Karen Armstrong attacks Robert Spencer

With thanks to LFG:

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Western apologists for Islam invariably resort to ad hominem attacks and obscure deceptions when they attempt to confront a knowledgeable critic like Robert Spencer; at Jihad Watch Spencer replies to a review by Karen Armstrong of his biography of Mohammed: Karen Armstrong reviews Spencer’s The Truth About Muhammad.

The conclusion of Spencer’s rebuttal contains a perfect example of the deception mentioned above. In her review, Armstrong says the Koran condemns “all warfare as an awesome evil.”

In the comments field below, Jihad Watch reader “Great Comet of 1577” has found the Qur’an verse to which Armstrong was referring. It’s Qur’an 2:217:

“They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression) [or an ”awesome evil“], but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.”

Thus, contrary to Armstrong’s statement that this verse refers to “all warfare” as “an ‘awesome evil,’ in fact the verse refers only to warfare during the sacred month as evil at all, and then goes on to say that ”persecution is worse than killing.“

In context, this verse was revealed to justify a Muslim raid on a Quraysh caravan: the raid took place during a sacred month, during which war was forbidden. But the Quraysh were allegedly persecuting the Muslims, so this verse absolves the Muslims of guilt for the raid — since ”persecution is worse than killing.“

So in fact, the verse that Armstrong is using to argue that the Qur’an teaches that war is an ”awesome evil” actually teaches that moral precepts, such as the prohibition on fighting during the sacred month, may be set aside to benefit the Muslims.

Fjordman comments:

I wonder how much the Saudi’s are paying her. (it is a fact that Armstrong has received ‘grants’ from our ‘friends’- the Sowdi’s…)

BTW: Here is a rather different conclusion:

Islam is the most Warlike Religion

A Danish language researcher has spent over three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, and concludes that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. Four years after the terror attacks at the World Trade Center, Danish linguist Tina Magaard presents an analysis that questions Islam’s relationship with terror, violence and Holy War.

Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions, concludes Tina Magaard. She has a PhD in Textual Analysis and Intercultural Communication from the Sorbonne in Paris, and has spent three years on a research project comparing the original texts of ten religions. “The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree. There are also straightforward calls for terror. This has long been a taboo in the research into Islam, but it is a fact that we need to deal with,” says Tina Magaard.

Moreover, there are hundreds of calls in the Koran for fighting against people of other faiths. “If it is correct that many Muslims view the Koran as the literal words of God, which cannot be interpreted or rephrased, then we have a problem. It is indisputable that the texts encourage terror and violence. Consequently, it must be reasonable to ask Muslims themselves how they relate to the text, if they read it as it is,” says Tina Magaard.

More from Fjordman:

Airport adds foot basins for Muslim cabbies

Police worry about Kansas City ‘catering’ to Islamic rituals

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* If the imposition of the sharia is not resisted at ground levels the demands will increase daily:
The Kansas City International Airport has added several foot-washing basins in restrooms to accommodate a growing number of Muslim taxicab drivers who requested the facilities to prepare for daily Islamic prayer, WND has learned.

The move concerns airport police who worry about Middle Eastern men loitering inside the building. After 9/11, the airport beefed up its police force to help prevent terrorist attacks.

“Why are we constructing places of worship for them inside our airports?” said an airport official who requested anonymity. “Why are we catering to their rituals? We don’t do it for any other religion.”

Other major airports also are dealing with increased demands from Muslim cabdrivers.

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For instance, cabbies at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport recently caused a stir when they refused to carry passengers possessing alcoholic beverages or accompanied by seeing-eye dogs. Alcohol is forbidden in Islam, and dogs are considered unclean.

There are approximately 250 taxicab drivers operating at KCI Airport in Missouri, one of the largest airports in the U.S., linking some 10 million passengers between mid-America and other U.S. cities. Approximately 70 percent of the drivers are of Middle Eastern heritage and practice the Islamic faith, sources say.

KCI Airport Police are responsible for the cab drivers, including the holding areas of the building. The KCI Aviation Department, which oversees the police, recently expanded the taxicab facility restroom area to include the construction of four individual foot-washing benches.

The cost of the project is not immediately known. A spokeswoman for the engineering department said she could not break out the figures.

KCI Airport Police Capt. Jim Harmon declined comment, explaining, “This is a touchy subject.”

He referred questions to the KCI Aviation Department.

* Prostrating yourself before our enemy, are you, Capt. Harmon?
In a cleansing ritual known as ablution, Muslims are required to wash their feet before praying to Allah five times a day. They often complain that public restroom sinks do not accommodate their needs. Floor-level basins make it easier for them to perform their foot-washing ritual.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has pressed government agencies and businesses to install the foot basins in restrooms.

* CAIR is a front for the Hamas terrorist organization that has recently received $ 50 million dollars to spread Islam in the US

The controversial Muslim lobby group advises employers to allow Muslim workers time to perform both the washing ritual and prayer, which “is usually about 15 minutes,” according to a pamphlet CAIR publishes called, “An Employer’s Guide to Islamic Religious Practices.”

The Islamic purification ritual, known in Arabic as “wudu,” involves a 10-step process, which includes:

Read it all from World Net Daily:

Peanut Khadr of Arabia

Hate Campus Invites Carter

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The University of California Irvine, where the Muslim Students Union called for jihad and genocide following a disrupted speech by Daniel Pipes, has invited America’s disgraceful Israel-hating ex-president Jimmy Carter to the campus: Jimmy Carter to visit UC Irvine, talk with students.

This despicable human being should be shunned; instead he’s being feted by academia and used by radical Islamic front groups to promote their demonization of Israel. This is going to make the already appalling, out of control situation at UC Irvine much worse.

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UPDATE at 4/28/07 8:58:44 am:

Alan Dershowitz writes about Jimmy Carter’s connections to the absolutely insane Arab “think tank” known as The Zayed Centre for Coordination and Follow-up: The Real Jimmy Carter.

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LGF was one of the first to expose this vile organization, in the months following the September 11 attacks. But we shouldn’t forget that Jimmy Carter was not the only American politician to associate with this place.

You might have heard of some of the others: former president Bill Clinton, former vice president Al Gore, former secretary of state James Baker, and President George W. Bush’s brother, Neil Bush.

The corruption goes deep.

Today’s Video:

Islam: The Culture of Hatred

Pali Blowjob Alert: “WE WILL BE HUMAN BOMBS”

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* There will never be a ‘TWO STATE SOLUTION’- its a fable. The Arabs have to be resettled in Arabia, the sooner the better.

Fatah Women in Gaza Announce: “We Will Be Human Bombs”

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Gaza – Ma’an – Four Palestinian armed groups have confirmed their readiness to retaliate for the Israeli threats to invade the Gaza Strip by forming a joint operations room to coordinate their action.

The ‘Homat Al-Aqsa’ (‘Al-Aqsa Protectors’); the ‘Al-Liwaa As-Saroukhi’ (‘Missiles brigade’); the Martyr Hassan Al-Madhoun brigade; and the ‘As-Sa’iqa Al-Wataniya’ (‘Homeland Strike Force’), who are all part of the Fatah-affiliated Al-Aqsa brigades, announced in a press conference the formation of a joint operation room in order to respond to the expected Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip in a coordinated and forceful fashion. They also declared a state of high and comprehensive alert in all areas.

Many female members of the Al-Aqsa brigades also declared in the press conference their readiness to die for the Palestinian cause. “We will be human bombs and we will explode in the face of the occupation,” they warned.

The various armed groups also warned Israel that their retaliation will be “harsh,” saying that they “will turn the Strip into a cemetery for the Israeli soldiers if they invade.” The factions also said that “there is no truce with the Israeli enemy who only knows the language of rifles.”

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Mainstream Caliphate Confessions a comment by Jerry Gordon

Andy Bostom author of ‘The Legacy of Islam’ and a forthcoming companion volume, ‘The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism’ has an interested ‘nugget’ of analysis he’s come up with from a survey of the Muslim world by a credible group and significant represenative sample. To wit:
‘Polling data just released (April 24, 2007) in a rigorously conducted face-to-face University of Maryland/ WorldPublicOpinion.org interview survey of 4384 Muslims conducted between December 9, 2006 and February 15, 2007—1000 Moroccans, 1000 Egyptians, 1243 Pakistanis, and 1141 Indonesians—reveal that 65.2% of those interviewed—almost 2/3, hardly a “fringe minority”—desired this outcome (i.e., “To unify all Islamic countries into a single Islamic state or Caliphate”), including 49% of “moderate” Indonesian Muslims. The internal validity of these data about the present longing for a Caliphate is strongly suggested by a concordant result: 65.5% of this Muslim sample approved the proposition “To require a strict [emphasis added] application of Shari’a law in every Islamic country.”


* What these survey data results that Bostom has analyzed tell us is that a clear majority of the Muslim ummah favor a caliphate and strict application of sharia law.

Tells me that ‘assumptions’ about moderate Muslims being in the majority of the ummah is a veritable misnomer. But then Muslim advocacy groups have bought into the Religion of Peace ‘branding’ to dissaude us with their soothing taqiyyah. They have even duped politicians at the highest levels in our government and a fair number of media pundits who believe that extremists are a ‘thin’ minority.
by Andrew Bostom, FrontPageMagazine.com, April 27, 2007
Writing in 1916, C. Snouck Hurgronje, the great Dutch Orientalist, underscored how the jihad doctrine of world conquest, and the re-creation of a supranational Islamic Caliphate remained a potent force among the Muslim masses:
…it would be a gross mistake to imagine that the idea of universal conquest may be considered as obliterated…the canonists and the vulgar still live in the illusion of the days of Islam’s greatness. The legists continue to ground their appreciation of every actual political condition on the law of the holy war, which war ought never be allowed to cease entirely until all mankind is reduced to the authority of Islam—the heathen by conversion, the adherents of acknowledged Scripture [i.e., Jews and Christians] by submission.
Hurgronje further noted that although the Muslim rank and file might acknowledge the improbability of that goal “at present” (circa 1916), they were,
…comforted and encouraged by the recollection of the lengthy period of humiliation that the Prophet himself had to suffer before Allah bestowed victory upon his arms…
Thus even at the nadir of Islam’s political power, during the World War I era final disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, Hurgronje observed how
…the common people are willingly taught by the canonists and feed their hope of better days upon the innumerable legends of the olden time and the equally innumerable apocalyptic prophecies about the future. The political blows that fall upon Islam make less impression…than the senseless stories about the power of the Sultan of Stambul [Istanbul], that would instantly be revealed if he were not surrounded by treacherous servants, and the fantastic tidings of the miracles that Allah works in the Holy Cities of Arabia which are inaccessible to the unfaithful. The conception of the Khalifate [Caliphate] still exercises a fascinating influence, regarded in the light of a central point of union against the unfaithful (i.e., non-Muslims). [emphasis added] CONTINUE

London: Islamists Demonstrate Against Al Muhajiroun Arrests

* Arresting Terrorists equals ‘OPPRESSION’ – these filthy kuffars must be bombed into submission, no other way:

The associates of the 6 arrested Al Muhajiroun members demonstrated today outside the Paddington Green Police Station, chanting “Hands off Muslims!” and “UK — You will pay!”

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About 100 Muslim men and women, some with scarves obscuring their faces, others waving placards and flags, walked from Regent’s Park Mosque to Paddington Green Police Station, where they believe outspoken Islamic militant Abu Izzadeen is being held with five others arrested Tuesday. …

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* The usual suspects: Anjem Chaudary and Co.

After the 7/7 bombings Blair promised to deport 500 Islamo-fascist clerics, one (Omar Bakri) left of his own free will and the other 499 are still there, doing what they do best: Spew hatred, plot against infidels and Jews and rort the welfare system while breeding like rats.

The protest began shortly after midday prayers at Regent’s Park Mosque, where Anjem Choudary, the former leader of the outlawed militant group al-Ghurabaa, addressed the crowd, demanding that they join him in protesting the detention of Izzadeen — a former spokesman for his group.

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“You are living under oppression, the government is terrorizing the Muslim community,” he told worshippers. “It’s about time you stand together.”

The crowd, escorted by police, made its way to Paddington Green, waving placards and shouting slogans. Abu Saliyah, one of the speakers, said the British government was at war with Islam.

“They bomb us, and occupy our land, and here they arrest at you early in the morning!” he said, to cries of “UK — You will pay!” and shouts of “Allahu Akbar! (God is Great)”

But he predicted the ultimate victory of Muslims over their enemies. “One day, my dear Muslims, the flag of Islam will fly over Downing Street!” he said, to renewed shouts of “Allah Akbar!”

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Also see:

Muslims Publicly Demonstrate Six Arrests as “Crusade”, Privately Support Terror

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Contrast this with the case of Brian Cork:

Bryan Cork shouted slurs including “proud to be British” and “go back to where you came from” outside Carlisle’s Brook Street mosque.

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Check out Al Bebeeceeras BS report, they’re already afraid of their own shadow;

The International Herald Tribune reports it without giving too much away..

Update:

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Muslims Stage Demo Outside Police Station

Islamic supporters of six Muslims arrested in London earlier this week today staged a rowdy demonstration outside the top security police station where they are being held.

Dozens of angry demonstrators branded Tony Blair a “terrorist” while carrying banners stating “Sharia Law – the future, free our Muslim brothers” and “Crusade against Islam”.

More than 100 Muslim men, women and children gathered outside Paddington Green Police Station in west London where the six suspected Islamic extremists – including firebrand Abu Izzadeen – are being detained on suspicion of inciting terrorism and raising funds for terrorism.

The group, dressed in traditional Muslim clothes including veils, chanted in Arabic: “God is the greatest! There is only one God, Allah, and Mohammed is the final messenger of Allah!”

Around a dozen uniformed police barricaded the demonstrators inside barriers to keep them away from the main entrance of the police station, but there were no arrests during the one hour demo.

Jamaican convert Izzadeen – real name Omar Brooks – achieved notoriety when he confronted Home Secretary John Reid during a visit to east London last year.

One of the demonstrators who gave his name Abu Farooq, aged in his late 20s, claimed to be the relative of one of the suspects being detained.

He refused to disclose the identity of his relative but said: “The reality is all we are doing is speaking out against this oppression by the British Government.

“We are here as families and relatives in support of those arrested to give a clear message to Tony Blair that we are not going to tolerate this oppression.

“We are angry and furious. Islamic values have been attacked, Islamic women have been attacked by the Government and there has been a policy of spying on the Islamic community.

* Holy smoke! We can’t have that now, can we?

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Kosovo/Bosnia Jihad pic

“They have raided and closed down Mosques. There have been more than 1,100 people arrested since the introduction of the terror laws after 9/11. We are not going to remain silent anymore.”

The organiser of the rally Sayful Islam, aged in his late 20s, said he was attending the rally because he was “very close” to Rajid Khan, who was arrested in Luton.

Mr Islam, who was born in Britain and also lived in Luton, said: “As Muslims we cannot remain silent when we see this oppression. This oppression is in the form of a war against Islam. We have to speak out.

“Thousands of Muslims have been arrested and there have only been a handful of charges.

“It is scaring the Muslim community from coming out and speaking about Islam.”

He would only be happy when Sharia law was introduced “all over the world”.

Mr Islam said: “We definitely want to see Sharia law in place here. We want to see it implemented for everyone. Only then will there be harmony and there will be peace and justice amongst mankind.”

* Unfortunately for Mr. Islam very few Brits would be happy under sharia…

Mother-of-three Umm Hediyah, who was a wearing a full hijab, said: “I am here because I heard on the TV that some of our brothers had been arrested.

“The thing is that nowadays everyone knows someone who has been arrested. The Muslim community feel like we are being oppressed. We feel like we are living in a police state.

* Muslims are always ‘oppressed’ as long as there is infidels implementing ‘man-made’ law, that can only be rectified by wacking these filthy kuffars into submission by terror, genocide and forcible conversion. Good Luck with that, Islam…

“It doesn’t matter whether you have a big beard or not. If you are Muslim and you speak out against British foreign policy you are labelled a fundamentalist or a terrorist.

“We believe that as Muslims Sharia is for everyone and it can actually help solve problems in the world today.

“We have a very good economic system that will deal with homelessness in this country. In Palestine, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peacefully for over 500 years under Shariah law.”

* Flying pigs alert, anyone?

* There was never a ‘sharia in Palestine’- (Palestine was long gone before Muhammed and long before Muslims invaded the holy land) and Jews and Christians somehow managed to survive under the Islamic yoke as Dhimmi’s, (subjugated people) in slave-like conditions. Worse than the Christians in Pakistan today. Worse than the Coptic Christians in Egypt. Worse than the last few Jews in Yemen.

Peaceful? Absurd.

Our records tell a different story.

Ahmed-in-jihad: ‘Enemies ‘plotting’ against new dress code

Islamic lunacy running amok on the streets of Tehran:

Sharia Alert, and more on this story: 150,000 detained so far. “Iran: Enemies ‘plotting’ against new dress code says Ahmadinejad,” with a link to Dhimmi Watch
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“These women who infest our streets by dressing like vulgar models must be considered criminals as they threaten the security and decensy [sic] of our youth.”

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Mortazavi stressed that “offending Islam’s sense of modesty is a crime to be [punished] with detention” under Iran’s criminal law.

Pabliuspundit has a video:

Here’s a translation of what the girl shouts and what the police say to her:

Girl (screaming): I am not coming. Let me go. You man! Dont touch me! Let me go! I dont want to go! I dont want to go! Police (to people): Do not gather! Go!

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Where are the Western feminists who always complain against alleged ‘discrimination’ in the very same societies that grant them full rights? Where are they when you need them? Ms.Nancy Pelosi, anything to say? Are you still planning to go shake hands with the Mullahs’ while women are being humiliated? Why dont the Western women take action to help their sisters in Iran?

But it’s not only the women who are being arrested, fined and “rebuked”, though they are the main victims. It’s the guys, too.

Why? Because they dare to defy the regime by dressing like their Western counterparts, with long hair and fashion hair style, other than listening to music or wearing shorts.

Read it and weep!

Rome, 27 April (AKI) – One week after police started enforcing strict new Islamic dress code rules, Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Friday that his opponents were manipulating the moralization campaign so as to create discontent. “Our enemies want a limited group of people, mostly youth, to hit the streets dressed in a vulgar manner to provoke police intervention and then use against our country the bad feelings of young people who have been mistreated by security officials,” said the president.
The country’s top police officer announced on Thursday that some 150,000 women ave been detained in Iran over the past week for violating strict new Islamic dress code rules.
“During the first four days [since the code came into effect] we have picked up 150,000 women who were not properly veiled, but many of them were released after they signed an admission of guilt and a formal apology,” General Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam said Thursday. An unspecified number of the women taken into custody were also forced to undergo psychological counseling, Moghaddam said.
“Only 13 of these women are still being held and they will have to stand trial,” he explained.
Some prominent politicians have criticised the government and the security forces for the way the matter has been handled.
Some papers in Tehran ran articles recalling how the president had promised not to meddle into the dress codes of young Iranians during the electoral campaign leading to his June 2005 presidential election.
“Young men dressed Western style and women not covered well by the veil are not a problem in a country with much more serious problems,” Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying at the time.
The moralization campaign was at the centre of most sermons at Friday prayers.
The leader of Tehran’s prayer on Friday, ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, praised the new rules saying that “in the past week the great majority of the population has felt more secure and protected by police. Anyone criticizing police will attract the ire of the population.”
The head prosecutor of Tehran, Saiid Mortazavi, the magistrate who banned dozens of papers and is suspected of a role in the murder of Canadian photographer Zahra Kazemi, during questioning said: “These women who infest our streets by dressing like vulgar models must be considered criminals as they threaten the security and decensy [sic] of our youth.”
Mortazavi stressed that “offending Islam’s sense of modesty is a crime to be [punished] with detention” under Iran’s criminal law.

Question to Ahmed-in jihad:

How would you handle this?

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Australia: Soccer Video Jihad

Richard Kerbaj- The Australian

Jihad hymn in youth group’s soccer video

A VIDEO posted on a hardline Islamic website to promote a soccer tournament in western Sydney has outraged Muslim leaders by featuring an Arabic song often used by al-Qa’ida to promote jihad.
The song calls on militants to “exterminate” non-believers and make them “hear the tunes of death”.

The video is used by the Global Islamic Youth Centre, headed by radical cleric Faiz Mohamad, who has praised jihadists and compared Jews to pigs. It plays the jihad tune, which also says “we shall go to heaven fearing no death”, to images of local and international soccer players displaying their skills.

Bomb explosions and missiles launching form part of the music in the clip promoting the Liverpool Youth Cup.

“With the swords we shall exterminate the infidels and death is the desire of the pure,” one translated verse says.

With jihad the banners of the evident victory shall rise high.

“We shall go to heaven fearing no death. We shall not waver … we are the cubs of the victorious conquerors.”

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Senior Muslim leader Ameer Ali attacked the seemingly “hidden agenda” of the video, which was pulled down by GIYC yesterday afternoon following The Weekend Australian’s inquiry.

“I’m worried and I am concerned there is a hidden message behind this soccer tournament (promotion),” said the former chairman of John Howard’s Muslim reference board.

* ‘A hidden message?’ Hahahaa! Killing infidels is hardly a ‘hidden message’- its all over the Koran and a commandment for every believing muslim…

“This sort of message should be avoided. Why bring controversy into a sports match? Sport promotes co-operation, friendliness – that’s what you expect from sport.”

* Right Ali, we don’t want to wake the sleeping infidel dogs up. We can do the jihad quietly by demographics, by simply outbreeding the infidels, right Ali?

Prominent Sydney-based cleric Khalil Shami also condemned the video, saying it was wrong to conflate sporting images and “fighting”.

He attacked the fundamentalist GIYC for further damaging the Muslim community’s standing in the eyes of mainstream Australia. “I don’t know how they are driving this community – they drive it in a very, very bad way,” said the imam at Penshurst mosque in Sydney’s southwest. “It’s not fair for the community. Why mix sport with the fighting? Why?”

GIYC’s president, Zunaid Moosa, yesterday told The Weekend Australian that he was unaware of what the song meant because he didn’t speak Arabic.

* Google ‘Zunaid Moosa’ and you’ll   instantly find that he is a soulmate of the notorious Feiz Mohammed who recently made headlines with ‘undercover mosque’ calling on young Muslims to wage violent jihad and called infidels and Jews ‘descendants of apes and swine’ …

Feiz Mohammed here: 

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He said Islamic songs were often chosen for video-clips based on their “catchy” tune, and denied having anything to do with the production of the clip.

“Often a lot of anasheed (Islamic vocal music) we got no idea (about) because we are not Arabic-speaking people,” he said.

“It would just be more of a tempo of the beat and a catchy type tune, that’s all.”

A list of sponsors on the soccer clip includes charity group Human Appeal International and Krispy Kreme Donuts.

A spokesman yesterday said HAI was not aware that GIYC had any political agendas when it agreed to sponsor the event.

But a spokeswoman for Krispy Kreme denied the organisation had sponsored the soccer tournament and said she would take the matter up with GIYC.

* Google ‘Ameer Ali’ and you’ll quickly find out that he is quite wrongly perceived as a ‘moderate’- A typical line:

Muslim leader Ameer Ali defined mujaheddin as “people who defend their country against injustices”, especially when praised in the context of places such as Iraq and the Palestinian territories ..”

Holland: Wilders Intimidated by Anti-Terrorism Authority

Anti-Terrorism Authority Denies It Intimidated Wilders, of course.

But the appeasers, the useful idiots and the sympathizers  with the Islamic jihad can be found at every level in our government, the police force and the judiciary.

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THE HAGUE, 28/04/07 – The Anti-terrorism National Coordinator (NCTb) denies that it tried to pressurise Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders to adopt a milder tone about Islam. The Lower House is unconvinced and wants clarification by Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin.

Wilders said on TV programme RTL Nieuws Thursday evening he had a three-hour meeting at the NCTb office two weeks ago. NCTb chief Tjibbe Joustra showed him “hundreds” of newspaper articles and TV pictures from the Arabic world with angry reactions to statements made by Wilders in February about the Koran and the Prophet Mohammed. The message was that the Netherlands could as a result of the PVV land up in a situation like that of Denmark after a Danish newspaper printed cartoons about Mohammed, Wilders averred.

Wilders stated that he did not at first feel intimidated by NCTb. “But when I requested the material after the interview, I was only sent untranslated documents in Persian and Arabic. Then I began to think that there was perhaps a double agenda.”

In February, Wilders said Muslims in the Netherlands should tear up half the Koran because the content was unacceptable. He also stated that Mohammed, if he lived in the Netherlands today, would have to be tarred and feathered and deported from the country as an extremist.

The House wants clarification from the government on the behaviour of the NCTb. It may have tried to gag a public representative, say several parties. Wilders himself did not wish to draw this conclusion, but “I do feel a bit intimidated.” A NCTb spokesman would only say “we reject any relationship that is laid with intimidation.”

Wilders commented that in the interview, Joustra immediately corrected a NCTb staff member who suggested that Wilders would be better to moderate his tone. Nonetheless, the message came over that Dutch people in the Middle East could be endangered by Wilders’ statements, as could exports of Dutch companies, according to the MP.

Centre-left D66 leader Alexander Pechtold terms the alleged action by the NCTb “not permissible.” He requested an unscheduled meeting of the strictly confidential Lower House committee for intelligence services, which consists of the party leaders. But other parties want a public debate. This will take place later, based on a letter from Hirsch Ballin expected in a few days.

The conservatives (VVD) also want clarification of statements Joustra made las week in agricultural journal Agrarisch Dagblad. He advised farmers to be alert for terrorists. VVD considers the NCTb caused unnecessary panic among farmers with this, in its view, wild claim.

NIS News Bulletin

 Muslim women glad Hirsi Ali quit

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* Who guessed it? Ayaan Hirsi Ali ripped them to shreds wherever she could. They didn’t have a leg to stand on. Their cheap taqiyya, their incessant lies and the Islamic BS propaganda doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. 

AMSTERDAM – For three years Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali galvanized Dutch society with a frank account of her traumatic past and her conviction that Islam is a violent, misogynous religion.

That conviction led to death threats, the murder of her associate, filmmaker Theo van Gogh and, her critics say, the alienation of precisely those she aimed to engage as relations between Muslims and non-Muslims deteriorated as never before.

Now almost a year since the former Dutch parliamentarian hit headlines worldwide for admitting she lied to gain asylum in the Netherlands, many of the Dutch-Muslim women Hirsi Ali sought to stir and inspire state bluntly they are relieved she is gone.

The 37-year-old now works for a U.S. think-tank, while her international profile as an ex-Muslim critic of Islam soars.

“I am glad that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is gone, because now the tone has softened, it has become less extreme and tensions have eased,” said Nermin Altintas, who runs an education centre for migrant women.

Hirsi Ali is held responsible by many in the Muslim community for “Islamising” the Netherlands’ migrants, polarizing communities and diverting attention from those trying to boost integration in what they see as a more constructive approach.

“Let her call one woman forward and show how she really helped her,” said Famile Arslan, a 35-year-old family lawyer.

“We worked for 10, 15, 20 years to help emancipate Muslim women… and she stole the respect we should have had as grass- roots movements working for change.”

* Really? Let Familie Arslan show us any of her successes  with ’emancipated Muslim women!

But Hirsi Ali’s former spokeswoman, Ingrid Pouw, who worked with her during her time in the Dutch parliament said she received many messages of support from Muslim women, who said they were too afraid to go public.

“She often had messages from women, sometimes with violent husbands, saying ‘please go on’,” Pouw said.

In the Netherlands, where the majority of the country’s 1 million Muslims are of Moroccan or Turkish background, some of Hirsi Ali’s pronouncements on Islam met astonishment.

“Her statements on Islam were very harsh. I have a completely different experience of Islam… as I come from a Turkish cultural background,” said Altintas.

Hirsi Ali caused uproar by calling Islam “backward,” and by branding the prophet Mohammad a paedophile and a tyrant. However, it was the film “Submission” she wrote for Dutch television which most provoked.

In the short film, an actress whose naked body is covered with a thin veil appeals to God about the violence she believes she must endure in his name, while in other scenes naked women cower with texts from the Koran inscribed on their bodies.

“If she wanted to campaign against violence against women then she shouldn’t have written the Koran text on the body, because that was offensive to many of the religious women she claimed she was trying to help,” said Altintas.

“Her methods were such that rather than attracting Muslim women she pushed them away… She polarized things,” said 19-year-old student Suzan Yucel from Eindhoven.

* Time for appeasement is over. Polarization is a good thing for those who kept their faculties intact.

The film’s director Theo van Gogh was gunned down on an Amsterdam street in 2004 by a Dutch-Moroccan, who stabbed a note to his body addressed to Hirsi Ali warning she would be next.

The Dutch watched in disbelief as their country, once prized as a liberal, multicultural model, slid into a mood of mutual hostility and tit-for-tat attacks on mosques and churches.

* BS. Churches are being attacked all the time.  Synagogues are under 24 hour surveillance. There are hardly any mosques that have been attacked.

“I was restricted by male macho culture, and my migrant background… but you cannot use Islam as an excuse,” said Arslan, whose parents from eastern Turkey were illiterate.

“I have a very positive experience of Islam.”

Yucel agreed that Hirsi Ali ascribes problems to Islam which have other, more complex roots.

“Islam is interpreted by people and in Turkey the interpretation is very different from Somalia… Culture and religion got mixed up with Hirsi Ali,” she said.

* More BS, more obfuscation, more lipstick on a pig…

Hirsi Ali arrived in the Netherlands from Kenya in 1992, unable to speak a word of Dutch and having fled an arranged marriage and abusive family who had her circumcised as a child.

She took odd jobs, studied Dutch, and began work as a translator for asylum seekers before studying political science and working as a political researcher.

In 2003 she entered parliament for the VVD (Liberals), while at the same time her graceful looks, soft voice and compelling vulnerability made her a media star.

Last year Hirsi Ali admitted to lying to win asylum in the Netherlands after it emerged that she had arrived in the country via Germany, but said her party knew of the deception.

The ensuing row saw the then immigration minister threaten to strip her of her Dutch citizenship, and a small party left the coalition in protest, bringing down the government.

After resigning as a Dutch parliamentarian in May 2006, Hirsi Ali stated: “I am going away, but the questions remain. The questions about the future of Islam in our country, the suppression of women in Islamic culture and the integration of the many Muslims in the West.”

Yucel, who with other young Muslims runs a website called “We are staying here” (www.wijblijvenhier.nl), says she and her cohorts are examining the same issues but, unlike Hirsi Ali, with a view to diffusing tension and staying.

The former politician has been the subject of lively debates on the site, with some bloggers saying she deserves respect for exposing phoney tolerance in the Netherlands, and daring to speak her mind despite the death threats.

But the dominant sentiment is relief that she has left the Dutch public arena.

While some are hopeful that a new centrist Dutch government with the country’s first Muslim ministers might usher in a more supportive climate, Yucel points out that anti-immigration politician Geert Wilders, who broke away from the VVD Liberals to found an independent party, made big gains.

Wilders, also subject to death threats, said recently Dutch Muslims must throw away half the Koran if they want to stay.

But Yucel says she is optimistic for the long-term, and proud to be a Dutch-Muslim who is free to wear a headscarf in places she would not be able to in Turkey.

* She should  have gotten her marching orders long ago. Why should Dutch tolerate agenda driven, bigotted Islamo-fascists  like her in the politics of their country?


“The Muslim community here will change… This is still a new environment and we have to get used to it.”

Reuters

172 ‘Militants’ Planning Attack on Oil Fields Arrested in Saudi Arabia

* Well, at least FOX News calls them ‘Islamic militants’– whereas the MSM elsewhere would call them ‘rebels/insurgents/youths’ etc.

As long as they don’t call them ‘freedom fighters’- (because ‘one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter’- dont’cha know?) But the last attempt at equivalence is just too absurd even for our far left agenda driven useful idiots, so you don’t see it that much any more.

But nobody seems to wonder how it is possible in a totalitarian desert Kingdom like Sowdi Arabia, where medieval clans rule by the whip and the sword and everyone knows everyone, where you have total regulation of all aspects of everyday life, a Taliban-state with undeserved wealth originating from a geographical accident, showered on them by gullible, unsuspecting western nations, how it is possible that large numbers of ‘insurgents’ can do military training, accumulate weapons and organize themselves in a way that would, if successful, disrupt the life-line of the desert kingdom: The giant petrol station and the flow of it to the much vilified and hated infidels…

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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia —

Saudi police arrested 172 Islamic militants who were on the verge of carrying out a series of terror attacks on oil facilities, military zones and public figures, the Interior Ministry said Friday. A spokesman said all that remained in the plot “was to set the zero hour.”
An Interior ministry statement said police seized weapons and more than 20 million riyals ($5.33 million) in cash, from seven armed cells.

“Some had been training on the use of weapons, and some were sent to other countries to study aviation in preparation to use them to carry out terrorist operations inside the kingdom,” the statement said.

U.S. officials characterized the plot as “extremely serious” and said a connection to senior Al Qaeda leadership — Usama bin Laden or Ayman Al-Zawahiri — had not been ruled out.

The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, noted that the plot was very similar to Sept. 11, by having militants train as pilots to use planes in the attacks and hitting several targets simultaneously.

“They had reached an advance stage of readiness and what remained only was to set the zero hour for their attacks,” Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Mansour al-Turki told the Associated Press in a phone call. “They had the personnel, the money, the arms. Almost all the elements for terror attacks were complete.”

Al-Turki told the privately owned Al-Arabiya TV channel that the militants included non-Saudis.

The militants also planned to storm Saudi prisons to free the inmates, the statement said.

“Certainly anytime the Saudis or anyone else takes action against those involed in terrorism it’s a good thing. It’s something that makes the world safer and makes America safer,” Tom Casey, a State Department spokesman, said in Washington.

The Saudi statement said some of the military targets were outside the kingdom. Al-Turki said the arrests occurred “at various and successive times” but did not elaborate.

The Saudi state TV channel Al-Ekhbariah broadcast footage of large weapons cache discovered buried in the desert. The arms included bricks of plastic explosives, ammunition cartridges, handguns and rifles wrapped in plastic sheeting.

The ministry referred to the militants only as a “deviant group” — the Saudi term for Islamic terrorist.

Al-Ekhbariah showed investigators breaking tiled floors with hammers to uncover pipes that contained weapons. In one scene, an official upends a plastic pipe and bullets and little packets of plastic explosives spill out.

The channel also showed investigators digging up plastic sacks in the desert.

Bin Laden has called for attacks on the kingdom’s oil facilities as a means of crippling both the kingdom’s economy and the hurting the West, which he accuses of paying too little for Arab oil.

FOX News’ Catherine Herridge contributed to this report.

* Read also: How a British Jihadi saw the light

In Sowdi Arabia that is…