Turnbull warned on stifling Islam debate (Australia rejects Islam Muzzle)

“You can’t shut this debate down…”

David Crowe/ THE AUSTRALIAN

Malcolm Turnbull (grey hair, glasses) and Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie campaigning in the Canning by-election at Halls Head.

Malcolm Turnbull is being warned against trying to shut down the growing debate over the link between Islam and terrorism, as Coalition MPs insist on the need to air conflicting views in order to avoid a more explosive social rift.

The furious dispute is turning into a test of power within the ­Coalition partyroom as MPs push back at the Prime Minister’s ­efforts to shape the discussion, amid controversy over the intervention of spy chief Duncan Lewis.

Liberal MPs told The Australian the Prime Minister needed to assure his colleagues he wanted an open debate that lived up to his pledge last week that “nobody” could tell MPs what to say.

Assistant Minister Alan Tudge backed Mr Turnbull yesterday and urged a forthright debate on all sides because of the risk of repeating the mistakes of the 1990s, when Pauline Hanson gave voice to community frustrations over immigration. “We need to discuss this in a mature way, otherwise there is a risk of a Pauline Hanson figure arising and really dividing the community,” Mr Tudge told The Australian.

Fuelling fears that MPs might be discouraged from speaking out, Mr Turnbull confirmed on the weekend that he had given Mr Lewis the mobile phone number of Liberal MP Andrew Hastie, a former soldier who had backed the need for the reform of Islam to confront terrorism.

Mr Lewis, who is the director-general of ASIO and a former SAS commander, called Mr Hastie­ in a move that was seen by some as an attempt to “heavy” the backbench.

“This is not an issue of Tony Abbott versus Malcolm Turnbull; it’s an issue of bureaucrats dictating to MPs and whether we self-censor on Islam,” said one conservative Liberal, who dismissed claims that the dispute was being fuelled by the former prime minister.

Another MP said the Prime Minister needed to “kill this off” to prevent a rift within the Coalition, while a third said there was no way to prevent the opinions being aired even if they were uncomfortable. “This debate is going to happen and nothing the PM does is going to stop it,” the politician said.

“You can’t shut this debate down, and he should see that.”

West Australian Liberal MP Dennis Jensen expressed concern at the perception that the ASIO director had tried to influence the public remarks of an MP.

“I don’t think it is up to bureaucrats, senior or not, to tell MPs what they can or cannot say,” Mr Jensen said.

“If our democracy is so fragile that we need bureaucrats to tell us what to say then we are in big, big trouble.”

Former employment minister Eric Abetz, a friend of Mr Abbott and a leading conservative within the Coalition, also questioned the ASIO chief’s actions.

“I have no doubt at all that Duncan Lewis was acting in as well-intentioned a way as anybody in making the call or calls, but I thought it was unwise,” Senator Abetz told The Australian.

Mr Turnbull has encouraged Mr Lewis to speak to as many people­ as possible about the best way to fight terrorism. The ASIO director and Australian Federal Police Commissioner Andrew Colvin have emphasised the need to work with the Muslim community to defeat the threat.

Many MPs welcome the advice­ from ASIO and the AFP at a time of a growing divide after Resources Minister Josh Frydenberg warned of a “problem within Islam” and Mr Abbott called for a “reformation” of Islam. While some side with Mr Abbott, others believe the former leader’s comments have undermined the government’s work with leading Muslims to prevent terrorism.

Several MPs backed the ASIO chief yesterday for expressing his views in an interview in News Corp Australia’s Sunday newspapers eight days ago, when he warned of the “dangerous” impact of public remarks that fuelled a backlash against Muslims.

“I would welcome the phone call from Duncan Lewis — I wouldn’t be critical of it,” said one Liberal.

Another said Mr Lewis and Mr Colvin had “every right” to speak their minds. “I personally don’t think it’s that big a deal that he called MPs,” said a third.

While the interview with Mr Lewis was arranged weeks ago, the timing of his remarks led to the perception that he was being critical of Mr Abbott and Mr Frydenberg. Mr Turnbull acknowledged last Friday that he had spoken to the ASIO chief about talking to MPs but he said this did not mean silencing debate.

“Nobody tells MPs or senators what to say,” Mr Turnbull said.

“They can say what they like.”

The Prime Minister suggested on Friday that he had not asked Mr Lewis to phone Mr Hastie.

“Look, I haven’t given Duncan Lewis any — I haven’t asked him to do, to make, give any advice to anybody in particular, but I encourage Duncan Lewis to speak to as many people as he can,” Mr Turnbull said.

News Corp Australia’s Sunday newspapers revealed yesterday that Mr Turnbull had texted Mr Lewis to give him Mr Hastie’s phone number, soon after the Prime Minister met the new MP in Perth to talk about his views on Islam. One MP said the Prime Minister’s explanation now looked “disingenuous” while anothe­r said “the pieces don’t fit together” and there was a perception Mr Turnbull had encouraged the phone call.

Mr Lewis also phoned Dan Tehan, the Liberal MP who chairs the parliamentary joint committee on intelligence and security.

“I speak to Duncan Lewis on a regular basis,” Mr Tehan said. “The conversations that I have with him remain confidential.”

Mr Hastie would not comment. Most MPs would only comment on condition they were not named.

Additional reporting: Sarah Martin

3 thoughts on “Turnbull warned on stifling Islam debate (Australia rejects Islam Muzzle)”

  1. “I have no doubt at all that Duncan Lewis was acting in as well-intentioned a way as anybody…”

    Well intentioned three monkeys behaviour is what’s really happening with the ASIO chief.

    On the vexing problem of Islam, the chief’s mantra is: hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

  2. HERE’S A LITTLE RAMBLE I RAMBLED WHEN THE MUSLIM KILLER STRUCK IN OREGON…….

    OUR GREATEST ENEMY, IS THE ENEMY WITHIN……..NEVER FORGET THAT……EVER……..

    EVERY PATRIOT KNOWS, AND KNOWS WELL, THAT SOON COMES THE TIME FOR KILLING THOSE AMONG US WHO COMMIT OUTRAGEOUS ACTS OF TREASON AND SEDITION…………I CAN HARDLY WAIT.

    I PRESENT…………….

    CICERO’S NIGHTMARE.

    …………“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”………..

    ― Marcus Tullius Cicero, 107 – 43 BC, Roman philosopher, politician, lawyer, orator, political theorist, consul and constitutionalist

    Let us begin.

    This, the Oregon killer’s love of, and allegiance to, Islam and his cold blooded execution of his victims based on their faith, is what you will never see on Marxist Mainstream Media and its transparent, purposeful exclusion of fact speaks only of one thing; treason.

    Dear patriots, dear patriots across North America, across Europe, across the United Kingdom and wherever civilized and free men subsist, know that sooner or later we will have to embrace what we have turned our backs on for several decades.

    We will have to pay the account, the growing account, the delinquent account, the account we have incurred for decades. We will have to face that fact that our cowardice, our ignorance, our apathy, our indifference, our stupidity and our ingratitude has emboldened and strengthened our enemies. We must face the truth that now the task we face in ridding ourselves of our enemies, both domestic and immigrated, will require blood. And, I fear, rivers of that blood.

    You see, taking historical note, the difference between America in the 1950’s and our Western civilized countries today is remarkable and stark.

    In the 1950’s Senator Joe McCarthy faced a domestic enemy, communists, largely in the form of a few political and Hollywood elite. The task in routing and neutralizing these communist fifth columnists, relatively easy to identify, was not easy but certainly not impossible as reflected in the successful annihilation of America’s domestic traitors. Worthy of note is that, unlike the indifference of America today, Senator McCarthy was supported by the vast majority of American citizens, a citizenry better informed and better equipped to rout from their midst and severely punish those who would harm America. However, in comparison to the enemies we face today that same task seems as little more than idle child’s play.

    Today, across North America, Europe and the United Kingdom we face enemies on all sides, from within our midst to those that now rush our borders and shores, they number in the tens and hundreds of thousands.

    We face the treason and sedition, in fact the proudly bold and naked treason and sedition of our Marxist Mainstream Media agencies who purposely ignore, destroy or fog the truth, fact, reality and historical context of the nature of not only the Muslim today and its clearly and oft stated intent, but of its 1400 year campaign of death, destruction, division, distraction and domination.

    We face the treason and sedition of almost the entirety of the Western academia, communist social engineers the lot. Treacherous and conniving men and women who have enthusiastically taken their orders from the manifestos of hatred and treason written by those wretched vermin at the Frankfurt School. Orders to, “march through the institutions, and destroy our children’s minds and to fill the same with utter self-loathing and a hatred of not only their own people and culture but of the incredible and glorious accomplishments of the same, incredible and glorious accomplishments unparalleled, unequalled in the history of Mankind.

    We face the treason and activism of our judiciary as they defile their office and betray their oaths in embracing and canonizing terrorism and mass murder. Witness Madame Justice June M. Ross of the Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench who, in defiance of international agreement and enamoured of all things murderously Islamic (excuse the redundancy), set loose the unrepentant, convicted terrorist and murderer, the Muslim, Omar Khadr. A terrorist set loose amongst the unsuspecting and defenceless citizens of Canada to laugh and spit in the faces of the same, to plot the annihilation of the same and to openly and proudly walk amongst his Muslim kind and in so doing galvanizing the rock-star status bestowed upon him by the treasonous Canadian judiciary.

    Lest you be led astray with the impression that Madame Justice June Ross is an isolated case of judicial lunacy look to the conduct of the majority of Canadian judiciary throughout Canada’s federal and superior courts. Witness judges who fawn and favour the treasonous motions of Canada’s Legal Industry as found in the victories of Omar Khadr’s lawyers, the ultra Marxist Dennis Edney, himself an immigrant to Canada, and Nathan Whitling, Bridie Bethell and John Norris. No surprise of course that Western lawyers would fill the ranks of the vanguard to the Islamic Grand Jihad, for it was they and their brethren who have, for hundreds of years, designed many of the monstrous political movements that have filled “killing rooms” and countless mass graves to the brim with the rotting corpses of the dull-witted, the cowardly and the uninformed.

    As such, I ponder the immutable truth, that there are those, now growing exponentially in number, who favour one of the lines from Shakespeare’s Henry VI, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”, as not being a celebration of the nobility of the law profession and its defence of freedom and human rights, but rather as a course of action to remedy those who, quintessentially deluded, narcissistic and treasonous, seek to wrap the annihilation of civilization, freedom and human rights in the altruistic exercise of the rule of law. How wretched those who spirited avocations set loose madness and murder, how inevitable and infinitely just, their reward, their fate at the hands of those whose loved ones were butchered by the beneficiaries of those same spirited avocations.

    END PART ONE……

  3. PART TWO…….

    We face the naked and lustful treason of politicians as reflected in the actions of the vacuous spawn of Canada’s favourite communist, bigamist and now, thankfully dead, Pierre Trudeau. Witness Justin Trudeau as he speaks at Muslim functions hosted by those Islamic organizations whose connections to 7th century barbarism, savagery and terrorism are no deep dark secret but that which is clearly stated, polished and proudly held aloft for all to see.

    Look to the treasonous Marxist, rabid environmentalist and member of Canadian parliament, Elizabeth May, as, porcine, vulgar and guttural, she mounted a stage and spewed a vomitous drunken rant wherein she deified the convicted terrorist and murderer Omar Khadr and held him to be above all, each and every one, of the patriotic, learned conservative cabinet ministers and members of Parliament.

    Ms. May is nothing if not attentive to detail and didn’t let her run for re-election stop her from exercising her love of outrageous hypocrisy as she wept rivers of crocodile tears in a public speech where she spoke of her “love” of Canadian soldiers, all whilst the brain damaged Capt Trevor Greene, in his wheelchair, played stageprop to Ms. May’s nauseating little charade. Of course no one at CBC or CTV mentioned that Capt Trevor Greene almost suffered the same fate that Omar Khadr’s victim, US Sgt Christopher Speer did when Khadr murdered him in Afghanistan with a grenade. Predictably it was this same murder that Omar Khadr committed that has made him celebrated and de rigueur at any Liberal/Marxist social event. Welcome to Club Marxist where dues are paid in full upon proof of treason and acts of murder.

    We face the treason and sedition of our bureaucracy, at the municipal, provincial, state and federal levels. While our politicians come and go and citizens are given the illusion of having the power of influence and change in our legislatures and parliaments, it is the foundational bureaucracy that remains, decade after decade, unidentified, unaccountable, entrenched and untouchable, to continue their communist task of dismantling our culture, our society and our country, brick by brick, and smearing it with the excrement of Marx and Muhammad. And dismantle they do, every day and in every way, from the criminalization of Christmas to the celebration and promotion of sexual deviancy and the destruction of family.

    As an example, here in Canada we have been stunned with the terrifying and unabashed emergence of a totalitarian movement of the blackest and potentially murderous proportions as reflected in the actions of Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard and his band of Nazis as they hold high the ominous Bill 59 and in so doing threaten free speech throughout Canada. Still limping from the Canadian Conservative Party’s promise kept to destroy Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, the totalitarian weapon of “hurt feelings”, the Quebec Marxists seek to arm themselves once again with a weapon that will silence and ravage all those who criticise, in any manner, not only the Muslim and its Islam but all Couillard’s crimes. Not being satisfied with the acquiring the crushing power of Marxist totalitarian legislation and statute, Couillard’s henchmen are now publically asking the Quebec academia to encourage their students to inform on their parents should they hear any disparaging or anti-party comments made at the dinner table.

    How wretched to turn brother against brother, father against son, mother against daughter, neighbour against neighbour, citizen against citizen. Oh how proud Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot and all the other totalitarian, communist meat packing glitterati would be of those who walk the halls of power in the West today, how so very very proud.

    Sadly, as we face threat to life and country we look over our shoulders and seek the assistance of those whose oath of allegiance, service and protection are sworn to save us harmless from chaos, anarchy, treason and tyranny. But instead of salvation and defense, looking over our shoulders we face the treason and sedition of the leaders of our law enforcement, military and intelligence agencies who, in sanitizing all referential and training manuals, practices, procedures and policies of all references to Islam, Muslims and Jihad, have instructed the rank and file under their command that the true enemies of the West are not the “humble, meek, mild and peaceful” Muslim and its Islam but their own countrymen, countrymen who rightfully and righteously object to the destruction of their country, their culture and their proud traditions. How ironic that our protectors have become our persecutors.

    In seeking a solution to our troubles we must understand that we, collectively, are our own worst enemy. It is our ignorance, our cowardice, our sloth, our ingratitude, our arrogance, our indifference, our stupidity and our indecisive dithering that has emboldened and empowered our enemies both foreign and domestic. Let us understand and take responsibility for our actions and inaction and understand that we, regardless of how dear, must pay the price for the same. Let us understand that we owe this to our children, to our grandchildren and great grandchildren. Let us understand that our ancestors, those men and women of far greater depth and breadth of character than we, stood with grit teeth, clenched fists and unswervingly, without flinching or whimper, stared death and tyranny in the face. They boldly stepped forward, they poured sweat and spilled blood and in so doing gave us a sacred, priceless and inviolate gift of freedom, progress and civilized self determination. Let their deaths not be in vain.

    Lastly, we can expect the Muslim to deal in blood, death, treason and treachery for these are the very things that defines it and has for 1400 years. These are the things that it lives and dies for, that it has for 1400 years. One can no more punish a pig for rolling in mud nor a dog for howling at the moon than one can punish a Muslim for its love of perversion, murder, madness and lunacy, its in their nature, its woven into their DNA. Let us deal with them in the only fashion with which they are familiar, let us speak their language loudly and clearly. Let us bleed rivers. Let them bleed oceans.

    In closing, we are surrounded by treason and treachery. Our enemies are legion and are growing in number owing to our fears and frailty. Let us set aside our fears, let us not be frail, let us set aside our humanity and let us trade in the currency of the Muslim and the Marxists and in so doing render them a distant memory, in so doing render them a vulgar footnote in history, a bad joke, a warning to errant children “Behave or the Muslim will get you”

    This we can do. This we must do. This we will do.

    Food for thought, catalyst for action.

    Don Laird
    Alberta, Canada

    Footnote: A few years ago I wrote a letter to England. It may be worth reading once more.

    You can read it here, or not.

    http://vladtepesblog.com/2012/03/28/an-open-letter-to-england-by-don-laird-in-canada/

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