Historically, diversity never lasted long

Historian Alain Besançon: Throughout History, Muslims Have Never Blended In With The Surrounding Population Of Non-Muslims

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In every land, at every period,  that Muslims have conquered, they have subjugated the non-Muslim population, and converted or expelled– quickly or gradually —  the non-Muslims. They are at this moment finishing the job, killing or expelling or making life so unpleasant and insecure that many will leave, in Iraq and Syria, and the Christians of Lebanon have been much diminished, and had Al-Sisi not rescued them, or at least been doing the best he can, the Copts would be fleeing Egypt by the millions instead of, as now, by merely the hundreds of thousands.

The observations, with a long historical perspective, of the historian Alain Besançon, has been re-published here.

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A Google translation from the French, thanks to Hugh Fitzgerald

Excerpts from an interview (2008) with Alain Besançon, Associate and PhD in history, member of the Institute, member of the Académie des Sciences Morales et Politiques.

The story is still clear: the Muslim populations are not based in the surrounding population. It is a fact, a simple fact. The 20th century saw a purgation mixed areas. For example, there were many Christians in Turkey, Egypt etc … They are all gone. There were Muslims in Greece, the Balkans … They are all gone. There were French in North Africa, they are all gone …

Historically, it never lasted long. It was always  more or less peaceful, very brutal as in Spain, or as in Turkey, by the expulsion of the foreign body.  (By “foreign body” I suppose he means the indigenous people, the infidels).

Text of the interview (partial seizure):


“Managing a Muslim population, this is not like running a Christian population as were the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Italians … which are integrated without any difficulties in France. There has been some friction but (…) it did not pose any problems. The Vietnamese also merge immediately into the population find work etc.

With these new Muslim populations, there are two problems:

• They are mostly low skilled, and therefore have great difficulty integrating into a modern economy, because we do not need them. Moreover, they do not come to work so much, but for health treatment etc …

• and the second thing is that they are Muslims. And while there, the story is still clear: the Muslim populations are not based (do not mix with)  in the surrounding population. It is a fact, a simple fact. I have no direct explanation, but the fact is that the 20th century saw a purgation (of) mixed areas. For example, there were many Christians in Turkey, Egypt etc … They are all gone. There were Muslims in Greece, the Balkans … They are all gone. There were French in North Africa, they are all gone …

So the diversity is an extraordinarily difficult thing to achieve. Historically, it never lasted long. And it has always done is more or less peaceful, is very brutal as in Spain, or as in Turkey after the 2nd World War, the expulsion of the foreign body.

There were moments of coexistence, but it’s always been part of an empire. But from the time when the empire is fragmented, and from the moment begins to develop the national idea, while heterogeneities appear and become brulantes. And so the Turks, for example, between 1915 and 1922 exterminated the Armenians and (had) the Greeks expelled. Algeria, from the moment she saw that she could not hold in the French Empire and at the same time develop their national aspirations, it ended by war and expulsion of the French.

France has raised millions of Poles, Belgians, Portugaus, Spaniards. It does not make any story. Out there precisely what is specific, it is Islam. And we must know what Islam is, and not think it’s something like the differences between Protestants and Catholics, or between Jews and Christians or Buddhists … It is quite specific. And that’s problematic.

So, Muslims have a perspective for France. There are maps that put France in the “umma” Muslim, who believe that France is a Muslim mission countries. Indeed Islam is still considered a religion of mission and there is a scheduled status for Christians, or what’s left: the dhimmi status. This is the status of Christians in Egypt or Syria, of second-class citizens, which are not slaughtered, but must pay special capitation [tax] and that are excluded from jobs. I think that there are Muslims who have this perspective for France. It is still far away, at least some have …

Europe’s Fatwa Factories

by Soeren Kern

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… Advocates of Muslim separatism say the Islamic worldview cannot be harmonized with Europe’s secular worldview, and therefore call on Muslims living in European countries to segregate themselves and adhere only to Islamic Sharia law. European Islamic leaders, many of whom are openly hostile to Western values and laws, are also establishing Muslim lobbies to pressure European governments into synchronizing secular Western laws with Muslim religious beliefs. These initiatives are usually couched as the peaceful advocacy of minority rights, but the end result is that European societies have to adapt to Islam rather than the other way around. …

… The European Council for Fatwa and Research (ECFR) is the most influential fatwa council in Europe. Based in Ireland, the ECFR is chaired by Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a demagogic Egyptian Islamic scholar, and an intellectual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood. Al-Qaradawi, who is also a spiritual advisor for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, has defended suicide attacks against Jews as “martyrdom in the name of Allah,” and has been banned from entering Great Britain and the United States. …

More on the fatwa factories undermining Europe at Gatestone Institute thanks to Mullah, pbuh