats children for a living – total respect for people”. Ugh, “treating” people does not automatically equate to respect. Dr. Harold Shipman treated people too.

    You said, “Thus I used scare tactics and evocative language to make people think twice about giving their unfounded, vitriolic opinions to the media.”

    Translation: I used fear and manipulation to silence other people’s criticism of someone else’s articulated poor choices. because it makes ME uncomfortable.

    You said, “unfounded, vitriolic opinions” by his colleagues who spent what, eight to twelve hours with him. The same colleagues who probably had the misfortune of learning more about his personal character than they ever wanted to know after many many hours working with him.

    Ken. Stop just stop.

    The larger moral question you should really be asking yourself is why do YOU feel the need to defend TK?

    And no, I do not care enough to know the answer. Spare us and keep it to yourself.

    Think quiet contemplation.

    Out of the goodness of my heart, I will give you the unsolicited advice, of the quiet path. Shut up, stop trying to fix this with the need to explain. Stay off FB and Let yourself be yesterdays news.

  11. Another fine member of DOCTORS WITHOUT MORALS!

    Supporting someone who fixes up murderers to murder again!

    Ken Lim should be put in a cell with LucaRocco Magnotta.

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