About Winds Of Jihad
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Democracy was not cut out to cope with Islamic Jihad. Our political leaders, those who have sworn to protect us, are failing us.
They have had plenty of time to study up on Islam. They didn’t.
The political left is largely pandering to the perceived ‘underdog’ and the right is equally confused: All avoid the issues like the plague. They have neglected their duties. They have not fulfilled their duty to instruct, and to protect, those whom they claim to lead. So far they have largely failed. We, the people are, at the moment, on our own.
This website will shine a light on the global Jihad and raise awareness to the threat facing us.
9/11 should have been a wake-up call to the world: After 30 years of continued hijackings and atrocities, the Olympics massacre of Israeli athletes in Munich, embassy-bombings in Africa, terror in London, Bali 1 & 2, Beslan, Moscow, Madrid, the intifadah in France, train-bombings in India, rape-epidemics in Scandinavia, the Cronulla riots in Sydney and the continuous suicide-bombings in Israel are all part of one thing only: Global Jihad and Islamic conquest. These events have shaken us up, but what has been done about it? Who is doing anything about it?
‘Regional conflicts? Many ‘different’ movements with different grievances and issues? Of course not:
It doesn’t matter whether Islamic groups call themselves Al Quaeda or Al Schmaeda, Abu Sayyaf, Islamic Jihad or Hizbollah or Hamas, whether they operate in the south of Thailand or they chop off the heads of schoolchildren in Indonesia or in black Africa: All are part of one global movement called Jihad, all are ‘mujaheddin who wage Jihad for the sake of Allah, who kill and die in the name of Allah as prescribed in the Koran.
jihad is the pinnacle of Islam.
Many Islamic agents, ‘Taqiyya-masters’ , would have you believe that ‘Jihad is inner struggle’- nothing is further from the truth! The soldiers of Allah, the mujaheddin or terrorists, have the scriptures on their side. There is the sad history of 1400 years of Islamic raids on the west. Constant strife, perpetual warfare against all unbelievers where-ever Islam conquered. A continuous, relentless pattern of warfare and conquest to make the world Islamic.
Look around!
Currently there are 30+ Jihad-wars in the world, largely ignored by the mainstream media, which is doing us more of a disservice and even more damage then our political leaders by misrepresenting the awful facts. Political correctness, the fear of being called ‘racist’ or ‘Islamophobic’, paralyzes many of us and especially those who should protect our interests. PC is killing us.
But don’t take my word for it: Inform yourself! All the information you need is easily available on the net, a mouse click away: The best information comes straight from the Islamic clerics themselves! Most of them don’t beat around the bush. Use the links on this website for daily updates on current events and if you care as you should, do something about it! Your future and the future of our kids are at stake!
Update 28 December 2006
Does your government allow representatives of the Mohammedan faith to be voted into positions of power?
Just replace the word ‘American’ with Australian or any other (non-Mohammedan) nationality and you are right on the money:
Can A Muslim Become A Good American Citizen
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah…
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Koran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife(s) when she/they disobey him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare “one nation under God,” the Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran’s 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation…. perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both “good” Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish…. it’s still the truth.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
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I found it!
Here is a real gem from ‘ask the imam Ibrahim Desai’ - originally there was a piece where a young Muhammedan in Norway writes something like “these nice people who give us housing, medicare, free schooling and all kinds of support, do we really have to kill them when the call to jihad comes?”
And the Imam answers something like: ‘It is not for you to question the will of Allah, and Allaballawallah knows best…!’
But this one here is equally good, if not better:
Allah Ta’ala Knows Best
by Allah Ta’ala Knows Best Thursday, Dec. 21, 2006 at 8:14 AM
I have a question about offensive Jihad. Does it mean that we are to attack even those non-Muslims which don’t do anything against Islam just because we have to propagate Islam?
I have been reading Tafsir e Usmani for the last month or so. In it I have read that offensive Jihad (first attack) should be done by Muslims for 2 reasons. 1) For the sake of Allah (in the Way of God) 2) For the sake of subjugated people under oppression like in Kashmir, Palestine etc. Now the second reason I completely understand. But the explanation given of the first reason is “For the sake of Allah includes the propagation of Islam, the survival of Islam, the extermination of those hindrances which impede the progress and expansion of Islam.” (explanation of verse 190, Surah baqara) I really don’t understand this explanation. What does propagation of Islam mean here? Does it mean that we are to attack even those non-Muslims which don’t do anything against Islam just because we have to propagate Islam? For example, there are many countries in the world which are not enemies of Islam in any way (at least I think so). Please explain to me against which Non-Muslims, the Muslims have to do Jihad and against which, Jihad is not allowed. JazakAllah Khair.
Answer 12128 2004-07-13
You should understand that we as Muslims firmly believe that the person who doesn’t believe in Allah as he is required to, is a disbeliever who would be doomed to Hell eternally. Thus one of the primary responsibilities of the Muslim ruler is to spread Islam throughout the world, thus saving people from eternal damnation.
Thus what is meant by the passage in Tafsir Uthmani, is that if a country doesn’t allow the propagation of Islam to its inhabitants in a suitable manner or creates hindrances to this, then the Muslim ruler would be justifying in waging Jihad against this country, so that the message of Islam can reach its inhabitants, thus saving them from the Fire of Jahannum. If the Kuffaar allow us to spread Islam peacefully, then we would not wage Jihad against them.
and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=12128
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Muslim or Muhammedan?
You are a Muhammedan. You worship not just Allah, but Mohammed with him - that’s what the Shehada calls out. Not to overlook the following verses from your Mein Kampf, er Quran:
If you love Allah then follow Muhammad and Allah will forgive your sins…3:31
Muhammad is the only person to be obeyed or followed blindly…3:32
Obeying Allah and Muhammad (i.e., his examples) is mandatory…3:132
Whoever obeys Allah and Muhammad is guaranteed Paradise…4:13
Obeying Muhammad is obeying Allah…4:80
Muslims must follow only what has been revealed to Muhammad…5:48
Rejecting Muhammad is rejecting Allah’s revelations (Qur’an)…6:33
Provisions (rules and examples) set by Allah and Muhammad is binding to all Muslims: there are no alternatives…33:36
Allah has made Muhammad an excellent example for the believers to follow…33:21
Obeying Allah and the apostle (Muhammad) is the highest achievement…33:71
The believers must obey Allah and Muhammad lest Allah nullifies their works…47:33
Pledging allegiance to Muhammad is pledging allegiance to Allah…48:10
Allah has prepared a blazing fire for those who reject Allah and his apostle Muhammad…48:13
Islam means submission or surrender; the believers must submit to Allah and Muhammad…49:14
Those who reject Allah and His messenger (Muhammad) will be reduced to dust…58:5
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Last words of a terrorist
Osama Bin Laden’s Instructions to Mohammed Atta
One of the few - and certainly the most remarkable and troubling - glimpses into the minds and motives of the men who wrought the slaughter of 11 September is a four-page document, written in Arabic, found in the baggage of the suspected ringleader behind the carnage, Mohamed Atta.
Sunday September 30, 2001
The Observer
THE LAST NIGHT1) Making an oath to die and renew your intentions.
Shave excess hair from the body and wear cologne.
Shower
2) Make sure you know all aspects of the plan well, and expect the response, or a reaction, from the enemy.
3) Read al-Tawba and Anfal [traditional war chapters from the Qur'an] and reflect on their meanings and remember all of the things God has promised for the martyrs.
4) Remind your soul to listen and obey [all divine orders] and remember that you will face decisive situations that might prevent you from 100 per cent obedience, so tame your soul, purify it, convince it, make it understand, and incite it. God said: ‘Obey God and His Messenger, and do not fight amongst yourselves or else you will fail. And be patient, for God is with the patient.’5) Pray during the night and be persistent in asking God to give you victory, control and conquest, and that He may make your task easier and not expose us.6) Remember God frequently, and the best way to do it is to read the Holy Qur’an, according to all scholars, as far as I know. It is enough for us that it [the Qur'an] are the words of the Creator of the Earth and the plants, the One that you will meet [on the Day of Judgment].
7) Purify your soul from all unclean things. Completely forget something called ‘this world’ [or 'this life']. The time for play is over and the serious time is upon us. How much time have we wasted in our lives? Shouldn’t we take advantage of these last hours to offer good deeds and obedience?
8) You should feel complete tranquility, because the time between you and your marriage [in heaven] is very short. Afterwards begins the happy life, where God is satisfied with you, and eternal bliss ‘in the company of the prophets, the companions, the martyrs and the good people, who are all good company’. Ask God for his mercy and be optimistic, because [the Prophet], peace be upon him, used to prefer optimism in all his affairs.
9) Keep in mind that, if you fall into hardship, how will you act and how will you remain steadfast and remember that you will return to God and remember that anything that happens to you could never be avoided, and what did not happen to you could never have happened to you. This test from Almighty God is to raise your level [levels of heaven] and erase your sins. And be sure that it is a matter of moments, which will then pass, God willing, so blessed are those who win the great reward of God. Almighty God said: ‘Did you think you could go to heaven before God knows whom amongst you have fought for Him and are patient?’
10) Remember the words of Almighty God: ‘You were looking to the battle before you engaged in it, and now you see it with your own two eyes.’ Remember: ‘How many small groups beat big groups by the will of God.’ And His words: ‘If God gives you victory, no one can beat you. And if He betrays you, who can give you victory without Him? So the faithful put their trust in God.’
11) Remind yourself of the supplications and of your brethren and ponder their meanings. (The morning and evening supplications, and the supplications of [entering] a town, and the [unclear] supplications, and the supplications said before meeting the enemy.
12) Bless your body with some verses of the Qur’an [done by reading verses into one's hands and then rubbing the hands over whatever is to be blessed], the luggage, clothes, the knife, your personal effects, your ID, passport, and all your papers.
13) Check your weapon before you leave and long before you leave. (You must make your knife sharp and must not discomfort your animal during the slaughter).
14) Tighten your clothes [a reference to making sure his clothes will cover his private parts at all times], since this is the way of the pious generations after the Prophet. They would tighten their clothes before battle. Tighten your shoes well, wear socks so that your feet will be solidly in your shoes. All of these are worldly things [that humans can do to control their fate, although God decrees what will work and what won't] and the rest is left to God, the best One to depend on.
15) Pray the morning prayer in a group and ponder the great rewards of that prayer. Make supplications afterwards, and do not leave your apartment unless you have performed ablution before leaving, because the angels will ask for your forgiveness as long as you are in a state of ablution, and will pray for you. This saying of the Prophet was mentioned by An-Nawawi in his book, The Best of Supplications. Read the words of God: ‘Did you think that We created you for no reason…’ from the Al-Mu’minun Chapter.
THE SECOND STEP
When the taxi takes you to (M) [this initial could stand for matar, airport in Arabic] remember God constantly while in the car. (Remember the supplication for entering a car, for entering a town, the supplication of place and other supplications).
When you have reached (M) and have left the taxi, say a supplication of place ['Oh Lord, I ask you for the best of this place, and ask you to protect me from its evils'], and everywhere you go say that prayer and smile and be calm, for God is with the believers. And the angels protect you without you feeling anything. Say this supplication: ‘God is more dear than all of His creation.’ And say: ‘Oh Lord, protect me from them as You wish.’ And say: ‘Oh Lord, take your anger out on [the enemy] and we ask You to protect us from their evils.’ And say: ‘Oh Lord, block their vision from in front of them, so that they may not see.’ And say: ‘God is all we need, He is the best to rely upon.’ Remember God’s words: ‘Those to whom the people said, “The people have gathered to get you, so fear them,” but that only increased their faith and they said, God is all we need, He is the best to rely upon.’ After you say that, you will find [unclear] as God promised this to his servants who say this supplication:
1) They will come back [from battle] with God’s blessings
2) They were not harmed
3) And God was satisfied with them.
God says: ‘They came back with God’s blessings, were not harmed, and God was satisfied with them, and God is ever-blessing.’
All of their equipment and gates and technology will not prevent, nor harm, except by God’s will. The believers do not fear such things. The only ones that fear it are the allies of Satan, who are the brothers of the devil. They have become their allies, God save us, for fear is a great form of worship, and the only one worthy of it is God. He is the only one who deserves it. He said in the verses: ‘This is only the Devil scaring his allies’ who are fascinated with Western civilisation, and have drank the love [of the West] like they drink water [unclear] and have become afraid of their weak equipment, ’so fear them not, and fear Me, if you are believers.’
Fear is a great worship. The allies of God do not offer such worship except for the one God, who controls everything. [unclear] with total certainty that God will weaken the schemes of non-believers. God said: ‘God will weaken the schemes of the non-believers.’
You must remember your brothers with all respect. No one should notice that you are making the supplication, ‘There is no God but God,’ because if you say it 1,000 times no one will be able to tell whether you are quiet or remember God. And among its miracles is what the Prophet, peace be upon him, said: ‘Whoever says, “There is no God but God,” with all his heart, goes to heaven.’ The prophet, peace be upon him, said: ‘If you put all the worlds and universes on one side of the balance, and “No God but God” on the other, “No God but God” will weigh more heavily.’ You can repeat these words confidently, and this is just one of the strengths of these words. Whoever thinks deeply about these words will find that they have no dots [in the Arabic letter] and this is just one of its greatnesses, for words that have dots in them carry less weight than those that do not. And it is enough that these are the words of monotheism, which will make you steadfast in battle [unclear] as the prophet, peace be upon him, and his companions, and those who came after them, God willing, until the Day of Judgment.
Do not seem confused or show signs of nervous tension. Be happy, optimistic, calm because you are heading for a deed that God loves and will accept. It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise.
[poetry] Smile in the face of hardship young man/For you are heading toward eternal paradise
You must remember to make supplications wherever you go, and anytime you do anything, and God is with his faithful servants, He will protect them and make their tasks easier, and give them success and control, and victory, and everything…
THE THIRD PHASE
When you ride the (T) [probably for tayyara, aeroplane in Arabic], before your foot steps in it, and before you enter it, you make a prayer and supplications. Remember that this is a battle for the sake of God. As the prophet, peace be upon him, said, ‘An action for the sake of God is better than all of what is in this world.’ When you step inside the (T), and sit in your seat, begin with the known supplications that we have mentioned before. Be busy with the constant remembrance of God. God said: ‘Oh ye faithful, when you find the enemy be steadfast, and remember God constantly so that you may be successful.’ When the (T) moves, even slightly, toward (Q) [unknown reference], say the supplication of travel. Because you are traveling to Almighty God, so be attentive on this trip.
Then [unclear] it takes off. This is the moment that both groups come together. So remember God, as He said in His book: ‘Oh Lord, pour your patience upon us and make our feet steadfast and give us victory over the infidels.’ And His words: ‘And the only thing they said Lord, forgive our sins and excesses and make our feet steadfast and give us victory over the infidels.’ And His prophet said: ‘Oh Lord, You have revealed the book, You move the clouds, You gave us victory over the enemy, conquer them and give us victory over them.’ Give us victory and make the ground shake under their feet. Pray for yourself and all your brothers that they may be victorious and hit their targets and ask God to grant you martyrdom facing the enemy, not running away from it, and for Him to grant you patience and the feeling that anything that happens to you is for Him.
Then every one of you should prepare to carry out his role in a way that would satisfy God. You should clench your teeth, as the pious early generations did.
When the confrontation begins, strike like champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, ‘Allahu Akbar,’ because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers. God said: ‘Strike above the neck, and strike at all of their extremities.’ Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, ‘Come hither, friend of God.’ They have dressed in their most beautiful clothing.
If God decrees that any of you are to slaughter, dedicate the slaughter to your fathers and [unclear], because you have obligations toward them. Do not disagree, and obey. If you slaughter, do not cause the discomfort of those you are killing, because this is one of the practices of the prophet, peace be upon him. On one condition: that you do not become distracted by [unclear] and neglect what is greater, paying attention to the enemy. That would be treason, and would do more damage than good. If this happens, the deed at hand is more important than doing that, because the deed is an obligation, and [the other thing] is optional. And an obligation has priority over an option.
Do not seek revenge for yourself. Strike for God’s sake. One time Ali bin Abi Talib [a companion and close relative of the prophet Muhammad], fought with a non-believer. The non-believer spit on Ali, may God bless him. Ali [unclear] his sword, but did not strike him. When the battle was over, the companions of the prophet asked him why he had not smitten the non-believer. He said, ‘After he spat at me, I was afraid I would be striking at him in revenge for myself, so I lifted my sword.’ After he renewed his intentions, he went back and killed the man. This means that before you do anything, make sure your soul is prepared to do everything for God only.
Then implement the way of the prophet in taking prisoners. Take prisoners and kill them. As Almighty God said: ‘No prophet should have prisoners until he has soaked the land with blood. You want the bounties of this world [in exchange for prisoners] and God wants the other world [for you], and God is all-powerful, all-wise.’
If everything goes well, every one of you should pat the other on the shoulder in confidence that (M) and (T) number (K). Remind your brothers that this act is for Almighty God. Do not confuse your brothers or distract them. He should give them glad tidings and make them calm, and remind them [of God] and encourage them. How beautiful it is for one to read God’s words, such as: ‘And those who prefer the afterlife over this world should fight for the sake of God.’ And His words: ‘Do not suppose that those who are killed for the sake of God are dead; they are alive… ‘ And others. Or they should sing songs to boost their morale, as the pious first generations did in the throes of battle, to bring calm, tranquillity and joy to the hearts of his brothers.
Do not forget to take a bounty, even if it is a glass of water to quench your thirst or that of your brothers, if possible. When the hour of reality approaches, the zero hour, [unclear] and wholeheartedly welcome death for the sake of God. Always be remembering God. Either end your life while praying, seconds before the target, or make your last words: ‘There is no God but God, Muhammad is His messenger’.
Afterwards, we will all meet in the highest heaven, God willing.
If you see the enemy as strong, remember the groups [that had formed a coalition to fight the prophet Muhammad]. They were 10,000. Remember how God gave victory to his faithful servants. He said: ‘When the faithful saw the groups, they said, this is what God and the prophet promised, they said the truth. It only increased their faith.’
And may the peace of God be upon the prophet.
• The document was released by the F.B.I. and translated for The New York Times by Capital Communications Group, a Washington-based international consulting firm and by Imad Musa, a translator for the firm.
The Islamic Conquest of India: Bloodiest in Human History
In India the ruthlessness of muslim invaders continued for a thousand years.
Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
“The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.”
Koenraad Elst , the german historian writes in “Negation in India”
The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. And so on.
As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate)..
But the Indian Pagans were far too numerous and never fully surrendered. What some call the Muslim period in Indian history, was in reality a continuous war of occupiers against resisters, in which the Muslim rulers were finally defeated in the 18th century. Against these rebellious Pagans the Muslim rulers preferred to avoid total confrontation, and to accept the compromise which the (in India dominant) Hanifite school of Islamic law made possible. Alone among the four Islamic law schools, the school of Hanifa gave Muslim rulers the right not to offer the Pagans the sole choice between death and conversion, but to allow them toleration as zimmis (protected ones) living under 20 humiliating conditions, and to collect the jizya (toleration tax) from them. Normally the zimmi status was only open to Jews and Christians (and even that concession was condemned by jurists of the Hanbalite school like lbn Taymiya), which explains why these communities have survived in Muslim countries while most other religions have not. On these conditions some of the higher Hindu castes could be found willing to collaborate, so that a more or less stable polity could be set up. Even then, the collaboration of the Rajputs with the Moghul rulers, or of the Kayasthas with the Nawab dynasty, one became a smooth arrangement when enlightened rulers like Akbar (whom orthodox Muslims consider an apostate) cancelled these humiliating conditions and the jizya tax.
It is because of Hanifite law that many Muslim rulers in India considered themselves exempted from the duty to continue the genocide on the Hindus (self-exemption for which they were persistently reprimanded by their mullahs). Moreover, the Turkish and Afghan invaders also fought each other, so they often had to ally themselves with accursed unbelievers against fellow Muslims. After the conquests, Islamic occupation gradually lost its character of a total campaign to destroy the Pagans. Many Muslim rulers preferred to enjoy the revenue from stable and prosperous kingdoms, and were content to extract the jizya tax, and to limit their conversion effort to material incentives and support to the missionary campaigns of sufis and mullahs (in fact, for less zealous rulers, the jizya was an incentive to discourage conversions, as these would mean a loss of revenue).
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Our forefathers knew about Islam:
Winston Churchill On Islam
A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, “The River War”, in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener’s campaign in the Sudan
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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
Other quotes :
John Quincy Adams who wrote in 1829,
“The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force”.
John Wesley (1703-91) who wrote,
“Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it…have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind”.
Hilaire Belloc who wrote in 1938,
“Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans — still nominally Christian — and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam”.
Bishop Fulton J Sheen who wrote in 1950,
“Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power”.
Patriarch Cyrus of Alexandria, while negotiating the surrender of Alexandria to the Muslims, 640 AD,
“I am afraid that God has sent these men to lay waste the world”.
Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica, 1354,
“For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life.”.
William Eaton, US Consul to Tunis, wrote in 1799,
“Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives…The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind…”
“In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams’s capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men.” -John Quincy Adams
“The Muslim religion is so unreformed since it was created that nowhere in the Muslim world has there been any real advance in science, or art or literature, or technology in the last 500 years” - Lord Tebbit
“The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this: “Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah” (i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has.” – Vernon Richards
“Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.” – Andre Servier, 1922
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“The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.”
“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any “social values” whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such “social values” today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do - that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.” – Theodore Roosevelt
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“Of course, there are distinguished precedents even for the bleakest and coarsest of these judgements. To Montesquieu in 1748, Islam’s ‘destructive spirit’ spoke ‘only by the sword’; to Schopenhauer in 1819, the Koran was a ‘wretched book’ in which he had ‘not been able to discover one single idea of value’; to De Tocqueville in 1843, Islam was ‘deadly’, ‘to be feared’ and a ‘form of decadence’”. – David Selbourne – The Losing Battle with Islam
And how about this quote from Ayatollah Khomeini from 1942:
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” - Ayatollah Khomeini
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Dr. Ikrime Sabri, Mufti of Jerusalem, highest-ranking Islamic figure in the Palestinian Authority, just 18 days before the September 11 attacks against America in 2001:
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You cant imagine how much money they spend trying to silence good people who will put their lives on the line to fight for change.
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What would you do if you
Knew all of the things we knew
Would you stand up for truth
Or would you turn away too
And then what if you saw
All of the things thats wrong
Would you stand tall and strong
Or would you turn and walk away
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I could not help to laugh over your articles…… and twisted the brutal facts of Islam. How can you stop the truth spreading naturally? Do you plan to execute all Muslims over the world? How could you do that? Freedom of your version is self-terminated freedom, and time has slowly shown you the kind of freedom that you are proud of…. you are suffering slowly yet you are not aware of.
What you believe and what you do are the reflection of the real you are! Islam does not need to be defended because nothing to do so. The bad Muslims do need that…. through their corrected behaviour and becoming true Muslims.
Mustafa, I certainly hope that you will correct the bad Muslims who engage in terrorism and want to kill infidels and Jews.
Please enlighten us on how we “twisted the brutal facts of Islam”. We are always willing to correct our mistakes.
Mustafa the muzz,
We are not suffering. Do we plan to execute all muslims?? No - the idiots who cant co-exist with the rest of the world are a real problem - and we will probably have to terminate them. We hope the moderate muslims are in fact capable of living with other people - however if they are as you appear to be this is highly unlikely. Please don’t discuss “freedom of expression” when you clearly do NOT understand what it means. Freedom of expression cannot exist within your philosophy because you are only capable of blindly accepting words than another interprets for you!!! This says an awful lot about you - and it is not positive!!! Your unquestioning obedience to the words of a murderer, and your (muslim) treatment of women, are part of reasons why muslims have made few contributions of worth to our world. Islam does not need defending??? Apparently it does, because every time an adverse comment is made about Islam we have hundreds of idiot muslims ranting in the streets and killing in the name of their philosopy. And yet we see muslim scum like you abusing people of other faiths, calling jewish people monkeys, calling buddhists apes - do they (people of non-muslim faiths) care!!! NO!! When muslims destroyed the statues at Bamiyan, a world heritage site, did the Buddhists riot - NO!!! The Buddhists said - “Let the muslims destroy the statues if they cannot appreciate their own history - THEY CANNOT CHANGE OUR FAITH”". When some cartoons showing your pig prophet are published, muslims riot like the stupid violent thugs that they are. AND ISLAM DOESNT NEED HELP???!!!! WHAT PLANET DO YOU COME FROM - planet Irf apparently. Every day we see muslims killing and murdering, because they cannot do anything else but obey the words of their paedophile prophet. Yes Mustafa, we are reflection of our inner selves and that paints most muslims in an extremely poor light. We are not scared - on the contrary it is mindless fools like yourself who are lost, which is why you cling to the psychopathic words of a child molester so dearly. Mustafa, we do not twist the facts of Islam - we let it speak for itself through its actions and the actions of its mindless followers, and you yourself use the adjective “brutal”. Do you know what that means - no - I didnt think so!! If you wish to write a convincing article in a language then learn the language properly. Islam is the enemy of all free peoples, and we will destroy it. You exist within the shackles of a prison, created by your backward society, and you cannot even see out of your cell to look at the real world. This is then your world, the narrow, bigoted, violent and unthinking world of islam - and it is within this prison that your email is framed. I am not suffering, the majority of the world is not suffering, only muslims are suffering their own self created torments and we reject you and your kind, utterly, totally and without reservation. If you find the murder of women funny, if you find the expulsion of non-muslims from their homes by muslim scum funny, if you find the murder of people for the reason that they dont belong to the mentally deficient muslim horde funny, then you will laugh over the articles that are present in this blog. Your comment shows the world what you are - a violent muslim thug.
MM, there are only bad muslims.
Jordan: Israel Faces War If It Does not Agree to Arab Terms
The Hashemite monarch also declared on America’s Meet the Press television program Sunday that threats from Iran and Al Qaeda will fade away once Jerusalem is divided
* Jordan: Israel Faces War If It Does not Agree to Arab Terms
(paraphrasing) Jerusalem will be trodden down by the gentiles, until
the time of the gentiles be fulfilled.
(paraphrasing) Jerusalem will be a cup of trembling to the nations
around and about it.
Don’t drink from that cup, Hashemite monarch - you will regret it.
Critisizing racist muslims…with your racist comments, makes you just as bad as them.
I agree with the Muslim before me. To contrast Islam with Christianity’s God of Love and then pour out the sort of hatred I read in Kaw’s post or think that believing in a God of Love doesn’t obligate you to love is an ugly thing.
I have read a lot of the Koran and understand the (sometimes very large) differences between our two views of God; but because of the God I believe in and because of the beautiful things I have seen in many muslim people I will always welcome a muslim in need, will enjoy the company of a muslim any time I have the opportunity and pray that I will find many more muslim friends during my lifetime.
There is not a single reference to “love” in the Koran.
Also, FYI, Islam doesn’t recognize the concept of reciprocity:
Islam and the Golden Rule
That pretty much says it all. What is the absence of love? It it at best indifference at at worst, hate.
Qur’an (5:51) - “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”
Qur’an (3:28) - “Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah…”
Qur’an (3:118) - “O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.” This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.
There’s more, much more…
Want more? Here’s more:
1. Muslims must instill terror into non-Muslims (Koran 8:12) as Mohammed said, “I’ve been made victorious through terror” (Bukhari 4:52:220).
2. Non-Muslims (Infidels) are sworn enemies (inveterate foes) of Muslims and Islam. (Koran 4:101)
3. Muslims’ have the holy right, authority, and requirement to kill non-Muslims. (Koran 9:5 - known as the “Verse of the Sword”).
4. Infidels (non-Muslims) are forbidden from killing Muslims (Koran 4:92).
5. Muslims are forbidden from having non-Muslims as friends. (Koran 5:51).
6. Muslims offer non-Muslims 3 choices regarding religion (Koran 9:29): 1. convert 2. die 3. be persecuted as 2nd class citizens (Dhimmis) and pay extortion tax (Jizya).
7. Muslims can lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam and this is called Taqiyya (Koran 3:28, 16:106).
8. Muslims can omit the truth to non-Muslims to advance Islam and this is called Kitman.
9. Muslims believe they are the best (Koran 3:110) and non-Muslims are the vilest of creatures and deserve NO mercy (Koran 98:6).
10. 9/11 was justified by the “Kill AND be killed for Allah verse” (Koran 9:111).
11. Mohammed (51) married his favorite wife Aisha at 6. The marriage was consummated when he was 54 and she was 9.
12. Muslim men can marry anyone, up to 4 wives. Muslim women must ONLY marry Muslim men (4:3) thereby ensuring Islam does not weaken.
13. Only Mohammed had permission from Allah to marry as many wives as he wanted to (Koran 33:50).
14. Allah ordered Mohammed to marry his beautiful daughter-in-law called Zaynab bint Jahsh (Koran 33:37), yet cursed his aunt and uncle to hell (Koran entire Chapter 111).
15. Marriage AND divorce to pre-pubescent girls (not yet having 1st menstruation) is OK. (Koran 65:4)
16. Sex Slaves (concubines) were, and are today, legal in Islam (Koran 4:23-24).
17. Domestic Violence is OK, not husband beating, but only wife beating and sex slave beating, (Koran 4:34).
Chapter 4 is called Women and goes into great detail about how women and girls should be treated and mistreated.
18. To prove rape in Islamic law or Sharia law, Muslim females need four male Muslim witnesses in good standing (Koran 24:13).
Note: non-Muslims under Sharia (Islamic) law can’t even accuse Muslims of any crimes.
19. Islamic heaven is an unlimited whorehouse of regenerating virgins (Koran 37:40-48, 44:51-55, 52:17-20, 55:56-58, 70-77, 56:7-40, and 78:31).
20. Islamic heaven also allows sodomy of young boys (Koran 52:24, 56:17, and 76:19).
21. Beheading is OK (Koran 47:4, 8:12) Mohammed personally help behead between 600 - 900 Qurayza Jews in Medina in 627 A.D. in one day.
22. Robbery and Theft of non-Muslim property is OK (The entire Chapter 8 of the Koran is known as Booty or Spoils).
23. Muslims that leave Islam (apostacy) MUST be killed. (Bukhari 4:52:260) Quoting Mohammed: “…if a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.”
24. Mohammed is considered the ideal man to be imitated by Muslims, yet sinful. (Qur’an 47:21 and Qur’an 110)
25. The Koran has 114 Chapters called Surahs and is not presented in chronological order, but chapter length order, from longest (Chapter 1) to shortest (Chapter 114).
26. Many verses in the Koran conflict, so the concept of abrogation (Koran 2:106) applies. This means, later occurring verses make cancel out the earlier verses.
AGAIN: earlier verses may be in a later chapter as the chapters are not presented in chronological order, but in order of size, larger to smaller.
27. The last chapter written in the Koran, Chapter 9, is extremely violent. It is also the only chapter of 114 that does not start off with the blessing “In the name of G*d, the Compassionate, the Merciful.”
28. Muslims are forbidden from doubting that the Koran is the actual word of Allah, “This book is not to be doubted.” (Koran 2:1)
29. There are more than 100 verses in the Koran urging Muslims to make war against non-Muslims.
30. Even man’s best friend (dogs) aren’t safe in Islam, as Mohammed had many killed because the “angel Gabriel” didn’t enter houses with dogs and/or pictures. (Bukhari 4:448)
In light of the above, we should be perfectly at ease quoting Oriana Fallaci, who was persecuted by the Islamo-fascists:
“If we have a right to love, then we also have a right to hate those who want to take everything we love away from us…”.”
A Christian,
You are clearly NOT very intelligent. I will tell you once more, and this is the last time, that people who post here are against the behavior of a significant minority of muslims. If muslims had proved capable of coexisting with other belief systems in a peaceful manner this site would NOT exist. There has been sufficient nasty comment from the nasty portion of the muslim “community” and yet you choose to remain silent. You are either a muslim or a dhimmified idiot. You have read the Quran - I doubt that you have understood it -I also doubt that you are a Christian! And as for hatred in posts - if you want to find real hatred, read the Quran again or some of the numerous posts from muslims that you will find on numerous islamic sites, some of which find their way to this site. Oh, and stop confusing objective comment with hatred. In continually demonstrating you inability to do so you are merely demonstrating your own ignorance. Your choice! When you have demonstrated that you are capable of changing the mindset of the poisonous muslim minority through your messages of love and peace you can come and tell us all the secret. I will not hold my breath.
I’m not sure if your post was written in response to mine Shiekyermami. As I said, I’ve read the Koran so I’m familiar with the things you say and don’t have an argument with them (although some interepretations are a little simplistic); my point is not about Islam but about the connection made between Christianity and the kind of thinking that kaw and others are presenting.
Christianity is not western culture, it is the teachings of Jesus - this may be where you’re getting your confusion about me from kaw. Love is not a description of God, it is who he is. This is why Jesus’ central sermon taught us to love our enemies. Dietrich Bonhoeffer (the lutheran Pastor hung by the Nazis) put it well: “where is love more glorified than when she dwells in the midst of her enemies”. God’s concern is not for comfort or national interest; if it was the Jews would not have asked for Jesus to be crucified because he would have delivered them from Roman occupation as they wanted.
By all means put forward your ideas, but leave the connection with Christianity out of it. Jesus said “if anyone would come after me he must deny himself, take up his cross and follow me.” A cross for us is what it was for him - everything that’s wrong with the world. We have to make it our business; weep with those who weep, bear one another’s burdens. And Jesus specifically asks us to bear the burdens of our enemies. The ultimate reason kaw is not even to change them but just because God cares about their needs and Christians are here to be the light of the world. Christianity taught much of the world about love, compassion and justice and these are the things you seem to value. If you do value them, you need to practice them not just criticise those that don’t.
Islam is the religion of the developing world. Never in the history of the earth has there been such a massive divide between the rich and the poor, and the divide continues to deepen. Primarily through trade our wealthy nations continue to feed off the resources of the poor and they cry out for justice. This is where Islam enters the picture and promises it to them. The world’s poor are born into Islam now, for them it means the way they dress, the way they pray and their basic culture. Aside from the minority, most don’t value the things you have described at all. And yet now we have mobs in our streets that hunt them down - hunt down the poorest, most disadvantaged people on earth because they wear head scarves.
So stand back from the picture a little. The so called “Christian West” becomes unbelievable rich and fat by taking from the poor majority. The world is currently living through a global food shortage, but I’m not hungry and I’m guessing that neither of you are either. The muslim world is. Just as the world approaches peak oil supply, the US declares war on the nation with the 2nd largest oil reserves with one of its stated goals being to enact the Iraqi Oil Law which puts control of their oil into the hands of western corporations. There was no connection between Iraq and 9/11 and there were no WOMD, these are established facts. But now there are a lot of muslim boys growing up who’s dads were blown up by the “Christian West” in an unjust war. Why do you really think there is a rise in terrorism and hatred of the west. Come on people.
By all means let people know what the Koran says, but the way kaw wrote to both M.Mustafa and myself jumping to so many far flung conclusions is not objective comment. Feel free to disagree - you doubt that I understood the Koran and you doubt that I am a Christian. What was there in my first post that would suggest that to any objective person? I’m sorry kaw and Shiekyermami but unless you can stay objective and look for real solutions, this is nothing more than a white supremacist site and you’ve got as much right to talk about love as the KKK.
A christian,
Firstly please use some intelligent argument to the case in point. You ask people to leave christianity out of the argument - however you introduced it - and perhaps you should also change your moniker. And precisely what far-flung conclusions did I give to you??? I can pretty much validate and support what I write - I suspect it is you who do not understand objective comment. As to why I suspect you are a muslim - your ditherings share certain characteristics that are common amongst these folks - you have left signatures which tell more about you than you possibly wish. I do not recall having specifically mentioned any aspect of Christianity - in fact I know that I have not. I only implied you are a wolf in sheep’s clothing and preliminary analysis supports this conclusion.
We have a significant problem with a significant minority of a 6th/7th century philosophy that seeks to impose itself on others. Poverty or perceived injustice is no excuse to behave as islamists do. The arguments in your second last paragraph are YOUR interpretation on a complex situation. They can be easily disproved and represent nothing more that your somewhat poorly informed opinion (actually I find your inability to understand and question rather sad): what you write is not factual and it is certainly not objective. And to correct your inability to count - more muslims have been killed by muslims then by coalition troops in Iraq or Afghanistan. Statistically it is much more likely that your muslim dads were murdered by their fellow muslims. As an aside one thing that annoys me is that our people on the ground put themselves deliberately at risk in order to avoid killing non-combatants. This policy costs the lives of our people, and while the muslim terrorist behaves exactly as you have implied the coalition does, it is our soldiers who are insulted by people like you. Well our folks are there to do a difficult job and they are doing it fairly and well. It is a shame that they are rewarding by insulting insinuations from people like yourself. To further correct your inability to connect the dots, the attack on NYC the attacks on Kenya, and several other muslim terror acts were planned and committed before any action against muslim communities and countries were taken by the west. These predate Afghanistan, and Iraq. It means that these people planned terror attacks against western targets with no justification at all. I consider that an act of war. If you do not consider such an action as an act of way please explain to me your enlightened concept of war.
Islam is not the religion of the third world - although in numbers it is significant. However the third world consists of all belief systems, of which islam is only one! It is a shame that you have such a restricted world view of the third world, which is far more diverse than you can possibly imagine. I come from the third world so I find your statement darkly amusing. This statement alone implies that what you write should be considered with care. Your emails have all the hallmarks of a muslim in disguise. As I said - it is clear that you have not understood much of what you may have read and you certainly have shown that you are incapabale of understanding the complex situation that exists in the world today. And take your silly reference to the KKK away - if you even remotely understood what concerns people here in this group you would have realised that it is precisely the behavour of a group that behave like the KKK - these are of course the islamists. One of the things that make people humans is the capacity for love. You have no right to determine how can and cannot concern themselves with this concept. I cannot recall anyone behaving in this fashion, and this is rather in disagreement with sentiment expressed the last sentence of your third paragraph.
On a personnel note I would recommend that you really think before you commit your thoughts to print. One minor point that seems to have eluded you. There is a significant problem within the islamic community - and only they can find a solution which they can accept and which we can accept without giving away what we are. The search for real solutions will not come from people like you who write reams about little - it will come from the muslim community itself. They are the people who will have to change. After all, they are in OUR home. However, to date the muslim community has shown little ability or wish to change. This is just an objective statement of fact - debate it if you wish but you will find little to support your stance. I can tell you where to find mobs of muslims who hunt down non-muslims and kill them (Pakistan, Iran for example) but there is no place in the west where the non-muslim majority have behaved in this way to muslims. I suspect you are taking about the situation in Greece - and you are as usual wrong. The facts clearly shown frequent muslim transgressions against local customs and cultures in all non-muslim countries. You remind me of the mad mullah who blames a woman for being raped because she wears a short skirt - in other words you attempt to transfer the responsibility of the attack to the victim. This essentially appears to be a cornerstone of your arguments, but I reject this assertion unreservedly.
Kaw, I asked you a simple question to establish your objectivity and you’ve avoided it with more talk about how bad muslims are and how stupid you think I am. Explain how my ditherings reveal that I’m a muslim and not a Christian, or else try not to jump to such indefencible conclusions because they don’t do your argument any favours.
Allah teaches outright condemnation and rejection of anyone that disagrees with him, Jesus teaches freedom to choose.
Allah teaches that those with moral failings should be punished severely, Jesus teaches that the person with no sin should cast the first stone.
Allah teaches that his enemies need to be destroyed, Jesus teaches that we should love our enemies and give our lives for them.
Where do you fit kaw? “Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.” (1 John4:8). “You have heard it said, ‘Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” (Matt 5:43-45) “This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.” (1 John3:16)
Love is God’s territory. When you’re prepared to lay down your life for your muslim brothers come back and talk about love again. Until then, just be careful you don’t become the thing you hate.
A Christian
You are wasting my time - your question was answered. I also specifically noted that the problem exists with a significant minority . not with all muslims (here I differ with many who read this). The only comment of yours which is valid is that it is very easy to become the enemy if one becomes too focused on the wrong points. I know this and agree with you. A concrete example of how poor your judgement is: I am one of those silly people that write to the various officials concerned in capital punishment cases - we do not use religion as a marker - we have written to leaders in Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia to try and have people who have been questionably convicted released or to have the death sentence removed. Sadly we are usually unsuccessful, and I might note that the USA is one of the worst offenders. Am also one of those folks who will stand up and protect a person who is being threatened by thugs or by police - regardless of if they are muslims or not. Been there but don’t recommend it as it is sometimes not much fun. Simply put all data I assess points out the islamists are a major threat - and I will ensure that they are destroyed - and I am pretty the important chap is on my side! And to clear up another of your misunderstandings - you first told us that we were as bad as the KKK and that we had as much right to talk about love as the KKk. I simply noted that you were out of line - and I am now about 85-90% certain that you are a muss. Keep on writing - it is giving our profiling good gen.
A Christian,
As to how profiling works - read a book about it - incidentally your last post brought you from 96% to 85% probability of being a muslim. Your second last post is also a virtual copy of what the Sheik write beforehand. Anyhow, I am tired and I need to sleep. Have a pleasant day.
And for the last time - islam is NOT a race!!!! Comment against islamists is NOT racist!!!! Maybe the comments are true, or false, or unpleasant, or whatever —- but they are not racist! A muslim really does seem to be a automated spammer. Sheik, you should check your logs to analyse the frequencies at which “A muslim” has been been accessing your site/server.
That would be the first time I’ve been profiled as a muslim because I talk about love. You goose, you’re so full of it my friend.
I hope that you do actually do the things you wrote about, we need more people like that. I loved the image at the Cronulla riot when the mob was hunting down anyone wearing a head scarf and one Australian jumped on top of a muslim to protect him from them. Is that the sort of thing you’re saying you’d do? It does seem a little redundant though - saying you’d protect people from thugs when the things you say are exactly what stirs the mobs up in the first place. You call Mohommed a “pig prophet”, refer to “idiot muslims”, “the mentally deficient muslim horde”, give people names like “the muzz”, criticise someone because their english is not up to scratch, say that you will destroy Islam, say to a muslim “we reject you and your kind, utterly, totally and without reservation” and threaten to “terminate” certain muslims.
It does seem however that you have some reservations thankfully. You don’t seem to plan on “terminating” all muslims, just the “idiots”, and only in the name of love with the “important chap” on your side. Personally, I’ve had enough of crusades, inquisitions, holy wars, Jihads, Cromwells and everyone else with God on their side. I’m more of the mind to try and get on His side.
You see the problem with separating “idiots” from amongst the “mentally deficient muslim horde” is the things that have been listed on this website from the Koran. You can murder the ones you think don’t love enough, but the rest still have the Koran to look at, so there will always be new voices to take over from the old. You can’t destroy a major religion by murdering it’s leaders, especially not when martyrdom is such a central tenet. All you do is intensify the following.
Kaw, you have the potential to make a difference in this world. Allah is a cruel god and muslims are his first victims, but you won’t make things right by killing people. Keep speaking the truth, but reign in your anger and verbal abuse. If you do believe in freedom then believe in the freedom of people to believe those things they have been taught from childhood, even if they are clearly harmful. They do have the right and you don’t have the right to take it from them. You do however have the right and the power to pursue individuals with reason and love, to persist despite personal cost, to learn to respect and admire those things that are good in their beliefs and to build relationships of trust that provide a safe place for muslims to consider other ideas. As Martin Luther King said so well “the end is inherent in the means”.
A Christian,
YOU ARE WASTING MY TIME . I REJECT THE PHILOSOPHY THAT MANY MUSLIM INTERPRET AS THEIR RELIGION AND I REJECT IT UTTERLY AND TOTALLY. AND YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF DESTROYING A MAJOR RELIGION - THE CATHARS AND THE AZTECS ARE BUT TWO EXAMPLES OF MANY IN OUR PAST. IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT MUSLIMS WILL GO THE SAME WAY. ISLAM, ONCE AGAIN, IS NOT THE RELIGION OF THE THIRD WORLD. AS FOR CRONULLA - THE RIOTS WERE STARTED BY MUSLIMS AFTER SEVERAL YEARS OF PROVOCATION. THEY STARTED THE VIOLENCE AND THERE IS A PRICE TO PAY WHICH STILL HAS NOT BEEN DELIVERED. THERE HAVE NO VERIFIABLE INSTANCES OF WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED BY A MOB OF NON-MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIMS IN THE WEST - THE CONVERSE IS NOT TRUE IN MUSLIM LANDS. I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR BELIEF AGAINST THEIR WILL, BUT I DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT AGAINST THOSE THAT WOULD USE THEIR BELIEF TO HURT. YOU SHARE CERTAIN MUSLIM CHARACTERISTICS WITH MUSLIM BLOGGERS - AND NOT BECAUSE YOU SPOKE ABOUT LOVE - YOU HAVE EXTRAPOLATED MY OBSERVATION WITHOUT ANY UNDERSTANDING - RATHER DANGEROUS ACTUALLY. THIS ALSO EXTENDS TO YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE MUSLIM PROBLEM. I AM NOT YOUR FRIEND (A TYPICAL MUSLIM DISMISSAL ACTUALLY) - I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN WHETHER YOU LIVE OR DIE AND THERE IS LITTLE POINT IN MAINTAINING A DISCOURSE WITH YOU . SOMETIMES A SWORD IS NEEDED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM - IT IS IRRELEVANT AS TO WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND THIS OR NOT - IT WILL NOT CHANGE WHAT IS HAPPENING. AS BEING BEING FULL OF “IT” - DEFINE “IT” FIRST!
So the muslims of Sydney still have a price to pay which has not been delivered yet. I assume that you’re all for another mob to finish delivering it? All of course in the name of stopping a belief that would hurt people… You say that sometimes a sword is needed to solve the problem.
You seem to be a bit lost there my friend. And I use the term “my friend” not because I think you like me or because I’m trying to dismiss you but because I do care whether you live or die and it matters to me that someone can be so consumed with hatred that they have lost all self awareness. You’re on a slippery slope there, you can’t talk about killing people forever, sooner or later your demons will push you over the line. Get some help buddy.
A Christian.
We have a fundamental impasse - I believe that there are people there who cannot accept us and who would destroy us. I do not believe that their mindsets can change - or rather I see no evidence supporting that conjecture. Of course evil is always present - and the war against evil cannot be won. I really do hope that a peaceful solution exists for what I amongst many see as a major present day problem - the inability of the ummah to live with others - but the evidence suggests that it does not. In this sense I hope that what you seem to imply is true - and that faith and good will can overcome the barriers. If there is no peaceful solution then one has to fight. And it is better to start sooner rather than later because the enemy will be better prepared with obvious consequences. It is not about killing people or hate - it is about what might be necessary to survive. There is a difference. Will you successfully reason with a muslim terrorist who fervently believes that he will go to paradise if he kills you and your family. You can try - from the Israeli experience it doesn’t work. I have lived in a civil war - and I don’t wish that on anyone - so I am will state it very clearly - if you are wrong and no peaceful solution is possible then we must fight. In this case a sword in necessary. As for the muslims in sydney - the people who organized their part of the rioting need to be handed to the police - they have not done this and the police have received little co-operation from these people. You may draw your own conclusions.
I agree on a lot of your points kaw. I’ve heard the frustration from some of the Sydney Police and I’m well aware that in politically sensitive situations justice can be compromised. I’m all for our authorities dealing equal justice to people regardless of religion or race. But having said that, you’re still more likely to die from a bee sting than you are from a terrorist at this stage.
I’m confident that I can’t successfully reason with a muslim terrorist unless God makes that possible. I don’t claim any special powers of reason, but I make the simple observation that any muslim reading a blog such as this one or talking to a person that thinks the way people have on this blog could be forgiven for feeling some anger in response to the brutal hatred expressed here. We may not via reason be able to stop a terrorist, but we can sure stop ourselves from creating new ones.
Kaw and Sheikyermami, I ask you to consider the definition of genocide from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:
“Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or RELIGIOUS group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and PUBLIC INCITEMENT to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.”
Unfortunately this blog crosses the line and puts you on the side of the bad guys. That’s nothing to do with reining in free speech, you can still put the stats out there, still quote from the Koran, still expose injustice and evil where you see it. But when you do, you have the responsibility to deliver it in such a way that you are not inciting hatred in people, that you instead encourage reasoned thought and an intelligent response that understands the cultural complexities and the reasons that people do what they do.
You have not done that. You have preached hatred, you have not rebuked people posting hate filled comments. You present cartoons that are deeply reminiscent of the antisemitic caricatures of the Nazis.
You are right, there is corruption and rot in the system; justice is compromised over and over again. Muslim boys that bash or rape non muslims and don’t get a fitting punishment are one example. The fact that this blog has been allowed to continue when it so clearly breaks article III of the Genocide Convention is another. I put it back on your shoulders: what are you going to do to make this world a more just place?
A Christian,
I may not be allergic to bee venom - a bee sting would then not kill me. A terror bomb can. Be very careful of how you use statistics to justify a point - most people do not get it right. The contents of this blog will not incite someone to become a terrorists unless they have already been radicalized or have chosen that path. I will specifically write this again - if a person is a muslim and feels obliged to commit violence against others because of what he/she has read here then he/she will almost use some other reason to justify this violence if this blog did not exist. This will not be allowed. Whether you agree with the sentiments expressed here or not, these sentiments represent the
feeling of a significant number of people who are concerned with muslim behavior. And, just as you have a right to be heard, so do they. This blog does not break the conventions you note. I interpret that sentiment from you as an attempt to have this legal form of expression banned. I sincerely hope that this is not the case.
Kaw, as I said I am not out to block your freedom of speech. I am simply encouraging you to be careful; the Convention is out to stop the intent to “destroy” a religious group, eg: “Simply put all data I assess points out the islamists are a major threat - and I will ensure that they are destroyed …” or “Islam is the enemy of all free peoples, and we will destroy it”. You’re after the wrong thing. People need to be freed but you want them destroyed.
It’s good that you want to protect people from the violence that is so prevalent in many muslim countries. It is obscene that these things happen and cannot be excused. But despite the fact that you say it’s only some muslims, to continue to tar all muslims with the same brush. The Cronulla mob didn’t check first whether the people they were bashing were ‘the bad ones’ or not, all they were interested in was whether they were “Lebs”. Your language doesn’t appeal to the higher part of people.
Another thing Martin Luther King said was “hate begets hate”, and it’s one of the basic facts of life for people that work for peace in war torn nations. So many wars are fought over something that someone did in response to something that someone else did etc etc. Severe poverty, injustice, having a civil war in your country, watching your dad bash your mother; they mess a person up and can put them close to the edge. People don’t need other people to treat them the way you have here just as you don’t need it. All I’m saying is have some compassion and sensitivity. You’re dealing with a cancer, don’t operate with a machete.
I agree that compassion and sensitivity are needed, but I suspect that the “Bad Guys” will simply use that to gain an advantage, and I don’t feel that I can justify taking the risk. Perhaps your analogy to cancer is more real then you imagine - usually a cancer is killed via chemotherapy or radiation treatments. When I say “muslim” I mean the “bad guys” - I should be more explicit - however as I noted the true followers of the Quran cannot be called good. To be quite honest I am close to lumping all of these folks into the one basket; by association and because there is little effort from these people to excise the extremists. I certainly agree with you in that war is a horrible thing - however sometimes there is no option - well usually there is but sometimes, truly, there is not. Lets hope that these folks can integrate without wishing to subjugate and that the rising death tolls due to islamic extremism halt without the need for additional conflict. I think we have said enough on this issue so I wish you well and hope that your dream of a peaceful resolution will pass. Best regards!!
Thanks kaw. I am glad for you that you’re out of that civil war situation you described earlier, it must have been a terrible thing. Hope life’s good for you now.
so much fear.
What you seem to fail to understand.. is that the bible could be used for the same terrorist reasoning that you cite. The Quran does not support the beliefs of the radical anymore than the bible does…
example: you say that the quran says that since the non-believer is doomed to hell.. then there’s no loss in his death..
the bible says that if you don’t give your life to Jesus you are doomed to hell… so radical christians can and have misinterpreted this to mean that they might as well kill those who don’t believe.
The two books are remarkably similar in many ways (although I am a Christian and of course am biased to which is correct). A fanatic can take either text and use them to legitimize their jihad or crusade.
Are their more radical muslims? .. i’d say yes. - although I believe this is due more to the third world nature of the countries involved than the teaching of the text.
You speak to radicals… then quote them.. and decide that this proves your point.
There is only one way to stop the Jihad….. with one hand outstretched in peace…. and the other on a gun in it’s holster =) As I said earlier.. it’s only because of the third world nature of the countries involved - and the endless wars and built up tension that so many radical islamists are out there. We have to stop the hate, but usually when you have an extremely angry person.. and you offer your hand in friendship - you’ll get smacked in the face… - and the next time you’ll get the same… and again… and again.. — but eventually, the anger will subside.. and they will finally accept peace. In the real world there’s no ‘turn the other cheek’…. you end up blown to smithereens… which is why instead you offer peace… but carry a big gun - cause there’s thousands of years of anger that we have to fix… and guess what? yes, we can.
my comment was mainly a reaction to your statement above (not anyone’s comments.. its a reply to the website content far above)
as an example let me replace the words with christian one’s
Can A Christian Become A Good American Citizen
Can a good Christian be a good American?
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Jesus
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his God except Christianity (The Bible - the first of the ten commandments)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the God and the Bible (The Bible).
Geographically - no. Because scripture says to be ‘in this world but not ‘of this world’.
etc.
You can replace the idea of Islam with Christianity.. and either one if interpreted INCORRECTLY you would feel that the death of non-believers is not only inconsequential - but doing the work of God.
Both the Bible and Quran can be twisted this way… equally. And they have been.
Muslims in this country live quite peacefully.. - muslims in other countries do as well.. - but where poverty and endless war exists… radical extremists exist in greater numbers - feeling that only ‘jihad’ can save their struggling, war-torn world. - this is completely understandable. Poverty even in our own country leads to violent extremism.. in the form of gang wars.. suicide.. etc.
Poverty, Hatred and Ignorance are the enemies… and they can be very very dangerous enemies indeed… but it isn’t the teaching of the Quran.. or the Bible .. that causes violence - it’s the misinterpretation of them - through eyes blinded with hate and ignorance and abject poverty - that causes violence.
http://www.aina.org
Cairo (AINA) — In another incident of abduction and forced Islamization of Coptic minor girls, 16-year old Nermeen Mitry was abducted by a Muslim man to coerce her into converting to Islam. She was successfully recovered on the same day by her family, who did their own investigation and search to locate her.
Nermeen was abducted from El-Mahalla by Muslim Hossam Hamouda in conspiracy with his aunt Leila Attia; she was hidden away by a third person called Nasser Abu Deif from Assuit in Upper Egypt, at the home of one of his female relatives called Rasha Soliman in Zagazig.
The success of recovering the Coptic girl led to anger, revenge and assaults from the disappointed village Muslims against her family. Nearly 150 Muslims, armed with swords and clubs, physically assaulted five family members of the abducted Coptic teenager, as they drove back to their village after being forced into reconciliation with the abductor’s family by State Security, compromising their right to pursue the case any further. “With every blow on us, they chanted ‘There is only one Allah’ while the Police stood there watching the assault, until we could take no more and three of us were hospitalized,” said Nermeen’s uncle Sameh Mitry in an aired interview with Coptic News on 6/7/2009. “They dragged us out of the car saying “Get out you followers of the Dog’s religion!’ They were consumed with anger ever since we got our girl back.”
The police rounded up11 Copts including the assaulted family and 14 Muslims. “The police let the real attackers go free and were just arresting people randomly,” said Sameh. “We were released after 3 days except for two Copts whom the State Security held as pawns — just in case we made any trouble they would be detained for a long time,” said Sameh.
Nermeen Mitry, 16, from Toma village near El-Mahalla town, was on her way to sit for an exam on May 21, 2009, when she was lured by a Muslim female friend to go home with her where she offered her spiked tea. She regained conscious hours later to find herself facing a bearded Muslim man trying to convert her to Islam, in a far away town and another governorate in Egypt, which she later knew to be Zagazig. The traumatized girl recounted the events to Osama Eid, correspondent of the Free-Copts Organization.
“The man was very confident and told me that I would be the fourth Coptic girl to ‘know the true Allah’ and convert to Islam through him. He also said that a member of my family was converted 15 years ago by him. I told him I am engaged to be married when I come of age, and would never convert to Islam as this would be a catastrophe for me. He did his best to make me change my mind, and then left me alone for a while.”
When Nermeen did not return home, the Mitry family went to the police. Unable to get the police to register the case as an abduction, the family subsequently went to State Security and reported the incident, but were delayed there for hours with no progress.
“Meanwhile, one of the abductor’s family members contacted Nermeen’s cousin Romany and told him he knew her whereabouts, and offered to accompany him to bring her back,” Sameh told Coptic News. “I am sure the abductor’s family knew that we would have implicated them and they were afraid. We freed the girl ourselves; State Security did nothing to help.”
On their way back with Nermeen, they were contacted by the police and were told to bring the girl to State Security Directorate. Reflecting the diminished Coptic trust in all government institutions especially State Security, “we never went there, instead we took the girl straight to a Monastery to be safe there,” Sameh told Coptic News. “We know quite well what Security would have done as has happened in many cases before. If she went there, they would have changed everything, closed the case and she would have gone to the other side.”
“Ever since Nermeen returned the village Muslims joining the abductor’s family started a terror campaign against us and all Copts in the village in general. They harassed and taunted us by saying ‘we will get your girls one by one’” said Sameh. “They burnt down Nermeen’s father recycled cartons warehouse. They set it on fire at dawn and went to the mosque to pray after locking its door. We contacted the Police and implicated a few people. They were released by State Security within 4 days.”
Nermeen’s abduction case was picked up by several Coptic human rights Organization and brought to light. Sadly and shamefully, the news agencies in Egypt, including the foreign ones, quoted the State Security as their news source. Their story was again portrayed as a ‘love story’ between a Muslim man and a 19-year-old Coptic girl who eloped together for two weeks. Even the governor of Gharbiah, when interviewed on the independent TV channel Al Mehwar, denied the news of any abduction and said that the sectarian strife in Mehallah was strictly a fight between a Muslim and a Coptic family over ‘rubbish collection.’
The systematic Islamization of Coptic girls has been going on for more than 30 years, Coptic Pope Shenouda protested during a conference held in Alexandria on December 17th, 1976 that “there is pressure being practiced to convert Coptic girls to embrace Islam and marry them under terror to Muslim husbands” and demanded that the abducted girls be brought back to their families.
By Mary Abdelmassih
Yes Dave,
go right ahead and tell us where these “radical Christians” are who use the bible to justify beheadings, terrorize non-Christians and fly hijacked airliners into tall buildings.
Poverty, hatred and ignorance are the result of the failed Islamic nations who blame us infidels for all their failures, while they rely on our support, (you may prefer to call it aid, I call it tribute, jiziya) to survive another day.
Get out of Islam and get an education!
Sheikyermami, if you want to argue that the majority world nations are poor because of Islam, go ahead. But to do so you need to present an argument. Simply saying the words and pretending that the people you are talking to are muslims is meaningless. Unfortunately, the whole idea is a very convenient way of turning a blind eye to other’s needs.
The Law of Gravity is self-evident.
Islamic countries are ignorant, illiterate, poor and aggressive BECAUSE of ISLAM.
That’s not an argument, that’s a FACT!
Islam: It’s The Ideology, Stupid!
You’ve said the same thing using slightly different words.
Let’s try a concrete example. When a developing nation signs a Free Trade Agreement with the US or the EU, they are now being asked to sign a clause that they will guarantee to export the same quantity to the richer nation even if they are suffering acute famine. Even if they have the bodies of those who have starved to death littering their fields, they are obligated to export the same amount of rice, corn or whatever. If they say that they need it to feed their people, the rich nation will take them to court and hit them with a crippling fine. As a result, you get guaranteed cheap groceries.
I’ve provided the facts, now you explain how Islam is to blame.
You have provided nothing. You know nothing about International Trade and your fantasies about “acute famine even if they have the bodies of those who have starved to death littering their fields” are absurd.
Islamic nations are a bottomless pit and no matter how many billions we donate or write off will only make them demand more, without gratitude.
Besides, its us who export food and aid in fantastic amounts, not the other way around.
Just go away! Get a job with Bono or Geldof.
Still no information, just more dramatic rebuttal. I’m offering you the opportunity to enlighten me on international trade but you’re not taking it.
Try this then: A few decades ago Haiti was completely self sufficient in its main staple rice, however external pressure (particularly a 1994 package from the IMF) has forced the country to liberalise its economy through Free Trade Agreements. Cheap US subsidised rice then flooded the country putting local growers out of business; but recently prices have risen by 50% so that many Haitians can no longer afford to eat.
Over to you - explain how Islam is responsible for the Haitian starvation. I’d happily go away and work with people like Bono or Geldof who are doing something useful with their lives, but for now I feel the need to hold you accountable for your willful ignorance and antisocial fanaticism - “shine a light on it” so to speak.
It took Geldof more than 10 years to distribute the money and to keep it out of the hands of Commie and Muslim infested aid organizations that squander it or pass it on to dictators who use it to keep themselves in power. Bono is an airhead, a dodgy character who jumped on the bandwagon for self-aggrandizement. Apart from that he is a stingy creep who never used a penny of his own money for his grand schemes, but rather tries to pester Western governments into contributions that sicker into a bottomless pit. Have you ever seen the the results of this generosity? Its not pretty.
Haiti is, and always was, an economic basket case. “Self-sufficient” is a fantasy and a lie concocted by red ratbags. Why give any aid at all? Why should we be held responsible for the successive dictatorships of Haiti? Why should we clean up the mess after Mugabe ruined the former Rhodesia? (Zimbabwe) My heart bleeds for the white farmers who have been driven out of their homes with no more than their shirts on their backs.
No you don’t. 3rd world dictatorships are not my responsibility. Not a penny without accountability. We have a social responsibility to assist OUR people to get off their asses and to stand on their own feet, to encourage entrepreneurship and not to overburden them with taxes and regulations. Instead we have increasing government and overregulation, and an ever increasing populace on welfare, a proletariat that has abdicated all responsibility to look after themselves. I hope you’re not one of them.
Apart from that, what has Haiti got to do with the global jihad and the mission of this blog?
Thanks Sheik, you got into some facts there; albeit one-sided. The reason I raised Haiti was in response to your global statement “Poverty, hatred and ignorance are the result of the failed Islamic nations who blame us infidels for all their failures, while they rely on our support, (you may prefer to call it aid, I call it tribute, jiziya) to survive another day.”
You’re absolutely right that people need to take responsibility for themselves. Aid that disempowers communities and encourages dependence almost always backfires and increases poverty overall; but we do have to decide just how Darwinian we want to be.
The Biblical perspective on love is that it has to be guided by knowledge; this is why I read your posts as part of a wide range of information. I take on what seems supported and reasonable and I debate what I think is debatable. It is not love to assuage personal guilt by throwing money at the poor, there need to be real solutions. But love also does not stand back and say “you had a corrupt dictator - your problem”. Especially when our own economies have so often benefited from their corruption; eg Shell’s access to oil in the Nigerian delta with no environmental restrictions because the dictatorship of the time could be paid off and was prepared to kill 2,000 Ogoni that protested; or Australia’s mining boom so greatly boosted by the Freeport mines in West Papua, made possible by Indonesia’s brutal repression of the people that own the land. My heart also bleeds for the white farmers driven out of Zimbabwe, but it also bleeds for the native African people who had their shanty towns bulldozed, at times with their children still inside. It would be shameless hypocrisy to care about the welfare of the white farmers and not the Africans when neither group wanted the dictator they now have.
You will notice that I have never mentioned aid, only trade. I believe that aid has an important role, but the real issue is trade. It’s the people who have the money that tell us what to believe about trade; it is critical that we look below the surface and not just believe everything we’re told. We need to read outside of the range of those people we think we will agree with. It would be pretty naive to think that the world’s 8 richest economies can meet together in secrecy and develop trade plans that give equal weight to the interests of the poorer nations as they do to their own.
Islam doesn’t mean peace, as many apologists would have you believe. In fact it means anything but. Islam means submission.
Some claim it means submission to Allah, but even that is wrong. Islam simply means total submission to Islam, the ideology, the doctrine.
That’s all.
Well, not entirely: The English word “peace” means tranquility or serenity, silence, freedom from war, freedom from anxiety, a state of harmony between people etc. All the people love to enjoy peace in their lives. Many a times Muslims call Islam as peace. Specially, after 9/11, Islamists echo continuously—“Islam means peace”. Therefore—Islam can not condone terrorism or war. Now, does anybody know what the Islamic concept of peace is? Do you know the Islamic peace do not signify the same meaning we learned from the English Dictionary? Here is the real meaning of Islamic concept of peace.
Islamic understanding of peace means submission or surrender.
Peace comes (according to Islam) only after one surrenders or submits one’s self. Submission or surrender to whom? Submission to only Allah (Islamic God) and his messenger Muhammad. Therefore peace (Islamic) exists only inside the Dar-ul-Islam—the house of submission, after the conversion to Islam. That is the ultimate meaning of Islamic peace. The false meaning of Islam as peace misguides the gullible western non-Muslims. Conniving Islamists misguided President Bush and his White House staffs by their cheap shot of Islamic peace.
“It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option.” Qur’an 33:36
There is scarcely a single non-Muslim inhabitant of England, France, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain, or any other country in Western Europe who, knowing what he now knows, or perceives, would not, if he could rewind the clock, undo the policy of permitting large-scale — or even small-scale — immigration by Muslims, and almost all, if not all, of such inhabitants would gladly, if they could, have halted all Muslim immigration altogether. It has become a permanent security nightmare, and a permanent threat to the legal and political institutions, and social arrangements, everywhere accepted in the Western world. That large-scale Muslim presence has required tens of billions of dollars to be spent, now and forevermore, on monitoring of Muslim populations and guarding airports, train stations, subway stations, bus terminals, airplanes and trains and busses, ports, government buildings, churches and synagogues, all identifiably Jewish institutions including day-schools, all the most important Christian sites (such as the Vatican), museums (whose contents offend Muslim sensibilities) and much more. Every country in the West has developed institutions, laws, has permitted the free inquiry that permits the enterprisee of science, has created conditions for the creation of works of art, none of which, and not for one minute, could have been created by Muslims or under Islamic rule.
And everywhere in the Lands of the Infidels the large-scale presence of Muslims has created a situation of much greater unpleasantness, expense, and physical insecurity than would exist without such a presence. That no one in Western Europe now denies; the quarrel is over what can or should be done about that.
In an attempt to avoid religious bias and the emotions that arise as a result, I’d like to suggest a return to reason and logic.
As to the question of Islam being the cause of poverty in the predominately Islamic countries, I’d like to refer to a United Nations report, done completely by Arabs. I think we can agree that virtually all Arabs are muslims. While there are Arab Jews, Arab Christians, etc., their numbers are small.
From the Arab Human Development Report of the United Nations:
“True democracy is absent and desperately needed. Most of the time human rights are no more than a poster hung in sham councils and organisations. The educational system is severely retarded; schools produce ignorant young men and women who excel in rote memorisation more than educated innovators. Most intellectuals, even if they deny it, realise that most of what was said in the most recent Arab Human Development Report is true.”
I think we all can agree that uneducated, ignorant people tend to be poor.
Very interesting, Kafirist, but in reality the OIC has crafted a “Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam” that effectively subjects everyone and everything to sharia law …
ARTICLE 24:
All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari’ah.
ARTICLE 25:
The Islamic Shari’ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification of any of the articles of this Declaration.
There will not be “true democracy” under sharia law - far from it.
The god of islam (no son, no crucifixion, no saklvation) is not the God
of the Bible (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), and judgement is fast approaching those who reject God’s plan of salvation through Jesus Christ.
Islam is doomed, along with its followers, “educated” or otherwise, unless they change their minds about Jesus Christ.
There seems to be an opinion by some that the United States is a Christian country founded by Christians.
I’m not sure how this idea originated, but it is in fact completely false. Many of the founding fathers, and especially the outstanding ones, were Deists or Atheists, not Christians. The goal of the founding fathers was to create a completely secular state. Here are just a few quotes:
James Madison, often called the father of the Constitution:
“Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects.”
Thomas Jefferson:
“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”
George Washington:
The blessed Religion revealed in the word of God will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes.
John Adams in the Barbary Peace treaty:
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..
Thomas Paine:
“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.”
Benjamin Franklin:
“As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity”
The profound idea that the United States was to be a secular country is probably the greatest single reason for the success of the United States . It released mankind from the intellectual shackles and perpetual ignorance that are always imposed by religions.
And there is no reason we should be ashamed of our success nor feel that somehow we are responsible for all the ills of the world.
“we all can agree that uneducated, ignorant people tend to be poor.”
Not at all. There are many uneducated, ignorant people who are wealthy.
And the Muslims who are educated and wealthy, are they less dangerous to us?
Of course not all uneducated people are poor; that’s why I used the word “tend”. As to educated Muslims being more or less dangerous, I think we have to define Muslim.
As a working definition, let’s assume that a Muslim believes the following:
The Quran is the literal, eternal word of God.
The Quran, as stated within it, is written in pure and simple words.
Mohammed life and behavior is, as stated in the Quran, an excellent example for the followers of Islam.
Then, the educated Muslim; i.e., one who has studied the Quran, would be in fact the most dangerous Muslim. He/she would understand the concept of abrogation explained in the Quran. (I suspect the uneducated muslim may also believe the above, but, if poor, is probably more concerned about scraping a meal together to feed his family than he is conquering the world for Islam and, hence, could be considered “moderate” in some views.)
In a sense, the Quran is Islam’s worst enemy. We are all probably familiar with Sura 9, one of the last Suras to be written:
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Some Islamic apologists explain that such verses are counter balanced by the good verses: tolerance of other religions, how Mohammed treated non-belivers, etc. Such verses of course do exist in the Quran.
But because of abrogation, the tolerant verses were nullified by the later versus of Sura 9. Of course it could be, and has, been argued that Sura 9 does not abrogate them and they still stand.
The fallacy of the argument is that it is clear that Mohammed, who one would think would know what God really meant, followed the revelations of Sura 9 when he conquered all of the Arabian penisula. His personal friends, the first Caliphs, Abu Bakr, Umar ibn al-Khattab, and Uthman Ibn Affan proceeded with the Islamic conquest of the world after Mohammed’s death. During their regimes, little thought was given to the suras of tolerance as history can attest: Estimates of the number of people killed during this conquest range from 200 million to 300 million.
Also, there is the hadith: It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah.
It is abundantly clear that the peaceful saras were in fact abrogated no matter how one tries to rationalize otherwise.
Sometimes it’s nice to lighten up a bit. I hope you enjoy this but it’s not my intent to hurt anyone’s feelings:
A conversation overheard in 7th century Mecca and translated into today’s English:
“Hey, Abu, who’s your friend?”
“His name is Mohammed, Umar. He’s the prophet of God.”
“Really? How do you know?”
“Mohammed says so.”
“Hmm…so what’s with the dead palm leaf?
“I write down the revelations of God on it.”
“How do you know they’re the revelations of God?”
“Mohammed says so.”
“Hmm…so what’s this God’s name?”
“Mohammed says it’s Al-Raman.”
“Who’s that? I’ve never heard of him. You might wanna pick a name the locals have heard of or else you might get banished from town like that old fool Zayd ibn ‘Amr.”
“Any ideas, Umar?”
“Well, I’ve always thought the moon god Allah was kinda cool. He has three hot daughters and I kinda dig that crescent moon symbol.”
“Good idea, Umar. You should sign up.”
“Nah, I don’t think so.”
“C’mon, Umar. We’re gonna raid caravans and stuff and Mohammed says we can keep any slave girls and share in the booty.”
“That’s kinda dangerous, Abu. Those caravans are heavily guarded and you could get killed.”
“No problem, Umar. Mohammed says if you die in a fight, you will immediately go to paradise and have tons of virgin girls to play with and rivers of honey and shade trees and all kinds of good stuff.”
“Sounds good, Abu. Let me think about it. I’ll catch ya later.”
“See ya, Umar. Peace be upon you.”
“There seems to be an opinion by some that the United States is a Christian country founded by Christians.”
Yes, some do hold that opinion, but the U.S. Congress has legislated to the effect that the USA is founded on the 7 Noahide Laws, not on Christianity, but something quite alien to it - more akin to Sharia Law than to salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
(http://)thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR:
[To designate March 26, 1991, as `Education Day, U.S.A.'.
Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws; ]
There is an opinion by some (Jews and muslims alike) that sharia law is compatible with noahide law, and that islam is a noahide religion.
(Others do not hold that opinion, and others like me reject both sharia and noahide law as being incompatible with God’s plan of salvation through Jesus Christ).
This, Biblically, is not a battle against flesh and blood (jihad or holy war or crusade), but will be fought out in the heavenly places, with “allah”, satan, antichrist & false prophet & all those who follow them being defeated.
Actually, Mullah Lodabullah. Congress didn’t “legislate” but simply “recognized”. It appears to be simply “fluff” words added to the Education Day bill to honor of the 90th birthday of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
In fact, on review of the Noahide Laws, very few laws in the US actually conform to them, for example the laws against murder and theft, which of course are not unique to the Noahide Laws. There are in some states laws against adultery, incest, bestiality and sodomy, but they again are not unique to the Noahide Laws and are often not rigorously enforced. None of the other Noahide laws is recognized in any state that I’m aware of.
As to my thoughts on Sharia law, I agree with you. In my opinion, the criminal code is a very short step up from the code of Hammerabi, the difference being that, for example, in Hammerabi law the punishment for theft was death whereas in Sharia law amputation of a hand and/or foot is prescribed.
I can see no place for Sharia law in any Western civilization as it adds nothing new to the existing laws and in fact denies many rights that the citizens of Western countries currently enjoy.