Hugh Fitzgerald: The Ethnic Turks of Germany, Or “We Didn’t Expect That”

Turks in Germany

The Turks were the first large group of Muslims to move into Western Europe, beginning in the early 1960s, when Turkish men were brought to Germany as Gastarbeiter (“Guest Workers”) at the time of Germany’s boom or “economic miracle.” Later, the Germans decided that because of social problems with those guest workers (single males behaving badly), they should be allowed to bring with them their wives and children, in the expectation that this would calm the Turkish males down. But now those Gastarbeiter who had originally been expected to work for some years and then return to Turkey, instead were allowed, accompanied by their families, to become permanent residents, or even, in many cases, citizens. There are now more than three million ethnic Turks in Germany, and another two million Muslims of non-Turkish origin.

The results of two recent studies of Turks in Germany (the first, by the University of Münster, is “Integration and Religion From the Viewpoint of the Turkish Germans in Germany”; the second is  “German-Turkish Life and Values,” and was jointly produced by the Berlin-based INFO polling institute and the Liljeberg research firm) are cause for alarm, and will certainly surprise many; they certainly came as a surprise to those conducting the two polls (“we didn’t expect that,” said Detlef Pollack, spokesman for the “Religion and Politics” group at Münster). What they discovered is that almost half (47 per cent) of the ethnic Turks polled said that following their “religious dogmas” – that is, the dictates of Islam – was “more important” to them than “obeying the laws of the land in which I live,” especially if they believed the German laws were in any way incompatible with Islam. Still more disturbing, one-third of the Muslims queried said that they yearned to “live in the society” of the times of the Prophet Muhammad – in other words, to erase the last 1400 years of cultural and intellectual progress in the West.

At the same time, the ethnic Turks were not discontented with the quality of their lives from the material point of view. 90 per cent of them responded that they were “pleased” with their life in Germany. However, there was one repeated complaint: over half reported that they were “second-class citizens” and had no chance to integrate fully, even though 70% of them “expressed a readiness to integrate ‘absolutely and unconditionally.’” More than half (54%) of the ethnic Turks also complained that “no matter what I do, I will never be recognized as a part of German society.” But who, after all, is preventing integration? Is it the Germans? Or is it, rather, those one out of three Turks who want to return to the time of Muhammad, or one out of two Turks who place Islamic law above the German one, or the nearly two out of three Turks – 62%, up from 40% in 2010 – who (in the second poll) say that even if they must associate with Germans at school or at work, they would much rather be around other Turks? And 95% of the Turks surveyed said it is absolutely necessary for them to preserve their Turkish identity; only slightly less, or 87% of those surveyed, said they believed that German society should make a great effort to be considerate of the customs and traditions of Turkish immigrants. Presumably almost all those Turks will be holding on for dear life to their Turkish identity, while at the same time somehow doing everything they can to integrate “absolutely and unconditionally” into German society.

The questioned Turks don’t appear to understand the significance of their own responses. What are the poor Germans to make of these contradictory answers?

But there’s still more to disturb. 20% of the Turks polled said that “the threat to Islam posed by the Western world” could justify Muslim violence to “defend” themselves against the West. In Islam, the definition of a “defensive” war is most peculiar: when non-Muslims refuse to yield to, or place obstacles in the way of, Muslim demands, or the Muslim call to Islam, this is considered an attack on Islam, and Muslims have a right to “defend” themselves. And 7% of the ethnic Turks in Germany, when queried, said that the use of violence to spread Islam was justified in every case. Of the Turks surveyed, 72% believe that Islam is the only true religion (in the 2010 survey, it was 69%).

Ethnic Turks and Germans in Germany view Islam quite differently. 57% of Turks link the protection of human rights to Islam; only 6% of German nationals do so. 56% of Turks associate Islam with tolerance, while only 5% of Germans do. It is clear that despite the massive efforts of the German state to make Turks (and other Muslims) understand the Western notions of “tolerance” and “human rights” that have so little to do with the Islamic conceptions of either, those efforts have failed. Or rather, the German state took on an impossible task, which was to change how Muslims in Germany interpreted Islam, so that it might be made compatible with Western ideas of human rights and tolerance. It hasn’t happened in Germany, and it hasn’t happened anywhere else.

Just as worrisome as the one out of three Turks who wanted to live in a society like that inhabited by the Prophet Muhammad was this: nearly half, or 46%, of the ethnic Turks in Germany expressed their devout wish that some day there would be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.

If present birth and immigration trends continue, their wish is likely to be granted. Muslims, Turk and non-Turk, could outnumber Germans in Germany within two generations, by 2050. That’s not far away. When Europeans hear about this grim future that conceivably awaits them, many become so upset that they simply shut their ears. Like Dickens’ Podsnap, they collectively exclaim: “I don’t want to know about it; I don’t choose to discuss it; I don’t admit it!”

But there’s no avoiding it. And if they were “to discuss it,” they might find ways – beginning with prudently shutting the door on Muslim immigration, and cutting extravagant benefits of all kinds to Muslim migrants already present – that would allow them to believe in a real future for their children, a future outside dar al-Islam.

60% of Germans in a recent poll declared that Islam “has no place in Germany,” up from 47% a few years ago. 60% of Germans cannot all be so easily cast into the outer darkness of putatively “far-right” Pegida. What happened to concentrate German minds? A million more Muslim migrants in just the past year happened, that’s what happened.

And it is not only Germans who are alarmed about the size of the Muslim population in Germany. In an interview on May 31 with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, a world-renowned figure declared that Germany has already accepted “too many” migrants and that they should eventually be returned to help rebuild their home countries. “Germany cannot become an Arab [i.e., Muslim] country,” he said. “Germany is Germany.”

Who said that? Not a member of Pegida. But, rather, someone who has been lionized by the Left for more than half a century, someone who always ranks first or second in any poll of the “most popular world leaders.” Having awakened to reality just in time, he is now inveighing against the Islamization of Germany. It’s not Geert Wilders, not Marine Le Pen, not Magdi Allam, not Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Hearteningly, it turns out to be the Dalai Lama. Which means one thing: All is not lost — at least not yet.

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  1. MUSLIM/ISLAMIFICATION SUPPORTERS IN TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, USA

    http://www.drrichswier.com/2016/06/19/muslim-refugees-sexually-assault-5-year-old-in-idaho/

    THESE ARE THE MARXIST/LEFTIST SUPPORTERS OF THE ISLAMIFICATION OF TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, USA

    ALL OF THE PERSONS LISTED BELOW ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO AND TAKE DIRECTION FROM, THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT OF THE CHOBANI FOOD SERVICE YOGURT PLANT IN TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, USA

    The Chobani Yogurt Plant in Twin Falls, Idaho is Muslim owned.

    The Chobani plant has applied considerable pressure on local government and police agencies to facilitate their multitude of Muslim friendly/Islamification requests immediately, and in some cases, completely circumventing city and county approval inspection/licencing/permitting processes. This preferential treatment supplies Chobani Food Services not only with cheap labour, but with the ignorance of a growing number of crimes committed by Muslims and the “refugees”.

    In many ways this corruption and criminality is a mirror image of the corruption displayed by the police officers, judges, bureaucrats and politicians of Rotherham, England who ignored the pleas for help of over 1400 young girls as they, over a span of 10 years, were raped, sodomized, tortured and enslaved by Pakistani Muslim men.

    Many of the politicians and bureaucrats in Twin Falls, Idaho are directly connected through business and financial dealings with the Chobani Food Service plant. It is corruption and criminality that is serving the furtherance of the Islamification of North America.

    Below is the contact information of some of the Twin Falls, Idaho, politicians, bureaucrats, and law enforcement/court officials who are in full support of the Islamification of Twin Falls. These are officials who routinely ignore the crimes of the “refugees’ and Muslims. Home addresses and additional personal information/relations/in-laws to be released shortly.

    Shawn Barigar (Islamification/Jihad Supporter/Promoter)
    (Husband of Camille Barigar)
    Mayor, Twin Falls, Idaho, USA
    Email: sbarigar (at) tfid.org
    PH – 1-208-735-7287
    President, Twin Falls Chamber of Commerce
    Email: shawn (at) twinfallschamber.com
    PH- 1-208-733-3974

    Camille Barigar (Islamification/Jihad Supporter/Promoter)
    (Wife, Twin Falls Mayor, Shawn Barigar)
    Occuption, Fine Arts Special Events Coord
    College of Southern Idaho, Idaho
    (This college hosts the “refugee” center)
    Office: Fine Arts 78
    Phone: 1-208-732-6288
    Email: cbarigar (at) csi.edu

    Suzanne Hawkins (Islamification/Jihad Supporter/Promoter)
    Vice-Mayor, Twin Falls, Idaho
    PH- 1-208-734-7742
    Email: shawkins (at) tfid.org
    Owner, Computer Connection (Computer Repairs)
    1180 Blue Lakes Boulevard North
    Twin Falls, ID 83301-3305
    PH- 1-208-734-7742
    Email: support (at) computerconnectiontf.com

    Nikki Boyd (Islamification/Jihad Supporter/Promoter)
    Councilwoman, Twin Falls, Idaho
    PH- 1-208-735-7287
    Email: nboyd (at) tfid.org
    Owner, Twin Falls Real Estate Co, Inc
    Twin Falls Id 83301
    PH- 1-208-308-1429
    Email: nikki (at) nikkiboyd.com
    Member, Association of Idaho Cities

    Greg Lanting (Islamification/Jihad Supporter/Promoter)
    Councilman, Twin Falls, Idaho
    PH- 1-208-735-7287
    Email: glanting (at) tfid.org
    Greg Lanting, a devout Marxist, was, for over 20 years, a social studies teacher and principal at the Filer Middle School in Twin Falls, Idaho.
    Greg Lanting is now the president of the Association of Idaho Cities.
    Association of Idaho Cities
    PH: 1-208-344-8594
    Email: glanting (at) idahocities.org

    THE “REFUGEE” CENTER
    COLLEGE OF SOUTHERN IDAHO

    (This is the center that is actively engaged in the flooding of the Twin Falls, Idaho area with what amounts to savage human-garbage from Africa and the Middle East.

    Director, Zeze Rawasama
    Email: zrwasama (at) spro.net
    Ph: 1-208-736-2166 (ex 119)

    CSI Refugee Center
    1526 Highland Ave. E.
    Twin Falls, Idaho 83301
    Phone: 1-208-736-2166
    Fax: 1-208-736-4711

    COLLEGE OF SOUTHERN IDAHO

    This is a community college located in Twin Falls, Idaho USA. This college and its faculty and staff are hardened Marxists. All of the usual suspects can be found here from the SJW’s, to the OWS, La Raza, New Black Panther and BLM movements. This college fully supports the dismantling of America’s immigrations system, the releasing of all terrorist/activists from US prisons and the eradication of all of the American borders. This college is particularly sympathetic to all Muslim political activity and views Islamic terrorism, domestically and internationally, as the justified reward of all non-Muslims. This college and its senior faculty are the driving force behind the flooding of Twin Falls Idaho with the very worst and criminal elements from the Middle East and Africa.

    The president of the College of Southern Idaho, Dr. Jeff Fox, is a devout supporter of global Jihad and is on record as welcoming mass immigration, without checks, to the USA from the Middle East and Africa.

    In short, the senior faculty and administration of the College of Sothern Idaho can be considered a clear and lethal threat to non-Muslims and the national security and sovereignty of the United States of America.

    All groups and individuals concerned about the United States of America and the preservation of its constitution, culture and freedoms should consider this college and its staff as extremely dangerous, seditious and treasonous.

    College of Southern Idaho
    315 Falls Avenue
    Twin Falls, ID, USA, 83301-3389
    PH: 1-208-732-6221

    Dr. Jeff Fox, President
    Email: jfox (at) csi.edu
    PH: 1-208-732-6220

    Dr. Todd Schwarz
    Executive Vice President/Chief Academic Officer
    Email: tschwarz (at) csi.edu
    PH: 1-208-732-6325

    Jeff Harmon
    Vice President of Administration
    Email: jharmon (at) csi.edu
    PH: 1-208-732-6210

    Curtis H. Eaton
    Special Assistant to the President
    Email: ceaton (at) csi.edu
    PH: 1-208-732-6242

    Dr. Michelle Schutt
    Associate Vice President of Student Services
    Email: mschutt (at) csi.edu
    PH: 1-208-732-6863

    Dr. Cindy Bond
    Instructional Dean
    Email: cbond (at) csi.edu
    PH: 1-208-732-6454

    ( others can be found at: w w w.csi.edu/aboutCSI/administration.asp )

    THE TWIN FALLS PROSECUTING ATTORNEY (D.A)

    This is the Marxist lawyer, elected as the Twin Falls, Idaho Prosecuting Attorney, who excuses and mitigates the crimes of the Muslim/Refugee filth (Sudanese) that savagely sexually assaulted a 5 year old child. Grant Loeb is a full supporter of Islamic cultural jihad and dismisses the rape of the 5 year old girl as “cultural diversity”. Grant Loeb has dragged his feet and refused to prosecute the 3 Muslims responsible for raping, assaulting and urinating on a 5 year old girl. Grant Loeb refers to those persons who object to Muslim acts of violence and murder as “extremists” and “ a disgruntled few”

    Grant P. Loebs, Prosecuting Attorney
    425 Shoshone St. North, 3rd Floor
    P. O. Box 126
    Twin Falls, ID 83303-0126
    Email: gloebs (at) co.twin-falls.id.us
    PH-Criminal 1-208-736-4020
    PH-Civil 1-208-736-4190
    FAX- 1- 208-736-4120

    TWIN FALLS POLICE CHIEF

    This police chief and his police officers, much like those in Dearbornistan, Michigan, are openly sympathetic to and in full support of the Obama Administration and of the flooding of the city of Twin Falls and greater Idaho area with jihadists and Islamic “refugees” from Africa and the Middle East. These police officers and their chief purposely dragged their feet and refused to properly investigate the Muslim rape of the 5 year old girl in Twin Falls, Idaho. Police Chief Craig Kingsbury and many of his senior police officers/detectives have direct links to the Muslim owned Chobani yoghurt manufacturing plant in Twin Falls and are indebted to its owners and management.

    Chief of Police, Craig Kingsbury
    Mailing Address: PO Box 3027
    Twin Falls, Idaho 83303
    Physical Address: 356 3rd Ave East
    Twin Falls, Idaho 83301
    PH: 1-208-735-7242
    PH: 1-208-735-7243
    Email: ckingsbury (at) tfid.org
    Email: abarnhart (at) tfid.org
    Email: bmittelstadt (at) tfid.org
    Email: cstotts (at) tfid.org
    Email: creynolds (at) tfid.org
    Email: dlewin (at) tfid.org

    Other addresses: w w w.tfid.org/Directory.aspx?did=16

    TWIN FALLS COUNTY SHERIFF (ISLAMIFICATION/JIHAD SUPPORTERS)

    These sheriffs, like the Twin Falls police department, are openly sympathetic to and in full support of the Obama Administration and of the flooding of the city of Twin Falls and greater Idaho area with jihadists and Islamic “refugees” from Africa and the Middle East. This sheriffs office purposely dragged their feet and refused to properly investigate the Muslim rape of the 5 year old girl in Twin Falls, Idaho. Sheriff Tom Carter has direct links to the Muslim owned Chobani yoghurt manufacturing plant in Twin Falls.

    Sheriff Tom Carter
    Deputy Sheriff
    PH- 1-208-736-4177
    Email: twinfallscoso (at) co.twin-falls.id.us
    Email: mcase (at) co.twin-falls.id.us
    Email: tcarter (at) co.twin-falls.id.us
    Email: dbrown (at) co.twin-falls.id.us

    TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, MAGIC VALLEY NEWS

    Alex Riggins has written several stories on the Muslim/Sudanese rape of the 5 year old girl in Twin Falls, Idaho

    Perhaps you can contact Mr. Riggins and point out the differences between unbiased journalism and propaganda.

    Alex Riggins,
    Crime Reporter
    1-208-735-3237
    Email: ariggins (at) magicvalley.com

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